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    Scott Moderator Post Number: 1509 Registered: 12-1999 |
Michael, My mistake the disease was Proterie, which is not the same as Progeria. An excerpt from a talk between JHWH Ptaah and Billy Meier about the Roswell Incident 256th contact of May 13, 1996: Billy: "... Another question: Florena told me that I should ask you about the name of the illness the 16-years old girl, who was so slanderously presented as an extraterrestrial in the Santilli film, had caught. What was the girl's illness?" Ptaah: "Proterie. ..." (Proterie = protoplasmic change of the entire substance of living human, animal and plant cells. This has nothing in common with the disease progeria | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 397 Registered: 04-2006 |
I have done a little research and yeah, its contact 256 where Billy discusses the autenticity of the Ray Santilli video. He says santilli's video is fake. http://us.figu.org/portal/Facts/RoswellIncident/tabid/111/Default.aspx The only shocking thing is that Ptaah calls the disease Proteria, not Progeria. | ||
Redbeard Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 04-2006 |
When I did a search for Proteria I came across a link to this old medical dictionary saying that the word proteria is a "vulgar name for elephantiasis, or lepra". I'm not sure whether these diseases are the same based on how the picture of the corpse i'm sure there would be even more research involved for someone more medically educated. http://books.google.com/books?id=PmohO5jV2YsC&pg=RA1-PA646&dq=Proterie+disease | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 224 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Matt There is no 'disease' presently called 'Proteria' here on earth that I am aware of. And, elephatiasis and leprosy do not lead to someone looking as in the pic. There is a syndrome called 'Proteus syndrome' which is the condition that the famous Elephant Man is now believed to have suffered from. However, that also does not lead to an appearance as in that pic. Who knows what Ptaah's 'proteria' really is although, sometimes people do sometimes spell progeria with a 't' instead of a 'g' which is most likely just an error. On another note -- I have read a report where Ray Santilli supposedly says that there were only 4 frames from the original film used, but the rest was reconstructed for the whole thing. If that is the case, then not sure what to think of Ptaah's comment! Robjna | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 72 Registered: 04-2007 |
indi is right ray did say that he merely reconstructed the original movie from very limited frames. When the movie brightens up then fades out that is the transition that he was using the original footage. He originally got the real footage from a man that kept it in his basement and unfortunately mold and other environmental effects happen to the tape. But rest assured that the video you saw is not 100% fake i would say no more then 5% of the tape IS the original autopsy. Sad case that it was a female who had progera or whatever the disease is. If not too much could moderators ask billy meier what EXACTLY the disease was to help clerify poor translation on this part. A very creepy film... They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 33 Registered: 04-2008 |
Thank you all the friends, Hector, thanks but I think we are facing another obscurity. two remarks from FIGU (Pljerans): 1- Roswell was a crash from Z- reticuli with some androids aboard. 2- It was fake story and she was a 16 years old girl with disease?! Salome Friends | ||
Hector Member Post Number: 398 Registered: 04-2006 |
Hi Behzad point 2- is partially true, it's the video presented by someone called Ray Santilli what's fake. The story seesms to be true, androids and their ship actually crashed in Roswell. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 253 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hello everyone, Has anyone ever asked why the director of this 'Roswell autopsy' movie didn't show whats left of the original footage (even if it's only 20 seconds or less. We can still see the frames.) and then show the recreation. I personally think this man never came into posession of the real footage. It's all very strange. How could someone be so careless as to not know where the original footage is within his own film! Has he offered an explanation as to where the 'original film' is today. Now as for the girl who supposedly had proteria or progeria. I doubt that was actually a girl. It looks too much like a dummy. It looks like it's made out of Plastic or rubber (especially the eyes.) Now, maybe they put some mask or suit on the girl but why would they higher her when they could just make a dummy, which is what it looked like... | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 26 Registered: 02-2008 |
Behzad, 1. Yes the Roswell crash was from Z-reticuli, and only androids were aboard. 2. The Santilli film that was supposed to be an alien autopsy film isn't actually an autopsy of one of the androids; it's an autopsy of a 16 year old girl who had "Proterie". Reece Stiller | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 04-2008 |
thank you Hector, now its become more clear to me Dave , as you and also Hector pointed here, I think the P,s explained two separate subject 1- Roswell was real 2- 'Roswell autopsy' movie is exactly a fake story. am I right? and as you know we have another picture of a creature in Net that allegedly belongs to the Roswell case that is completely different from the 'Roswell autopsy' movie! Dave, It dosent seems that Roswell autopsy' movie also looks very real! it dosent looks like a human body at all Salome Friends | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 04-2007 |
my last post was completely ignored....in my view.. the director of the movie obtained snipplets of a real autopsy and recreated it with today technology or w/e. Yes the recreated one was a dummy!Also most of the original footage was filled with mold and other enviromental harmful effects also a side know i THINK my grandmother said something about taking a picture of a dead alien at roswell. She unfortunately lost the picture in a fire...or so i have been told. But she was there so she knows for certain that roswell happened... Just though you guys might wanna know. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 78 Registered: 03-2008 |
Why do I get the feeling that this will remain a mystery for all time....even though people will try to find more evidence.... they will get more confused and the only thing they will be based upon is their belief.... Adrian. | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 35 Registered: 04-2008 |
Thanks Marks and all friends Salome Friends | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 04-2008 |
Friends Pardon again But if any body knows why z-reticuli spacecraft crashed? what was the cause? why they couldent landing solemnly? or continue their journey? Salome Friends | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 322 Registered: 03-2007 |
