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    Jo_jo Member Post Number: 207 Registered: 04-2003 |
Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2005 - 08:30 pm: Billy, Have the recent hurricanes in the U.S. - Katrina and Rita been caused or worsened by any type of climate weapon that Semjase once spoke about? If so, can you reveal which country has used them? Thanks, Hunter Answer No. They were influenced by the changes of nature, caused by the human beings. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 208 Registered: 04-2003 |
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2001 - 09:17 pm: Hi Michael Thats interesting,,,,A few months ago I sent some pictures of the contrails to Christian who in turn showed them to Billy. Billy said they look like normal contrails. I was a little surprised by this, but then again who knows. I just know from my experience that this is not natural... Thanks Scott | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 04-2003 |
Posted on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 08:37 am: Hi Scott and Mark, I have asked about the chemtrials on both of my trips to Switzerland and, a bit disappointingly, they didn't have info on it and even said that Billy thought they were a normal phenomenon. I think that you and others may wish to contact FIGU and again bring it to their attention and even see if they can get the P's to look into it. This may also be a case of us having to get excited about something ourselves and try to do something about it. The problem is that the media absolutely stonewalls this. I have made numerous calls to stations in L.A. and they either laugh it off or claim they're "too busy with the news" to even look out their windows...literally. I even told one guy that if this isn't news I don't know what is but they simply don't care. Next step? Michael | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 210 Registered: 04-2003 |
Scott, A lot of times people just believe what they want to believe, especially when they have a lot of time and effort invested in a particular theory. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 983 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Jo_Jo, Thank you for all your cutting and pasting of past posts. Mr. Deardorff is one person I have talked with about this, but he is not the only person. I'm really not sure what you are trying to say with all of your posts about this and related topics, could you be more specific? To be really clear this is not something I believe because somebody said its so, but this is something I have witnessed, and therefore know it to be true, but again there are those that will disagree..It seems I have struck a nerve with you based on your reaction? Scott | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 211 Registered: 04-2003 |
Scott, No nerve struck, just offering some other data points. I’m rather skeptical of the so-called “conspiracy theories”. Not to say there isn’t truth behind some of them, but there’s also a lot of disinformation out there. I try to take it all in and separate the wheat from the chaff. If you have first-hand knowledge and experience with chemtrails, feel free to share it. I wouldn’t disrespect people with advanced degrees and expertise nor “believe” everything they say. But they’ve earned their bones/paid their dues. Examine everyone on an individual case. However, they operate from a basis in their field where they could/should “know” more than a layman. Obviously it’s up to them, through their integrity, how they use this knowledge. It is most logical for people to form opinions based on their first-hand experiences, and this is greatly enhanced when they have training in what they are looking at. Perhaps this gets them to second base. I don’t deny the need/benefit for thinking outside the box. But it also doesn’t hurt to be well-versed in the fundamentals. That can be a spring-board to greater things. | ||
Technod Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hi Scott concerning those pesky chemtrails,could it be that those trails being left by whomever might be under a military type program? I was still under the impression Mr. Meier and his group do not like to talk about the military and there weapons. Brian Best | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello everyone, Regarding the newsletter at http://theyfly.com/news2005/november06/november06.htm#quake Regarding the earthquake that will occur in the near future (or may occur??) and Wendell Stevens noting that the cars had skylights i.e windshields that stretched beyond the traditional visor and extended through the roof of the car. Michael Horn gave an example of a car with skylights which supposidly shows that these cars are beginning to go in production so the earthquake could be coming somewhat soon for the californians. Here are two other examples of cars: pretty sweet I might add. http://www.dieselstation.com/wallpapers/Ford-Mustang-Giugiaro-Concept/Ford-Mustang-Giugiaro-Concept-014.jpg http://carsguide.news.com.au/story/0,20384,20787843-21822,00.html Look out California!! Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2006 |
Tjames, Regrettably the earthquake will occur, since it was viewed by Billy via time-travel. I guess it's a prediction because the damage to the earth that will cause it has already happened and cannot be undone. A lot of lives could be spared if only we knew precisely when it will occur. | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 302 Registered: 07-2005 |
Tjames Has anyone thought about relaying this specific warning to various scientists in the related field, especially around the California region? It seems as if according to providence, much of the rot that is produced through the media (The Hollywood machination effect) will be rudely restructured by this earthquake. Don't get me wrong, any loss of life is a terrible thing, you just have to imagine a close family member or that of yourself being one of the victims and you'd realise you wouldn't wish it on even your worse enemy but what I am alluding to is the fact that much of what is produced nowadays from Hollywood including the licentious display of the so called 'stars' private lives with warts and all have so unashamedly corrupted the youth of today. The catch cry 'sex, drugs and rock'n'roll' have becomes so embedded in the minds of many youths today that for some reason, getting drunk, high and wild is deemed cool and is the expression of ones true freedom against the oppressive forces. There are many reasons and factors that have shaped the mind set of current youth as well as the adult population and the biggest culprit is the media ofcourse. But then again, if it wasn't for the Hollywood machination and the people driving this engine, we would not have lived many lives and learnt many valuable lessons it taught through some special moments in many movies. Anyway, getting back, the well established and reputable website of Michael Horn and his efforts in my opinion would not be enough to persuade those scientists about this earthquake as nefarious machination by various debunkers has gained momentum against the good that he has so far done to warn and inform people of this coming event thus they have somewhat tarnished everything of figu that Michael represents along with his reputation as well. So I am suggesting figu members sign a collective petition with this information as individual citizens of many different countries and then relay the pertinent info to various bodies of interest, especially in the Californian state. cheers Matt | ||
Jakes Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2006 |
Matt, How is a San Francisco earthquake going to affect Hollywood? It’s almost 400 miles to the south. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 12-2004 |
The problem is this guys & gals: Who has listened to Billy Thus far? Us How much have we contributed thus far? Peace Mediations, local groups, chatrooms, personal studies, personal heightening of consciousness thereby affecting the globe???? NEways what makes you think the few thousand people around the globe will actually heed the warning that was not supposed to get out in the first place. Next, Please people from elementary understandings of prohecies vs. prediction (which I made it unclear in my last post). Predictions should not be made official becuause ANY ATTEMPT TO AVERT THE DANGER WILL ONLY COMPOUND THE ISSUE AS HARD AS IT IS TO UNDERSTAND. And also remember the P's have sound, true, timetested reasoning for having developed their by-laws and perameters for intereaction thus far, Their level of technology and interaction with high level entities are proof of this fact. My warning was more coloquial and not an earnest attempt to really warn anyone only for discussion purposes. It was information that was not supposed to get out and as evidence to this Look were our discussion has taken this topic already. A "waste of effort" Salome Tim Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona! | ||
Newinitiation Member Post Number: 311 Registered: 07-2005 |
G'day Tjames James it's an offically published material that is already out there prediction or not. I tend to think that if this information is already published, then it was meant for us to know, use and do something about. Isn't this what the task of the prophecies and predictions are, to make things better and avoid catatrophe. I don't think, what we have thus far been handed down by billy and the plejarens was ever meant to remain a secret, otherwise billy would have jeopardize the mission for having a loud mouth which I don't think is remotely possible. I understand in that your intentions in bringing this topic to light was for discussion purposes only and I don't want to add undue pressure on you to reluctantly be compelled to act. It was a suggestion on my part, as you know, the point of discussion is to translate the solutions derived from those discussion into action. I think with many problems, prevention is better than cure and I would rather be accused of crying wolf any day than over seeing hundreds and thousands of mangled corpses relayed through CNN and saying, 'gees only if we had warned them'. Thinking about this, the pictures of dead rotting corpses just strewn across the Indonesian, pakistan, indian, malaysian and other effected countries beaches and landscape from the Christmas eve tsunami is still fresh in my mind, yet how easily we can forget. I know much of the fault lies with the mind set of just too many people in this supposedly enlightened age, when their minds aren't receptive to unorthodox but clearly revelatory truths which is probably why most of us here is sick and tired and lament by saying 'why bother'. Yet looking at billy's conduct over the years, when the going got tough, he got going and persisted no matter how much defamatory accusations were levelled at him which is the reason why we are able to jump on a bandwagon , if I could coin it in such a term, and hitch a ride of progressive journey towards the understanding of truth because billy has built one to accomodate us. So we can all learn to be inspired from the mentor, as we know best our own suffering, that which others suffer, we through our own pains, can be brought to understand as our own. Anyway something might come of it cheers Matt | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 164 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi All, This article seems to explain how CO2 and CFCs don't and can't rise and form a greenhouse barrier. Makes sense; these gases are heavier than air. Any comments on what he has to say? http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/global/globalwarming1.html cpl | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 137 Registered: 07-2004 |
cpl, the link doesn't get all the way to the article. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 165 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Kingman, Yes. Just click on the "GLOBAL WARMING: Scientific Hoax exposed 1" and you're there. cpl | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 08-2004 |
Does anyone know if Billy or the Plejarens have said anything about the much touted idea of a radical physical change in the planet's frequency for 2009-13 period? Thanks, cpl | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 237 Registered: 03-2004 |
Zion Oil & Gas initial public offering opens Company explores deep targets in Israel – on biblical lands of Asher and Manasseh September 27, 2006 – Dallas, Texas and Caesarea, Israel – Zion Oil & Gas, Inc. (www.zionoil.com) announced today that its initial public offering has opened. Zion intends to use the funds raised to continue its efforts to explore for oil and gas in Israel. Zion holds petroleum exploration rights onshore Israel on about 219,000 acres located between Tel Aviv and Haifa, in areas which in Biblical times were in the territories of the Tribes of Manasseh and Asher. Zion drilled its initial well, known as the Ma’anit #1, to a depth of 15,842 feet. This exploratory well stands waiting for additional completion activity. The Company also intends to drill a second, appraisal well on a nearby location. If funding is available, the Company plans to drill this well to targets even deeper than the Triassic age targets drilled by the Ma'anit #1. Zion's ability to drill this second well will depend on the Company's success in placing the maximum number of shares available in its current offering. Zion Oil & Gas is offering shares of common stock to the public at a price of $7.00 per share and the offering is being placed through Network 1 Financial Securities, Inc. (www.network1financial.com). The offering requires the sale of a minimum of 350,000 shares. A maximum of 2,000,000 shares are available. If Zion is successful in its exploration efforts and following recoupment of certain exploratory costs, Zion intends to donate 6% of its gross revenues to two charitable trusts, one to be established by Zion in Israel and one in the United States. Zion has been conditionally approved for listing on the American Stock Exchange subject to a timely completion of the minimum offering. The ticker symbol will be ZN. http://www.zionoil.com/ipo/wnd.html | ||
Language_of_the_birds Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 06-2006 |
 Schöpfung die sich entschleiert Creation which reveals itself THE SIGNS THE BLINDS CANNOT SEE AND THE WORD THE DEAF CANNOT HEAR... See with your eyes and hear with your ears!!!  TJ 23:48. Die last des israelitischen Volkes wird sein wie ein schwerer Stein der sieben grossen Zeitalter, und wer auf diesen Stein fällt, der wird zerschellen; auf wen aber er fällt, den wird er zermalmen.» TJ 22:48. "The burden of the Israelite people will be like a heavy stone of the seven Great Ages. Whosoever falls upon this stone will be smashed to pieces, and whosoever it falls upon will be crushed: CREATION Oh How I look forward for this Happy Day. The Day of Purification.A 'Creation´s Antibody' to purify this Planet Earth!!! CREATION: Allow me to be still alive to see this HAPPY DAY happen on this Earth I want to see it with my very eyes This humankind surely deserves this to happen to them And I wish from the Bottom of my heart to see it. This will be the most happy and joyful day of my life. So be It! Come QUICKLY!!!! as fast as you can Red Meteor. Come and do your Job RED METEOR. I want to see which of earthly "gods" will save the skins of this humakind. You may call me inhuman, pityless crazy human being I DO NOT CARE and do not give a damn. But this is my most sincere wish. Prophezeiungen aus dem 16. Jahrhundert Prophecy from the 16th century by Ursula Southiel Mutter Shipton (Ursula Southiel) wurde 1488 in einer Höhle in Knaresborough (Yorkshire, England) geboren. Sie bekam ihre Gabe die Zukunft vorherzusagen im Alter von 24. Ihre Weissagungen, typisch für diese Zeit, wurden in Rätseln gemacht, oft in Versen. Sie starb 1561. —Mutter Shipton machte eine Prophezeiung über das Ende der Welt: »Die Welt wird enden, wenn die hohe Brücke das dritte Mal gefallen ist.« Die hohe Brücke in Knaresborough, rechts des Haupteinganges von Mutter Shiptons Höhle, fiel bis jetzt zweimal. Mother Shipton (Ursula Southiel) was born 1488 in a cave in Knaresborough (Yorkshire, England). She had the gift predicting the future at the age of 24. Her predictions, typically for this time were done in puzzles, often in verses. She died in 1561 burnt . — Mother Shipton made a prophecy about the end of the world: "The world will finish if the high bridge fell for the third time. "the high bridge" over Knaresborough, right at the main entrance of mother's Shiptons cave, sor far fell for two times. Deutsche Übersetzung Wenn Bilder zu leben scheinen in freier Bewegung, Wenn Boote wie Fische schwimmen unter der See, Wenn Menschen wie Vögel den Himmel durchjagen, Dann wird die halbe Welt, tief in Blut getränkt, sterben. When pictures seem alive with movements free When boats like fishes swim beneath the sea, When men like birds shall scour the sky Then half the world, deep drenched in blood shall die. Zu vermischen und ihnen zu zeigen, Wie sie leben und lieben, und die Kinder Ausstatten mit der zweiten Sicht. Eine natürliche Sache, so daß sie sich zur Blüte Entwickeln, bescheiden sind; wenn das getan, Das Goldene Zeitalter wird neu beginnen. To intermingle and show them how To live and love and thus endow The children with the second sight. A natural thing so that they might Grow graceful, humble and when they do The Golden Age will start anew. Deutsche Übersetzung Da wird ein Zeichen sein, für alle zu sehn, Sei sicher, daß es kommen wird. Dann wird Liebe sterben, Hochzeit hört auf Nationen vermindern sich wie Babys auch. Weiber werden Hunde und Katzen hätscheln Und viele Menschen leben wie Schweine. There'll be a sign for all to see Be sure that it will certain be. Then love shall die and marriage cease And nations wane as babes decrease. And wives shall fondle cats and dogs And men live much the same as hogs. Deutsche Übersetzung Und Christ eins bekämpft Christ zwei. Und Nationen seufzen, tun noch nichts. Und gelbe Männer große Macht gewinnen Vom mächtigen Bär, mit dem sie zusammen. And Christian one fights Christian two And nations sigh, yet nothing do And yellow men great power gain From mighty bear with whom they've lain. Deutsche Übersetzung Die Zeichen werden für alle zu lesen sein, Wenn Menschen nur abscheuliche Dinge tun. Der Mensch wird gute Leben ruinieren, Wenn er sie zum Weibe nimmt. Und Mord und schlechte, brutale Taten Wenn die Menschen nur noch gierig sind. The signs will be there for all to read When man shall do most heinous deed Man will ruin kinder lives By taking them as to their wives. And murder foul and brutal deed When man will only think of greed. Deutsche Übersetzung Die Könige geben falsche Versprechen Und reden nur um des Redens willen. Und Länder entsetzlichen Kriege planen, Der noch nie zuvor gesehen