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Pudd
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Post Number: 58
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 11:51 am: | 
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Can anyone direct me to more info in regards to pseudomonas fluorescenes,streptomyces,restriction enzymes for those creative viruses,how nice.
In any event I watched closely for months now,it is increaseing here in my city and people I meet here and there,question me about these chemtrails.
It is nothing but sinister/disgusting from my limited knowledge, viewpoint.
My lovely translater has signs of fear.Salome
Pudd,
I am going to move your post to the Chemtrail Section which was started back in 1999.
Scott |
Pudd
Member
Post Number: 59
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, November 09, 2006 - 03:13 pm: |
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Thank you scott,as I have read from 1999,and still confused/unclear on this topic.salome |
Adam
Member
Post Number: 38
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 02:08 am: |
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Hi Everyone,
It seems to me if these chemtrails are for our benefit those responsible would have openly spoken about it long ago. Obviously, they do not want to attract attention to chemtrails and there is something to hide.
I am surprised that there are not more insiders speaking out about the cause and effects of chemtrails, the constituents etc. Can somebody post any links?
There is some good information about chemtrails here
http://educate-yourself.org/ct/
Regards
Adam |
Thomas
Member
Post Number: 218
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 04:00 am: |
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I am not accepting, nor am I denying, the presence of "chemtrails" because I don't know if they are even really something unexplained already. But I do have a question which may have already been answered: What do you guys/girls that believe that "chemtrails" exist, think that they are being used for?!? I mean, don't you think that the people spraying these alleged chemicals everywhere would have to breath the same air??? It just seems like another conspiracy theory gone awry to me... No offense intended. Just my honest opinion. |
Thomas
Member
Post Number: 219
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 13, 2007 - 04:15 am: |
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Just possibly, no insiders speak up because there is NO inside to speak up! It IS possible that there is another possible explanations for these trails which may have nothing at all to do with chemical spraying. Does anyone know if Billy has spoken or written on this subject? |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 24
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 03:21 pm: |
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Scott-
There is some good information linking Morgellons/chemtrails/nanotechnology at this site:
http://imageevent.com/firesat/strangedaysstrangeskies?z=3&c=4&n=1&m=-1&w=4&x=0&p=14 |
Ardie
Member
Post Number: 38
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, April 14, 2007 - 10:02 pm: |
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Thomas,
I don't know what the purpose of the chemtrails are. There are a lot of theories.
You would think that if the purpose was to poison us there would be quicker ways to do that. Is it a selective poison? Many people never get sick. If it is to poison us, perhaps the ones responsible make sure that they and their families are "vaccinated" so that they are not affected. It just seems like an awful lot of effort is going into this spraying with not a whole lot of results. I don't mean to minimize the suffering that some people do attribute to the chemtrails. I just don't understand why things aren't worse.
If it is to shield us from harmful rays, why don't they just say so? As far as I've heard, no one admits that these planes are theirs. These planes are everywhere all the time and no one knows who they belong to. I guess we assume they are military, but the military doesn't claim them as far as I know.
If no one claims them, then you would think that they were foreign aircraft violating our airspace. Why doesn't the military do something about that! It doesn't make sense to me.
I do know that it must take a huge amount of money to run all these aircraft all day long day after day after day. What a waste of fuel.
Salome,
Ardie |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 775
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 04:20 am: |
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Hi Adam and Phi_spiral....
Those are very good detailed links, also!
'STRANGE DAYS...INDEED!!'(as John Lennen once sang!)
Many Thank You's!
Edward. |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1160
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 08:18 am: |
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Hello,
Its interesting, I have heard young children say they have noticed "those lines in the sky" more than once. I think sometimes people who have been around for awhile remember how the sky used to look, versus how it looks today. I can say in my experience this phenomena has very much increased within the last 7-8 years. I used to fly private planes, and I can say what I see today, didn't exist in the 80's..
