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Indi
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Post Number: 179
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 05:19 pm: | 
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Dear Gaia
Although your point is a good point if it was correct, however, it is not correct, therefore it is not such a good point after all -- in fact it is narrowminded -- that which you are accusing members of this forum of being.
Not everyone on this forum was born yesterday undear a cabbage leaf -- there are many who have studied many different things throughout their lives, who are currently and concurrently studying the Meier material.
This forum is specifically for discussion of the Meier material == so that is (hopefully) what is discussed here.
When studying anything, whether it be Meier, Kant, history, philosophy, anthropology, atmospheric science, etc......... one has to firstly study the material that presents the topic, and then when one has sufficiently immersed themselves in the topic, then is the time for critical evaluation.
You admitted yourself that you had not read all of the archives -- maybe that contributed to your error of judgement?
I am sure there are people on this forum that sound like they are blindly following Meier teachings, however, that may only be how it appears, as in reality, after they 'sound' that way, they still have to go out into the world and live, and they would pretty soon discover the reality of most of the verifiable teachings.
I think your comment, as I said above is narrowminded to say the least, and not very honest in that you have not contributed anything yourself, just sat in judgment of others getting on with it openly.
time to re-evaluate, and critically evaluate ones stance maybe?
Of course you are entitled to your opinion - but each and every person who is studying the Meier material seriously, knows what they are doing, and as with anything, must keep themselves in check just as anyone studying anything has to as well.
Your observation is duly noted!
Robjna |
Markc
Member
Post Number: 607
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2008 - 09:28 pm: |
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Gaiawing ;
You proved here , glaringly , to not have read much of anything on this forum , but especially not Meier's writings . If you had , you would not have come off right away as such an uninformed condescending outsider .
Back up , back down , shut the pie-hole , and start for the first time to read to learn , or use the saddle on your caballo for the riding off into the sunset .
I have NO patience for such stupidity as you have expressed here .
Since you maintain to not be a frequent poster on any forum , I hold you to your word . Move on .
MC
Mark Campbell
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Socrates
Member
Post Number: 23
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 03:26 am: |
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No he does have a good point for how do we know 100% of that Billy is telling us the whole story, even if his teachings are genuine and his prophecies true? We must consider every other possible outcome before we can fully accept 100% of what Billy has to offer. I won't elaborate because then we will get off topic and I'm already in enough trouble with the forum moderators here  . What I've said on this forum is the result of my own experience dealing with creation and studying nature very intently. I don't agree with Billy completely with all things, nor do I with the forum members here and I can guarantee you that everyone here does not agree with each other completely and totally, however our life experiences have led us to believe many topics or subjects contained within this highly-contradicted material (contradicted by the average brain-washed citizen) regardless of the public criticism for we have our own truth of the it.
Perhaps it is you, Gaiawing, who should more carefully study and observe us before you make a conclusion.
A scientist once trained a flea to jump whenever he rang a bell. Using a microscope, he then anesthetized one of the flea's legs and rang the bell again. The flea still jumped. The scientist then anesthetized another leg and then rang the bell. The flea still jumped. Eventually the scientist anesthetized more and more legs, each time ringing the bell, and each time recording that the flea jumped. Finally, the flea had only one leg left. When the scientist anesthetized the last leg and rang the bell, he found to his surprise that the flea no longer jumped. |
Borthwey
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 07:40 am: |
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I wonder what it is about paying members that makes them feel personally attacked when someone tries to think outside the "box".
DG |
Lonnie
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Post Number: 265
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 08:37 am: |
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Dear Gaia,
Your analytical approach to the comments on this forum should be respected and not condemned. It is understood that, as a rule, people should not simply believe everything they hear or conveyed to them, not even what Billy conveys. Because, to merely believe is to be dependent and stupid and for this reason people should never believe anything. On the contrary, (and it is recommended by Billy and the FIGU), that people should always be critical, ponder and consider everything in a thorough manner through investigations and research to find the truth on their own, externally and within themselves.
I can only speak for myself, but after doing much research into many different sources of information, using reasoning, healthy criticism, and complete freedom of thought as well as impartiality and a lack of prejudice in total neutrality, I became 100% certain in the shear logic, honesty, clarity, and truthfulness of the teachings which has nothing whatsoever to do with the acceptance of a belief. But this you must determine for yourself with your own cognizance and understanding. If you still do not agree, that's OK too. As Jmmanuel said in the TJ, "The yoke of consciousness development is gentle." Therefore, you can learn at your own pace.