wurde. Und Steuern steigen und das Leben sinkt Und Nationen tragen ständiges Stirnrunzeln. The kings shall false promise make And talk just for talking's sake And nations plan horrific war The like as never seen before. And taxes rise and lively down And nations wear perpetual frown. Deutsche Übersetzung Noch größeres Zeichen ist dort zu sehn, Wenn Mensch das späte Jahrhundert naht. Drei schlafende Berge holen Luft und Speien Schlamm und Eis und Tod aus. Und Erdbeben schlucken Stadt und Stadt, In Ländern, die mir noch unbekannt. Yet greater sign there be to see As man nears latter century. Three sleeping mountains gather breath And spew out mud, and ice and death. And earthquakes swallow town and town, In lands as yet to me unknown. Deutsche Übersetzung Diese mächtigen Tyrannen werden scheitern, Scheitern zu spalten die Welt entzwei. Doch von ihrer ausgeheckten Brut Kommt ein Fieber — lassen viele tot. These mighty tyrants will fail to do They fail to split the world in two. But from their acts a danger bred An ague — leaving many dead. Deutsche Übersetzung Neunzehnhundertsechsundzwanzig Leichte Häuser gebaut aus Stroh und Stöcken. Dann werden mächtige Kriege geplant Feuer und Schwert das Land ausfegen. In nineteen hundred and twenty six Build houses light of straw and sticks. For then shall mighty wars be planned And fire and sword shall sweep the land. Deutsche Übersetzung Wenn Bilder zu leben scheinen in freier Bewegung, Wenn Boote wie Fische schwimmen unter der See, Wenn Menschen wie Vögel den Himmel durchjagen, Dann wird die halbe Welt, tief in Blut getränkt, sterben. When pictures seem alive with movements free When boats like fishes swim beneath the sea, When men like birds shall scour the sky Then half the world, deep drenched in blood shall die. Deutsche Übersetzung Die, die das Jahrhundert durchleben, Werden das in Furcht und Zittern tun. Flieh in die Berge und in Nebel, In Sumpf und Wald und wildes Moor. For those who live the century through In fear and trembling this shall do. Flee to the mountains and the dens To bog and forest and wild fens. Deutsche Übersetzung Stürme toben und Ozeane brüllen, Wenn Gabriel an See und Küste steht. Und als er in sein Horn bläst, sterben Alte Welten, neue werden geboren. For storms will rage and oceans roar When Gabriel stands on sea and shore And as he blows his wondrous horn Old worlds die and new be born. Deutsche Übersetzung Ein feuriger Drachen wird den Himmel kreuzen. Sechs mal bevor diese Erde sterben wird. Menschheit wird zittern und sich fürchten, Wegen des sechsten Boten dieser Vorherschau. A fiery Dragon will cross the sky Six times before this earth shall die Mankind will tremble and frightened be For the sixth heralds in this prophecy. Deutsche Übersetzung In sieben Tagen und sieben Nächten Der Mensch diesen furchtbaren Anblick sieht. Die Gezeiten werden übersteigen Über ihre Küsten und dann werden Die Berge anfangen zu dröhnen Und Erdbeben spalten die Ebene zur Küste. Anmerkung: TJ 34:23. Die Schöpfung aber unterliegt den Gesetzen der Urdauer und der Urzeitschöpfung, die da ist das Absolute Absolutum und der Anfang und die Endlosigkeit von allem und erschaffen aus sich selbst. TJ 34:23. "Creation, however, is subject to the laws of Primeval-Timelessness and Primeval-Creation, which is the Absolute Absolutum and the beginning and endlessness of everything. And it was created out of itself. TJ 34:24. Ihr Geheimnis aber ist das Unmessbare und es liegt in der Zahl Sieben, Die da gerechnet wird in Malen. TJ 34:24. "Its secret is that which is immeasurable and is based on the number seven, which is counted in 'times.' TJ 34:25. Dies aber gehöret zu den Geheimnissen und den Gesetzen, die der Ver stand des Menschen nur wird lösen in derVollkommenheit. TJ 34:25. "This is one of the secrets and laws the human mind will solve only when it reaches perfection. Deutsche Übersetzung For seven days and seven nights Man will watch this awesome sight. The tides will rise beyond their ken To bite away the shores and then The mountains will begin to roar And earthquakes split the plain to shore. Deutsche Übersetzung Und einstürzende Wasserfluten werden Das Land überfluten mit solchem Getöse, Daß Menschen kauern in schlammigen Moor Und knurren wegen ihrer Gefährten.  And flooding waters, rushing in Will flood the lands with such a din That mankind cowers in muddy fen And snarls about his fellow men. Deutsche Übersetzung Menschen fliehen die Fluten vor Entsetzen Und töten und schänden und liegen in Blut. Und Blutvergießen durch Menschenhand Wird viele Länder beflecken. Man flees in terror from the floods And kills, and rapes and lies in blood And spilling blood by mankind's hands Will stain and bitter many lands. Deutsche Übersetzung Zu vermischen und ihnen zu zeigen, Wie sie leben und lieben, und die Kinder Ausstatten mit der zweiten Sicht. Eine natürliche Sache, so daß sie sich zur Blüte Entwickeln, bescheiden sind; wenn das getan, Das Goldene Zeitalter wird neu beginnen. To intermingle and show them how To live and love and thus endow The children with the second sight. A natural thing so that they might Grow graceful, humble and when they do The Golden Age will start anew. Deutsche Übersetzung Und Wissenschaftler finden keine Arznei. Deswegen ist es noch schlimmer als Aussatz. O viele Zeichen für die Sehenwollenden Die Wahrheit dieser wirklichen Prophezeiung. And physics find no remedy For this is worse than leprosy. Oh many signs for all to see The truth of this true prophecy. Schöpfung die sich entschleiert Creation which reveals itself The Red Meteor http://www.gaiaguys.net/andyettheyfly.htm http://www.gaiaguys.net/andyettheyfly.htm QUETZAL: "The Red Meteor named in the prophecies is enormous in size and will cause extremely vicious destruction on Earth and, in addition to climatic, tectonic and other changes, will also split the Earth's crust from today's Baltic Sea to the Black Sea. It will swoop from the depths of the cosmos into the Sol System and then on to the Earth." BILLY: "Do you mean that we are not dealing with a known comet which always comes through our system in its orbital path?" QUETZAL: "This is correct, because this meteor flies in an orbit which will direct it to your Sol System for the first time. In earlier times, it was never in your region of space." BILLY: "And its flight is to end on Earth! Aren't you able to undertake any action against it?" QUETZAL: "You know very well that we are not permitted to stop this event. The cosmic forces themselves have programmed this event in advance, and it can only be stopped or warded off by the Earth people themselves. In their materialistic and misguided ego-centered isolation and discriminations and in their delusions of grandeur, they disregard all warnings and prophecies, so this event will inevitably come to pass as a rebuke and retribution, if you wish to see it so as such. And because this admonition and retribution must occur, we are not permitted to undertake any actions to ward off this event. Earth people should listen to your words and warnings, but that is precisely what they do not do. You are standing watch for a lost cause, as a voice crying in the wilderness, and only a few are willing or shall be willing to listen to your words, to grasp them, think about them and learn to act in the right way. Therefore, the non-listening will experience many deaths when the meteor does its deadly work and creates a new part of the Earth through a violent Earth rift, from which red hot lava will gush forth, from the Baltic Sea to the Black Sea" BILLY: "You said that so dramatically and non-scientifically. By the way, it would be of interest to me where this Earth rift will emerge." QUETZAL: "it is our way to also remain human by offering scientific explanations without using a scientific language. Scientific terms prevail primarily only among the Earth people who believe they must distinguish themselves with this language. This is a degeneracy of callous megalomania, and furthermore, it leads to the belittlement of all dangers. This is one of the reasons why we -- and all other intelligent and truly thinking life forms -- never allow ourselves to fall into using special scientific language, but use easily understood language, instead, which purposely is somewhat dramatic because the developing drama of the abominable event actually exists. A purely scientific means of expression is always misleading because it is detached and impersonal, thereby belittling and minimizing the dangers. "With reference to the Earth rift to be expected, I can tell you that it will divide the land between the Baltic Sea and the Black Sea. Red-hot masses of lava and natural gas and so forth, will also produce a deadly wall of sulfur which will cover the land, drifting westward and creating additional death zones. ******** My best wishes to Herr Billy Meier - the True Prophet of New Age - in Swtizerland. The True One Who Really Understands the Language of The Birds and who Peacefully Observes the Time. ****** Und als der Drachenschweif vorbei ist, Vergißt der Mensch und lacht und macht Weiter wie bisher — zu spät, zu spät, weil die Menschheit sich ihr Verderben verdient hat. And when the Dragon's tail is gone, Man forgets, and smiles, and carries on To apply himself — too late, too late For mankind has earned deserved fate Die Zeichen werden für alle zu lesen sein, Wenn Menschen nur abscheuliche Dinge tun. Der Mensch wird gute Leben ruinieren, Wenn er sie zum Weibe nimmt. Und Mord und schlechte, brutale Taten Wenn die Menschen nur noch gierig sind. The signs will be there for all to read When man shall do most heinous deed Man will ruin kinder lives By taking them as to their wives. And murder foul and brutal deed When man will only think of greed. Diejenigen, die das Mysterium erfahren, reden darüber nicht. Diejenigen, die darüber reden, haben das Mysterium nicht erfahren Versuche nicht, über das Unaussprechliche zu reden, "Those who have experienced the Mystery don’t speak about it. Those who do speak about it have not experienced the Mystery." Lao Tse | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 359 Registered: 03-2004 |
Lieber Vogelsprache! :-) I know just how you feel, but disagree with you. You know this catastrophic hope of yours is not righteous, and it is not part of the renewed teachings, which tell us that we must, as individuals, start on ourselves, personally. Try harder please to direct your powerful energy inwardly so the warmth of Creation helps you turn from these terrible negative thoughts. Thoughts are powerful things, mein Bruder, and so are words and images, and you have a responsibility to control them, and guide them into an appropriately neutral-positive framework. Frieden und Liebe/Weissheit, Djson | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 04-2006 |
I recently re-read contact 251 http://www.figu.org/us/ufology/contact_notes/251st/1.htm and the future that Billy has foreseen for us is really terrible, in the near future wars, climate changes, scientific misuses, asteroids and much evil is awaiting.We will even create some kind of Star Trek "Borgs", human-robotic beings, to control ships and electronic devices, who will rebel and mutiny like " Blade Runner".I feel really disgusted and sad thinking about such possibility, that can/could come true.I imagine my spirit enlivening one of those half organic half robotic human beings....ugly very ugly.There will appear new deseases and some scientist will create human-animal hybrids. The only good thing i see in the next eight or more centuries is the reversal of the aging gene and the possibility to visit our Sirius ancestors. So what do we do in the meantime? We have to evolve as individuals and work hard in order to help many of the prophecies not to be fulfilled, and if you are anchored to bad, disgusting, traumatic, phobic thoughts your efforts will be in vain.(La Palma volcano is 200 miles from my home and i don`t give a damn if it explodes tomorrow).I was an insecure person 2 years ago.I had no answers for matters which were extremely important to me.Thanks to Billy, i got one source i could rely on.We don`t live once or twice, we live endlessly.If time is not the limit then the limit is ourselves and our will to evolve.I suppose evolving is a personal individual task, from which society or the we-form benefit. Language of the birds, read contact 251.The destroyer comet will cause immense havoc to this planet in the future too.The plejaren asked the high council permission to disintegrate it and was denied .Answer was such cosmic events had been somehow planned and the comet could not be eliminated, but the plejaren were allowed to change the Destroyers course.If the red meteor impact is inavoidable, don`t panic.Life, your spirit and creation will find a solution after the catastrophe.Until that time comes, try to develop your spirit and your consciousness to the extreme.That is a job you can`t postpone. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 363 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Hector, You know I appreciate your sagacity, but Oh DEAR! Such pessimism! (This should pass as you familiarize yourself more with the teachings.) You write, “The only good thing i see in the next eight or more centuries is the reversal of the aging gene and the possibility to visit our Sirius ancestors. … i don`t give a damn if it (La Palma volcano) explodes tomorrow” I know that you, like Vogelsprache, are an intelligent, compassionate and perceptive man, so I ask you to please do try a little harder to envisage a better future. I’m sure you can do it if you set your mind to the task, and this fantasizing is a very important part of utilizing the monstrous power of thought to effect the positive changes we need in order to enjoy peace, freedom, love, harmony, spiritual poise, joy, etc. etc. Free energy devices are waiting in the wings as soon as we have some more blackouts and the cost of energy goes up some more. As it is written in OM (32:1979) "There are not enough shovels to bury the truth." Cheers! Dyson | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 04-2006 |
My previous post dealt with the (probable) reality that mankind is awaiting in the next centuries.I suppose Billy stresses the negative in order to awake our responsability and try to reverse most of the evil this planet is suffering and will continue to suffer. Such evil has been and will be caused by man, and mankind will be responsible for restoring the planet and man`s actions to the original virgin status. (i recall the plejaren withdrawing from Earth in 1995 and deleting any evidence of their presence here, stations, devices, whatever). If I know certainly that much harm and pain will be inflicted to nature and living forms in the future, the harder i`ll try to neutralize the actions of those who will commit those acts. The cause:irresponsible negligible acts.The effect: increasing efforts to "clean" (german word säubern fits perfectly here) the traces of those negligible tracks.Mother nature already does this; the more CO2 we produce through combustion engines, the more she tries to "clean" (saubern) it.But even nature has her limits.How do you say in english..now nature passes the baton to us? | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 209 Registered: 08-2004 |
“…it [the Red Meteor] can only be stopped or warded off by the Earth people themselves” (Quetzal). So it can be stopped by ourselves, just like WWIII. Let us not forget this. If you are not closed in mind to the idea of other sources having the odd bit of information you can find that it may well be that this Red Meteor will arrive at the end of WWIII -- finally putting an end to that madness, among other reasons Quetzal gave. If we avert WWIII, then IMO we stand a good chance of averting the Red Meteor. Perhaps because then we will be able to enlist other help by having more enlightened leaders; but it's up to us. As for La Palma I'm doing what I can to see this event does not occur. Just because Nostradamus too (besides our geologists and the Ps) has prophesied this occuring does not mean it has to happen; no prophecy needs to happen if people do what needs to be done to avoid what otherwise will happen. Foreknowledge can be the key to prevention, but you have to pick it up and walk the walk, or turn the key in the lock and open the door to another way and another world. Just today I received a petition from Care2 to Not go to War with Iran. The SOG paper of Billy's mentions war with Iran has been planned since 2002. Thousands are signing this petition and I've forwarded this on to MH who may forward it to some here. If you want to know what you can do maybe you can start here if you have no other ideas. Here is a link to the petition "Prevent an unprovoked attack against Iran": http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/557411454 By the power of Creation within surely we can prevent these things from transpiring; but it requires our positive actions to that end. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 225 Registered: 01-2004 |
to anyone interested... these past couple of years i have kept in mind of what billy said about the coming change of weather, more harsh weather to come etc... well as of about a week ago, we started getting cold weather almost immedietly out of what seemed like nowhere, the intense rain for a day or two, then it stopped, then howling winds, then it stopped. almost like some kind of warning. today all hell has broken loose, hurricane winds in some parts of B.C's lower mainland... heavy rain, dark clouds etc. many people ar saying they have never seen anything like this especially at this time of the year. one area is stormy and wet, then just across a mountain side, realitively clear sky. the meteoroligists are saying this is very very strange weather, winds reached 125 mph! i dont know when that has ever happend in my town (vancouver). this seems to be only the beggining... and i cant help but feel billy meier is more than accurate about his weather predictions (if they were predictions?) another STRANGE thing is that folks around here said at times it looked like this storm, and it's various fronts, or whatever you call them, seemed to behave inteligently, like as if targetting specific areas and totally avoiding others in it's path. strange stuff indeed. | ||
Ritak Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 05-2000 |
We have not heard much of anything about HAARP lately. The weather changes could be from that technology. The US was testing it from a base in Alaska. Salome, | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 01-2004 |
i would not be suprised, i have many pictures i took of odd cloud patterns and have seen strange weather in general for the past 3 years down here. | ||
Lonnie Member Post Number: 120 Registered: 12-1999 |
