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Sonik_01
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 04:49 pm: | 
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Very good and truthful words Randy,
I agree with them 100%. I apologize for my outburst. I only think that some people get a little carried away with this "The Truth Must Be Harsh" bit. I have seen more and more of it on this website and it's quite disturbing to me. It's not a good sign for the future. I think we should leave all of this "The Truth Must Be Harsh" thing once and for all to the experts, ie - people who know what they're doing like Billy, The Plejarens, and those who they authorize to speak on their behalf. I think it is imperative that we approach things with an open mind and realize that we are All amateurs in the matters of Spirituality, and the functions of the world and the Universe in general, and we should dedicate ourselves to the helping of each other to learn, and not attacking those with a different point of view from us, and attacking what we don't understand. The future of the mission and humanity, as far as I'm concerned depends on it and like I said, I apologize for my outburst, and we should let the experts tell the truth harshly, since they have worked hard to know what the truth is in the first place. I apologize only because this should not degenerate into a pissing/insulting contest between who can diss out who the hardest with their version of the "truth", and with the most scathing comments.
My $.02 ... |
Adam
Member
Post Number: 33
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 04:33 am: |
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Hi
Another video exposing the Apollo 11 hoax, entilted "What Happened on the Moon", can be seen at the links below.
These are large files, about 3.5hrs in total.
Part 1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1913474363747128107
Part 2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5737681932896358451
Regards
Adam |
Paul
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, August 26, 2006 - 08:35 pm: |
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OK now conspiracy theories enter the picture. What did Mr. Meier say about this or better yet did the Plejarens confirm a landing or say it was a lie? End of story. |
Anday727
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Post Number: 40
Registered: 02-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 03:14 am: |
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Hi Paul,
this forum is the right place for you to find many answers on your questions, but you should have to read the archives first. Simply go to search tool and type the key word. Questions to Billy section for example is full of answers. Of course there is a lot of material waiting for you on those web sites Norm already mentioned before.
All this in respect to our friends here, the forum members.
Welcome on board Paul.
Salome,
Dejan |
Sonik_01
Member
Post Number: 79
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 07:57 am: |
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Paul,
I suggest you readthe information, if you are truly interested. There is plenty of information on the forum, on the figu website, in the books, EVERYWHERE!! You need to read and become informed for yourself first. Nobody can inform and answer all your questions for you. You have to seek the answers for yourself. As Arahat Athersata said: "The path to Truth is long and hard". But in my opinion it is well worth it. Welcome to the forum!!
Sonik. |
Eric_drouin
Member
Post Number: 141
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 08:33 pm: |
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Hallo:
A news release from NASA from Aug 15.
MUST READ!
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/apollo/apollo_tapes_prt.htm
Draw your own conclusion from it.
Salome, peace
Eric |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 870
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Sunday, August 27, 2006 - 10:53 pm: |
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Hello,
Here is more from Richard Hoagland's website: http://www.enterprisemission.com/images/hoagland-moon-july06/Apollo-11-Search_for_SSTV_Tapes.pdf
I think he mentioned there were over 700 boxes missing?? |
Mqhassan
Member
Post Number: 35
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 09:46 am: |
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Scott,
While this analysis shows clearly that there is something suspicious and could indicate that there was a wide spread hoax coverup,there was no proper explanation by Ptaah or Billy on the hoax.
1- There is no way that the mission did not take place. So as a result of that the Command and Lunar modules were set on a path towards lunar orbit and did enter it.
2- Ther could have been a repeat of the Apollo 10 mission in which there was a separation of the Lunar Module and redocking with the Command module, while not making an actual landing.
3- The shown live event of Armstrong putting his leg on the moon actually gives a fast descent from the last stair step indicating an earth type gravity. This is what NASA is trying to avoid and the reason for conficating all these tapes.
4- However as usual Ptaah's explanation and what was given to Billy is only half true. The Russians could no way get to the moon first and their giant rocket did blow up in 1969, and even the last fourth attempt of their G1 Booster moon rocket failed leading to the complete scapping of the project in 1972.
So the Russians were NOT ahead as Ptaah mentioned, and there was no way they could send a cosmonaut on the moon before Apollo.
5- The only attempt that they tried to upstage the Apollo 11 was sending Luna 15 to get a lunar soil sample first before the Apollo 11 in a few days and that failed when Luna 15 crash landed on the moon. The Russians only got a lunar sample with Luna 16 a few months later.
6- One question that could proove the Hoax of Apollo 11 is the fact that they should have bought with them lunar samples. Did that happen at any claimed institute ?
Did any research lab recieve any American Lunar specimen before the launch of Apollo 12 ??
That could be the Killer and prove why Apollo 11 cuold have been a hoaxed landing.
Both Armstrong and Aldrin could be under oath of lying all this time , even 39 years later !