Regards,
Lonnie Morton |
Markc
Member
Post Number: 610
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 12:53 pm: |
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Maybe that's a good point Borthwey . But also consider , that if the :"thinking outside the box rhetoric" is to be applied to this situation , than how would it be that someone like myself would not be afforded the same unbridled assessment of posts like the ones made by gaiawing ? I mean , they are not singular , they come all the time . They don't believe 100% in what Meier says , well , that's anyone's right , and the only real intelligent freedom of the individual mind , to scrutinize, which every who bothers to READ this material already knows .
However , in this case , I really do make the exception because this person , bird , wing-wearer , feathered serpent , slippery eel type creature , hunt and pecker , takes a stance that I immediately recognize , an invader , an attacking species , a troublemaker , a dodo in pheasant's pheathers . The name has changed , but it's the same person , in disguise , not able to change written patterns , a dummy .Someone who's had the face in the mud so many times , that it doesn't even feel worthwhile to enact their unscrupulous duty anymore .
If your'e looking for a motive to my scathe , try insinuating again that I or my contemporaries are gullible , needing to be fed any type of thought . You'll get me and a fist of tacks in yuir chair , so look out when you sit down to type your long winded garbage .
BOO !
Mark Campbell
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Corey
Member
Post Number: 11
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 05:50 pm: |
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well said everyone, even you Gaia 
as everyone has noted, being critical can help you, at your own pace. Which reiterates the recent posting (via Thomas under Spirit Lessons 24.03.2008) noted by a core group member on the German forum regarding beleif and knowledge.
I am reminded how I felt when I visited the Joroen Jansen link found on Michael Horn's site on not only the growing witness and testimony lists, but many core group members when on a vacation developed their films afterwards to find a beamship photographed in the background. I guess those items come to us as a result of ET intervention on Earth, where the pilots wanted to help the average person (like us) get over the argument that Billy is the only one who sees the beamships, meets with the Plejaran's.
Lonnie no wonder so many Plejeran pilots are female and held in other areas of esteem, you seem to be a well of knowledge, attained through much personal effort and study.
Honestly at first glance it must seem as though users of this forum have an overreliance on Billy's teachings but at second glance it's as though thru much investigation, we find ourselves overly curious and drawn to the topics discussed here and in the teachings.
We all probably from time to time tend to attack postings outside the "box", probably eerily simliar to the way our worldwide degenerated leaders operate, notably here in Amerika. Is this a negative reflection of Erde's collective subconcious that registers here the forums on a smaller scale?
yet studying Billy's material (unlike anything else on Earth) can be a good place for us to start to alleviate those issues in our lives and thoughts, in our varying degrees of effort (stressing a little more unity like Mark brought up) in the meantime.
Corey |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 12
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 09:26 pm: |
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Sorry for the double post and moving off topic for a second but bear with me my intention is to show the validity of the topic of ET intervention on Earth within the nuetrality offered by the Plejeran thru Billy
most of us on the forums cross reference all the time, using sources outside Meier material. Many just remain silent probably out of self responsiblity or in an effort to allow others to make their own realizations (unwillingness to shine in front of their fellow human beings). Most studiers of Meiers material are acutally very critical and anylyze and investigate thouroughly whenever they run across something Billy writes they don't understand yet within thier varied levels or areas of study or personal interest or something discussed they are in personal disagreement with.
my most recent-
1) volumes 1-4 of Tom Bearden's energy from the vacumm material DVD's.
2) the work of the eleven signators of Russel-Einstein manifesto of 1955.
3) the systematic destruction and elimination of the electric/electromagnetic/and plasma car in all its forms, dating back to 1899/1902 and the most recent here in America in 2003.
4) the growing list of 270 extrasolar planets discovered outside our SOL system, including 10 just found today by an Irish University.
