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    Rarena Member Post Number: 320 Registered: 10-2005 |
The Plejaren have a device which detects human lifeforms (a biogram?). As of December 11, 2007 the Plejaren biogram count was: 7,684,227,416 humans alive on Earth as stated by Commander JSWH Ptaah, (ref.: 457th Contact: 12 December 2007.) Note, that... later (do not remember exactly where) it was mentioned that Plejaren devices do not register those living underground... yet, what people they did detect... it is my understanding this is over one billion more people than typical Earth based population numbers currently indicate... | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 197 Registered: 06-2006 |
from Peacelove....... HI All, But how Mr. Meier concluded the right amount of population on earth? How can we calculate the estimate of the right number of population? It would be nice if you could sign a name in a post so we could address a person and not a slogan! Billy is not the only person to comment on the ideal population for this planet with regard to sustainability of the planet and its resources and the creatures who rely on it for their physical existence. If you go onto the net and put a search in on the topic, you will discover many comments about it. Here is one link to get you started. http://www.utne.com/archives/EcologistSaysUncheckedPopulationGrowthCouldBringMisery.aspx and for a more scholarly discussion on earth capacity have a look at http://www.dieoff.com/page112.htm and here is another perspective again. And it goes on and on. In fact that last link has many interesting articles about earth. I am sure there are others on this forum with links of importance on this topic. There is likely also a discussion on the forum already about it which you could view to gain a perspective from the perspective of those here. Billy has put forward many views that are important for our existence, and his source of knowledge is from more than speculation and calculations based on our current level of knowledge, so it would be wise to include his contribution in the overall contributions on this topic. Robjna | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1105 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Peacelovefreedom..... Below are some very significant links to FIGU's Overpopulation views. Would indeed be wise for you to examine them to gain further Insight of the matters. See: http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/ACrusadeAgainstOverpopulation/tabid/102/Default.aspx http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/PopulationStatistics/tabid/103/Default.aspx http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/BirthRateCheck/tabid/104/Default.aspx http://us.figu.org/portal/SocialIssues/OverpopulationBomb/tabid/105/Default.aspx Pleasant Studying.... Edward. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hello Peacelovefreedom... Billy's information regarding Earth's overpopulation levels are the most accurate and published ahead of their time. Definitely take the time to read what he has to say, and don't forget the pamphlet: Was die Plejaren den Erdenmenchen wünschen (What the Plejaren wish for the Human Beings on Earth)a direction I personally beleive we are moving as a planet irregardless of whether you logically read Billy's material or not. Oddly enough not only has overpopulation been getting attention lately from sources outside of Meier but desertification was scientifically validated for instance. I also personally beleive this is one issue (Überbevölkerungs)we are already beginning to take small footsteps as a planet towards slowly raising our conciousness to waking up to the destruction our overpopulation levels are causing, irregardless if some parties in power wish to ignore or supress the facts. I read in a recent scientific journal published April of this year in an article about moving beyond war: "'Under certian conditions' he (noted Professor) says, warfare 'stops on a dime' as a result of ecological or cultural change. Two keys to peace, he believes, are controlling population growth and finding cheap alternatives to fossil fuels' it went on to further say 'Major obstacles include religioius fundamentalism, which not only triggers conflicts but also contributes to the suppression of women, global warming, which might produce ecological crisis and spur social unrest and violence, overpopulation'" I have further links for those interested, including burgouening ideas for cleaning up the ecosphere but will leave it up to the moderators if I should post them or not, I don't want to bring any harm to the mission. My perception is that there is a meaning of hope interlaced in Billy's writings which doesn't mean our future is all good or easy but eventually we as a planet will fiqure out what we need to so we can become true human beings. And now the process begins with the individual. The way I see it, if you read Billy's material in this current time you are simply have an early start ahead of the average person but at some distant point in the future the mainstream Earthhuman will no longer consider his works laughable but quite frankly the truth they seem to be. hope this helps Corey Das innere des menschen ist der Boden, die Welt ist das Samenkorn. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2007 |