Salome
Mohammed |
Alan
Member
Post Number: 173
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2008 - 05:13 pm: |
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There are a few good Apollo 11 moon hoax video's on google which clearly prove it was a hoax.
MOON HOAX - NASA . 'Buzz' Aldrin Threatens Lawsuit
2 min - 15/09/2006
and is available at moonmovie.com under the title 'Apollo 11 Monkey Business: False Photography Unedited'....NASA Faked Moon Landing Hoax moonhoax
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiVXd6lRUz0
Apollo Moon Hoax? Dr. David Groves Analysis
10 min - 26/04/2007
image expert, Dr. David Groves, concludes that the Apollo 11 photos allegedly taken on the moon were staged. In an attempt to disprove our own additional
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6MvcIs4OcQ
Lunar Legacy Episode 1, Part 1 (Did we land on the moon?)
7 min - 16/01/2007
flag movement, and conspiracy videos and their creators....moon hoax conspiracy landings apollo 11 13 nasa fake proof lunar funny thing happened way coverup landing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khDI2MsWSYc |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1088
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, April 10, 2008 - 06:39 am: |
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Hi Alan and Mohammed....
Alan: Yes, very informative sources you mentioned there! Have ben to the site
in the past, and have read the information decades ago, also. Which DOES,
prove the Facts as they truly are.
Mohammed: Ptaah, even mentioned that the Motion Picture production team/
company, was no one other than that of - Walt Disney - known to many from
his: Disneyland!
And it seemed Von Braun, was also a culprit...to conjure up this deceiving
scheme, to mislead Man on Earth. This is all mentioned in the Contact Notes,
which was one of Dyson & Viv's last translations...as I can remember. If you
can find the mentioned Contact Notes, it will be explained in details.
Edward. |
Mqhassan
Member
Post Number: 37
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 11, 2008 - 11:50 pm: |
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Edward,
I did see the original contact notes on the Staging of the films. That part is clear.
The Nixon Administration actually began assassinating the security people involved who had long term leaves from work !
However Ptaah's expalnation that the Russians were ahead in the moon race in NOT correct, as I explained above.
Also there was another failure as to describing the Apollo 11 true mission, giving the wrong impression that it didnt take place !
What makes things worse is that Ptaah mentions that it is unlikely to be uncovered since it was made with such high level forgery. Well picutes of any lunar probe could reveal the truth.
We have recent Japaneese and Chineese lunar probes in orbit, and if there is no lunar module on the moon at that location, that could be easily seen.
Present day picure resolutions are much higher than the probles of 40 years ago
There remains a possibility that I didnt mention.
The Lunar Module of the Apollo 11 mission could have been sent to land on the moon at the Tranquility Sea location without astronauts. In this way the Command module would have orbited the moon with all three astronauts rather than Michael Collins alone !
We have the problem at FIGU of accepting whatever Ptaah says without attepting to analyze what actually happened. In this way, the real truth is eventually bound to be falsified as well.
Salome
Mohammed |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 159
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 03:22 pm: |
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Greetings Mohammed and All In Peace,
"We have the problem at FIGU of accepting whatever Ptaah says without attempting to analyze what actually happened."
Very good point. I have seen information from the Plejarans which is only "half of the truth." This does NOT mean that it is "half of a lie"; this means that some of the truth is withheld. They, and Billy also, have reasons for not telling us EVERYTHING they know.
Some reasons could be that the the FULL truth in some cases could cause disruptions to the equilibrium of our planetary systems. Some truth that we are not yet advanced enough yet to know. Some truth that we must learn for ourselves.
Salome
Someone Shared Their LOVE Today. Was It YOU?
J_rod7
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Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 254
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 03:56 pm: |
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Mohammmed: "We have recent Japaneese and Chinese lunar probes in orbit, and if there is no lunar module on the moon at that location, that could be easily seen."
* Actually, not necessarily. In Contact 357, this is discussed by Billy and Quetzal:
Dazu vermag ich mich zu erinnern, dass früher einmal die Rede davon war, dass die NASA unter Umständen nachträglich, nach der angeblichen ersten getürkten Mondwettlandung am 20. Juli 1969, bemannte oder unbemannte Mondlandungen durchgeführt hat, wobei alle Gegenstände usw. dann auf dem Mond ausgesetzt wurden, die bei der angeblichen ersten Landung auf dem Mond zurückgelassen worden sein sollen.
In addition to that, I am able to recall that earlier, once the talk was that NASA, subsequently, under certain circumstances, after the alleged first conjured up Moon race landing on July 20th, 1969, carried out manned or unmanned Moon landings, whereby all objects and so forth were then set out on the Moon which were supposed to have been left behind by the alleged first landing on the Moon.
Der Grund dafür soll der gewesen sein, so erinnere ich mich, dass später <bewiesen> werden könne, dass die erste Mondlandung am 20. Juli 1969 und auch weitere tatsächlich stattgefunden haben sollen.