Here is a pix I took two days ago in the middle of the day. This trail started from one end of the horizon to the other.
Scott |
Thomas
Member
Post Number: 225
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 08:45 am: |
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Thanks for the response Ardie! I appreciate that you took the time to give me your response. From my point of view, as I said, I am not saying that chemtrails are definitely not being intentionally made, only that there ARE alternate explanations like for example, yes maybe they are harmful but caused by more unintentional problems. Anyway thanks again Ardie. I appreciate it :-) |
Ardie
Member
Post Number: 39
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 09:36 am: |
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Hi Scott,
Here is a picture that I took two days ago also. The day after the windy, cloudy day I mentioned earlier. I was sitting outside watching my husband mow the lawn, when a plane flew right over our house blowing a huge plume of "whatever". By the time I got around to getting my camera, the plane was gone, but you can see the trail and all the others that had been made during the day. The haze off to the left is all caused by the trails.
Ardie
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Adam
Member
Post Number: 39
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 15, 2007 - 08:54 pm: |
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Hi,
I agree Ardie, it must cost a huge amount of money. The chemtrail worldwide operation must cost multi-billions of US dollars. Whatever it is being sprayed above our heads has to be manufactured somewhere by scientists, then transported to airport hangers and onto the planes etc.
So a large number of people must be involved, knowingly or unknowingly, which is why I am surprised there is more speculation than facts available. Chemtrails over the area I live is a relatively new occurrence and a sign that operations are expanding.
Regards
Adam |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 776
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 02:05 am: |
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Hi Scott and All....
Very Massive trail, you have there! I guess it is one that would not dissolve
so quick, and just slowly 'expands' itself?
I was zapping away last night and there was a documentary on which dealt
with - Climate Change -; I later looked it up and it was a mini series in 3 epos...on the BBC.
It showed how the USA way back in the late 50-60ties did, try and manipulate
the Weather, and was later on...ended. WHY: it seems they did not have
Credible Proof, that them manipulating with Chemicals...the real reason was that
Changed the weather pattern.
I watched the last 10-15 mins or so, and it showed and was being told, how
Chemicals were indeed utilized, and that it had to be 'Sprayed' in a specific
manner, and about some...miles apart from each other, or something; by doing
so, new sort of cloud layers would be generated and would then Expand
automatically, so many times bigger...and if let say a Tornado were to come in
their direction, the 'Artificial' generated Expanding cloud, would with it's
Pressure...redirect the tornado in another direction. So, it seems, that this
was the main goal at the time, and/or to redirect...any type of Storm...in the
making.
The second example was of also 'redirecting' a tornado. And this was done by -
Seeding - as it is called, the 'Outer Wall' of the tornado with a chemical
(forgot the name) and this chemical had to be Seeded all around the tornado
about at half height of it's length, and by Seeded at this height, the
chemicals that made contact with the tornado, would than 'Cool/Freeze' the
Outer Wall which in turn would function as a wall of Cold air curtain, which
than would make it not possible for the tornado to expand any further, but stay
at a stationary size, and at the same time, as redirecting of it some depress
would take place, and this few depress would be some 50 miles(+/-).
The question was asked if Katrina would have been 'redirected' if possible with
the above mentioned, and the researcher said: 'Yes, it is possible' And than,
Katrina would have been redirected some 50 miles(as previous mentioned) or
more, and may have missed New Orleans.
The researcher then: mentioned that if the US government DOES have such
technology - THEY SHOULD utilize it! And if they do not do so, THEY are GUILTY
in all accounts in the Katrina Scenario(or any other)!
So in general, the documentary epos concern the Climate Change and how it
Effects Global Weather, and generates even more storms and tornados than
ever before, and specially in the USA...it is on the rise(as I once mention in a
posting before)!