In regards to overpopulation here is another peice which (among other things) reiterates the need for a planetary direct democracy and the importance of recognizing overpopulation as the root cause of human induced global warming: http://www.figu.org/ch/downloads/figu-offener-brief-03pdf btw here is a cool picture I found of an infostand in Bern: http://www.figu.org/ch/node/1364 I really admire FIGU. here is an image (sorry it's so small) that shows how scarce water is getting as it is being redirected into cities that keep growing larger. <img> we are also (due to our overpopulation) draining our underground water tables faster then they can naturally regenerate and without getting into politics we as a planet will probably have to learn cooperation with each other congruently with learning how to repair the planetary disruptions we have been causing. Hopefully this can be done before we start running out of food as we can see from Billy's loss of arable land statistics. Don't get me wrong I try not to delude myself about the true state of the world but as a resident of a country that is imperilisitic and extreme and agressive as mine is, I can see the importance of a direct democracy and a logical multinational peacekeeping force and humane population reducitons so my vote could count for the truth. Corey Das innere des menschen ist der Boden, die Welt ist das Samenkorn. | ||
Peacelovefreedom New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 04-2008 |
Hi, Badr,Rarena, Edward, Indi, Corey, and all others, Thank you very much for your information. I need to take a look at them carefully. It is encouraging for me to read your posted messages. Where I came originally from is Japan and media tends to report slow population growth as negative one. I hope human beings could appreciate the population decrease. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 09-2007 |
Hello all There are several organizations concerned with the population issues, I wanted to share this one that I have found some time ago: Optimum Population Trust (UK) http://www.optimumpopulation.org/ | ||
Jonas Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 04-2008 |
Hi All Does anybody have Billy's take on 2012 Is it true the powers that be are going to begin with the reduction of population before 2012 / before nibiru comes or the date the mayan callender suggests for the end of times. I have read Billy stated appart from some upheavels the earth is just going to go on but does anybody have any links for more info or tell me that 2012 is just another date and all the doomsday stories are crap. Appreciate anyones input even your view . I can feel the spirit in this forum ! John from Australia | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1464 Registered: 12-1999 |
Jonas, You might want to do a search on the forum for the year 2012, this has come up before. Scott | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2007 |
peacelovefreedom, yes I beleive all of us are still "Hüter der Erde" Japan however is currently doing some interesting studies into to the process known as "microgravity" which is mixing different metals in space itself (ISS) to acheive different densities and letting it be well known in the media (Planetes manga)instead of secrecy maybe that is what will truly take us to Mars in the future not NASA you never know Corey Das innere des menschen ist der Boden, die Welt ist das Samenkorn. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 10-2007 |
<img> the "hard science" of this (small) Non FIGU article: -as of 2007, over 6 million acres of land already affected by loss of arable land -1/3 of Asia and 2/3 of Africa will be lost(dryland infant mortality rate is already over 66%)by 2025 -more then 30% of the land west of the Mississipi river in North America is already showing signs of desertification unfortunately it contains no mention at all of lowering population numbers... in comparison: 1) article numbers 6,500,000,000 billion humans 2) FIGU numbers: 7,684,227,416 billion humans = 7 (Millarden), 684 Millionen, 227 Tausend und 416 Humans as of 11.Dec.2007... Billys loss of arable land statistics are hard truth indeed considering any "hard science" numbers are to small. Also consider the rising ocean levels and the climate refugees (Klima-Migration) what on earth are we planning to do if we don't begin to listen to Billy and the Plejeran advices? I had one child ten years ago long before I found out about Billy, but she is my last one. Salome Corey harmonisches Funktionieren zu lernen | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1129 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Corey..... Very observant of you! Yes: WHAT are we to do? The Politicians seem to not care a hoot, as far as I can make out. NO ONE...is talking about - Birth control -, anymore. Mr. Berlisconi, won the election in Italy, as president, and he offered to those whom have more children...e1000,-, during his campaign! As I watched from a news report. BUYING his votes....just to win, which he did. Scandalous! Just as in one of the provinces, here....in the country I live, a Reformed Christian, made the same point as Mr. Berlisconi! He found that his province was - Underpopulated -, and thus....BAD for the economy! Can you imagine! The above mentioned are NOT TRUE leaders! Just representatives of Deception! Edward. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Corey, Overpopulation is a serious problem. What to do? As you mentioned limit the number of offsprings. A family should not have more than 3 children. You can also inform others about it. Politicians do not care. This year we saw further signs that the problem is getting more serious as food riots were televised from around the world, which was due to skyrocketing food commodities prices.. The price of rice went from USD 350 last year to above USD 1000 this year. A tripling in just one year. Rice is a staple of 3bn people in south-east Asia, west Africa and central America. For people, many of whom live on less than 2 dollars a day, it’s serious. But even as this is going on, there is still no serious discussion that overpopulation is behind it. Politicians are instead busy putting blame on trade restrictions, tariffs, ethanol production, weather and so on. I saw one headline though: Prince Philip: 'Just too many people to feed' http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/theroyalfamily/1944643/Prince-Philip-Just-too-many-people-to-feed.html And notice this paragraph from the article: quote The comments will spark renewed debate about population growth and birth control, and refocus attention on the Duke as a figure of controversy. Unquote So that’s how this issue is looked at even today. - Anybody doing as he does, telling that overpopulation is the cause , becomes branded as a figure of controversy. Regards Kaare | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 03-2008 |
Hi Kaare, Just a small comment about what to do with overpopulation. You said "A family should not have more than 3 children". I don't think that is going to help the situation today though. In my opinion, you are talking about the stage in which we already reduced greatly our population and we are now maintaining it. But it is not the case today. So drastic measures need to take place. I would say that a family should have 1 or no children at all until the population is reduced to a more reasonable number. Only then can we maintain it by having a max. of 3 children per family. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 10-2007 |
Hi Edward, that is terrible he bought his votes to assume a ridiculous position of power and add to the world trauma problem. They definitely seem like representatives of deception indeed these religious influences need to be absolved. Hi Kaare, That was a great article, I was amazed to read how Prince Phillip so boldly named problem, and I see what you mean by the quotation. His remarks made a lot of sense to me instead of being branded as controversial he should be listened to. I know what you mean about the price of rice and other food prices spiraling out of control, I recently saw something somewhere not to long ago about new developments of growing rice being done in the Phillapines that will use less water and be more cost effective, (conservation) and Im all for repairing the ecosphere by purposeful uses of our sciences and i'm definitely into renewable energies, and very seldom see the two concepts put together (population reductions) with (ecosphere repair) except in FIGU materials which always keeps me reading Sonder Bulletin 41. I see more political and scientific movements currently leaning towards ecosphere repair and cannot wait for the day in this lifetime or perhaps another where the principals outlined in FIGU's neutraler Form solutions including the 7 Jahres-Zyklen (7 year cycle) are in motion. Until then, Im done having children in my personal sphere. My brother waited naturally until he was 33 to have his first child recently and I think he made the right choice but I explained to him somewhat about overpopulation and he seemed to indicate he wasn't interested in any more either. Adysor I can also see your point as well we presumably still are in dire need of a world wide birth stop... I guess that is the coolest thing about FIGU Schriften, as soon as I beleive I am being Logical I read something else that changes my whole outlook and helps me realize I have a long way to go in Logical understanding. at least we have these forums we can openly discuss overpopulation and other topics of interest in our learning. Corey harmonisches Funktionieren zu lernen | ||
Matthew_deagle Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 08-2007 |
Corey, That was a great article, I was amazed to read how Prince Phillip so boldly named problem, and I see what you mean by the quotation. His remarks made a lot of sense to me instead of being branded as controversial he should be listened to. I know what you mean about the price of rice and other food prices spiraling out of control, I recently saw something somewhere not to long ago about new developments of growing rice being done in the Phillapines that will use less water and be more cost effective, (conservation) and Im all for repairing the ecosphere by purposeful uses of our sciences and i'm definitely into renewable energies, and very seldom see the two concepts put together (population reductions) with (ecosphere repair) except in FIGU materials which always keeps me reading Sonder Bulletin 41. Regardless of the validity of the threat of overpopulation, Prince Philip was irresponsible and illogical in having said that he would come back as a virus to kill the surplus population. This is stupid, immortal, inhumane, illogical, would create more problems than it would solve, and is in direct contrast to Billy and the Plejaren's logical solution to this problem, namely a birth stop, birth-control laws, and permits for having children, etc. Prince