5) the work of the Linear Colliders in Geneva
6) studying water tables and desertification thru non Meier sources like Fred Pearce (water tables),
7) similiar to six , the consequences of not promoting population stablization, from outside sources such as the club of Rome, United Nations Environment Programme, or Lester R. Brown.
speaking for myself, I also studied the work of many different world religions, viewpoints, and cultures (including living among a certian Native American tribe for almost 7 years) I feel I make a sound judgment that to me personally, I would honestly rate the things either directly or inderctly validate Meier and will continue to do so in the strong thousands, if one knows where to look, based on the cross referencing I have done not only in the last few years but since my teens long before I found out about Billy and FIGU.
and my story is probably similiar to anyone on here, no matter how much we may bicker sometimes.
"Ein richtiges Studium ist eine gigantische Explosion, die kein Ende mehr findet. Sie breitet sich endlos weiter aus, genau wie das Universum"
-Billy 10.Januar.2004
"A real study is like a gigantic explosion, one that will never end. It endlessly expands further, just like the universe."
- Billy 10.January.2004
found in "Über das Lesen und Studieren von Billys Schriften" von Atlant Bieri
Corey |
Alan
Member
Post Number: 167
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 - 09:32 pm: |
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Gaia "I have not read every word in these archives to the fullest extent, but what I have read so far is enough to show me that many people on this forum seem to be making a glaring mistake in their approach to learning and the truth"
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Borthwey
Member
Post Number: 19
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 01:26 am: |
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I don’t mean to devaluate those who support the mission. Yes, there is a mission! The world needs to be taken out of its ignorance.
However, I don’t find the beligerant approach the most effective. There’s no need to get wrapped up in conflicts. Everyone will have their opinion, but it’s not helpful to split the world between us/them. I think we are all one thought. We are all the same. We’re just doing different things. It is in everyone’s best interest to know the truth and to live in it, wich every person will after having experienced all the barbarism, suffering and illogical thinking that it needs.
The ones who firmly believe in the words of the bible or the quran, are just using those writings as an excuse to be the way they feel better about being, and likewise, the ones who find Billy’s spiritual teachings and find value in them are just recognizing what was already inside of them.
It’s all the workings of life (Creation, etc.), and no writings, by Billy or anyone alse, are above that.
DG |
Gaiawingz
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 11:25 am: |
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(a note moderators: this will be my final post for a while, certainly the final concerning this matter. I was looking for the section on Plejaren marriage and the like, since I know there is such a section, and I thought this would fit a bit better there since an example I have used it related to such matters. I can't find the section right now, though. So, I'm putting it through here and if someone would like to move it, go ahead.)
Markc, you've made some foolish assumptions about me.
I am not any kind of trouble maker, let alone one who has returned after many trips 'through the mud'. I do not appreciate the implication that I am a liar, a fraud, or otherwise any kind of deceitful cheat.
Next time, take a moment to think before you assume you already know someone, let alone their thoughts or motivations.
The entire point of my post was this and this alone: knowing something is the truth only comes about when one has thoroughly understood -why- something is true.
Reading enough of Billy's material to decide that one agrees, and then just accepting the rest as truth and assuming that you know what it all means, before having taken the time to think about, internalize, and -understand why-, isn't learning anything at all. No matter if one came upon the 'ultimate book of truth and wisdom', they still could not say they knew the truth even if they read it, until they has understood how it works, why it works.
(also: it was never even implied that my comments applied to -every single member- of the forum, only that there are people present on this forum who, apparently, are falling prey to just what Billy, the Plejaren, and any sensible human being would warn them against)
That is the point. One cannot claim they know anything until they understand it, until they know how it works and why it works, etc. Until one knows why something is, they can only repeat what they have heard. Plenty of people already spend their lives repeating the pretty words they heard another string together, without ever thinking about what those words really mean, or why they are repeating them to begin with.
I do not 'believe' a thing presented to me about the Billy Meier case. It was not 'proven' to me by the photos, the recordings, or the videos, although those are nice confirmations. All the contact notes, all the dialogs -- none of that proves anything to me or makes me 'believe' that everything he says is the truth.
However, I do find that the explanations and information he has brought forth are at the very least quite interesting, if not also rather internally consistent. From my own examinations of life, the 'human condition', and my internal thoughts and musings about the ways in which things work, I have found that human history is rife with holes and unexplained things, for which a good many of Billy's explanations fit rather well.
One must think about everything they learn. If one thinks something is the truth, they must understand why it is the truth. Otherwise, they are likely to end up touting views totally against the truth, or which only have some elements of truth.
