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Jo_jo
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Post Number: 203
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 01:04 am: | 
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Charles Mirho is a patent attorney and freelance author. Prior to becoming a lawyer, Charles was a software programmer specializing in communications and multimedia. Charles has a JD from Santa Clara University and an MSEE from Rutgers. He has published two books and numerous fiction and nonfiction articles. |
Tony
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Post Number: 111
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 02:19 am: |
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Jo_jo
"Succinctly put, Tony. You’re a BELIEVER not a THINKER. Good luck with that."
Thats right Jo_jo, I'm a believer in scalar and not a thinker, like i said back there. What that means is that I didn't have the time to go reading right through ALL of Beardens lengthy and extremely technical books and material on Scalar to be able to THINK it out for myself if indeed it is true. I don't have the time for all that. Also if I did, it wouldn't help me much more to work it out for myself if its true, because all beardens extremely technical stuff goes right over my head. I don't have the brains or background to work all that out in my head. Thats why i mentioned that i partially relied on Dyson word that beardens stuff is true because his background is partially based in that area and he has read all of beardens books and material, and he also has an off the clock genius IQ of 163 to boot, which I'm sure would only help him to further to make sense of all that extremely technical stuff too that i surely can't. (sorry to bring that up dyson coz i know u don't like people mentioning that about you, but i felt it was worth mentioning in context of this talk)
Thats why i could only be a believer in (beardens) scalar as you put it and not a thinker because it goes over my head.
Jo-jo if you read ALL of beardens books and material on EM-scalar, could YOU be able to make sense of it all and therefore be able to THINK it all out for yourself to see if indeed any of what Bearden talks about is true? I think no way.
Also my belief in scalar didn't just come from them two sources but also from when i look up to the sky or at photos of sky and see something very very bizzare.
By the way Mr THINKER , you still haven't answered the question I asked you months ago in this section about what you think CAUSED all those bizzare and totally unnatural cloud striations and formations as well as bizzare radar weather map too which are on this page?
http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv8p447-8.htm
Three months have gone by now. Have you finished THINKING about it yet, Mr THINKER?
What caused them if it wasn't EM-scalar instruments? |
Vestri
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 04:34 am: |
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Hi Peter, no i mean that IF World War 3 happens that that is whats going to happen to the USA which then shows and then really proves how powerful and all conquering the USA truly is as everyone thinks it is, that it ends up suffering 'total destruction' the worst fate of all, the same fate as its allie Israel. They were the only two countries the HP mentioned that would happen too. Whatever happened to MAD (nuclear ICBM - mutually assured destruction) to any country that did that to the USA? If the USA was truly all that powerful and all conquering, then shouldn't whatever country or countries did that to the USA should have surely suffered the same fate as what the USA got from them? So much for MAD. Maybe what that video mentioned about russia having scalar defensive capability of being able to render any incoming nuclear ICBM's useless (duds) is true? The HP only adds more truth to russias supposed scalar weapons is what I think, that is of course if world war 3 happens and if it doesn't, then we would probably never have known. That is what i meant. I never said that I believe that world war 3 is going to happen. |
Tony
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Post Number: 112
Registered: 01-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 05:57 am: |
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By the way Jo_jo, you call me a BELIEVER not a THINKER. What do you call this that you are doing here then -
Jo_jo: The so-called “scalar field theory” is classified by wikipedia as a pseudoscience. Here are a few extracts. The link is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalar_field_theory_(pseudoscience) Their existence however, as presupposed in numerous pseudoscientific theories, has not been supported by any reputable experiment.
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/6223.html#POST21392
You BELIEVE what wikipedia says is the truth about something (secret?) like Scalar. What does wikipedia say about Extraterrestials? Doing a search on Wikipedia under Extraterrestials this is the first paragraph that came up -
Wikipedia
"Extraterrestrial life is life that may exist and originate outside the planet Earth, the only place in the universe currently known by humans to support life. Its existence is currently hypothetical; there is yet no evidence of extraterrestrial life that has been widely accepted by the scientific community."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Extraterrestial
Jo_jo, do you BELIEVE what Wikipedia says about extraterrestials too like you BELIEVE what it says about scalar?
Sounds a bit hypocritical don't you think what you said to me?
*"Succinctly put, Tony. You’re a BELIEVER not a THINKER. Good luck with that."
You too. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 981
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, November 23, 2006 - 08:31 am: |
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Please let's get back to the topic |
Mgilbo1
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Post Number: 49
Registered: 09-2002
| | Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 07:38 am: |
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"If the USA was truly all that powerful and all conquering, then shouldn't whatever country or countries did that to the USA should have surely suffered the same fate as what the USA got from them?"