Philip comes from a very wealthy culture and may not always be quite in touch with reality. He and Charles have promoted some good causes, but at times they get a bit megalomaniacal. Salome, - Matthew | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1132 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi All.... Well, I CAN understand Prince Philip's point of view concerning what he said: come back as a virus to kill the surplus population. It is not to be taken as a joke! Those whom have studied the Contact Notes properly KNOW....that in the end, such immense Global Overpopulation WILL Generate a 'Virus' of some sort which will flood itself over the/our planet, and Neutralize this problematic! As has been the case with a number of planets in the past; the Plejarans made know to us. Thus, OUR Destiny may just as well be comparable as the mentioned above, if no other Logical results/steps are taken! Edward. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Edward, Exactly right. Prince Philip's virus remark lead me to believe that he has studied nature and correctly identified the virus as one of natures own tool it uses to curb excess numbers, be it of humans, animals or birds. Thereby bringing balance to the environment essential for the planets ability to uphold sustainable life over the long term. As I understand it, the Nature senses imbalances though impulses. It then takes necessary counter measures to bring the situation back to balance. Another thing that happens, as I understand it, is that the more overpopulation grows, the more peoples immune system and organs weakens. Thus making the population more susceptible to virus epidemic plagues. I think it is great that Prince Philip is speaking out and raising awareness of this important issue. Since he, along with other royals, seem to get a lot of press. What they do and say reach a wide public. As you mentioned, there are examples of this in the contact notes, and it has also been brought up on this board before. One of the planets mentioned, located in the Centauri region originally had 3,7 billion inhabitants. Then due to an interplanetary war spanning 26 worlds, a massive influx of war refuges migrated to this one planet. Adding huge numbers to its population and it shot up to 120 billon over a short time span. So a massive population overshoot resulted. Virus epidemics and calamities then ensued next and this brought the population sharply down to only 1.26 billion. And the population decimation went fast. 119 billion people died on this planet over a period of just 21 months . It is an example over how nature, through impulses, senses an imbalance and takes the necessary counter measurement to bring life on the planet back in balance and sustainability. Regards Kaare | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 356 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi Kaare, Regarding your sentence „how nature, through impulses, senses an imbalance and takes the necessary counter measurement to bring life on the planet back in balance and sustainability.” Thinking about it I don’t see that there is a conscious counter measure if that is what is in your mind. To be more specific earth always had some sort of epidemics or natural catastrophes, and it didn’t always relate to the population of the earth. But what plays a bigger role is when there are a huge number of people living next to each other and in accommodation complexes; such incidents are much more damaging. Like the recent earth quake in China, the reason so many died is because there were too many living in the same place, added to poor building construction. So with an epidemic it wouldn’t be much different, it would be nearly impossible to create quarantine zone to stop any epidemics from spreading. So, rather than seeing it as nature fighting back, it is actually the results of overpopulation that makes it so hard to protect life, from the natural catastrophes that continually happen. Salome, Badr | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1134 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Kaare and Badr.... Very well put, Kaare, and to the point! Badr, it is just plain old: Consequences - Cause and Effect. It is as Simple as that. If there is NO Balance within the framework of Earth, even the Powers of Mother Earth will generate a 'countermeasure' to retain back her Equilibrium. It would be a combination 'processing' of Mother Earth as well as the mentioned Overpopulation, itself. We must not forget, that even Nature can become ill, and form all sorts of 'fungus' types(and so forth) around her environment if she can not exist in a Balanced manner; and these generated fungus types will generate new components within her environment and air, and will have a Negative Affect on all human life forms, even animals, or whom... are easily susceptible to contract them. Thus, the Viruses and Plagues would be generated by the Consequences of the BOTH, in this case. Thus, you both have the correct idea of the concept.... Edward. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Badr, Thanks for your thoughts on this matter. I think in regards to the overpopulation issue it is most important to focus on cause and effect. A certain action from our side leads to a certain reaction from natures side. One effect from increasing overpopulation is increasing natural disasters which becomes more catastrophic as population increases. Like the recent earth quake in China that you mentioned is a good example. You pointed out the reason so many died is because there were too many living in the same place, added to poor building construction. I fully agree with that. It can further be added that simply the congregation of so many people in a city, along with the buildings and infrastructure can cause earthquakes to happen in the first place. As it leads to considerable stress being transferred into the earths upper crust Same goes with Dams, which there has been built a lot of in China. They are equally bad, also causing stress to earths crust. This has been mentioned in the contact notes years ago,and also recently appeared in news paper articles, like this one: Skyscraper that may cause earthquakes. http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2005/dec/02/naturaldisasters.climatechang And you are correct in that unconscious counter measures was what I had in mind in regards to Nature sensing imbalances through impulses and trying to rectify same. The law of cause and effect also apply in regards to virus epidemic plagues. The planet, or nature should I say, strives to keep everything in balance. And it has the ability , as I understand it, on an impulse basis to register the status of this balance, in an unconscious way. Virus epidemic plagues and natural catastrophes are part of natures own defense mechanism that it has in its disposal and which it can be unleash when it senses this balance has been breached by overpopulation. It can do so in order to rectify the imbalance and bring population level back to normal. Again nature does in accordance with the the law of cause and effect. Regards Kaare | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2008 |
I was reading what you all have said so far in this section and I found a contact info regarding overpopulation and nature, it reads: "Billy: Okay - forget the question. I have another one about overpopulation: Isn't it conceivable that life itself is beginning to fight back because of the rising and spreading overpopulation, and that life will increasingly generate more epidemics and diseases to combat the escalating overpopulation? Isn't it true that the excessive proliferation by human beings makes their bodies and organs, as well as their entire immune system increasingly more vulnerable, feeble and deficient. The same even holds true for Man's consciousness. It follows then that allergies must grow in variety and frequency, with world pollution also playing a major role. Human beings are ever more lackadaisical and feeble in their responsibility, which extends all the way to total irresponsibility. This manifests itself also in the fact that criminals of all types are judged more falsely humane and are given more lenient punishment - they are often even allowed to go free. The thinking about and the search for the meaning of life is increasingly influenced by sectarian and religious idiots, abetting the expansion of sectarian fanaticism and total alienation to the world around us, etc., etc. Must this not result in nature and life ultimately raising a counterattack, that is, through epidemics and catastrophes of the elements, so that human beings are eradicated by the hundreds, possibly even billions? I still can remember that Quetzal and Semjase also spoke of something similar that once took place on other planets in former times. Ptaah That is correct: When humans on a planet proliferate excessively, nature and life autonomously interfere, which leads to the forced curbing of surplus life forms. Such a curbing and elimination of excess life forms, in this case human beings, ensues first and foremost through epidemics. However, the same thing also happens because life forms, human beings once again, become frail, if not to say incapable of living, due to their bodies, organs and immune system becoming then too weak. Furthermore, nature and life also retaliate against excesses in human beings through catastrophes by way of the elements of nature, and other things." End of quote, I also want to say that earthquakes and other catastrophes can have other causes, since the earth has been changing its surface through these events, and it has been happening when there was no humans on earth who could tip the balance of nature. However, I think that some catastrophes are related to climate change and there we have contributed greatly, like global warming. mb | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 28 Registered: 05-2008 |
Right Marcela, we can't blame overpopulation for everything as earthquakes have always been here, wars, plagues, diseases, epidemics, etc ... way before there was any global overpopulation situation. It doesn't take a rocket scientist, a prophet or a Plejaren to see what man is bringing down in his own environs, backyard, living room, because of too many people. I grew up in a suburb outside a big city. It was very much country back then. Now, they have developed almost every beautiful undeveloped space within many miles. Its hideous, disgusting and shows complete disregard for the environment, beauty, health & harmony in general. Billy is good at using words to frame such catastrophes, and words are necessary, but still they fall short of actuality. Me & you can talk until the cows come home, enact this law & that law, but until 'creational laws' percolate into the collective consciousness of man, all injustices will continue to be repeated. |