And I just read here, that many high ranked USA generals are very WORRIED
about the mentioned because, due to the mentioned, many poor countries are
mostly Effect hereby, and will effect the crops and what not, which will not
grow, and thus leave these unfortunate people to flee across the borders, and
try and build an existence there. And this is when the countries can not
handle it any more, and eventually...this scenario will generate much violence,
and so forth. And the generals feel obligated to, anywhere in the world, to
intervene...with armed confrontations, alas.
And that is how the BBC Weatherstorm epo 1 ended. Am looking forward to see
the next epo, next week!
Positively, the above mentioned will shed some light and insight to those whom
are not that acquainted with Chemtrails and Seeding....?
Apologies for making this a long posting, dear Scott....
Edward. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 777
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 02:50 am: |
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Hi All....
Just a small clearification on: 'as redirecting of it some depress would take
place, and this few depress would be some 50 miles(+/-).
'depress' should be 'degrees'. Spellchecker error...
Edward. |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 27
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 09:27 am: |
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Edward: “It showed how the USA way back in the late 50-60ties did, try and manipulate the Weather, and was later on...ended. WHY: it seems they did not have Credible Proof, that them manipulating with Chemicals...the real reason was that Changed the weather pattern.”
Not exactly. It just became more covert. A 1977 United Nations treaty, The Convention on the Prohibition of Military or Any Other Hostile Use of the Environmental Modification Techniques, prohibited "the use of techniques that would have widespread, long-lasting or severe effects through deliberate manipulation of natural processes and cause such phenomena as earthquakes, tidal waves and changes in climate and weather patterns."
But it is still the US Air Force policy to completely control the weather by 2025.
See my related post under “The Environment”
Regards
Bob |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 30
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 01:05 pm: |
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Edward:"The question was asked if Katrina would have been 'redirected' if possible with the above mentioned, and the researcher said: 'Yes,it is possible' And than, Katrina would have been redirected some 50 miles(as previous mentioned) or more, and may have missed New Orleans.
Yeah, a few years back, the Wall Street Journal reported that Russian company Elate Intelligence Technologies Inc. was selling weather-control equipment using the slogan "Weather Made To Order." The Journal quoted Igor Pirogoff as saying that Hurricane Andrew, which did an estimated $17 billion in damage, could have been turned "into a wimpy little squall" by his company.
Russia's open selling of former Soviet military weather modification devices often made for interesting news stories. "Malaysia To Battle Smog With Cyclones" is a headline in the November 13, 1997, Wall Street Journal. "The plan calls for the use of new Russian technology to create cyclones-the giant storms also known as typhoons and hurricanes-to cause torrential rains washing the smoke out of the air," the Journal reported.
Regards
Bob |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 778
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, April 16, 2007 - 11:35 pm: |
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Hi Phi_spiral.....
Yes, I understand that it became 'covert'....which seems to be the
TREND...with the US government's...(US Air Force)Secret Ops.
Well, concerning the stagnation of the technology, which was mentioned in the
documentary and what I wrote in my posting: was the explanation in the
documentary; they may not have been conscious of your mentioned fact;
One can only conclude? But of course, what you mentioned would be more at
hand. And still good to know, that the UN were very Conscious of what was
going on, and took the appropriate step. It would be very logical....that a
greater body would notice the mentioned, and if with authority...take the appropriate steps.
And concerning your second posting: it seems the documentary researcher, and
the individual that was interviewed...may have not been up-to-date with what
you mentioned in your second posting? Or, the individual/scientist whom was
interviewed may have been up-to-date, but felt it as being the US
government's obligation to utilize the technology...when they already have it.
I myself, am very conscious and know of the Russian data.
Thank you for your input...
Edward. |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 34
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 17, 2007 - 08:42 pm: |
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I was just now reading an old posting by Michael Horn in this same section from 2002, which I think bears repeating especially for the more recent arrivals. It was completely news to me! Thanks, Michael, wherever you are!
