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    Rarena Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Norm, First let me tell you that in this document is total respect for your intelligence and wisdom on most issues... Understand your frustration with Ptaah... It may however, be unwarrented. It may be you're angry at the wrong person. GW Bush being a politician, oil man, chief negotiatior, by the very nature of the position, is a liar. Right? Diplomacy being a form of lying... Ptaah, on the other hand speaks from thousands of years of advanced intellegent experience... Not to mention his age... Who do you think would be more prudent for you to trust with the truth? Ptaah is non-finacially motivated nor is he suffering from Messianic, Narcissistic, Megalomania. Look at his offspring... Semjase... hasn't everything she told us made good sense? The borders are lines of thought as well as boundries between countries. The thought is... you put in your time, pay your taxes and self sustain the economy you live in by obeying certain laws of performance and attitude which create sustainability. By not allowing folks to come in illegally they are forced to go by the rules of the country they are entering. By not applying the rules of the country... they are deteriorating the basic structure of economic sustainablility they so enjoy. It becomes like the country they come from full of dishonesty, corruption and extreme ignorance. Norm, would you want a fanatical muslim terrorist whos religious philosophy is glorified by killing you... to be your next door neighbor. No. The Koran states with every line: In his great mercifulness... I kill you? What is merciful about killing someone? These people do not understand their own document they supposedly live by, why should they be allowed to enter a country whos laws they disregard? We have to bring everyone up to a higher more advanced consciousness level of compassion and understanding, go the course of correct mental, spiritual evolution to learn the ways of a way, a country or Creation before entering it's sacred doors or boundries. We have to educate these folks about the laws of the country they enter before allowing them to run total anarchcy like the third world, in a country that is finacially secure and sustainable. Norm, am in total agreement with you in that we have to eliminate the borders of the world and live as one. It takes thought and education first. Am in disagreement with the method. If we don't make it necessary for the folks who want to become part of a country, any country, to learn and respect the laws and guidelines of a country, which make it great, then they should not be allowed to enter until they do so. Much love to you... Randy Arena ô¿ô | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1064 Registered: 02-2000 |
Edward, I agree with you but in the context of the future. It can't be like that until the population is lowered to the point where it won't matter where anyone lives. Right now millions of people migrating to another country just does not work. Even African countries secure their borders because the excess migration disrupts their fragile societies. I really should not have to explain this to anyone familiar with Meier's teachings. My Website | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 707 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norm... I can understand how you feel. Would be best to forward your opinions and thoughts to Billy on the next Question Round, to him, I would think? Maybe Billy can fill in a much clearer detailed explanation, in what Ptaah means? Edward. | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 10-2006 |
Hello Memo00, Firstly, you have every right to disagree with my opinion; however, you don’t need to tell me to think or how to think. I’m quite capable of doing that on my own. It is ignorant and disrespectful to suggest to anyone that they haven’t thought things out. Short of writing a book, you will never know the complexity of a person’s thoughts from a short forum posting. Secondly, I am totally against capital punishment and glad to see you are too. However, self-defense on a personal level is not only justifiable but recommended. Why not for a country? Is America ever justified in using lethal force against illegals over-running the country if all else fails? Now, obviously, all avenues to stem this problem haven’t been exhausted, but sometimes people have to see the extreme extension of a problem before they seriously pursue the less-extreme solutions. And just as well, those people that abandon their country for economic reasons and the leaders that allow it are incredibly stupid and on a fast spiral towards the bottom. Best regards. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 216 Registered: 04-2003 |
Look at his offspring... Semjase... hasn't everything she told us made good sense? Rarena, I wonder about that. Being that Semjase (and the other Plejarans for that matter) didn’t understand that we terrestrials commonly act in a manner that belies our word, she undoubtedly got a lot of things wrong when it came to commenting on man’s behavior. I have a question in the queue for Billy (albeit a poorly worded question) asking for clarification on the matter. Norm, it seems your questioning of the sources for Billy and Ptaah’s information has opened a pandora’s box. If they’re just sitting around together drinking coffee, reading the newspaper and watching CNN, that’ll really devalue their information. I think for a lot of people, the shine's about to come off the apple. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 277 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi again Jakes aaaaa yes i´m not here to tell you what to think, still there are things that apply to all for all times and that aren´t subject to your or my opinion (not that you should believe in anything, i just tried to explain) maybe when someone you love very much (or you) is close to death you will understand what i mean to kill is not the solution one can put any excuse and make up things still in the bottom the truth is the same to kill someone in self defense applies only when your life is in danger, i don´t see where´s the self defense in killing an illegal immigrant, could you please tell me? contrary to what you think, one can know much about a person just by "listening" a little (not that you judge a person as "bad or good" but that one can see mistakes in things that like math problems don´t depend on one´s opinion), as i see it most of this "complexity" you speak about is just a mask and an armor to appear to be someone you aren´t and to protect oneself from the truth (avoid admitting an error, avoid admitting one´s ignorance in something, etc) | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 253 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey jo_jo, not that i doubt or disagree with you, but because i am curious, can you list to me the things semjase was wrong about (like what she said) about man? i agree about th eapple thing you mention. it seems like some people noticed some things and started inquiring about them and it's revealed interesting findings. i think an "update" from the plejarens on some of the past statements and materials would be a good idea. then again who knows what the had planned all along. one big puzzle, like climbing a mountain that also seems to be a labrynth. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1065 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hey they admit they are wrong sometimes. I am under the impression we are at times getting the Table Talk which is nothing but opinions, which we don't want when most of us go by everything they say as if its gospel. There seems to be Billy's mission notes, and then we get the Table Talk. Maybe we need to take that into consideration when we read this material. I know from my years of research where Bush stands on the Border problem. He wants to leave them open for his corporate friends. The Fence crap was an act because he's been getting bad press from CNNs Lou Dobbs over the issue & the middle class is sick of footing the bill for these Aliens. The poor in my country are clueless they just follow the demagogues that tell them how to think. Illegal Immigration hurts poor Blacks the most in the USA . Yet their Black leaders like Jesse Jackson's & Al Sharpton are telling them its good for them that low skilled workers from around the world are flooding the market, its insane! The more low skilled workers there are the quicker the wages drop! Its not Rocket Science! These corporate fat cats would rather pay illegal aliens who they will not have to pay high wages to or carry insurance for, it's the taxpayer that gets the bill when an illegal alien gets hurt at the job. Because the illegal alien gets dropped off at the hospital where they receive free medical care in the emergency room. While the boss drives to the area where the immigrants hang out and just hires himself another one. So it makes financial sense to hire an illegal alien rather than a legal citizen. The old trick was in the 1990s with the North American Free Trade Agreement, where they moved the Assembly Plant to Mexico and then only pay low wages in Mexico. But see it's easier now to just let all the low-wage immigrant labor flood the country and then you don't have to move your business to Mexico. My Website | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1066 Registered: 02-2000 |
"Political Powers Ignore Immigration Invasion" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiDCcB59cf0&mode=related&search= Look around Youtube & see the illegal immigration video clips I posted on Youtube. My Website | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1067 Registered: 02-2000 |
Bush signs fence bill, now will it be funded? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwHKg1B0rkI&mode=related&search= My Website | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 10-2006 |
Memo00, Deterrence does not work in crimes of passion, with the drug-addled, or the mentally disturbed. But it obviously works for the more sentient among us, otherwise man would not have survived to this point. It just follows the laws of cause and effect. I certainly wouldn’t think of entering Canada or Mexico illegally if faced with the prospect of a bullet nor would I drive a speeding white Toyota towards a check-point in Baghdad. Since you claim the truth on your side, what is your stance on illegal immigration? If you are against it, what do you propose as a solution? And remember, the population explosion (7.5 billion and counting) is not going away overnight. That is utopia thinking. Overpopulation is the world’s# 1 problem and the wave of illegal immigration is its greatest symptom. By the way, I never claimed to kill is THE solution, but it may be the final resort if all else fails, such as will happen if WWIII arrives and a person will be killed for stealing as little as a single piece of bread. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 217 Registered: 04-2003 |
Hi Peter, I was alluding to a series of questions I had with Billy about a part of the contact notes that indicated political leaders were being killed as a result of impulse contacts they, or the people around them, received. Billy said, no, there are no impulse contacts by ET’s to change the behavior or the actions of persons, be it political leaders or common people. Christian went on to say that during the earlier years of the contacts, they (Asket/Plejarans) had to learn that the human beings on Earth are capable to act contrary to one’s thinking. Consequently, my thinking is that much of the analysis/commentary by Semjase about man’s behavior is likely to be wrong. The posts in question can be found here: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6609.html#POST22534 http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6760.html#POST23557 http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/1871.html#POST24086 | ||
James Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 07-2005 |
Eduard I highly doubt letting all humans roam freely like this will be helpful at this stage. Each region has a finite amount of resources (jobs, food, land, etc.) allocated that must suffice for it's native inhabitants. Welcome to Earth! | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 278 Registered: 03-2004 |
Jakes maybe you aren´t aware but hundreds have been already shot thousands have died in the desert, drown in the river, suffocated inside trailer´s boxes, killed by bandits, etc and that doesn´t stop them my interest was in explaining you about murder, anyway if you ask my opinion, i think that without an strict control of the population things will not change, the fence would only increase the hate, the murder, the torture, the rape, etc. but people will keep going unfortunately people doesn´t value very much their life, and think only in material things, and not only here but around the world for example in Cuba, they have free education, free medical attention, maybe they don´t have the most varied diet but they aren´t starving, everyone has a house and clothes to dress,etc but if you go there you find beautiful girls prostituting for whatever they don´t have there . . . also it must be said that: just like the problem with drugs (tons and tons of narcotics are taken there because there are persons who consume them), people will continue to go to the USA as long as there are persons giving them job in resume i would say that: 1-there must be a strict birth control 2-there must be a strict control of the border (without hate, without murder, torture, etc / persons who instigate hate must be severely punished) 3-people on both sides must be educated, one´s not to search for illegal workers (the government must be stricter), and others not to abandon their families and fellowmen for money (Ptaah calls them traitors and cowards) 4-both sides must be educated about the value of human life, about struggle and about facing adversity if things don´t change is because both governments don´t do anything to change it, here they treat illegal workers almost like heroes ´cause they send millions and millions of dollars, and there supposedly they don´t want them but at the same time give them job and their economy depends much on them. . . i think that both governments just pretend but in reality don´t do all they could, like with drugs, there is simply too much corruption. . . Billy says that the only way to end crime around the world is with a World Police that would fight and dismember all mafias around the globe and would bring real peace and order, but with the members of the government and police being criminals themselves it doesn´t seem like this will happen soon. . . | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 254 Registered: 01-2004 |
thanks jo_jo. if someone lives in a country, should'nt it be their responsibility as it's citizens to stick around and try to find a solution, rather than fleeing and causing the same problem in another country? | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 708 Registered: 05-2002 |
Positive and Negative Molecules - Out Of Balance: Due To Their Own Abundance!(Overpopulation On Earth) There is a molecular particle structure combination of the Positive and the Negative (which I can not recall the names at the moment), in which, they both function as a 'pare' to process within their existence: as usually is the case within Creation. They both are just a Spark or Dot, if you will, within the body/entity they function in, so to speak. They are just a 'segment', of a totality of billions within billions, within that body/entity. When there is an Abundance of the two(+/-), and exceed their limitations: by Natural Laws of Nature, a Third Party, if you will, will be generated. This Third Party Molecule is a 'Variation' combination...of both the Positive and the Negative. This 'duo' is a 'Temporary' molecular structure which is created to, Temporally exist to 'Neutralize' the abundance of the Positive and the Negative molecules. So that, the Positive and the Negative molecules do not reproduce any of their own kind, for a time being. So, instead of them producing their common Positives and Negatives, that...Third Party variation will appear. That Third Party variation will exist until, the already existing Abundance Positives and Negatives have done their work, so to speak, and thus: dissolves, (by Natural processing) so that the 'Balance' is regained once again; and last but not least: even that Third Party will dissolve in time, because there is no further use for their existence, anymore. And thus, now...the Natural processing of The Negative and Positive Molecules can regain their original tasks of existing as well as their functioning(s). And thus, it holds True: that Overproducing, which generates Unbalance....will...by Natural Laws of Nature(Creation), - Balance - itself back into it's: Original Stated Of Being. So, as you can notice: the above mention's processing, is quite familiar as that of the Male(+) and Female(-), and the Homosexual(+/-) Variation... processing: due to Creation not being able to function correctly; Caused by the Overpopulation on Earth, and other Chaos and Unbalanced like events, and other (personal) actions by humans beings, which 'Obstruct' Creation (and Earth) to further function correctly, as Creation/Earth should. In the Spiritual Teachings, it was mentioned that certain components within Creation, or even within our Earthly boundaries, can not function Normal and properly anymore, due to the above mentioned. If the population on Earth were the +/- 500.000 million that Earth can sustain: the above mentioned Natural processing would be Obsolete. But as long as we are Overpopulated, the above mention will manifest ifself, through Natural Creational Laws. And as the above mentioned - Positive and Negative Molecules - example explains. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 709 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi James.... I understand what you mean, BUT... that is not what I am referring to! We should help those in need of course, at the 'Source', so that they will not flee...over to another country's border and enter. I think that the Plejarans have given us endless of very good and healthy ways to execute this, but, alas...MAN just throws it all against the wind, so to speak. If Man follows up with what the Plejarans have mentioned, all our countries would not be in the predicament we are in, now. So, the ways and possibilities that the Plejarans have mentioned, CAN STILL...be executed, before it truly gets MORE ....out of hand. But it seems, that world leaders would rather have it their 'ill' way, and fence themselves in. And this is truly NOT....what the Plejarans wish for all mankind on Earth. So, I can relate with Ptaah's view. Because his view is the mentioned above! Edward. | ||
Mgilbo1 Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 09-2002 |
All immigration needs to be stopped, not just illegal. They ALL must be forced to change their own countries and deal with their over reproduction issues. Striving for better financial stability is not an excuse to leave your country for another and feed off the system of existing habitants. The biggest problem with Mexico is their religious beliefs that keep them enslaved to the catholic church. If America is crumbling as a society due to immigration, its their right to stop the immigrants in any humane way they know how. But please remember, many immigrants coming into America are of criminal nature and sometimes the only way to deal with them is brute force. Any criminal act of any kind from a non citizen should not be tolerated and should lead to immediate exportation of that person. No buts.. Mark Gilbo | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 136 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hello Jo_jo, The reason for wars is overpopulation. Right and wrong as you like to classify things are only different sides of the same yardstick so to speak, two sides of the same coin. Example Tell me, when you turn off the electricity in your home, is there "negative electricity" running through the wires? NO there is NO electricity running through the wires. This "belief" in the "evil negative" is the gothic or downside of organized religion. Hate is love going in the wrong direction using your classification system. It is really a lack of love. Earth man likes to label things. You cannot demonize vanilla just because you like chocolate. Semjase makes sense. Because she was nieve about Earth man lying and not performing what is in his/her mind... This is a totally foreign concept to the Plejarens... and some people from the Dal universe as well. They oppose all forms of deceit and prejudice. They have not had a war in over 50,000 years! Who is better to learn from? 1.) The guy who is causing wars by lying or concealing the truth... with various financial ulterior motives... or 2.) the lady who comes from a group of people that has not had a war for 50,000 years? They are in touch with 49,000 races of 239 different skin colors and they ALL get along... This is done via the truth. Much love to you... Randy ô¿ô | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 10-2005 |
The reference to oneness, unity and NOT practicing deulism as spoken of in the example part of the previous article in this forum can be found on line 65 of http://www.gaiaguys.net/meierv6p410-413.htm Randy ô¿ô | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 04-2003 |
Randy, Huh? I said all those things? You may be reading more between the lines than actually exists. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 149 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Jo_Jo, No, you did not say all those things, was complying with the subject title of this forum: Overpopulation. Also, interjecting we have to be careful of and watch out for duelism... such as... a thing wrong or a thing right in defense of Semjase. This defense of Semjase stemmed from your comment that she was wrong and Bush was right: As to the Plejaren (whom Semjase represents) this question was posed to Billy recently Oct 31, 2006: Answer The Plejaren never lied but always spoke about that which they know/knew or thought to be true. If it turned out that what they had looked upon as true, but later turned out to be different etc., they were correcting themselves. They did not always explain everything they know, but only disclosed parts of information. On other instances they just answered the questions, but since the questions weren't precise, they were able to withhold information, etc. etc. In another answer it was said that the Plejaren knew for millenia of Earth man behavoir of not doing what is in his mind (lying to himself) but they were not aware of how wide this gap was... So it was not really lying on the part of the Plejaren. They also mentioned they were not know-it-alls and do make mistakes which is how we learn... Randy ô¿ô | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 220 Registered: 04-2003 |
This defense of Semjase stemmed from your comment that she was wrong and Bush was right: Randy, no, not ever. I would never intentionally say anything like that, and if I did, I hereby retract it. |