For instance: in Guido's book 'And Yet They Fly', there is a passage discussing the marriage practices of the Plejaren. In the book, it is stated that the Plejaren do not marry until they are at least 70 (or thereabout), and are forbidden from partaking in sexual activities unless married. It also states that adultery in marriage is punished with total banishment, etc.
Now, if one had thumbed through this book, examined the evidence for the Meier case, and decided that sure, the guy was telling the truth, and wasn't it cool that he brought all this information to us, etc. -- even if one examined other English materials, like the Talmud Jmmanuel, one would encounter such passages as:
'2. "You have been given the directive: 'You shall not commit adultery.'
3. "Despite this, people commit adultery and fornication, thus violating the laws of nature.
4. "It is written, however, 'Whosoever commits adultery and fornication shall be punished, because the fallible are unworthy of life and its laws; thus they shall be cut off from the community.' '
Without even getting to the point of man bedding man, or man and woman, unwed, bedding each other -- from the perspective of one who speaks only English, this sounds like Jmmanuel is directing one into a life of celibacy until marriage and then a life of one partner. It also sounds like homosexual males are committing some kind of crime, but hypocritically enough two women bedding each other is not a punishable offense.
If one is lazy, and accepts what at first is conveyed to them, without delving into the matter, learning the German for instance, or finding out that Billy and the Plejaren differentiate between sexual acts (read: acts of procreation), and acts of self-gratification... how will they know that male homosexuality isn't a sin? How will they know that the unmarried Plejaren are not necessarily celibate?
It's an important difference to be noted, and easily missed by the casual eye, and there are likely to be many more subtle such differences, which one will tend to overlook unless one is processing the information thoroughly and coming to a real understanding of -why- something is.
As I said before, it is not my intent to post to these forums on an even remotely regular basis. However, a bit of clarification seemed in order, and I take mild offense to being called names by those who presume to know something about me when, in fact, they know nothing.
To those who felt themselves addressed by my words, I would suggest you re-read my post, take some time to think about why you felt so defensive you had to personally attack me, and re-evaluate how much learning you still have to do.
Also, since it was so important it was mentioned multiple times, while I have not read -every word- in the FIGU forum archives, I have read posts here for months, and I've delved back into the archives through several hundred pages worth of dialogs. So... I'm not pissing on anyone's parade, and I'm certainly not a condescending prick, or an ignoramus here to stir up trouble. |
Alan
Member
Post Number: 167
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 02:55 pm: |
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Gaiawingz "I am not any kind of TROUBLE MAKER,.........and I take mild offense to being CALLED NAMES by those who presume to know something about me when, in fact, they know nothing.............To those who felt themselves addressed by my words, I would suggest you re-read my post, take some time to think about why you felt so defensive you had to PERSONALLY ATTACK me, and re-evaluate how much learning you still have to do."
Yeah sure your not any kind of trouble maker!
If your not, then why using that stupid (Gaiawingz) user name for? Is it because you know Gaiaguys have many friends here? Probably.
I think your the one who's trying to look for arguements and mainly responsible for what just happened here to you.
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Socrates
Member
Post Number: 25
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 03:41 pm: |
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Ah okay, well why this certainly clears up some misconceptions. I hope I didn't offend you too badly  but if I did then know it was only because of my ignorant assumptions concluded from the information thus far given to me. Which is what we all are doing at this very moment with everyone of our decisions throughout life. Or perhaps it is all already know to us and we just have forgotten as a result of the nature of consciousness. But that delves into another subject that will have to be discovered on your own.
To get back from first grade name-calling I would like to introduce another series of contradictory point of the Plejarens and their involvement with Planet Earth.
Imagine one day as you are driving to work along the beaten highways of Emerica with a Coffee in hand and you suddenly hit a pothole sending your Coffee spiraling into the air whipping it's hot contents all over your nicely dressed exterior. As a result you swerve to the left...to the right....and into a concrete blockade, thus sending a rippling effect to each driver behind you to slow down or quickly steer out of the way, but imagine if one of the drivers carrying a baby in the passengers seat behind you swerved to avoid collision from your dancing car and smashed right into another car as a result thus killing the baby . Now freeze this scene.