The reason for that was supposed to have been, as I remember it, that it could later be "proven" that the first Moon landing, and also further ones, was actually supposed to have come about on July 20th, 1969.
Mohammed: "However Ptaah's explanation that the Russians were ahead in the moon race in NOT correct, as I explained above."
* The point that was being made was that the Americans perceived that the Russians were ahead and that was their motivation in wanting to stage the event. Whether they actually were or not, is moot. The Americans believed it to be true.
Mohammed: "What makes things worse is that Ptaah mentions that it is unlikely to be uncovered since it was made with such high level forgery."
In Contact 203, Quetzal explains that evidence of the fraud will be uncovered, but it will not gather widespread acceptance:
3. Diese geringe Anzahl war massgebend dafür, dass nichts durchsickerte und das betrugskriminelle Unternehmen tatsächlich bis auf den heutigen Tag geheim gehalten werden konnte und dies auch in Zukunft so sein wird, obwohl sehr viele Ungereimtheiten hinsichtlich der Photo- und Filmaufnahmen durch kritische Personen entdeckt wurden und weiterhin entdeckt werden.
3. This small number was responsible for nothing trickling through, and the criminal-fraud enterprise actually could be kept secret up until the present day and this would also be the case in the future, in spite of the fact that very many anomalies in regard to the photographs and videos will be discovered by critical people and will continue to be discovered.
4. Die Lüge wird also weiterhin aufrechterhalten, und zwar trotz der nachweisbaren und klaren Beweise der Ungereimtheiten, die auf die Fälschung der Mondlandung hinweisen.
4. The lie will therefore continue to be sustained, and indeed in spite of the provable and clear evidence of the anomalies, which prove the falsification of the Moon-landing.
Regards
Bob |
Alan
Member
Post Number: 181
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2008 - 06:46 pm: |
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Hi Edward and Mohammed,
another thing i noticed in the moon hoax videos is that it contradicts what the P's were saying about it was just the apollo 11 that was just the hoax. there is sufficent evidence in many of the vids to suggest/conclude that it was more then one moon landing that was a hoax. Pictures of moon landings after appolo 11 show the same anomilies (hoax) such as unnatural shadows, no blast craters and so forth.
Another thing is if walt disney was involved in helping to elaborate the hoax, why was it done so carelessly - shadows, exact same terrain/hills that different apollo moon landings were shot, no stars, ect. Surely they would have thorougly check out the footage and picked up their careless mistakes/anominlies.
The same can be said about 911 with reference to carelessness |
Mqhassan
Member
Post Number: 38
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 04:52 am: |
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Bob,
The only way an umanned landing on the moon of a lunar module is possible , would be through Apollo itself !
So actually this will strengthen the scenario that Apollo 11 was a repeat of Apollo 10 in terms of mission , but by sending an unmanned lunar lander to the surface!
In that case only would Quetzal's words come to be true. The upper part of the lunar module would separate from the lander part leaving only the lander without the LL cabin left on the moon.
Anyone seeing it would say there was a manned landing in that place. All three astronuats would have been relaxed in the Command module while the Lunar lander made it to the surface.
They could have practiced the docking between the Command Module and Lunar Cabin module in Lunar orbit.
Salome
Mohammed |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 257
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 11:23 am: |
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Mohammed: “The only way an umanned landing on the moon of a lunar module is possible , would be through Apollo itself ! <snip>In that case only would Quetzal's words come to be true.”
I’m not following your logic here. There was no need to land a lunar module on the original mission. But with subsequent missions, they could have planted the paraphernalia of a lunar lander, the plaque and the flag at Tranquility Base, just as Quetzal said.
Regards
Bob |
Mqhassan
Member
Post Number: 40
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 01:17 pm: |
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Bob,
This is an over simplification of the matter.
The later Lunar missions were true landing missions to well known landing places.
Apollo 12, 14 , 15, 16, 17
These five missions were already verified by the the Plejarans. The only Tranquility base landing was supposed to be by Apollo 11.
Beginning with Apollo 14 , they had a cart with them to carry moon rocks in. With the last three missions, a lunar rover was made available to travel on the moon for increased distances.
You see when an Apollo lander returns to moon orbit to re-dock with the Command Module in Orbit,
it leaves the four legged landers landing stage on the moon.
For that reason it is not a matter of just putting a flag there. No one else could plant anything on tranquillity base other than the true Apollo 11 Lunar lander !
There is a half truth mixup coming from the fact that Apollo 12 actually landed near the Suveyor 3 lunar probe sent earlier. Astronauts walked to the old unmanned lander sent three years earlier
You cannot send a whole mission seperately to the moon to place an Apollo lander there if it was not a true Apollo mission. ( Not to mix it up with the Suveyor which is a much smaller craft ).