Dear CPL, "As for La Palma I'm doing what I can to see this event does not occur. Just because Nostradamus too (besides our geologists and the Ps) has prophesied this occuring does not mean it has to happen; no prophecy needs to happen if people do what needs to be done to avoid what otherwise will happen." The Plejaren, through Billy, have said that the collapse of the La Palma volcano in the Canary Islands is not a prophecy but a PREDICTION. This means that this catastrophe is CERTAIN to occur at anytime in the near future. We have been warned that unless the US government takes action to minimize the danger, the mega tsunami caused by this event will kill from 20 to 30 million Americans living along the east coast. Salome, Lonnie Morton | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 975 Registered: 12-1999 |
HAARP Was Last On 3.39 MHz Sat 10/21/2006 0442 GMT Med Power night time testing for 2 min, according to http://www.brojon.org/frontpage.html | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 976 Registered: 12-1999 |
What HAARP sounds like: http://www.brojon.org/frontpage/bj1203.html | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 107 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Scott, Thank you for revealing and sharing that with us... It is one month after the autumnal equinox and probably close enough to gather effects if done on the actual equinox. Apparently it heats up the ionsphere and causes high pressure to radiate out in the "desired?" direction. Tschüs... Love to all... rarena ô¿ô Ancient Lyrian coded to Earth peace meditation: Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Please see here for correct pronunciation: http://www.theyfly.com/salome/salome.htm English: Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 219 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Lonnie, Thanks for pointing out the Plejaren said the La Palma mega-tsunami was a prediction. As we can lessen its effects we can still take action to this effect. Apart from the obvious evacuation and relocation, I propose a couple of possible engineering projects that should prevent it if completed, but lessen it if the collapse occurrs before project completion. The latter is very likely as the project itself will take many years to complete, assuming governments decide to act and finance such. They need to start work on these projects, or one of them, at the earliest possible date. It could lessen the actual size of the tsunami, and hence its impact and life-destroying capabilities. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 205 Registered: 04-2003 |
Tony, What is your evidence supporting the claim that the clouds were manipulated by scalar? Bearden and his sycophants? Or are you an atmospheric scientist? | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 982 Registered: 12-1999 |
Jo_Jo, It's interesting you mentioned the term Atmospheric Scientist. I would have to say no one knows everything, and I don't for a minute support the idea that because someone has achieved a certain degree etc....that they have the final word on anything. My point being, I have really studied the "chemtrail" phenomena for years. What I mean by that is I have witnessed different things occurring in our atmosphere, which to me do not seem natural. I have talked with others about this and helped produce and distribute video's in this regard. I know someone who is an atmospheric scientist whom I have presented my questions and observations. His response is either he did not know, or it was such and such, which, in my opinion didn't correspond with my own conclusions or the conclusions of others. Therefore I have concluded that whether one is an "expert" in any given field does not qualify them or earn them the distinction to have the final say in anything, unless there logic is completely based on sound reasoning and corresponds with all the information available. Regards Scott | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 04-2003 |
Weather Wars: Idaho Weatherman Says Russian Weapon Controlling Weather (ABC 4 News) -- A tidal wave sweeps over south Asia. A major earthquake shakes Pakistan. Hurricane Katrina swamps New Orleans and levels much of the Mississippi Gulf Coast. In terms of cost, Katrina is the worst natural disaster in the history of the United States. But a former TV weatherman from Pocatello, Idaho, believes nature had nothing to do with any of these disasters. It was, he says, the Russians -- or at least someone using a Russian weapon to control the weather. Scott Stevens says, “It’s eco-terrorism. They set off earthquakes, volcanoes and manage the climate. It’s my opinion that since 1976 there’s been no weather that has not had this technology affecting it in one way or another." So with all this power, how did the Soviets lose the cold war? Stevens does not answer the question directly, saying only, “Appearances are not what they seem.” Stevens says he began to understand the weather was being manipulated when he began seeing shapes and movements in clouds that he claims cannot be explained -- movements that he says, “are not natural for a fluid or gaseous environment.” But the specifics of his ideas come from the Internet -- specifically, the writings of T. E. Bearden, a retired lieutenant colonel, a notorious conspiracy theorist who has written a book on what he calls scalar electromagnetic weapons. Bearden writes that these weapons are so powerful that they can create, intensify and steer superstorms. What’s more, this weapon can tear apart other storms causing drought. Stevens believes the drought that has gripped much of the west for more than five years also can be blamed on this weapon. "There’s quantum potential with this weapon, so you can literally pull energy – pull moisture out of a storm and deposit it somewhere else. It’s a fantastic capability.” So fantastic are his claims he’s had to resign from his job as the main weatherman for KPVI in Pocatello. But Stevens says other opportunities are coming as a result of his speaking out on scalar EM weapons. There have been book deals. Hollywood has come calling three times with movie and documentary projects. Then there are the endless interviews with national TV correspondents and radio talk show hosts. Attention does not mean acceptance. In fact, Bearden’s theories and Stevens’ applications of his theories are roundly rejected by mainstream science. Timothy Garrett is an associate professor of meteorology at the University of Utah. He has a degree in physics and a Ph D in atmospheric science. He says all of the shapes and movements that Stevens cannot explain, he can. “It would be a tremendous power to have at one’s disposal... But it’s not possible.” Dr. Garrett says. “They are all natural events that happen for well known physical reasons.” Stevens’ credentials come less from scholarship than fame. He graduated from the University of Kansas with a degree in communications. He has not been certified by the AMA. Still, he has used his position in television to gain the attention of a much wider audience than Pocatello. Not only have American journalists been calling, but also others from Russia and Japan. (Stevens claims Japanese organized crime figures paid the Russians to create Katrina.) Stevens does not seem to be bothered by the critics or the science. He wears the scorn of others as a badge of honor. “There will be some who just don’t get it,” he says. “That’s okay. But those who are ready will embrace.” For those who consider him a “nut case,” Stevens replies, “So be it. Time will prove otherwise.” It is a message made for the art bell set. Generation X-Files. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 206 Registered: 04-2003 |
Scott, Is this who you're referring to?  JAMES W. DEARDORFF Present Position: Professor Emeritus Department of Atmospheric Sciences (College of Oceanic and Atmospheric Sciences) Oregon State University B.S. (1950) - Physics, Stanford University B.S. (2nd) (1951) - Meteorology, University of California at Los Angeles M.S. (1956) - Meteorology, University of Washington Ph.D. (1959) - Meteorology, University of Washington 1951-1955: Line Officer; Special Weapons Electrical Officer, U.S. Navy 1955-1958: Research and Teaching Assistant, University of Washington 1958-1959: Acting Instructor, Meteorology, University of Washington 1959-1962: Senior Scientist, Air-Sea Interface, University of Washington 1962-1978: Senior Scientist, National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado 1974-1978: Head, Small Scale Analysis and Prediction Project, National Center for Atmospheric Research 1978-1986: Research Professor, Department of Atmospheric Sciences, Oregon State University 1986-: Professor Emeritus, Oregon State University | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi, Found in the Answers.txt that Dyson was good enough to put on his web site. Found where the reference to hydrogen and what Herr Meier feels about it: ====================================================================== Jukdo Posted on Tuesday, June 15, 2004 - 11:35 pm Hello Billy, Is Hydrogen technology a feesable solution to eventually shut down nuclear power plants? (Hydrogen fuel cells for homes and automobiles.) ANSWER: Hydrogen technology is dangerous (explosive). The following energy sources/methods are positive for our future: solar energy geothermal energy wind energy tidal energy and (much) later: electron energy sub-atomar energies etc. energy drawn from Black Holes ====================================================================== Reference from: Gaiaguys.net http://www.gaiaguys.net/Answers.txt The geothermal should be watched though... Here in California, the largest geothermal unit in the world in Gyserville ran out of water (no more gysers) so now they pump waste water into the hole? Calpine.com Notice the Eartquakes now...http://www.data.scec.org/recenteqs/Maps/123-39.html Just North of Healdsburg click on the box to see more information. Tschüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 129 Registered: 04-2003 |
Rarena, From the above quote concerning energy, one can infer that free energy from space is not yet feasible. Does that mean all the people claiming the ability to create free energy are frauds and charlatans? | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 10-2005 |
Jo_jo, One can infer what they like... It is a quote. The above quote is from Billy Meier. My idea was that Hydrogen was a good idea, but many claimed it was not. This adds weight to thier claims. Am merely stating Billy's opinion, not mine, which should carry a lot of weight in a forum devoted to him. Before finding the quote, it was my favorite enegy source. Am not familiar with any other energy source that is not a "perpetual motion machine". Tschüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 04-2003 |
Rarena, Your quote: Am merely stating Billy's opinion, not mine, which should carry a lot of weight in a forum devoted to him. Agreed! | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 10-2005 |
Jo-jo, In regards to your question: All the people claiming the ability to create free energy are frauds and charlatans? A very sweeping generalization will get us no closer to the truth. As to if the people who make these claims are charlatans... it certainly depends on if they are terrestrial or not and is impossible to tell without seeing and observing each and every claim or learning enough about each device or system to determine reliability of the data to determine accurate authenticity of each claim. Not really sure what you're getting at here. Have read many of your pertinant questions to Billy and know you're not one to beat around the bush... Are you testing me? Tschüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 04-2003 |
Rarena, This is becoming for me a type of discourse I do not wish to continue, and I assure you it is not my intention to f#%k with you. But I will attempt to clarify my meanings/intentions because you asked. Based on the types of energy Billy indicated are positive for our development (from his answer to Jukdo’s question), and considering from Contact 251 that an incredibly inexpensive energy source will be discovered by three scientists around the time of the prophesized WW4, I postulated it is unlikely that the technology presently exists to extract free energy from space and, accordingly, that all people claiming that they possess such capabilities at the present time are frauds and charlatans. I was not considering extra-terrestrials in the equation. This is my thinking only. In the present round of questions, I have asked Billy if the technology is currently available or being suppressed, as many people suggest. I will wait for his answer before speculating any further. When I agreed with your statement that Billy’s opinion should carry a lot of weight in a forum devoted to him, I was agreeing with your premise in the general sense. Nothing more. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Jo-jo, Thank you for your question. My quest for Hydrogen technology and the Environment was started when my father first worked on fuel cells at Stanford and Nasa for the Moon race (Apollo Projects). It seems logical to question the use of expensive carcinogenic substances such as oil to be used when they may be better suited to easing continential friction between tectonic plates. Since hydrogen is our most plentiful (clean burning, turns to water) element in the Universe it seems like a good source of energy, via fuel cell type units. The oil lobbyists are dead set against it's use, most likely since there are a trillion barrels of oil still to be pumped up and profit to be made from this dirty source of energy. BTW it is just as explosive as gasoline burns hotter though. Had not read or remembered Billy's comments on the subject. There are ways to use hydrogen, for example, lye plus water added to a internal combustion engine can produce 25% fuel economy. It disturbs many to see kids dying for the technology which can only be discribed as "stagnant". One way is to educate people and this forum is a perfect example. Hydrogen is from space, yet those using it are not frauds and charlatans. The purpose of this thread was actually seeking truth and was directed to Dyson D and Scott B as they were arguing in the favor of NOT using hydrogen. My entry was Billy's opinion that agreed with Scott and Dysons and made a positive neutral project out of our discussion. As an interesting aside, actually connecting a hyrdogen source to my car would have produced a myrid of problems stemming from the 32 oxygen sensors before the fuel pump. Will continue... thanks for the comments and education... Tschüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hello All, Have you see this car yet? It has a couple of the features that was seen in the San Francisco earthquake photograph that Billy took in his trip to the future. No side view mirrors and the windshield appears to go further up into the roof. Ardie  | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 916 Registered: 02-2000 |
Is that a concept care? Where did you get it? My Website | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 02-2000 |
I guess it is a concept car. It was on my MSN news homepage. You can find an article about it here. It says that they will be using alot of these features on future cars. http://autos.msn.com/as/minishow/article.aspx?contentID=4024039&s=bibendum2006 | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Ardie and all, Since you put up the picture i thought to share a model by Peugeot called "Moovie" i seen once through emails sent around by friends, for some reason it does some how fit Windelle's description. Although i think it looks quite funny, i wonder if it ever will be produced on a mass scale. i guess we will have to wait and see scroll to the bottom of the page for links for larger pictures http://www.style4cars.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=78&Itemid=66 regards, jr Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Matt Member Post Number: 52 Registered: 04-2006 |
Wendelle Stevens said in the UFO conference video that he believed that it would be around 10 to 15 years time before these type of cars would come out. I take it he could see that there were more then one or two of these type of cars in the photos he was looking at. | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Matt, I too think it would be 10 or 15 years before the common car had these features. But, since it looks like WWIII is unavoidable and should happen between 2006 and 2012, that would completely destroy North America and make it uninhabitable, how is it possible that there is still an intact San Francisco and Golden Gate Bridge and modern day cars driving around? Could Wendell have just looked for a single car or two that stood out from the rest? I would think that the earthquake would have to happen before WWIII. Ardie | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 173 Registered: 04-2003 |
Question to Billy Posted on Tuesday, September 02, 2003 - 04:20 am: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello Billy, There has been conjecture on this discussion forum that WWIII will not begin until some time after the occurrence of the San Francisco earthquake you viewed in a time travel. The logic is that the Transamerica building, which was split in half but still standing after the earthquake, would certainly not withstand the havoc that will undoubtedly be unleashed upon San Francisco during WWIII. Therefore, the war couldn’t possibly begin before the earthquake. Is this logic regarding the timeline for WWIII correct? Answer Just as WWI and WWII did not destroy all cities on Earth, WWIII would not detroy all cities. In other words: WWIII could occur outside of San Francisco, and even before the great earhtquake. | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 02-2000 |
hmmmmm....I'd forgotten about that older post. As devastating as the war is supposed to be, to North America as the Henoch Prophecies say, I would think that the earthquake would most likely occur before or in the early stages of WWIII. If not before, then it would have to be a very long time after. With the amount of destruction, disease and starvation that will go on for years afterwards, who's going to be able to build cars? This land is supposed to be uninhabitable. I hope things are as the answer states and that some places would be left untouched or at least suffer only minor damages. Sorry to dwell on this morbid subject, but when I saw that car, I thought that the chances of the earthquake happening in the next couple of years was quite likely. | ||
Markc Member Post Number: 343 Registered: 06-2000 |
Hi Ardie ; I have never been under the impression that WW3 would totally destroy North America . That is an assumption , as far as I can tell . Remember , WW4 is predicted also , so how could there be a 4 if 3 destroyed us all ? Salome , Mark Mark Campbell | ||
Eric_drouin Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hi Mark: World WAR IV will be fought with arrows and arcs Tschüss und salome. Eric | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 155 Registered: 08-2004 |