We are only looking at a certain point in time. A certain point along an endless chain of events throughout the Universe. Who is it that set the initial act that has killed this baby.
Was it the driver's responsibility for carrying a baby in the passengers side? Was it the driver who's coffee unleashed a scalding pain unto him? Was it the merchant at dunkin donuts who sold him the coffee? Was it dunkin donuts for making it so easy to drive and drink coffee? Or was it Creation's responsibility as a part of creating us in the first place?
Now the Plejarens would argue that we have free will, but what proof do they have of this?
If our actions of the present are based on the actions of the past, then how is it that we can develop free will if the memory remains....or wait? Is this perhaps the reason as to why during the rebirth process that we lose memory of who and what we were so that we may freely create ourselves as we wish?
However, this is perhaps something that we all must discover on our own at this time through meditation, astral projection, or drugs such as marijuana, heck become a Freemason for all I care for our public science is still not very far in the complete understanding of our existence and purpose here and it would do you better to choose for yourself the card that suites you right so that you may learn from the choices you make.
What to you is free-will and what proof have you discovered of it's existence? |
Socrates
Member
Post Number: 26
Registered: 07-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 04:00 pm: |
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Gaia,
Something I forgot to mention was that I had this discussion with my parents last night and my dad brought up the same point as you have about how it is illogical how man can mate with man, yet not with women and the same thing with how man can have as much wives as his attention can provide, yet women do not have the same choice?
Much of their ideas do not make sense, yes, but remember that they have had to have everyone come to a complete agreement and conclusion upon these rules by which they planet abides by. Imagine right now if we had to get everyone on Earth to agree to a common set of law or regulation? Can you not see how much chaos it would bring and how difficult it would be because of a few who's perspective is so severely damaged by close-minded religion as well as physical and mental abuse?
That is another reason as to why I believe the Plejarens (if they exist other than in Billy's imagination or research) want us to suffer in the coming years as a result of our actions and not interfere with us because they consider this time to be a time when we will learn and grow the most as a result of the suffering. We will finally take notice of the problems we've had and resolve them for the time being. Many people will not stand up to a problem and be open to resolve it unless the problem is causing an issue for them which they do not want. I've noticed this with all people on Earth and it is merely just the logic we have created in response to our present environment and not so much of the effects that the future will bring. |
Pledja
Member
Post Number: 21
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 06:02 pm: |
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Hi Gaia
Your very first post was just an assumption me assuming you know none of the members personally or how they take the material.We have to realize that alot of people in this world are still very "dependent" on other beings its within the average earth persons D-N-A until you change this by becoming aware of it.You come out your mothers womb needing her.
"are forbidden from partaking in sexual activities unless married"
Has Billy Confirmed this?From what i know beings are allowed to make there own decisions, Sexuality isnt any different from deciding when to eat.you cant control "hormones" sex is natural.If i can remeber the first time i wanted sex, I was around 10 yrs old
I have no comment on "homosexuality" i find it a rather irrelevant topic my natural instinct to a man who needs pleasure from a man via "Anal" is not logical.The anal is an exit not entry way this disturbs the bodies natural processes.But ill be mature enough to say we all make our own decisions.
Pledja |
Eric_drouin
Member
Post Number: 173
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 07:06 pm: |
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Hi Markc:
Me too I recognized the pattern.
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Markc
Member
Post Number: 612
Registered: 06-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 09:34 pm: |
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Try pairing first grade name calling with following a guru , or being dependent on anyone's guidance , and you'll see why I don't give a dime for your fine feathered sophistry .
I speak from myself . Re-read THIS .
MC
Mark Campbell
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1444
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2008 - 09:49 pm: |
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Hey Guys,
I don't think Gaia is going to respond to any more postings, please lets get back to the topic..thanks Scott |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 250
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 04, 2008 - 12:44 am: |
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Socrates: "Now the Plejarens would argue that we have free will, but what proof do they have of this?"
A more relevant question, is what is “the self” for which we would assign the notion of free will. As you study the Meier material you will begin to understand that “the self” has multitudinous aspects exerting its various influences.