My guess is the USA will suffer great distruction from internally first. Immigration is a huge problem and I see it getting worse and worse as the politicians do less and less. The American people are sick of legal and illegal immigrants coming here and changing the communities and DEMANDING that we change.
My guess is before WW3 happens (if it happens), great destruction will happen from within first if our politicians and people don't wake up. A big movement among small communities in the US is already happening to curve illegals in their communities.
Mark Gilbo
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Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 228
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 05:04 pm: |
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hello jo jo,
thank you for the advice. i was just wondering wether the quotes i quoted of vestri were accurate, or just a matter of spelling words in a way other than was really intended... which seemed to be the case.
i have had no problems with vestri, but thank you for the suggestion 
the other day a lebanese government official was killed, i thought that might have been valid possibility to the 4 heads of state dying. i am relieved though, because it doesn'nt seem like it is.
does anybody know when the pope is supposed to go to the middle east for his visit? |
Jo_jo
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Post Number: 213
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 24, 2006 - 10:16 pm: |
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Hello Peter,
I recently read that Muslim clerics called for the Pope to declare Islam a peaceful religion but don’t know of his travel plans. Bush will be traveling to Jordan next week to meet with the Iraqi PM, Cheney is in Saudi Arabia meeting with the King, and later Rice will be meeting key Arab players in Jordan. Here’s something that might be on topic but isn’t revealing.
Posted on Monday, November 03, 2003 - 04:36 am:
Greetings Billy!
The prophecies state that two years prior to the start of WWIII, four heads of state will die within seven days of one another. These deaths are said to be a danger sign of the upcoming war. Could they also be said to be a cause?
Thank you!
Answer
We don't give precise information about this issue/topic.
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Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 230
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2006 - 10:52 am: |
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jo jo,
i was asking because i remember seeing on the news not too long ago that the pope was going to go to either turkey or one of the muslim countires in the middle east... and the citizens there were saying that (aswell as some government officials) he should not come because he may get killed. so if he does go, i dont see what would stop the would be/could be assassins from doing him in.
wether that would add anything toward a possible world war three i dont know, but it coul, i would think.
well, atleast if it did happen, i would have a year or two to prepare.
about the answer... that's why i try not to rely on figu and the plejarens for the facts about what's going on in the world. they give lots of info on the spirit and things of that nature, but when it comes to the facts about all the wonderful mysteries on earth, they dont say nothing, theonly way seems to be to get up and go out into the forest if you want to find a sasquatch or some hidden civilization still in existance.
moderator, sorry for getting a little off topic at the end. |
Melli
Member
Post Number: 191
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 07:00 pm: |
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Excuse me if this question is not in the right thread but I am abit confused: In the thread of Forum Announcements Nov. 26- 06, Scott mentioned the threat of WW 3 and its elimination as answered by Billy, my question being where is the question and answer from Billy that you have transfered to the thread I mentioned above? it is not in the current section of answered questions from Billy dated Oct. 06. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 986
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 08:34 pm: |
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Melli,
The question and answer is in the Oct 30 archive in the Questions to Billy section, it is the third question up from the bottom. I mentioned this because I thought people would miss this answer from Billy concerning the recent elections in the US.
Scott |
Jo_jo
Member
Post Number: 214
Registered: 04-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, November 26, 2006 - 08:50 pm: |
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Peter,
Yes, you are completely right:
Thousands of Muslims urge Pope not to visit Turkey
ISTANBUL (Reuters) - More than 20,000 Muslims in Istanbul on Sunday held the biggest protest so far against Pope Benedict's controversial visit to Turkey this week.
The Pope, due to begin his first official visit to a Muslim country on Tuesday, angered many Muslims in September with a speech they took as an insult to their religion.
http://today.reuters.com/news/articlenews.aspx?type=newsOne&storyID=2006-11-26T224207Z_01_L26790586_RTRUKOC_0_US-POPE-TURKEY.xml&WTmodLoc=Home-C2-TopNews-newsOne-5 |
Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 376
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 09:32 am: |
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" ... when it comes to the facts about all the wonderful mysteries on earth, they dont say nothing,..."
????????? |
Hector
Member
Post Number: 146
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 10:42 am: |
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Peter, sometimes the plejaren give us the big picture about some topic/issue, and sometimes they offer only some hints.After all, in their directives, which they copy/take from creation`s law and commandments, it must be written that they shall not disclose secrets that the earth human shall discover for himself, in order to leave those necessary steps to be done by earth human, so he has the freedom and determination to evolve without major external influence.In this case help and non-interference are different things.
We know they failed in terms of Ufology and contactee tracking.The rest remains true, in theory.
Of course it is advised that anybody seeks external sources to confront/check the plejaren truth with other sources, otherwise as someone said before, one is not thinking, but believing.