On October 2, 2001 Congressman Dennis Kucinich, Ohio introduced H. R. 2977 during the 1st Session of the 107th Congress of the United States. The "Space Preservation Act of 2001" seeks to "preserve the cooperative, peaceful uses of space for the benefit of all humankind by permanently prohibiting the basing of weapons in space by the United States, and to require the President to take action and implement a world treaty banning space-based weapons."
In the bill Chemtrails are listed as an "exotic weapons system".
The bill states "SEC. 7. DEFINITIONS. In this Act:
"The term 'exotic weapons systems' includes weapons designed to damage space or NATURAL ECOSYSTEMS (such as the ionosphere and upper atmosphere) or CLIMATE, WEATHER, and tectonic systems with the purpose of inducing damage or destruction upon a target population or region on earth or in space." (emphasis added.)
The term 'space' means all space extending upward from an altitude greater than 60 kilometers above the surface of the earth and any celestial body in such space."
This would definitely include the altitude at which chemtrails are found.
In addition, in Section 7 - Definitions, it is stated in (2)(A) "The terms 'weapon' and 'weapons system' mean a device capable of any of the following: (ii) Inflicting death or injury on, or damaging or destroying, a person or the biological life, bodily health, mental health, or physical and economic well-being of a person)--(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person."
So in effect, the Bill was intending to outlaw chemtrails but apparently never passed! Nonetheless it is very }significant in that finally the naked word itself- "CHEMTRAILS"- appears on a document being read by our elected officials.
Source:
http://www.rense.com/general19/ex.htm
Regards
Bob |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 35
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 05:44 am: |
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By the way, the actual wording of the bill mentioned above can still be found at:
http://www.carnicom.com/hr2977.htm
(III) by expelling chemical or biological agents in the vicinity of a person.
(B) Such terms include exotic weapons systems such as--
(i) electronic, psychotronic, or information weapons;
(ii) chemtrails;
(iii) high altitude ultra low frequency weapons systems;
(iv) plasma, electromagnetic, sonic, or ultrasonic weapons;
(v) laser weapons systems;
(vi) strategic, theater, tactical, or extraterrestrial weapons; and
(vii) chemical, biological, environmental, climate, or tectonic weapons.
For those others cursed with speaking the “ugly English” and not familiar with how “Satan incarnate” passes laws, it goes like this:
A “Bill” is first introduced in the House of Representatives or the Senate.(So a “house bill” is not necessarily something you have to pay in order to get gas, electricity, or water). Once a bill is approved by one house, it is sent to the other, which may pass, reject, or amend it. In order for the bill to become law, both houses must agree to identical versions of the bill. If the second house amends the bill, then the differences between the two versions must be reconciled in a conference committee an ad hoc committee that includes both senators and representatives. After passage by both houses, a bill is submitted to the president for his signature or veto.
Dennis Kucinich is not affiliated with Satan or his cohorts. Which probably explains why his bill didn’t pass.
Regards
Bob |
Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 728
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 01:58 pm: |
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Dear Bob,
There's a link to the chemtrails patent at the top of www.gaiaguys.net/chemtrails.htm
How do you know Dennis Kucinich's affiliations? Put him to the test. Write the guy (as we did) and ask him for a comment about the Disclosure Project. "Satan" has many cohorts, expecially in Washington. Just because we know that "Satan" is just as real as "Santa" doesn't mean THEY know that, as the Bafath has been confused with the power of "Satan" since the year dot, not to mention the power of "Jesus" and the entire pantheon.
[And before this misunderstanding goes even further, I said "ugly (as in disagreeable/conterptoductive) English ACCENT" in the German language, in the context of Bianca trying to improve her German accent, that is to say - eliminate her English (in this case Australian) accent. From my point of view, English - like every other language - can sound very attractive, and I never said nor think that it is ugly.]
Cheers!