In one of the contact notes, Billy is shown a device inside the Plejaren ship that can actually read the conscious and the subconscious mind. Semjase explained that the subconscious mind contains information about your future because the future you are creating for yourself is being created all the time in your subconscious mind and your conscious mind is not aware of it. Although we speak about taking responsibility for ourselves, apparently we are doing it all the time even without our awareness. Our subconscious mind is at all times creating a future; i.e. it is making plans for what it wants to do, what ’you’ want to do, and your conscious mind gets the impulses later from the subconscious when it’s time to do something.
To demonstrate how this device can tune in to the subconscious mind and read what it is thinking of doing in the future they focus it on an associate of Billy, named Hans. And they saw in the subconscious of Hans' mind that in two days time, Hans was planning on calling Billy on the telephone. On the screen suddenly they see Hans picking up the telephone to call Billy to arrange a meeting to come over and talk about doing lectures. Billy is very surprised that he can look at this screen, see the future, see Hans doing something in the future and all of this is being read through Hans’ subconscious. Hans doesn’t even know yet that in two days time he is going to suddenly decide to call Billy about setting up the meeting. But his subconscious mind two days previous to that event has already decided that he wants to do it.
And of course, that is what actually transpired.
Regards |
Mike
Member
Post Number: 59
Registered: 01-2007
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Greetings
The Ministry of Defence (MOD) in the UK are releasing decade’s worth of classified files into the public domain regarding UFOs. This follows on from France’s recent initiative in a similar manner.
Some say, yes, that’s all very fine, but where is the real JUICY stuff, you know the real good evidence your holding back! Nice picture of Samjase’s ship by the way on New Scientist website!
http://space.newscientist.com/article/dn13894-uk-releases-classified-ufo-files.html?DCMP=ILC-hmts&nsref=news1_head_dn13894
Salome
Mike |
Corey
Member
Post Number: 43
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, May 14, 2008 - 06:47 pm: |
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That does look like a beamship doesn't it?
Corey
harmonisches Funktionieren zu lernen
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1113
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, May 15, 2008 - 08:19 am: |
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Hi Mike.....
Yes, I have heard and saw, what you mentioned on the BBC.
Very true: WHAT are we to have and to behold, with our eyes?
Indeed, perhaps the JUICY Stuff...may be Prohibited for our eye?
It was once mentioned some decades ago, that even some Lord, wanted all
known files be put out into the open, after having had sightings, himself. Do not
hear anything of him anymore; perhaps, certain forces above him, made him
change the whole scenario?
But, we will see WHAT the MOD will serve us on their tray.....
Edward. |
Mike
Member
Post Number: 60
Registered: 01-2007
| | Posted on Friday, May 16, 2008 - 11:51 am: |
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Hi Edward
I believe the chap you are thinking of is Brinsley Le Poer Trench, the 8th Earl of Clancarty whom passed over to beyond in 1995, I have an old book written by him. He was a well known UFOlogist and firm believer in the extraterrestrial theory as the explanation for some of the UFOs. He had some strange ideas about hollow Earth theories; he seemed to be a lovable open minded eccentric.
He was one time editor of the highly regarded and now long established “Flying Saucer Review” published in the UK in which prince Phillip is a subscriber. He also founded a UFO study group at the House of Lords and introduced Flying Saucer Review journal into its library. He was instrumental in instigating debates in an open manner. I think the particular debate in which the subject of UFOs and releasing of files to the public was debated in 1978 (I think) House of Lords where Lord Strabolgi on behalf of the government declared that there was nothing to convince him that any alien spacecraft had ever visited the Earth. This is not true of course since the UK government / intelligence have been aware of and investigated strange aerial craft in the skies since the 1900s with the sightings of the so called scareships (mysterious airship sightings over the UK displaying high strangeness characteristics) which then advanced in latter years to the so called ghost rockets and then onto the flying disks we are all familiar with which coincided with the start of the contactee bandwagon. Lord Clancarty was influenced by fellow aristocrat and author Desmond Leslie, he actually only lived a relatively short drive from my home, (Leslie co-wrote book with Adamski). The records are there to prove that these unofficial (there was official government investigations as well) investigative groups have existed for a very long time in the UK.
It would be interesting to see what the Swiss intelligence services (and others) have on Billy and his contacts. Has anyone in Switzerland filed FOI requesting information on government UFO files relating to this matter? Has anyone from Swiss military / intelligence come forward in their freewill to give testimony to the reality of the Billy Meier case?
Salome and goodwill to you
Mike |
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