Sorry moderator for being off-topic.Cheers |
Peter_brodowski
Member
Post Number: 231
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 01:06 pm: |
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"?????????"
are you trying to communicate with me or something here?
check my latest question to billy for example.
for instance any questions relating to any specifics about the people of agartha (is that how it's spelled?).... many things are mentioned but not really in very much detail, big foot for example. we know there's 7 of them and they are crosses of various life forms. or any other strange creatures not known to the "mainstream" society.
we're told the whole history of the aryans and the hyperboreans, and we are told what the hyperboreans look like, but yet billy doesnt know the answer to my question.
still confused? let me know |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 233
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 06:52 pm: |
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hello hector, yes i am aware of what you have brought up. the plejarens do things their way and they have their own reasons.
i'll just leave that at that so we dont get too off topic |
Vestri
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 27, 2006 - 07:15 pm: |
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Mgilbo1 wrote:
"My guess is before WW3 happens (if it happens), great destruction will happen from within first if our politicians and people don't wake up."
"Well first I hope this doesn't happen but I also agree that the USA will get its butt kicked if a war is started. But remember, it will take the whole world to kick it."
Hi Mark, America is a BIG country and i don't see how the american citizen people alone could cause 'great destruction' to all of their country. I think the "total destruction" to america mentioned in the HP will come from outside america.
I disagree, it will not take the whole world to kick america's butt, Russia alone could do it ten times over. The other point is that i can't see any NON nuclear countries wanting to go to war with the USA. They aren't stupid and will know that the USA could easily bomb them ALL out of existence in a moments flash with its nuclear missles. The only country in the world that would or could go to war with the USA is Russia, and we know from the HP that Russia is quite prepared to do so or will if the USA steps over the line. Thats where i think the "total destruction" to the USA will come from because the HP said that Russia and USA will go to war against each other in World War 3 if it happens. And whatever happened MAD because the HP never mentioned a thing about any level of destruction that Russia would sustain in WW3? This is what i meant before when i said that the HP seem to add truth to Russia supposedly having Scalar defensive weapons capable of rendering any or all incoming nuclear ICBM useless (duds) as mentioned in that Scalar video.
The only thing that I disagree with Billy about, is when he said that Nikola Tesla was a "normal" scientist. I think he is clearly wrong on this because the definition of a "normal" scientist clearly does not fit in with Tesla. Anyone that has done any sufficent ammount of research on Tesla and his inventions knows this.
I highly recommend people here watch this video called "Bearden on Tesla". Its great and is why it has a super high 5 star voting rating on google video.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6044955461813547423&q=Tom+Bearden
It goes through and mentions how Tesla was decades ahead of his time on most of his inventions and some even centuries. It shows how modern day quantum pyshics are today now vindicating Tesla on some of his theories he proposed over a century ago. The video is mostly talking about Tesla's EM scalar weapons. Before Tesla died he said he had perfected some of his scalar weapons. And we know that Russia was the only country in the world at that time that took over tesla's work and spent the equivelent of 7 manhantan projects on researching and developing Tesla's Scalar work. To think that Russia never got any further on Scalar weapons from where Tesla left off after spending that obscene amount of money is nonsense. It is a great video and Bearden himself said that he knows over 200 things/events that happened that squarely prove that Russia has advanced Scalar weapons. He said "i could be wrong on a few of them, but on all 200 of them? I don't think so!" I highly recommend that any people here who doubt Russia's possesion of scalar weapons to watch it, or even anyone here that would like to know more about Tesla's Scalar work to watch that video too.
Tesla was one of the only few people in the world that could do calculus in his head. Tesla was not a "normal" scientist. His inventions and theories which were mostly all decades ahead of his time prove that Billy was wrong in labelling Tesla as a "normal" scientist. I think Billy hasn't fully researched Tesla's work is why he once said that.
Perhaps this is part of the reason why Billy didn't really know the answer to this question that was asked of him recently.
Hi Billy,
does Russia have Scalar (electron) weapons capable of starting fires in other countries?
Answer
As far as Billy knows neither Russia nor the USA have such weapons, but they are developing them. HAARP is one of the related projects. |
Pudd
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Post Number: 63
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 11:09 am: |
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Hello friends,,,
I still don't see how 3years will now go by without the big(world)fire.
Bush still churping the same rhetoric.Can the Henoch or Billy or even Ptaah see exacty when the 3ww will occur.
It will be creation and the power of cause&effect that will decide.
Billy said that israel could attack Iran and so this to me would trigger the world blaze.