There is nothing, to my knowledge, that states WW III will be short -- only the final apparently nuclear destructive part will last 800 - 888 days (if it happens). The war could be going on for years even decades in various parts of Europe and other areas before then, just as there were many phases in WW II (which, perhaps by contrast, only lasted 5-6 years). We just do not know the beginning or total duration of WW III, should it occur. | ||
Ardie Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 02-2000 |
Hi Mark, The following quotes from the Henoch Prophecies is what made me think it will get very bad here. "The cruel happenings will last about 888 days and cause civilisation to collapse. Yet, the terrible scenario will continue, and epidemics and various diseases as well as enormous famine will spread among the people, while the economy of the world will totally collapse and there will be no possibility to produce any goods."}} "...but Europe will continue to exist, even after having suffered enormous destruction. Far in the West, it will be different; the United States of America will be a country of total destruction." I could have sworn that I read something specifically saying that North America would be uninhabitable, but I can't find it now. Also that all animal and plant life would be destroyed. I find it hard to believe that everything will be gone, but I can't imagine cars being built during these times. Salome, Ardie | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 01-2004 |
was ww4 predicted? or prophesized? | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 189 Registered: 12-2004 |
Markc, If countries A,B,C,D and E are the only countries in the world stage and they fight eachother in a world battle, and E is totally destroyed and after the war there is a peace period followed by another world war, in this second world war only countries A,B,C and D exist without E. It is still considered a world war. LETS PROVE THE PROPHECIES WRONG!!! Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 834 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please lets stick to the topic-Thanks | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi everyone, Some photos of Lebanon before the destruction can be found here http://www.habeeb.com/lebanon.photos.01.lebanese.homes.houses.html The insane inhumanity must stop! Regards Adam  | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 25 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Tjames, Buy a house, it is a wise move. When 18 it was my pleasure to build my first home in the Redwood trees and by 20 had two in the desirable SF Bay area. From non physical to physical, the unfolding of creation.... BTW with no help from outside sources like parents or relatives. It is perception and being in congruence with the power of the Universe, The Creation. Not a person, a power, that once in line will make all your life unfold making all your dreams come true... Thank you for the movies, will look at them later. Here is one for you... from the Plejarens_are_real_2005@yahoogroups.com newgroup: http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/ Thank you RobG and stormin Norm, for providing it. Concise and to the point, it discribes the technological stagnation created by a named culprit, due to the realatively lucrative business keeping the internal combustion (explosive drive) engine alive. My father created a hydrogen engine in 1957, teflon bearings, it ran 500,000 miles with no appreciable wear, TOP SECRET... My friend created a 52,000 square foot warehouse to develope and manufacture the fuel cell vehicle, ANUVU... money venture capital DENIED... Tesla, developed a way to make energy for the entire world, yet, J. P. Morgan thought, how will I charge the tribes in Africa (just an example, they may be very financially estute) without a meter... Project delayed... cost overruns and no more world wide powerless transmission of energy. Morgan made the ocean crossing generators late and caused the whole project to faulter with a loss for Tesla. The monetary system, the financial system, is not found anywhere else according to Herr Meier, we have to find a peaceful way to transition over. With this technology, it was possible to light the entire ionosphere... Tschüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 12-2005 |
Subject - Question to Rarena(PostNo.25) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Rarena: I find the following quote to be of great interest, would it be possible to share the reference to the source of this, 'according-to-Herr-Meier' - "The monetary system, the financial system, is not found anywhere else according to Herr Meier, we have to find a peaceful way to transition over." -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kiril | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 04-2006 |
That was a question i had in mind to ask Billy.If the plejaren used money.I thought about it and came to the conclusion that it was useless in its conception. From it`s birth,money allowed unlimited increase of richness as well as poverty .That means it brings harmful financial imbalance.That imbalance is the source of the terrible saying " you are what you possess",which relegates the spirit role to a mere piece of s**t. I think the plejaren are aware of the individual and societies needs,and they work together to guarrantee this basic needs of food,work,health,spiritual teachings for anybody.It has to be that way,because it is creational and it is the way how a community survives.Managing and distributing resources.(As well as controling overpopulation). We earthlings have given great importance to green pieces of paper that permit us to break that community rules.Having lots of money takes you to a dominant position.(Quite egoic).And as you all well know,what is egoic is harmful to the spirit. Therefore it would be no surprise that you cannot find such an invention,concept anywere in the universe.Because it is not creational.I imagine if the greys actually have a deal with the US,they are not going to exchange money. :D The greys may not be spiritual but at least they are not stupid.... And of course it should be adviceable/necessary that we abandon this kind of currency system as soon as possible just as Billy says.It leads us anywhere but creation or the creational laws. Saalome dear friends | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 245 Registered: 03-2004 |
According to And Still They Fly, the Plejaren do not use money. (I don't use it very much either! ;-)) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2005 |
Kiril, Am not sure where that exact quote came from, but suffice it to say, (It is my understanding...) there is no monetary system used by the Pljarens and the barter system is the only one used. Have not read all the contacts, but recently have read Contacts 18,215,249,251,257 and most of the free articles provided by FIGU.org, both the German and English websites. As Dyson is someone probably more knowledgeable about the material Billy has provided and Micheal Horn may probably be better to ask than myself. To me it was not that interesting... as money is just another energy system that we have the ability to attract or repel using The Creation. As to creativity money seems to hinder it... Here were a few accessible references that could easily be found: From Semjase to Billy in the 17th Contact when he needed money to carry on his mission. Semjase to Billy, ... To the illogical questions concerning financial help, they should consider that we (Plejarin) have no means of currency as used on Earth. Even if we wanted, we could not satisfy your financial means, which you call "money"... Fortune plays, etc., will never serve, for these are extraordinarily evil... From Contact 215 concerning the use of money by man... 10. It should come to an end that the countries of Earth---even the poorest and most underdeveloped among them--maintain armies that are armed to the teeth and senslessly burn away innumerable sums of money in the billions which could and should be used for the true well being of the people... 18 Earth humans must learn not to solely pursue materialism and money from birth until death, and hence they should not listen just to those who have ammassed political or military power or an emmese fortune. Tschüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 798 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Rarena, Yes, it is true the Plejarens do not have a monetary system as we do on earth. The Plejarens are obligated to work for 2 hours per day in exchange for all the goods, housing etc.. that they require. This work can take place anywhere on there world, since they have the means to transport themselves very quickly  Regards Scott BTW, I believe they live in dome shaped structures which are built from the combination of natural materials. This shape is somewhat natural in nature and provides good resistance to earthquakes. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 248 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, "Spherical or semi-spherical, with a minimum diameter of 21m" according to p.20 of And Still They Fly. I think that everyone here should have this very informative English-language book. (www.theyfly.com) Randy, (and others) could you, in the future, also provide the source URL (and the original German language too) when you paste in excerpts here from our unoffical and unchecked translations? I'm really delighted that this work is useful, but did I really spell it "emmese"? D'oh! I kant evan recognighs wen Englisch is speld rong animoar! :-/ (Not that I ever could.) Cheers! Dyson | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 612 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Dy goede vriend... You got me Laughing In Tears, here... I guess we all do not use money that much these days! WE are all "Addicted" to the monetary paying system of The BEAST. "THE CREDIT CARD"... Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 613 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Tim... Many Thanks for your links to the videos! I was aware of this gentleman(Stanely Meyer)...more than a couple of decades ago. And I did mention him, if I am correct...here on this board or at Pl'sRReal. So, am glad I was not the only one out there.. A friend and me followed his invention back then, up till the day he was murdered, alas, which we had to acknowledge from a small newspaper clipping. And we did suspect that this invention did bring his life into jeopardy. I could never remember his name(I should have just thought of Billy Meier, as Meier being spoken the same as Meyer... ..), but I did recognize his face from the clip. Good for you to have given more information of this gentleman. He made a great "Distinction" between the utilization of (just) WATER and Hydrogen technology..etc. And this, I found very very...amazing. It seems, that it is very difficult to point the finger to his murderers, because his invention was of worldly interest to many. His invention was Truly of great importance and would have ben in advantage for its economical usage. I guess, this was the Greatest FEAR...for all those Power and Money HUNGRY...OIL Barons...of our globe. Imagine just tapping a cup of WATER from your home water-faucet and putting it in your - Stanely Meyer - engine! And very very Environmental Friendly. (sounds FANTASTIC...) Something most OIL Barons would see as being as a "Thorn In The Side" and "Hit Below The Belt"... Edward. | ||
Wall2wall Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 03-2006 |
I just saw "An Inconvenient Truth" narrated by Al Gore, and I have to say that i left the theater thinking 2 things: HOW did this bright, thoughtful leader LOSE the 2000 election? and There's HOPE. Please, if you haven't seen it, go to see this movie. I learned MORE about global warming and overpopulation and enviro-economics than i ever had before. Every few years, an important movie comes along to nudge us a little closer to the paradigm shift needed to save us from ourselves. THis is one of those movies. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2005 |
http://www.savefuel.ca/hydrogen/ | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 04-2003 |
"An Inconvenient Truth" wasn't just narrated by Al Gore. It's based on the global warming power point presentation he put together 30 years ago and has been refining ever since. As one of the world's leading political figures, he's had access over that time to the world's top scientists on global warming. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 172 Registered: 12-2004 |
You Bet Edward, My finals just ended as of now so I am going to devote some time to these types of things. With a Stanly Meier engine it may not be a bad idea to have a v-8. I've only owned small 1.5-2.0 liter 4 cylinder engines, all Honda's so I'm betting it wouldn't be a bad idea to put his engine into a sports car. A Honda S-2000, a big Ol' V-8 truck or what have you. I'm sure it would be more convenient to fill your tank with water less often with 4 cylinder rather than a huge V-8 but if you can use even Salt Water like I heard, than were in buisness!!! However, the amount of water it uses in its processes is miniscule when compared to direct burning of fossil fuels. I do plan on contacting his family soon. I'm also studying Multi-wave Oscillators By George Lakhovsky derrived from Tesla's technology. I just recieved two books on research statistics/ Trigonometric equations/ and building instructions for them. The book is called "The lakhovsky multiple wave oscillator handbook" and another entitled "waves that heal". Have you heard anything negative or positive on these. I'm glad you enjoyed the movies. That's why I posted them. Knowing that people do watch them I will now post good ones I stumble across from now on. Tim Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 846 Registered: 02-2000 |
Who killed the Electric Car? http://www.sonyclassics.com/whokilledtheelectriccar/ My Website | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 06-2005 |
I have not seen the Inconvenient Truth, but I am reading S. Greer book titled "Hidden Truth Forbidden knowledge", and in it Stephen mentiones many world leaders who he has briefed about the issues mentioned in the movie. Amongst them Al Gore, Bill Clinton, Laurence Rockeffeler, Austr. government officials, too many to mention here... it sounds like everyone who needs to know - knows about ET and earth human beings contact, except the gullible population. So What shall we do? Funny how Greer smoothly navigates around the word "Creation". I highly recommend this book. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 849 Registered: 02-2000 |
Melli, He never briefed Clinton or Gore he briefed Clintons CIA director, James Woolsey. My Website | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 103 Registered: 06-2005 |
Norm, OOOpss, a small mistake. But in the book on page 103, the Clintons were discussing the ET matters with senator Jay Rockefeller at the R.'s family ranch after S. Greer assembled the information. | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 06-2005 |
I forgot to mention that Greer sent numerous letters to Clinton in 1995,6,7 also to Al Gore in 1996, and to his scientific advisor, to Prince Charles in 1996, to various UN ambassadors in 1997, to Congress in 1997 and so on... This info. I picked up in Greer second book called "Extraterrestrial Contact". Fascinating... Cheers, | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 854 Registered: 02-2000 |
Everybody can have a UFO conversation. Its a big difference between that & a face to face sit down with Greer. My Website | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 260 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Melli (& others) It pays to remember that Dr. Greer is a devout Baha'i, who dogmatically hints (p.46) that Billy Meier is a “fraud”. Read this: ----- Original Message ----- From: "Raven" <reps@disclosureproject.org> To: "gaiaguys" <gaiaguys@nor.com.au> Cc: "Debbie Foch" <dfoch@disclosureproject.org> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 5:23 AM Subject: DP rep > Dear Dyson and Vivienne: > It has recently come to my attention that your website may contain > information that may not necessarily be in line with what we are trying to > accomplish with the Disclosure Project. You certainly have every right to > do what you want, but we are concerned that it may misrepresent what the > Disclosure Project stands for. > > Given that, if you want to continue your website with its current contents, > we ask that you please disassociate yourself with the Project. You have > been reps for some time and I don't want to really have to do that, but > after much discussion and then a number of complaints from the CSETI members > regarding your push of Billy Meier materials, we will have to ask you to > please step down. > > I wish you all the best on your endeavors. > > Sincerely, > > Raven Killidar > DP reps coordinator Please see: www.gaiaguys.net/CSETI.htm www.gaiguys.net/CSETIneedstoknow.htm It also pays to read very carefully that Greer NOW reveals that when former U.S. President Clinton told him (according to Greer’s previous book, ET Contact) "I can't do it. You can.", that it was not a face-to-face physical meeting nor on the phone. It was on "the astral plane", with Bill’s “astral body”, presumably while they were both "in the dream state". Have you read Vivienne's start on this at the bottom of www.gaiaguys.net/behindthescenes.htm ? And what of THIS which was sent to us as the most recent “Official Disclosure Project Announcement” on 6.6.6 (WINK!) http://www.artofspiritualpeacemaking.com/ FULL of arcane Zionist/Freemason symbolism and evil “I AM” Theosophy/Gnosticism channeling from (you guessed it!) “JESUS”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Please scroll down for “Psychic Dictatorship in America” at the bottom of www.gaiaguys.net/meier.htm Much more to come on this terribly important topic. Don't "believe" ... think. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 799 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please lets stick to the topic of this thread. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 264 Registered: 03-2004 |
OOOPS! Sorry, Scott! I just tend to bat them back with inadequate attention to where I am. Please feel free to move anything like this to a better place if I do it again. I'll try to learn to not do this again in the future. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dyson, It is also kind of a privacy issue to put down people's personal email addresses, as you have in your last comment to Milli and others...leaving them open to identity theft...etc., unless of course, have their explicit approval. Tschüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. PS> Will meditate for peace now... | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 24 Registered: 02-2006 |