Dyson |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1165
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 07:56 pm: |
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Hello,
I want to introduce something else in regards to the “Chemtrail Spraying”. As many times as I have witnessed this, I can never really remember hearing any sounds being emitted from these “aircraft” I have photographed these vehicles from up in the mountains where it is quiet, but to the best of my knowledge I have never heard any sounds being emitted from the “engines” During the days I have done this, I have always been able to hear commercial aircraft, up at over 30,000 feet, but never the “chemplanes”
There used to be a group of Billy Meier people who used to discuss Billy’s material on the internet which came to be known as the Beamteam. One of the members I came to find out, also had witnessed this spraying and had a very unusual story to tell. This I believe occurred in 2000. Here is his experience.
The Sighting
Around 4:00, Larry spotted a sprayer coming in our direction at 10,000 ft. It was approaching Foothill College from the east. Suddenly, it stopped spraying and slowed down. The sun was at our backs and just ready to set. Sunlight was bouncing very strongly off what appeared to be a metallic, dumbbell-looking object. Perhaps the reflected sunlight had washed out the light transmissions that the craft uses to cloak itself to appear like an airplane. Perhaps it was having power difficulties. That would explain why it stopped spraying and slowed down. The power problem may have effected the output of its cloaking equipment because as it approached, I could see the real ship. An artist friend help me recreate what I saw.
One Mean Spraying Machine
The ship gave the impression of being unmanned; there were no portholes visible. The large cubical components may have been tanks, but the nozzle was unmistakable. The entire ship seemed to be made out of the same very metallic material.
Curses but Not a Sound
Although I cursed myself about bringing my 35 MM camera with the 500 MM lens the last time (not this time) we hiked at that spot, we blessed ourselves for the fact that there were no jets in the area, it was dead still so we could really listen for some sound. The ship was definitely close enough to hear its engines even if they were reduced for descending. For a short time we could hear a faint motor sound, but then we heard nothing as the ship continued to glide by. The ship continued across the sky until it got very small and I couldn’t see it any more. Then, it turned on its sprayer and I could surely see that.
Since then, there have been other reports of similar cubed shape devices which do not correspond to any known normal looking craft. In special bulletin #34, it was mentioned that these secret groups “ have back-engineered beamships at their disposal, whereby, in certain contexts, even antigravity finds application.” Since these craft may have the ability to cloak themselves in the form of an aircraft, but in reality are not airplanes, might come under the category of some form of anti-gravity device. Here is an image of one of these cubed shaped devices taken over San Diego in 2002. It goes without saying, that this could also be some form of disinformation agenda to throw confusion into the mix, but it is something to consider.
Scott |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 36
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 05:44 pm: |
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No worries, Dyson, I was only kidding with the "ugly" remark! I knew what you meant. GEEEEZ! So many people seem "edgey" on this forum, I was only trying to lighten things up a bit. I guess there hasn't been enough time for that remark to be funny yet. Next time I'll put a smiley face next to it. :-)
Thanks for the chemtrail link, I will definitely check it out. I haven't navigated the full length and breath of your site yet. It's such a large site... particularly with the font size. By the way, why IS the font so large? Is it your eyesight? ;-)
(Again, I'm being facetious!) EVERYBODY, JUST LIGHTEN UP!
I supported Dennis Kucinich when he ran for Satan incarnate :-) (US President) back in 2004, and I did a lot of research on him then. So, yeah, I'm pretty sure he's one of the 'good guys'. I do remember reading somewhere that he believed in the ET presence and was in favor of disclosure, though I can't cite where. But if you go back and read the verbage in the Space Preservation bill mentioned above (post 35), you'll see that he makes reference to "extraterrestrial weapons". And you can't fault the guy for not getting back to an Aussie. ;-)
Regards
Bob |
Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 730
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 18, 2007 - 11:36 pm: |
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Yeah, Bob, I could see your tongue there in your cheek, but a ";->" would have been useful for those who are already on the edge.
Someone or someTHING mucks around with our fonts. It's not us.
See if DK gets back to a Yank, Bob. Bets?
Cheers!
Dyson |
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