Love Pudd |
Jakes
Member
Post Number: 25
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 07:22 pm: |
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Hello Vestri,
Just a simple question. If mainstream science & technology doesn’t show evidence of scalar weapons, and Billy Meier doesn’t have knowledge of scalar weapons, what reasons do you have for them to exist? You yourself say Russia can destroy the US ten times over with their nuclear capability. Do you really think that country had the money to invest in a project 7X bigger than the Manhattan Project? (Manhattan Project cost $2 Billion US dollars in 1945 which is approximately $40 Billion US dollars today. 7X $40 Billion US dollars = $280 Billion US dollars.) They could barely feed themselves back in the 90’s. Why waste limited resources when you already have an arsenal of overkill weapons? It doesn’t seem to add up.
By the way, I think Russia will be able to “survive” a nuclear war better than the US due to their extensive nuclear fallout shelters, not due to a star-wars defense system, which the US tried under Reagan, and which I believe failed to come to fruition. HAARP, however, does provide defensive shield capabilities. |
Melli
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Post Number: 193
Registered: 06-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 08:18 pm: |
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Speaking of Tesla... I highly recommend people go to see the movie called "The Prestige".
About Scalar weapons, Dr. Nick Begich (son an Alaskan Politician) wrote a few most interesting books about Haarp and its associated technologies.
Haarp is based in Alaska, designed to manipulate the ionosphere, a layer which begins about 30 miles above earth.... fascinating and yet scary when I thing that one day I will be born again into this even more cruel society than Iam in now.
Currently I am reading his book titled "Earth Rising the Revolution, toward a thousand years of Peace".
For anyone interested his website is www.earthpulse.com
Cheer up you say ....???? I will try ~!~!~!~ |
Mgilbo1
Member
Post Number: 50
Registered: 09-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 28, 2006 - 09:15 pm: |
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Hi Vestri,
I agree Russia can cause great damage to America but it has also been stated that America will break apart due to Sectarianism. If anyone remembers the LA riots, there was tremendous damage done to that city in a matter of days. Imagine a riot nationwide among different races and belief systems, fueled by the CIA and other secret agencies. Also remember America is supposed to suffer great natural disasters as well in addition to New Orleans. This also could add to the problems.
""because the HP never mentioned a thing about any level of destruction that Russia would sustain in WW3?""
I don't think they had to. They said the Northern Hemisphere will be completely unliveable. I think that says enough about both countries.
I also agree with Billy about Tesla. He was an experimentalist not really a scientist. He basically used trial and error on his work.
"It goes through and mentions how Tesla was decades ahead of his time on most of his inventions and some even centuries""
Please make sure you understand the difference between what was actually working for tesla and what he theorized. There are book authors alone 500 years ahead of science today but that doesn't make them a great scientist. It makes them great writers with vivid imagination, not scientists. I think tesla had a great imagination but he was no where near an Einstein.
""And we know that Russia was the only country in the world at that time that took over tesla's work and spent the equivelent of 7 manhantan projects on researching and developing Tesla's Scalar work.""
I don't agree and know for a fact this is not correct. There is a lot of America's scientific history that Bearden has no clue about. Most of the scientists that did the work are not in the public eye and never will be known until many years into the future.
Mark Gilbo
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Jakes
Member
Post Number: 26
Registered: 10-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 11:31 am: |
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Hi Melli,
Is HAARP classified as a scalar weapon? I thought it was an EM transmitter.
Aerial view of the HAARP site, looking towards Mt. Sanford, in the Wrangell-St. Elias National Park |
Kiril
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Post Number: 155
Registered: 12-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2006 - 07:08 pm: |
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Melli,
when you put it this way:
"I thing that one day I will be born again into this even more cruel society than Iam in now."
I don't think there is anything to cheer up about, since what you say doesn't make any sence. Societies don't have feelings or personality traits - only individuals do. Therefore there is no such thing as a cruel society only cruel and idiotic men and women, or individuals. I'm quite sure that if you trace the development of HARRP you will find that less then ten men had their hand in deciding and developing the project.
What I intend by this post is to point out that we formulate actions with ideas/concepts - if those ideas are not accurate(and their usage) nor will be our actions.(Hence Mr.Meier advocates that we learn to read/write/speak properly before we think of changing the world[or any other matter, I suggest.])
The key to the future is as simple(sic) as that - since from these abilities follow the objective view of reality -> from this emerges psychological(the gaining of self-esteem/efficacy) and physical health -> And from this emerges not only the correction of old ideas but new advancements, new ways of thinking and doing -> and since this is the proper state(a state of certainty or exploration and experimentation with nature to the same end) of man, evidenced by the pleasure he receives from such a state of mind and body, the cycle will continue without-abate.
("Oh how I love to remind my self of this fact")
Kiril |
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