Memo00 yes these genetics are not bad however the genetic altering of seeds seems to be for negative purposes.These seeds are designed to grow well and have been adjusted to cope with the pesticides.Their is an attempt to control organic foods which is worrisome.I started eating whole food's(living foods),which contained the enzyme's in correct ratio's for absorbion,well before I discovered the reality of Plejaren humans.This cleared my mind and allowed me to see the poisoning of the masses going on right now with chemical sugars and fat's the body cannot assimilate.Grow your own food if possible is wonderfull,which you quickly discover through improved taste and quality.Memo00 when you add prescription drug's to the mix,well you know.I like avocado's and any idea which E.T race brought the seed's.You have my care as well.Salome Pudd | ||
Rarena New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 10-2005 |
My feeling on fuel cells or some other type of system is hydrogen fuel is the way to go. Since water is the reaction result, that which is burned and then comes out of the exhaust pipe can be taken into an onboard compressor and provide cold water at the dashboard! http://www.hydrogennow.org/HNews/PressReleases/Anuvu/AnuvuPickup.htm Anuvu in Sacramento Ca. is already creating these excellent units which can be placed in vehicles which run on hydrogen. Hydrogen is the most plentiful element in the Universe, so why not use it? It is far better to use than, say, a carcinogenic substance that has to be pumped sometimes 4000 feet up and pollutes the Earth with it's toxic carcinogenic carelessly spilled waste. Not to mention the excellent lubricative properties oil has... for the probability of the idea that it allows continential plates to relieve tension in small doses thereby preventing sudden large subductive movements that have caused earthquakes and tsunamis with devastating results... The Hindenberg always comes up here, it was a nitrate skinned derigible with highly volatile aluminum empregnated rubber (to reflect light and heat) that it is estimated due to a non grounded circuit...caught fire and burned, the hydrogen rose and burned quickly away. There are two schools of thought regarding hydrogen generation, there is the onboard compressor (noisy) that Bullard is working on and then there is the home roof solar cell array that converts sunlight, the main free energy source of the planet, which using a small electolysis unit produces hydrogen, for the vehicles and oxygen for medical facilities or areating the water supply and adding to the earth's abundance... There are people with their entire solar roof which generate enough energy (via hydrogen) to power three fuel cell vehicles for up to 800 miles per day. The vehicles run, zero to sixty in 6.6 seconds, look like BMW's and are silent as a sewing machines. The wheels are the motors so there is twice as much trunk space. Hydrogen is the best energy source... These vehicles run about US$20,000+ each including the electrolysis unit. As to the safety of hydrogen, beyond the obvious oil dependency, the risk of our children developing disease from the carcinogens it forms... Hyrdogen hotter burning than gasoline, yet gasoline is held in plastic containers now days. Hydrogen is safe when in a bottle which is like a dive tank used by scuba divers. The tank has a propulsive force to fly like a slow compressed air rocket but, it is my understanding it will not detonate. It is held high to allow upward burning should a leak occur and is perpendicular to the driver and will not have the explosive force as the same amount of gasoline...as, it is, my understanding, less volatile. The onboard compressor requires less onboard hydrogen, and the metahydride is also a very safe alternative to stored fuel. Another nice fact is the engine in the car you drive now, if it is internal combustion engine, can be coverted to hydrogen with a minor change in the carberator intake hole, a little smaller due to hydrogens higher burning temperature. We all know why hydrogen is not used... why it's so hard for people to start up companies for these kind of cars...it's the oil lobby. Those folks who are heavily invested in oil... Save the oil for the earth and let's find a better propulsion/energy system. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 766 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi, Hydrogen is too volatile, and the processes to make it often times use non-renwable resources and it costs quite a bit to produce. I work for a company that was using Fuel celled vehicles, but the cost of maintaining them became too prohibitive. Scott | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Rarena, Hydrogen may be the cleanest fuel for the environment as the only waste product is water, however, as Scott mentioned, it is too volatile especially in its liquid form. Hydrogen production is very expensive also, in comparison to petroleum. When hydrogen is liquified a large portion is lost and when it is stored in a gaseous state requires very high pressure and a large amount of space. It is prone to leakage due to the small molecule size which is extremely dangerous because hydrogen is much more flammable than petrol and extremely explosive. It wouldn't take long for large scale disasters to occur. If the world were to convert over to hydrogen starting tomorrow it would require a huge amount of energy to produce hydrogen production facilities, new cars, equipment and so forth and that will eat into the already diminshing fossil fuels. Regards Adam | ||
Rarena New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 10-2005 |
The liquid form is about the same as gasoline, and yes, gasoline is volatile and distructive. See the recent CNN report on the Guadalajara disaster. Volatility is determined in gasoline as to the ratio of hydrogen to carbon compounds and the higher ratio of hydrogen makes the gasoline more volatile. Oil has to be pumped up from the earth a distance of several thousands of feet after a four to one sucess ratio of finding the right place (I.E. finding oil) to dig that far. Now- days average of 4000 feet, which is quite a bit more expensive to just get to the production stage. Hydrogen is the most plentiful chemical in the Universe the production stage is in the very air we breath. Luckily we don't breath gasoline vapors too much... yet. Danish scientists have made what they say may be an important step in the direction of safe and inexpensive hydrogen storage. Developed at the Technical University of Denmark, a new hydrogen tablet chemically stores hydrogen in a safe, solid form. The tablet consists of ammonia absorbed in sea salt. Ammonia is produced by a combination of hydrogen with nitrogen from the surrounding air, and the tablet therefore contains large amounts of hydrogen. A chemical catalyst releases the hydrogen when needed. Scientists claim the hydrogen tablet is so safe is could be carried in your pocket. Gasoline containes Sulfer, olefins, E200, E300, T50, T90, MTBE,ethanol,TAME, ETBE,TPA,IPA, NPA, SBA,DIPE and IBA and probably many more complex organic compounds... these are only some of the chemicals the government requires testing of. Simple is better. Gasoline is a very complex substance made up mainly of carbon and hydrogen atoms. Not all the atoms are combined the same way and make it impossible to know their lasting effect on human beings. Any new technology is at first expensive, each having a trial and error period before they are perfected... Rather than being counter productive and saying there is no way...my quest is to get it started as time is running out on oil. Look at the prices... $3.29 a gallon on my last fillup at the pump. Your points are well taken and appreciated greatly. You are helping in our understanding...and eventual global enactment of a new technology... thank you. Thomas Edison, when asked about how he could fail day after day over 2500 times when trying to create a lightbulb said, "I know 2500 ways not to create a lightbulb, what do you know?" We all know the result of his level of persistance. This company Anuvu in California tried to get venture capital to produce these cars on a nationwide scale. I say tried because they have realised the powerful lobby stopping thier goal to produce a new technology. Their car would run like a normal car but use hydrogen generated from solar panels on the roof of your own house and the sun will produce up to 800 miles worth of fuel per day, even on cloudy days. In the suburbs this may not be feasible, but metahydride or that new hyrdogen fuel invented by the Danish may be a possible answer. Oil rigs, oil pipelines, and the people who have invested billions and billions of dollars into these tools of mass production... not to mention the hundreds of thousands of employees based on developing oil based fuel; are the ones who will lose out unless they help develop an alternative technology to keep up with our ever increasing demand. Overpopulation at 7,000,000,000 (Billion) in Dec 2005 according to Herr Meier and friends. Be well, rarena Saalome gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Adam Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hello Rarena, We must find another energy source that is more environmentally friendly and efficient but I think hydrogen is not the way to go. There is a lot of hype surrounding hydrogen now that oil prices are increasing and making the news more often. Another fact about hydrogen is that it needs to be produced, which requires energy, unlike the energy already stored within fossil fuels. For this reason, hydrogen is considered an energy carrier rather than an energy source. In other words, we would need to find another energy source such as solar power, wind power, water power or whatever it may be to use to produce and run a hydrogen economy. Even as an energy carrier hydrogen is not efficient due to its natural volatility, more energy is needed to produce hydrogen than would ever be returned to the user. Other energy alternatives such as solar power, wind power and so on are not efficient at all, at least at the moment, and would not be feasible to implement due to production costs and so forth. Energies should be spent searching for and producing a much more efficient energy source for human beings that cannot be exploited by governments and big businesses, like a free energy. I found this website concerning free energy. http://www.free-energy.cc/ Regards Adam | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 10-2005 |
Guten Tag Adam und Scott... Solar panels on the roof can create energy to release hydrogen from water. The water can be sea water or fresh, whether drinkable or not. There would be no need for fossil fuels in this scenario... Synthetic oil for engine lubrication. Zinc and hydrochloric acid would be another way to produce hydrogen easily. As a kid this was my most favorite way. How much fossil fuel does it take to pump/drill oil four thousand feet? At at an average of only 25% exploratory drilling sucess, that works out to more than 16,000 feet. Probably around $40,000 to $50,000 per month (At 4000 feet not 16,000 exploratory digging) just in electrical costs, not to mention processing fees to produce gasoline by seperatory defractionation which includes all the carcinogenic byproducts (at no extra charge). Which then, has to be processed... The tranfer fees alone would pay for using water, which is more plentiful. Not only is it plentiful it returns to water again. Imagine air pollution a thing of the past... What will that mean to asthma sufferers? The $30,000 cost (which will come down) to install amophous (flexible) solar panels could be paid for with one car/years fuel needs. Getting the double albedo effect which means double sided with a mirror like surface on the bottom reflecting sunlight back up to generate more energy on the bottom. After one year of normal gasoline powered fuel costs there would be no more cost for fuel, unless you used more hydrogen beyond the range your solar array would provide, it's just a matter of intelligent design. There is a gentleman I met at the California Solar Voltaic Alliance monthly meeting that has three of these cars... all running on hydrogen fuel cells. His garage and roof provide enough electricity for all of he and his family's living and driving needs. At the end of the month he has enough left to sell back to the power company which is automatically done. He gets a check rather than a bill every month... He shut off the solar array a couple of days because he used the non amorphous solar cells and needed to fix a short. That month he got a bill of $9. His normal bill was around $129 a month. The amorphous panels roll out from the eve of the roof and are flexible protecting the roof and providing energy. You can shoot them with a gun and they will still work without need for repair. The cost is much less than for the expensive non flexible panels which require frames and extra support to the roof for weight. There is also a Greek island that has this system running all the power for the entire island. You can dream about abundant clean and powerful energy sources that don't yet exist or you can use what we have... It's your choice, either way we will have to pay for it. Tchüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. PS> The World uses 30 Billion barrels of oil per month, just the amount under the Caspian Sea. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 157 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear friends, There are REAL SOLUTIONS to these problems, and they are not wind & sun, they are devices that tap the quantum flux and really ARE "free", just STRONGLY suppressed. Please scroll down our front page @ www.gaiaguys.net or go to www.disclosureproject.org or www.cheniere.org THIS is the "free energy from space" that Ptaah mentioned in 1990 on the 238th contact. 410. Um deiner Frage jedoch gerecht zu werden, darf ich dir erklären, dass unsere Vorfahren das Prinzip der Elektronenenergie entdeckten, die auf allen Planeten und Gestirnen sowie in allen Lebensformen ebenso vorhanden ist wie auch in unerschöpflicher Form im gesamten Universum. 410. Ptaah: "In order to answer your question properly, may I explain to you that our forefathers uncovered the principle of electron energy that is available on all planets and stars as well as in all life forms, as it also is in inexhaustible form in the entire universe." www.gaiaguys.net/CSETIneedstoknow.htm And there is a more recent mention here: www.gaiaguys.net/www.gaiaguys.net/meier.elu.p169,192,280-282.htm Anything other than this ... hydrogen, etc. is more disinformation and unworkable nonsence. BTW, this message is 100% solar powered! :-) www.gaiaguys.net/socells.htm Salome, Dyson | ||
Technod Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hi again So the problem with Iran and others seeking nuclear energy could be eliminated if the disclosure of these" energy from space" would be implemented. wars over energy should fall directly on the heads of those that keep this energy secret.! peace b brian | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi, Am not too familiar with this format and including the Meier information, which for many years it was my belief, fiction. Am very interested as to any way, shape or form produced in order to solve this problem of diminishing energy resources. As to this suppressed technology mentioned previously what is it? Is it Tachyon, Nuclear Fusion, NPolar, Scaler, String Theory, Zero Point energy, perpetual motion… what? It would be great to find a new technology. But if it is suppressed, there is nothing we can do except find something that works, we are forced to be re-active rather than pro-active and nothing gets done. When a problem arises for me... Nature is an immense teacher. The Sun, our main power source on Earth… uses hydrogen, or that is the current popular belief to fuel itself and produces 386 billion megawatts per second by converting Hydrogen to Helium via nuclear fusion. The Sun comprises 99.8% of the solar system with Jupiter composing most of the rest. The Sun is the Earth’s greatest energy source that we know of. Even oil is only stored sunlight from ancient forests, and what devastated those forests so quickly that they instantly were buried? Even the hydrothermal vents in the deep ocean were once part of that primordial disk: a piece of the Sun at one time. So every bit of energy we get, is solar… in some way or another. The technology of the Earth is based on this of course, until another source can be found. So, by using Nature as a teacher, and our most plentiful resource, the Sun exhibits this very process (A.I. Hydrogen fusion). The Meier data referenced by Dyson has not been my experience to read, but would love to read the whole thing as to not take it out of context. Context and content can easily be smudged without accurate data. This is where interpretation... not translation becomes critical. They are not the same. We use Latin because it is a dead language and the interpretation is fixed. The Swiss German dialect since it is spoken by relativly few, is somewhat fixed and usable for interpretation. If a Polish interpreter translates Russian many of the verbs and adjectives are considered vulgar as in the case with President Jimmy Carter commenting in years past on the Russian leaders wife… Interpretation. Fusion and Fission are not the same creature. Fusion has been going on in our Solar system for millennia. It is amazing, elegant and works. Most opponents against hydrogen think hydrogen power will be eliminated automatically like… “phftitt” by natural selection…no more hydrogen vehicles… It is the mistake that hinders our advancement by believing in superstition …or a belief rather than learning from the mistake thereby gaining knowledge. There are no mistakes only learning experiences. Gnostic means knowledge. Like the people who believe that the spirit that enlivens “Billy” , (being very careful here…) is the same spirit as a person whose birthday many celebrate to this day …over two thousand years since his actual birth… being named Jesus. The spirit was Jimmanual, Enoch, Elisha, Jeramiah, Isaah, Mohammad and now Billy, but NEVER Jesus. It is probably a belief perpetrated by a disinformation campaign. Jimmanual knew via his advanced connections that this would be so, although he was never named Jesus in that lifetime near two thousand years ago. The Romans, it is my understanding from reading, and it may be grossly incorrect, but placed here as an example... built Bethlehem as sort of a “Disneyland” for Christians whose suppressed religion could be enjoyed freely after hundreds of years of persecution and horrible punishment. The Original Temple on the Mount was removed brick by brick and all plant life killed for ten miles in diameter so the original site could not be found and worshiped. So the faithful (purpetrated by belief, rather than knowledge) go to church and worship a guy or the spirit of a man whom they believed died on the cross and did not escape to India, marry and have several children to die a peaceful natural death many years later. One is belief, the other is knowledge. One is truth, one is false or maybe both are false because the past is past presented to us by some not so well intentioned folks.... and, the future, is our intention. If our intention is based on fighting the “Romans” in this analogy, against those that suppress our salvation (energy)… then we are spinning our wheels by preparing for conflict. On the other hand, by pursuing our need for fuel or energy together, we advance in the correct general direction. Which direction? Consult nature… If we don’t know, that is a belief, kind of like superstition... like, we are the center of the Uni verse (the One Song in Latin)etc, that type of thinking. If we do know, and learn from our experience than we can work with that. By being opposed to anything, we are preparing for conflict, belief rather than knowledge. We cannot simultaneously prepare for and be against anything. All we can do is survey the facts that we have at our disposal and do the very best we can together. Saalome. There is no them… only us. War is the need to be right on a country wide,} political level. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 166 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Rarena, Just a couple of points, if I may. You write, "... what devastated those forests so quickly that they instantly were buried?" It's my understanding that the conventional wisdom that this process actually took eons is correct. "The Swiss German dialect since it is spoken by relatively few, is somewhat fixed and usable for interpretation." There seems to be some confusion among many people that Billy does not communicate in High German. He does. Beautifully. Actually, Wendelle Stevens misleadingly remarked in his (otherwise) excellent March 2006 presentation at the International UFO Congress that Billy's language was not high German - which of course conversationally, it isn't - and people may have thought that Wendelle was referring to the contact notes, which do indeed contain some rather obscure figures of speech which provide a bit of work for Vivienne and me. But they are all excellent High German, which is a beautiful language (destined to be Earth’s common tongue) and the interpretational difficulties come in English, which is now so screwy that nobody knows the difference between, say, humility (bad) and modesty (good) or pity (bad) and compassion (good). Trying to communicate in English is like trying to nail a custard pie to the wall. And – in a good example of unwitting Americocentrism – Wendelle also repeatedly refers to the Swiss FIGU folks as, “the Germans”, which is far more offensive to the Swiss than it would be for USAmericans to be called “English”. :-) Regarding sources of free energy … mostly we’re talking Quantum Zero-point, but the more you look the more sources you’ll find. I am particularly fascinated by magnetogravitics. (www.gaiaguys.net/masons.vacuons.htm) I suggest that Tom Bearden (www.cheniere.org) is perhaps the best place to get started with your research. Free energy is easier than we thought. And in fact, it's already being retailed. (www.gaiaguys.net/Minato.htm) Who says there’s no such thing as a free lunch? Creation is not only loving and just, it is also unimaginably generous. If we only knew it. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dyson, Thanks for the information... am currently observing some of the sympathetic vibratory physics of John Ernst Worrell Keely and Max Chladni, where a mass chord is played and a platform becomes suspended and driven with no acceleration vectoring and the various effects of rapid direction change were somehow averted. The instantly buried forests referenced earlier were from my direct observation of Mammoths being unearthed in Alaskan oilfields with grass and buttercups of a vastly different climatic zone, still green in their mouths. Oil is found where fossils are, and fossils don't often get covered over gradually. Didn't Billy mention a higher frequency of comets hitting the earth than thought of and the planets of which a piece exhibiting a complex orbit... a second hidden moon distantly following Earth? This also coincides with Zacaria Sitchens' findings http://www.sitchin.com/ about a former planet where the asteroid belt is... the hammered bracelet... Niemus and Marduc (sp) colliding with Earth and creating the moon(s). As to the Universe being generous... that's the thing about infinity... Scarcity is only given when that is searched for... We get back from the creational what we give to it... As Joseph Campbell used to say... Eternity is not the hereafter, this is it! If you don't see it here, you won't see it anywhere... and Einstein: You can tell a lot about a person by his connection to infinity. As to the dichotomies... Bad Good, Pity Compassion, those are of the mind, the "monkey brain" as it were... and are sloughed off when using the pathways of the higher, more spiritual mind. The law of cause and effect as often mentioned by Michael Horn http://www.theyfly.com/newsletter/may06/may06.htm is what makes such an idea as a "free lunch", incorrect. We reap what we sow... and the free lunch is somehow paid for later on. Billy and his arm… and the spirit that enlivens his previous life as Jimmanual and the Romans. Thank you for the great website and interpretations of the Semjase/Meier material by yourself and Vivienne; we all benefit and appreciate your work... Sincerely, Saalome, Randy Arena ô¿ô | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Randy Arena, "As to the dichotomies... Bad Good, Pity Compassion, those are of the mind, the "monkey brain" as it were... and are sloughed off when using the pathways of the higher, more spiritual mind." What do you mean by using "the higher, more spiritual mind?" "...humility (bad) and modesty (good) or pity (bad) and compassion (good)..." As far as I'm concerned, these words have perfectly understandable meanings and are perfectly clear to me - perhaps because I've been speaking English for almost all my life. Perhaps its connection to German is strange and not directly translatable from one language to another. For example the word "angst" in German has a much softer meaning than it does in English, and can basically be classified as not the appropriate word for the translation. I know that English is a very very picky language and has archaic rules which are most of the time unclear, make no sense and have no other point to them except for use of tradition. Humility is associated with self-effacement and is a passive approach to things, therefore violating one's own rights and consequently damaging oneself and producing anger and resentment in oneself which can sometimes be directed outwards towards other people if not kept in check. That is why it is bad. Modesty is good because it has an effect of respect for oneself as well as others without the need for self-aggrandizement and objectification of other people. Pity is bad because you see the reciever of your emotion as a poor, hopeless useless person who cannot help themselves when in reality we are all responsible for our actions, inactions, thoughts, behaviours, and attitudes. Compassion is good because it engages our as you call it "higher" levels and brings forth our true humanity. Compassion is the cornerstone of being human because through it we connect to each other and consequently it becomes clear and evident to us in an undescribable and deep way that we are all part of Creation. A very small part. We cannot have any more insights into the laws of Creation without Compassion. And what do you mean by the "monkey brain"? We humans do not have a monkey brain. Do you mean the reptilian brain, or our amygdala? The higher finctions in our brains are engaged by other parts of the cortex such as the neo and prefrontal, responsible for our more comlex actions and thinking patterns. The spirit, which is housed in the brain, works hand-in-hand with these centres and develop the individual higher and higher morally and spiritually the more one exercises it, so nobody really has a "monkey brain". We have different centres in our brain, and of course, different levels of development which should be respected. Sincerely, Saalome, Sonik.} | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Sonik, This is getting away from the idea of the environment, but our environment is physical and the super "biocomputer" we all use to perceive our environment... it's ability to perceive without prejudice, makes it necessary to include an explanation here. First, there is no belittling or teasing of anyone here, about mental ability, or anything else for that matter...so you can rest assured about that. Obviously most people here are advanced enough to know there is some truth in these forums and everyone should be commended for trying to improve themselves in this way learning about this facinating wealth of information. Thank you Scott and everyone involved... My intentions are peaceful, to preserve well being and not to create disharmony. The monkey brain, the ego, the more animal part of us, that has kept the body away from danger via the fight or flight response has been around for eons. It is re-active rather than pro-active, and reacts rather than thinking ahead, creating it's own peaceful reality... By noticing when we are using dichotomies, such as hot or cold, light or dark, it is using this physical brain. The physical brain is divided into two halves: like the dicotolydons of a plant or bean. The spritual mind works from a place of knowing, such as darkness being the absence of light. It is in congruance with, rather than separate from. Wholly, rather than divided into smaller separate parts. It is multitasking and creative, genius-like in its detail. There is no darkness, only an absence of light. When you turn off the light in your room, there is no, "negative electricity" going through the wire... there is NO electricity going through the wire. You don't villify chocolate just because you like vanilla... Dichotomies... It is what starts all the wars in the world. People using their ego, finding fault, blame and being offended. The ego is a very strong combatant which at this moment may be asking, is this guy for real? It is the piedly little part of us, but thinks it is infinite and better and demands more respect etc. The need to be right starts as a disagreement, a debate and then quickly becomes a fight. "It was $9.98, No it wasn't... it was $5.98, you never get anything right..." and, if left to continue... turns into an arguement leading to a separation or divorce or, if on a country wide level: War. Over nothing it can start, but get deadly and life threatening very fast. How to get out of that? you may ask... "You're right about that. I never quite thought of it in that way..." end of argument... Light and dark are an analogy of consciousness. The higher and faster frequency cancels out and nullifies the lower and slower frequency. By using a higher consciousness, it more closely represents spiritual thinking. Not so much ego based, but more service oriented. Kind of like, what Billy does for us. He had the ability to go onto the non physical, spirtual realms but vowed to stay with us until each and every one of us gets there first. Thanks Herr Meier... Service oriented. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you. The interesting thing is, the spirit is infinite so... could not be housed in the brain which is finite. Although you can fit an unlimited (infinite) amount of thoughts, non physical thoughts... in that organ the size of a grapefruit. It is a paradox when viewed from the three dimensions. Where does the body end the the Universe begin? We all have this ego, which protects the body from danger. Now that we are all increasing in consciousness we see there is a higher realm of thought cresting over the horizon. The ego spends it's time trying to convince us it is in control and will fight us and say this really isn't right and be offended, shamed and blame others for the way it makes us feel, but those are the lower and slower emotions that keep us apart from higher consciousness. My role here is not to be right. In fact, this forum is a good way to check the feasibility of ideas. So if I'm not right, you'll notice I didn't say wrong, because it is all a learning experience, let me know. You can't offend me and I will never blame another for feeling bad. There are no mistakes, only learning experiences. If you allow another to offend you, it is giving over your power to them. Why would you want to do that? Why would you care what another person feels about you? That is outside of you and therefore not within your control. In a crowd of a thousand people, there are a thousand different opinions of who you are. So you take this person who you blame for your emotional disharmony... to the doctor, so YOU can get better, no... that's absurd, we know this. If you base your happiness on what another's opinion of you is, then you may have a long wait before they change to please you. But, on the other hand, if you know that there are no mistakes, only learning experiences and take the "bull by the horns" so to speak and take responsibility for your actions and thoughts... you can change the way you feel instantanously: infinite patience brings immediate results. Just because another person calls you stupid, does not make you stupid, it is only that person's need to judge. We cannot get behind the eyeballs of another person and see what they see and feel what they feel nor can we decree what level another person is at or should we judge them in any way. We can only be responsible for our own actions and integrity. True nobility is not being better than anyone else, we can only be better than we were before. Saalome, gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. rarena ô¿ô | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2006 |
Dear Rarena, Yes, you are right. I agree with you in every respect. These are matters that earth humanity has only begun to discover. As closely back as just the last generation, the people didn't even actually understand or know what abuse was. It wasn't in their vocabulary and was a common practice. Earth humanity is still in its primitive stages despite all our advances. Modern psychology can help us in this bit to improve our understanding, but it is only the tip of the iceberg. I am getting seriously off topic here, discussing something in the wrong section. I hope we can continue this discussion elsewhere in the forum at another time... I had some concerns about the environment. I noticed and was disturbed to see that this winter in Canada we had extremely mild weather without a single snowstorm and some days were even very summer-like. How about in other parts of the world? What have the past 8 months of weather been like? I started to really worry because, I thought, what would the summer weather be like if the winter was like this? I think we are coming to a change and it is happening very quickly where we cannot stop the runaway greenhouse effect from speeding up and eventually turning this planet into another pressure-cooker oven among the countless desolate rocks of our solar system. How has the weather been in other parts of the world? Overly mild like here in Canada, overly cold or overly sunny? Our summer of 2005 was one of the hottest on record and this last winter was the mildest in recorded history. What are your predictions for the coming summer, or in other words, the next 6-8 months, for anyone who feels they are able to? I am very concerned and as far as I see it, if we don't do something now, we are seriously gonna have trouble paying our debts to Mother Earth in the coming years and are going to greatly suffer for it. Anyone come across any valuable research in the last few days to help us come to a prediction?? | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 176 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Randy, Thank you for your erudite and thought-provoking email. Always nice to meet another Campbell fan! And thank you also for your kind words about our work. The physics you describe has been brought to my attention before. If I could make some more time, I’d love to know more about it, but I think my attention is required elsewhere. Have you looked into magnetogravitics? www.gaiaguys.net/masons-vacuons.htm Certainly there has been a long history of cosmic collisions and catastrophes that the 20th Century was loathe to accept due to the scientists of that time being so enamored of a nice (delusionally!) stable and secure universe where “God” had set things in motion and all was well with the cosmos at least, even if there was hell on Earth. We (collectively) are only now awakening from this stupid mindset. I just wanted to make a remark or two about dichotomies. Several years ago my life was difficult (www.gaiaguys.net/VG_page.htm) and I found comfort in quantitative monism. It was easy to see how Advaita Hinduism provided succor for those (3rd World) others who more traditionally found being masters of their own fate difficult in practice. There’s a little here: www.gaiaguys.net/sin.htm I identified plurality as “merely an illusion of the senses” and it DID help me cope. But now I understand that this is an over-reaction to unbridled materialism, and falls into the category of positive degeneration. We are now taught, in the renewed teachings, that Creation is neutral, but is manifest in polarities. We are Spirit in bodies (not bodies with a spirit inside) but to see the material realm as somehow unreal is another one of those old false religious teachings, like Matthew changing Jmmanuel’s “Lillys of the Field” sermon in chapter six: “34. "No one can serve two masters; either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will adhere to the one and despise the other. 35. "You cannot serve your spirit and mammon. 36. "Therefore, I say to you, concern yourself about the knowledge of your spirit, and besides that with what you will eat and drink, and be concerned about your body and how you will clothe it. 37. "For are not the spirit, life and body more important than all the treasures of the world? 38. "The human spirit, which is thirsting for truth and knowledge, is incapable of preserving its earthly life without the body, because both body and spirit together are one. 39. "Thus you should be concerned about increasing your knowledge for your spirit's sake, about the laws of life and about food, drink and clothing for your body. 40. "Look at the birds in the sky: they do not sow, they do not reap, they do not store their food in barns, and yet Creation feeds them. 41. "Are you not much more than they? 42. "Look at the birds in the sky: they devour the harmful insects, and they have plumage for clothing, yet they have no spirit capable of ongoing evolution. 