For that reason I find that Apollo 11 mission did take place except that the actual astronaut landing on the moon did not take place.
It is here that the Plajaran half information method is meant for us to see and explain for ourselves how this mission had its landing hoaxed. Most people on the forum probably are not aware of that and think that the whole mission was a fake which wasn't the case !
Salome
Mohammed |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 258
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 03:29 pm: |
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Mohammed: “For that reason it is not a matter of just putting a flag there. No one else could plant anything on tranquillity base other than the true Apollo 11 Lunar lander!”
First of all, I very clearly stated, “the paraphernalia of a lunar lander, the plaque and the flag.” Not just a flag.
Secondly, I understood what the points of your argument were. I am saying that they don’t necessarily support your conclusion as an irrefutable conclusion, which is this:
“No one else could plant anything on tranquillity base other than the true Apollo 11 Lunar lander!”
If you accept the premise that they had the capability to hoax the original lunar landing and hypnotize Armstrong, Aldrin, and Collins to believe they actually landed on the moon, then it follows they had the capability to mask the true agenda of a subsequent mission.
Your theory is an interesting one and may even be true. But you cannot say it is the only logical conclusion.
Regards
Bob |
Alan
Member
Post Number: 182
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 13, 2008 - 05:06 pm: |
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Identical Backgrounds Apollo 11 and 15 landing.
 
http://iangoddard.net/moon01.htm |
Mqhassan
Member
Post Number: 42
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 12:50 am: |
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Bob, Alan,
What counts in the end is not the hypnosis but material evidence of an Apollo Lunar Lander on the surface of the moon at tranquility base, which should have been a flat area all around.
This is crucial because it is a large piece left on the Moon. If there is a lunar Lander left at Tranquility base , it could NOT be sent there through a susequent Apollo mission who were assigned to different places.
In other words, you will have SIX Apollo landers on the moon from FIVE actual human landings. Can anyone refute that ?
As to the hypnosis hypothesis , there are a lot of things that need to be analyzed before that becomes accepted. Apparently we are ready to accept anything given without returning to scientific analysis, and veryfing what was really meant by the information provided by the Plejarans
If they were hypnotized, would they be working in outer space in a spacecraft ? You see the hypnosis theory assumed there was no mission launched at all.
I am not in favor of the hypnosis theory, and the whole argument is that a Lander WAS left on tranquility base. How did it get there ?
There was a failure to provide the scenario of how the mission took place by all people talking of the Hoaxed landing during all this time that passed since the Plejarans hinted about that twenty years after the event. Almost twenty years later, we still dont see a deep enough and convincing analysis.
Salome
Mohammed |
Alan
Member
Post Number: 182
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 05:37 pm: |
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I accidently doubled posting the first two images there which makes it hard to know whats going on. Should've been like this -
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Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 259
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Monday, April 14, 2008 - 10:54 pm: |
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Thanks for the clarification, Alan. But according to that website, neither one of those photos is identified as being from Apollo 11 or Apollo 15. However, the panoramic picture is from Apollo 15. The writer, Ian Goddard, seems to be making the case that the mountains in the background, the Apennine Front on the left and Mount Hadley Delta on the right, are so large and distant, that they can be seen from myriad points of view without changing their appearance. And the Apollo 15 astronauts went up to those mountains and walked on Hadley Delta - pictures are provided. How could they walk into a fake backdrop? Furthermore, he has additional photos of those two ranges taken at different angles from different distances proving that these known and mapped lunar mountains in question are not a fake backdrop but are real three-dimensional mountains.
Regards
Bob |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1097
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2008 - 08:01 am: |
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Hi Alan....
You bring up some interesting points, there. There were indeed, conclusions
that there may indeed have been more than one faked.
Yes, they were indeed very careless. I guess, carelessness, would indeed, make
them fall through the basket, one day, not? Through their carelessness....Man
can now notice and identify and acknowledge, that it was all a Hoax!
So, I guess, technically, they may have been good in those days, but...not
that good as they presumed themselves to be. Thus, they sold themselves by
making such anomalies/mistakes...which are being unraveled by Man today...as
has been going on for decades.
Walt Disney, may have been their choice, perhaps because...he may have been
CIA himself(I wonder how he managed to obtain the fiances to create his
Disneyland, back in those days? CIA or others may have financed him,
perhaps?)? And other motion picture companies, perhaps not?[I have come to
know, that after WW2, here, in the Netherlands, that the CIA was already
'recruiting' people whom were even Dutch film stars..etc, not to forget the
motion picture companies they were working for..whom recommended them!]
Thus, we can - directly or indirect - be 'influenced' by what we see on the
television![of course: The MASS is being Brainwashed!] Just as the case with
the Apollo schemes. Not only America fell for it...but the Whole World!
Edward. |
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