43. "They work to fulfill their duty, and they are fed and clothed by Creation. 44. "Are you not much more than they? 45. "You can think independently through your free consciousness; you can work independently and you can prepare food and drink and clothe your bodies independently. 46. "Behold the lilies in the marsh as they grow: they neither toil nor spin, yet truly, I say to you, the lilies also fulfill their mission, when they give pleasure to the eye with their beauty. 47. "I tell you, even Solomon in all his splendor was not arrayed as one of these. 48. "Creation nourishes and clothes the grass in the field, which today is standing and tomorrow is thrown into the stove. Should not you then do much more for yourselves? 49. "The grass fulfills its mission by serving as fodder and fuel; but are you not of much greater value than grass, oh you of little knowledge? 50. "Therefore, you shall care for the wisdom and knowledge of your spirit, and take care that you do not suffer from lack of food, drink and clothing. 51. "Truly, I say to you, if you suffer from hunger, thirst and nakedness, then wisdom and knowledge will be crowded out by worry. 52. "First seek the realm of your spirit and its knowledge, and then seek to comfort your body with food, drink and clothing. 53. "Therefore, take care for the next day, for tomorrow will not take care of you by itself. 54. "It is enough that each day has its own troubles, therefore you must not also be at the mercy of the need for your physical welfare." This is quite different to, “let God clothe and feed you”, and reminds us that we do live in two worlds … the spiritual AND the physical. Each is necessary to make us whole. At least until Arahat Athersata! :-) All words are reductionistic by their very nature, but we are now taught that it is WORDS which make us human. Of all the (other) animals, we ALONE can communicate the lessons of the spirit verbally. And that is what I try to do. Words are very important, as they stand for ideas, the power of which is underestimated AT OUR PERIL. The word Billy uses to describe the power of thought (ideas) is “ungeheuerlich” (lit. “monstrous”). And on that note, Cheers! Dyson | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear Dyson, The idea was to drop the lower animal, egoist, materialist, psyche and get away from comparisons, egoistic dualities and to be "for" rather than "against" ANYTHING. All of us going in one direction so to speak. As to the Bible references, since there are at least forty one different renditions it can be said that there have been "some" manipulations as to the content for sure... Not one of them is written in Aramaic... Well, the documents Billy "found" in 1963 were in Aramaic and probably should have been part of the Bible. The idea was to get away from things being "wrong" rather than ways of increasing the energies of us... as a whole (wholly)so we would see the errors of our ways. People can be manipulated by words, for sure, but that is not the intention here. The intention is for peace and harmony and hey, higher faster...energy. There are several layers to the human form. It can be analogized (is that a word?) as relative energies measured in frequecies. 1.) The body, the most dense and least expansive. 2.) Sound, singing is a higher more expansive frequency. 3.) Light, the speed of light and higher yet. 4.) Thought, Billy can contact Arahat Athersata or we can invision that Galaxy and come back, far faster than light! Or we can go, in our minds to the Center of the Milky way and back with a thought in a split second. 5.) Spirit. The highest, most expansive frequency. When inline with this... you become inspired, multitasking becomes easy and well being and inner peace are the norm. No limitations. Open to everything attached to nothing. The spirit, being infinite connects to the mind which, in the three dimensions, is finite. So thinking in three dimensions is difficult to KNOW which direction to go in. It is not physical. We live in a Universe, a Uni Verse, one song in Latin... To me, that means we are one, in harmony with each other... enjoying and helping each other. By feeling separate, at any time... it means you are moving away from harmony, dissonance causes peturbations in the frequency and everyone else feels what those in disharmony feel. Although the more aligned with spirit the less permanently effected. What we do effects others and vice versa. When you realize that we are all one, and that by helping others, we are also helping ourselves... you tend to think of them even before yourself. We all experience cause and effect in the lower and slower frequencies and that was the reference to Billy and his arm. Even though he has helped thousands and thousands of people reach the goal of Arahat Athersata where he was once destined yet turned down for us to get there first. Some may say that this is a misinterpretation to the laws of cause and effect but cause and effect does not need any help... like gravity does not need help... It is going to happen again and again until we learn. Even if the spirit that enlivens the body of Billy Meier is one of the most advanced spiritual powers of this planet. Saalome, gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. rarena ô¿ô PS> When you find this mode of consciousness... your thoughts break all their bonds, your consciousness expands in all directions, your mind trancends limitations... You discover a world of peace and contentment and everything falls into place... Dormant forces, faculties and talents come alive and you discover yourself to be a greater person, by far, than you ever dreampt yourself to be... Patajali ~300BC | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 182 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Randy, Interesting, and approaching the edge of the power of words, but what I understand of it I like. I think the Plejaren have a different concept of frequency and matter to the one you express. But just a note ... Billy has (absolutley uniquely) BEEN to Arahat Athersata and has chosen to return for another 60 - 80 billion years of incarnations, which is why he's so lonely. Imagine having been a discarnate "we-form" and then coming back to Earth? :-( Please see: www.gaiaguys.net/nokodemion.htm Cheers! Dyson | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 10-2005 |
Saalome to all... So what other readily usable technology is available today? They are here, but what are the details... the specifics? Http://world.honda.com/FuelCell/ ? There must be someone here that knows of a viable source of energy that will not increase the planetary loading and cause an ice age. We are close, someone out there has an answer. Let's make it work. Show the people of Earth a way to live peacefully lets make a thousand years of peace. Have heard about over-unity engines being used in Vietnam and such, will someone step forward and declare a working model viable? Let's find the best energy producer and go from there. Got the idea from Dyson on magnetogravitics www.gaiaguys.net/masons-vacuons.htm and have one of the Larry Spring motors. MHD... Metahydrodyhnamics used in submarines is another idea... Many technologies may be viable, lets find the best. We need real world solutions that work in harmony with the Earth... Maybe it is not the time... anyone know? What do the prophecies say about this? Am not too familiar with this material. Am just learning. Thank you... Saalome, gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. rarena ô¿ô PS> Contemplate yourself as already surrounded by the conditions you intend to create. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi again, Michael Horn's most recent newsletter (www.theyfly.com) picked up a recent post of mine here which touches on some specifics of the free energy issue, but let the buyer beware, as Tom Bearden, like Billy&Co., seems to engage in some safety-related self-debunking (as does gaiaguys) and not everything on his site (or anywhere!) should be read as gospel. It seems there are problems with Lutec as well, (www.gaiaguys.net/minato.htm) but I've yet to find out where, given the massive disinfo and DDT jobs going on now from The Ruling Elite. www.gaiaguys.net/DP-DDT.htm Really, the Disclosure Project - in spite of their problems with FIGU - is absolutely required reading if you want to know about the suppression of these devices, and www.cheniere.org is great for the technical detail. Our vile (Master Mason - Keeper of The Secret) Australian Prime Minister says, "Nothing in this world is free, and that's as it should be." I say (indeed sing loudly) "THE BEST THINGS IN LIFE ARE FREE!" Cheers! Dyson | ||
Junior Member Post Number: 82 Registered: 12-2004 |
Dear Sonik, Related to your post number 40 Since you were asking yourself about what the weather is like in other parts of the world. Here is what I have seen in my part of the world, I have been in Saudi for about 1 year and three months, the last few months was very different compared to the same time last year. The main noticeable difference is that there are a lot of sand storms, much more than I experienced last year, its kind of on a weekly basis. Quite a few times one can even taste the sand inside the house. The winter wasn’t very unusual but I wonder how the summer will be. I am at this point near the middle of the Arabian Peninsula, specifically Riyadh the capital of Saudi Arabia. It’s a very dry place, because its far away from the sea and located at a high altitude. Peace to all, and one Love Junior | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 10-2005 |
Dear readers, The solar PV (Photo Voltaic) Alliance is a group dedicated to solar research and development. Below is one of their newsletters and information for using the fission reactions provided by the Sun. Maybe the "real" source of energy is being kept from us, but here is one right out in the open for all to see. Creation as told by Billy Meier is pure truth, there is no hiding pure truth, it has no opposite and will always be... the Sun is visable everyday, well almost... It is the most logical alternative and it can produce fuel for our needs. We can believe in conspiracy theories all day long, but if we can find something that works now, lets use it. It's clean and there is no middleman with a grudge or quest for power involved. Amporphous solar panels, the flexible ones are much more effective and long lasting than the old crystal ones. They can be shot with a gun and still work, the old crystal types have a short and every single connection and solder joint must be checked. Here's the letter, join the alliance use the energy of the Sun. Live in Peace. 8888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888 SOLAR DECATHLON OPEN HOUSE AND FILM PREMIER Thursday, May 25th, 4 to 6 (open house) and 6 to 7 (film) Students, faculty, staff and the community are invited to attend an open house of Cal Poly's Solar Decathlon house on Thursday, May 25th, from 4 to 6pm. The house is located next to the Foundation Warehouse in parking lot H-1 on Mt. Bishop Road. The open house will be followed the the world premier of the film "Solar Decathlon 2005: A Solar Village on the National Mall" at 6pm in the Business School Rotunda, 3-213, Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. Solar Cal Poly, a team of students and faculty from Cal Poly took 2nd place in the "architecture" and "dwelling" contests, and 3rd place overall in the 2005 Solar Decathlon, an International competition to design, build and operate the best solar-powered home. They joined 17 other teams from the U.S., Canada, Puerto Rico and Spain who transported their homes to the National Mall to compete in this ten-part contest. The film, produced by The Rahus Institute, follows the Cal Poly team as they design, build, and truck their 100% Solar Home across the country to the nation's capitol. Additional information is posted online at www.californiasolarcenter.org map & logistics http://www.californiasolarcenter.org/pdfs/ssh/SolarD05-FilmPremiere.pdf http://www.californiasolarcenter.org/pdfs/ssh/SolarD-CalPoly-OpenHouse%2BFilmMap.pdf Please join us if you can. The Film will be available as DVD in 4-6 weeks. Looking forward, Tor -- Tor Allen The Rahus Institute/ Martinez, California ph: 925-370-7262/ fax: 925-889-2322/ tor@rahus.org http://www.rahus.org Free subscription to Solar e-Clips available at... http://www.californiasolarcenter.org Solar Schoolhouse - Education Energized by the Sun http://www.solarschoolhouse.org Tschüs... rarena ô¿ô Saalome gam naan uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona. Peace be on Earth, and among all beings. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Rarena, Sounds nice! I'm not sure if I can attend, I don't have a house that runs on solar power, heck, I don't even own a house! But, what I do own is a couple movies and movie clips which show a man named Stanely Meyer... who created a car that runs on WATER!!!! who lived 1 block from my house in Columbus Ohio and I didn't even know it. At the time 2001 I was still in highschool so I wasn't into much researching in those days it wasn't until after Sept. 11th. This fella was poisoned supposidly by a glass of wine by a group related to petrolium investments. His car uses water which splits apart the oxygen and Hydrogen atoms for a gas that can run in your vehicle. This movie i'm about to give you guys was probably in the mid to late 90's, there's two of his and another great movie about using water. Also, Me and a buddy are planning on visiting his relatives this month to find some information about him and his inventions. We dont' expect to find a prototype or blueprints, however these things have a way of coming out when people whom seek truth look. Anyway, on the topic of alternative fuels check this out... My condolences to this man. He gave his life for this technology.... Movie: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3333992194168790800&q=water+car+inventor+murdered Movie 2: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1992629256196958115&q=free+energy Patent: http://www.rexresearch.com/meyerhy/meyerhy.htm#raum This is another guy who uses water with electrolysis which is quite amazing and can be used for automobiles, electricity, gas and home energy. The atomic power of hydrogen but with the stability of water. Much safer than just hydrogen. PERHAPS THIS IS WHAT PROPHECIES SPEAK ABOUT WHEN THEY SAY AN ABUNDANT SOURCE OF FUEL WILL BE DISCOVERD... however, this could be O-POINT the meier material speaks of. Anyway here is probably the best transistion fuel that can EASILY be adapted to most piston engines.. Movie: http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/WaterFuel.wmv Website: http://hytechapps.com/applications/HHOS.htm Salome gam nan been urrda gan njjber hasala hesporona! | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 03-2004 |
Iceland the First Country to Try Abandoning Gasoline Hot Water Heats Homes, Businesses; Hydrogen Fuel Oil Powers Cars, Buses Publication Date:18-January-2006 09:00 PM US Eastern Timezone Source:ABC News REYKJAVIK, Iceland— Iceland has energy to spare, and the small country has found a cutting-edge way to reduce its oil dependency. Volcanoes formed the island nation out of ash and lava, and molten rock heats huge underground lakes to the boiling point. The hot water — energy sizzling beneath the surface — is piped into cities and stored in giant tanks, providing heat for homes, businesses and even swimming pools. The volcanoes melted ice, which formed rivers. The water runs through turbines, providing virtually all the country's electricity. Iceland wants to make a full conversion and plans to modify its cars, buses and trucks to run on renewable energy — with no dependence on oil. Water Turned Into Fuel Iceland has already started by turning water into fuel — hydrogen fuel. Here's how it works: Electrodes split the water into hydrogen and oxygen molecules. Hydrogen electrons pass through a conductor that creates the current to power an electric engine. Hydrogen fuel now costs two to three times as much as gasoline, but gets up to three times the mileage of gas, making the overall cost about the same. As an added benefit, there are no carbon emissions — only water vapor. In the capital, Reykjavik, they are already testing three hydrogen-powered electric buses. The drivers are impressed. "I like these buses better because with hydrogen you get no pollution," said bus driver Rognvaldur Jonatanlson. By the middle of this century, all Icelanders will be required to run their cars only on hydrogen fuel, meaning no more gasoline. "If we make hydrogen and use that as a fuel for transportation then we can run the whole society on our own local renewable energy sources," said Marie Maack of the Hydrogen Research Project. Icelanders say they're committed to showing the world that by making fuel from water, it is possible to kick the oil habit. http://www.fuelcellsworks.com/Supppage4338.html | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 04-2003 |
Interesting article Hunter. For awhile I have been wondering what was meant in Contact 251 where it is stated "...Man will avail himself of a new energy source by exploting the Earth's interior energies." Your article may have provided the answer. Where it is stated: "Hydrogen fuel now costs two to three times as much as gasoline...", I wonder if that is based on fossil fuels being used to heat the water to drive the turbines to produce the electricity to charge the electrodes. But, if the hot water to drive the turbines is essentially free, the hydrogen is likewise free. However, I recall Billy saying hydrogen is too dangerous to be pursued as an alternative fuel. But too dangerous compared to what? | ||
Hunter Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 03-2004 |
* I recall Billy saying hydrogen is too dangerous to be pursued as an alternative fuel. But too dangerous compared to what? Yes, I've thought the same thing. Especially if you consider the fact that it would greatly lessen the impact of the Middle East in political events--events which could easily grow into a third world war. Most neoconservatives always point to the need for the U.S. to be involved in the Middle East to keep oil prices down--obviously they lose their major argument for intervention if oil is no longer a factor in our energy needs. But I'm sure the hydrogen fuel cells in automobiles could be dangerous in a traffic accident/collision. The question is could engineers find a way to design the vehicles so as to minimize this risk. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 12-2004 |
Honda announced January 6, 2006 that in 3 to 4 years they will be producing/manufacturing FCX vehicles in America. http://world.honda.com/news/2006/4060108FCX/ | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 571 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Jojo, Hunter and Tjames.. Hydrogen (Latin: hydrogenium, from Greek: hydro: water, genes: forming) Yes, it does speak for itself, that Hydrogen, in any manner composed, is very dangerous to utilize in any shape or form. Thus, Billy is correct in this sense. We all know what happen in the past with the Zeppelin - The Hindenberg -, not? Thus, any type of mechanism that utilizes a Hydrogen based composition can truly generate a tremendous explosion...when any type of collision plays part(if One thinks in greater terms: Think of the Hydrogen Bomb!). Its highly diatomic gas inflammability is just too obvious...then that of Helium (known as a Noble Gas), which is now utilized in airships today. Edward. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 12-2005 |
I disagree : Edward - Saturday, January 28, 2006 - 01:36 am: "Yes, it does speak for itself, that Hydrogen, in any manner composed, is very dangerous to utilize in any shape or form." The main problem with hydrogen is storage and distribution - at least when it comes to safety. In recent times two promising solutions have been developed to this problem: -The use of nano-porous materials(including carbon-nanotubes) -Metal hydrides/+Hydride slurry There are others but I consider these to be the safest and most effective - technologically and economically. In combination with fuel cell technology it becomes clear that hydrogen can be produced, managed and used in a safe and efficient manner, especially when considering the pace of development of the aforementioned technologies. Another safe way to go, and case against the assertions made by Edward in the quote I provided, instead of fuel cells ,is to use plasma-based technologies(remembering that plasma is the fourth state of matter) for electrical power generation - in this case hydrogen or any hydrogen based gas, from which the plasma arises, is of no significant risk. As a secondary consideration the technology is much more efficient and cheaper. Two very promising examples of this type of technology include : - The Focus Fusion Reactor - The Pulsed Abnormal Glow Discharge(PAGD) Reactor [Wondering if hydrogen can be used in Implosion based technologies.] ---- Kiril | ||
Jo_jo Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 04-2003 |
Another major factor with hydrogen fuel cells is they are pressurized (to 5000 psi in the Honda scenario). Gasoline is flammable, but at least it’s not under pressure in automobiles. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 573 Registered: 05-2002 |
Kiril... I am very very Conscious with what you have posted! And that is NOT truly unknown to me; I KNOW the whole processing's of such technologies. No need to explain. No need to show your academics. My thoughts are of much greater extents of its use. And this would be the same thoughts that Billy would have in mind, and is referring to. This is where One has to "THINK" Further...than what is written!! And as Billy would say: The Ones With OPEN Eyes CAN SEE THE TRUTH.... Pleasant studying... Edward. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 12-2005 |
Edwards: If you refer back to my post and check the premises of my argument - "in any manner composed, is very dangerous to utilize in any shape or form" - you will find that your post No.573 is meaningless. That there exists other more dangerous usages of this element, for example in Nuclear Fusion, is entirely irrelevant. This is because I provide evidence above that hydrogen can be produced-managed-used, safely, and because the technologies above represent solutions for both small scale and large scale production of electricity - in a cheaper, safer, environmentally sustainable manner. Furthermore, that it can be used as a weapon is again an insufficient argument. If you disagree with me I ask that you present some sort of evidence/argument - if not, and its your decision not to share knowledge you have(/have not) gained with me, then don't bother posting such replies again - they serve no useful purpose, for either of us! | ||
Tam2105 Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 03-2005 |
Kiril, get over yourself, man. | ||
Kiril Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 12-2005 |
Tam2105: What do you mean? Kiril | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Kiril, Edward and all, What if putting an extremely pressurized gas inside of a tank, in a land vehicle going anywhere from 60-80 mph or 120 kph (roughly) is actually a bad idea. Billy may be right (what am I kidding I'm convinced he's right) It's insane to do this, however, tell me what the next step in transitioning out of oil and into ? Fuel cell vehicles are being made now and fueling stations are being built now. I'm sure there can and will be some disasters and maybe they will be so bad that scientists will have to develop other alternative fuels. But, as the technolegy stands now there are NO bi-products from hydrogen consumption except oxygen and water and THAT'S HUGE. I mean isn't that a huge step? Yes it's pressurized and a risk is involved. But weren't the first spaceshuttles pressurized (not even close to the same pressure)as there was a serious risk and still is with space travel, but we must forge on and try new alternatives making mistakes and learning how to do it better, perhaps this is our next learning mistake? I say we get completely away from the oil drilling, war instigating, and money entangled process that surrounds petroleum consumption. Don't get me wrong BP has hydrogen stations already in operation in Texas and California and the price per volume ratio will end up costing the same amount as gas. But without the earthquakes and Tsunami's, I'm not saying Hydrogen is the answer, because it may not be, as Edward stated so truly that the risks outweigh the benefits?! It may be so. I'm here to tell you that this is where companies are headed, and if I don't see a garage mechanic or a company that is selling a better and safer propulsion device or if I haven't built the thing myself with some friends, than I plan on purchasing the next best thing, which is the FCX in 4 years. Honda makes the BEST running vehicles and what better company to hurdle this task. What should we do guys. Ignore the technolegy that is being implemented right NOW, or ignore gasoline and expect more out of companies even past fuel cell, obviously. I think we should expect more. Additionally, do we abandon and ignore all hydrogen technologies simply because you can make a hydrogen bomb. You can make an atom bomb and atoms make everything, only depends how you arrange them. I'm sure can and have the resources and necessary tools to build amd implement advanced and ultra efficient energy propulsion sytems. What ever happened to zero point extraction? And just as sure as you know that this technolegy is dangerous, Honda will have the best prototype and therefore the least dangerous out of the bunch. Based on my observation of the company. "High-pressure hydrogen tanks Two 350-atmosphere high-pressure hydrogen tanks provide ample storage capacity." "Given that the hydrogen used as fuel has a low energy density per volume, as much hydrogen as possible must be available to ensure maximal driving range. For optimal packaging, however, the fuel tanks must take up as little space as possible. The FCX’s 350-atmosphere, corrosion-resistant, high-pressure hydrogen tanks are constructed of three layers: an aluminum liner, a carbon fiber layer, and a glass fiber layer. The two tanks provide the FCX with a 156.6L fuel capacity. This large capacity combined with improved fuel consumption contributes to the car’s 430km* driving range. Fueling time at a high-pressure fueling station is only three minutes, for a level of convenience comparable to that of a gasoline-engine vehicle." "The Honda FC Stack-equipped FCX, which is capable of starting at sub-freezing temperatures,is the world’s first fuel cell vehicle to be certified for use on public roads by the US Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the California Air Resources Board (CARB)." If something is, I try and figure out why it is that way. Like why abandoning hydrogen and focusing on better technolegies is the right thing to do when we havn't even abandoned life sucking oil wells yet.?? So what's next? Sorry to be longwinded. Salome, Tim | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 12-2004 |
Additionally, I just saw a special on the "Science channel" which discussed advantages of compressed Oxygen to 300 psi used in a hybrid vehicle as opposed to 5000psi with that honda. Put in a carbon fiber tank (as opposed to metal) any collision would (if ruptured) only split the carbon fiber instead of sending shratnel (pieces of metal fragments) everywhere. Coupled with a hybrid engine the car can go across the U.S. on one tank. The best part is they will be sold in U.K. and Australia, Melbourne and other places in 1 year for only around $15,000. Oxygen is very economical because one tank that runs over 200 kph will only cost $2 in electricity. If anyone knows about Nicola Tesla, than they are informed of the actual abundance of electrical energy available for tapping. Just think about how much energy is created and released during one summer thunderstorm, I've heard enought to run Los Angelas for one full year! Compressed air cannot be as dangerous a hydrogen because it does not require as many pounds per square inch in its container. Interestingly enough the carbon fiber oxygen tanks can be modified to vehicles using the same combustion process as conventional gasoline combustion engines. Cool prototype in Melbourne. Good Reading, Tim | ||
Melli Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 06-2005 |
Hello TJames, I just found your post number: 132 about cars running on Oxygen: where do I get more information about it? Every now and again, we hear how australian science is really leading in amazing innovations, shame though most people will never find out about it, unless we are open about it ourselves first. | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 139 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello everyone I have just read about an oil spill in Alaska to have devastatingly taken place on a scale which has never been recorded. I am dis-heartened, distraught and sadened to find out that the debate (if you refer back to post#109) which said my state; ohio is at at a crossroad where we can either invest in alternative fuels, which there are dozens of options which my mislead state has not chosen. Instead we have gone the black route, the one the Busheons and Neo-cons and the Bafath have gouged out so much of our true path to love and balance. This is very important and I feel everyone should care: "Alaska hit by 'massive' oil spill An oil spill next to a transit line in Prudhoe Bay, Alaska The spill covers two acres of the snow-covered tundra An oil spill discovered at Prudhoe Bay field is the largest ever on Alaska's North Slope region, US officials say. They estimate that up to 267,000 gallons (one million litres) of crude leaked from a corroded transit pipeline at the state's northern tip. The spill was detected on 2 March and plugged. Local environmentalists have described it as "a catastrophe". In 1989, the Exxon Valdez shipping disaster spilled 11m gallons (42m litres) of oil onto the Alaskan coast. 'Painful reminder' "I can confirm it's the largest spill of crude oil on the North Slope that we have record of," Linda Giguere, from Alaska's state department of environmental conservation, was quoted as saying by the Associated Press news agency. The estimate is based on a survey conducted several days ago at the site where the leak was discovered, officials say. The spill covers about two acres (one hectare) of the snow-covered tundra in the sparsely populated region on Alaska's north coast, some 1,040km (650 miles) north of the state's biggest city, Anchorage. The source of the spill was a hole caused by internal corrosion in the pipeline, officials say. It remains unclear when the leak started. Environmentalists from Alaska Wilderness League said the spill was "a catastrophe for the environment". They said it was "a painful reminder of the reality of unchecked oil and gas development across Alaska's North Slope". They also urged lawmakers to shelve a Republican-led project to allow drilling for oil in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge (ANWR). Supporters of drilling in Alaska say it offers an alternative source of energy to the Middle East and so would improve national security. Opponents warn oil exploration would harm a pristine wilderness and endanger a key habitat for migratory birds, polar bears, caribou and other animals. 1989 disaster Alaska's worst-ever oil spill happened on 24 March 1989. Exxon Valdez spill The 1989 spill devastated miles of Alaskan coastline and wildlife The Exxon Valdez tanker ran aground in Prince Edward Sound, near Anchorage, contaminating around 1,300 miles (2,080km) of coastline. Its captain, Joseph Hazelwood, admitted drinking vodka before boarding the vessel, but was subsequently acquitted of operating a ship while intoxicated. The spill killed an estimated 250,000 seabirds, 2,800 sea otters, 300 seals, 250 bald eagles, up to 22 Orca or killer whales, and an unknown number of salmon and herring. In 2004, a federal judge in Alaska ordered Exxon to pay $6.75bn (�3.9bn) in damages and interest in relation to the spill." You can't pay for the intricate balance that nature so intelligently designs and sustains! At-least not in the scheming, shorthanded and shortsighted fasion these corporations operate. Last year Ohio and the rest of the organized world during energy debates should have: 1. Initiated a BIRTH-HALT,WHICH HAD DIRECT TIES TO ENERGY AND CONSUMPTION PATTERNS!! 2. An IMMEDIATE PLAN for TRANSITIONING OUT OF and for funneling funding for transition into a new fuel which CAN replace most combustion engines. One Oil tanker (ocean crusier) consumes 40,000 tons of fuel daily. We cannot afford this type of consumption, the economic devastation everywhere oil is drilled and the consequences economically (what you will pay) and the devastating Earthquakes/Tsumami's and lack of protection from asteroids/comets will never equate something positive. Any Science minded person knows alot of possibilites for fuels. Ones which make more economical and ecological sense 10 times over any of gases benefits. Will we have to see our own Earth burning beneath our feet before we care? This issue hits me hard and I literally cry when I read articles like this. Salome, Tim | ||
Technod Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hi tim, i feel the same way you do when i here af a killer whale being sucked up by a ocean going vessal, the reason being the whale was fond of traveling with these metal con trap shuns.? Short of the slippery six`s being involved i think its and example of the ever telling tale of mans ego treading over everything including nature. Hopefully the"learn from your mistakes"rule will apply in this case allowing a safer or more efficiant form of transporting goods across the ponds will come. I have been glossing over a few ideas on personall energy devices and i found a site that shows you step by step how to construct a inexpensive windmill out standard 2x8 boards and a few magnets it looks reasonably do-able here it is . http://otherpower.com/blades.html http://www.otherpower.com/pmg2.html Gutin tag brian | ||
Tjames Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hello Technod, I'm glad you posted these creative websites because they give an example of using your resources to be solve old problems with sometimes old solutions. Those magnetic fields in the oil solution were very cool. I'm thinking I will buy some type of alternative energy and switch my house when I get one. I am also interested in motionless generators which can extract current without any physical motion ex. wind, momentum etc. and current amplifiers which step up the amount that comes from the grid or source approx. (estimate) 2-8 times, very efficient. http://jnaudin.free.fr/meg/meg.htm Salome, Tim | ||
Technod Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 07-2003 |
Hi Tim,everyone There at the bottom of those websites in the box was a whole list of other useful info on batteries,lighting,consevation,etc. About the MEG device ,I caught wind of that device over on Tom Beardon`s website seems like 2 years now and unless ive missed something it seems like its taking the scenic route . here is a device im in the process of building and ill let you know if it works. http://www.theverylastpageoftheinternet.com/forsale/plans/earthbattery/ebpage1.htm try in get back to the home page for more intresting suff i also came across the site having to do with the mysteries?of the coral castle. this guy says he has all the answers with a good pitch on magnets,then i noticed in his important links page for the oto! so who knows. if anyones interest? http://www.coralcastlecode.com/id1.html Has anyone heard of the news story concerning Africa`s horn and earth changes causeing an inland sea or the horn becomeing seperated? How bout the 100+ tornado`s here in the midwest last monday the 13th ,on coast to coast some guy predicted negative events on that date, its a stretch but noticeable . peace b Brian brian | ||
Pudd Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 02-2006 |
Member's I would first like to quickly say how beautiful all the messages have been in the many thread's of this figu forum."Henoch continues to fullfill itself".I have observed here in Canada that our farmer's consist of mainly 62 year old men.There is no money in farming here with the U.S. making on average almost double what Canadian farmers make.I live in a small orchard which still continues too survive,whilst many around me over the year's have seen chainsaw's.Do the Plejarens have much to say on how far down the quality of our food will become.The Mason's are attempting to monopolize agriculture with genitically altered seeding program's.Salome Pudd | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 217 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Pudd genetically altered plants are not bad for us and in fact according to Billy we have been eating them for thousands of years (for example Avocado was created by ETs) because of overpopulation and the resulting explotation of the land, the food is each day that passes less nutritive than it used to be (and also less delicious, at least here fruits are not always so sweet), so it is important to take nutritional supplements genetical alterations of the plants can be very useful and can help us to get rid of many evils like pesticides, artificial fertilizers and make the crops more resistant to droughts, etc it is also a good idea to grow at least a part of what you eat take care |