In the 253rd Contact on November 1, 1995, Florena provided some additional insight concerning the Roswell autopsy film: Billy: How are we to judge the authenticity of the Roswell film, which allegedly depicts the autopsy of an extraterrestrial being? Florena: We could not find any evidence whatsoever that a certain Jack Barnett or Jack Barret existed or actually filmed the footage as Ray Santilli initially identified the man. We even took the time to travel back in time to the period of the crash in order to SCAN the actual location. Our findings were totally different from those shown in the movie. Furthermore, there was no photographer or cameraman present who was filming and later allegedly absconded with several rolls of film. Photographs were taken and filming was indeed going on but by members of the Army and the Secret Service, and they delivered all of the related material to the appropriate offices. According to our investigations, the film is a despicable hoax that cannot be outdone in tastelessness, because the defrauders mercilessly and criminally abused a 16-year-old girl whom they used as their model after she died of an illness that had deformed her. Unfortunately, I am not familiar with medical science, but Ptaah can give you more details when he visits you again. Regards Bob | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 04-2008 |
Hector , Marks, Bob I,m not convinced yet in some how. we have this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQlpACCcq4Y and this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzmmlaZ9b9I - as you see the body shape, injuries in right foot and exactly the from and the size of the foots in second movie IS VERY like the first one! isn't it? - the first movie is a real one right? it dosent seems to be a hoax. - if the body in second one was real , It is very strange to be a 16 year old girl body at all!! see the from of the body, its shape , specially bigness of the foots, face , ears and the open eyes. have you ever seen or known any record of a dead body like this?! we must accept the subject as remained unsolved question? ;) Salome Friends | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 334 Registered: 10-2005 |
Behzad, Apparently, the craft crashed in Roswell due to interactions with microwave radiation over a nuclear military base. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 323 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hello Behzad I understand what you are saying. The eyes in the autopsy tape are certainly not human eyes. But in the contact I posted above, Florena does not say that it is the cadaver of the 16-year old girl that is being autopsied. Rather that the girl was used as their ‘model’. I think that is a significant choice of words. One possibility of what she may have meant, is that her cadaver could have been used to make a full body mold or cast from which a duplicate of similar body structure is created and details or special effects such as the eyes are added later. This is a common technique in making human replicas for wax museums and you can find lots of information about this on the internet. A model was even used in making a body replica for the US president as mentioned in this article: “The museum didn't have the luxury of a fitting with Bush, but the staff did recruit a man of similar height and weight to stand in for a full body cast.” http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/11/03/MN.DTL I think the misunderstanding comes when Billy asks Ptaah later, what disease the girl suffered from to make her body so diminutive and deformed. But it was Florena who was first on the scene to report back, having taken the task to time-travel and it is her words that should be scrutinized most. I could be wrong about this, but it makes the most sense to me given the limited data available. Let me make the observation as well, that the contact notes are full of incidences where Semjase or another will provide to Billy what they consider to be a clear explanation about some topic only to have Billy return in the very next contact asking for further explanation or clarification because it is not so clear to him what was meant. I am not sure what you mean, Behzad, about the similarities between the first and second film. Are they not merely edited segments from the same film? Regards Bob | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1190 Registered: 02-2000 |
It looks staged to me. I love the way people that come here pick & choose the stuff they want to believe. Most of the time Meier & friends are correct. Heck they even time traveled that event. Please you the hyperlink button when posting a URL. My Website | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 04-2008 |
Rarena, many thanks for sharing. I think it is a very interesting subject to talk. I haven't heard it before and maybe did not read it even. I mean this is interesting story that how the crash was happened. even we can guess that the Roswell case was a reconnaissance mission from z-reticuli in order to recognize the situation or the capability of a exact nuclear military base ( specially if it happened for example after testing and eventually dropping the Atomic Bombs in WW2) even It could be sending a flying object (spacecraft) right to the powerful circuit microwave radiation in order to test the results of encountering. specially when we learn that the Roswell space craft was a robotic one and was controled from its Center. Salome Friends | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 04-2008 |
Thank you Bob your comment was very useful to me. ((I am not sure what you mean, Behzad, about the similarities between the first and second film. Are they not merely edited segments from the same film?)) No Sir, I mean the cadaver in both films are very similar (maybe even up to the point) even the shape of the feet and the wound in right foot could be said is the same. I wonder WHY such a fake case (autopsy and film of it) must be made? we must assume and connect it with some thing like MIB case? Not Much Convincing. It could be secret program of US Government at that time in order to cover and hide the real Roswell case? ..Maybe Yes. - Strange to me that P,s with near 2000 ( or some thing like this) flying object and monitoring instruments and stations around the Globe dident have any recorded report (footage) of the Case!! maybe even they dident know what happened there at exact time and only after asking them, they made time travel back to the time point! It dosent seem so strange to you, friends? Salome Friends | ||
Bodhran New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi all my name is Tony, I live in Ireland and I am new to the forum so I apologise if this is not the appropriate place for this post. I came to Billy's story fairly recently and I have been doing my own research into Billy's contacts and reading the teachings and contact notes for the past couple of months. All of which I find facinating and spiritualy uplifting. To get to my point, there have been marks that appeared on my car almost a year and a half ago that will not wash off or seem to fade,I had thought they were just random marks and I didn't think to even examine properly them until seeing the pictures of the car hand prints left by visitors to the FIGU center. I examined them yesterday for the first time and they are hand prints with visible fingerprints and palm prints. Although they appear to have five fingers and a thumb not six like in the other pictures. They are still on my car and I can send pics if anyone is interested. I apololgise again if this is the wrong place to discuss this, but I would like to discuss it with someone if possible or be directed to someone who might be interested. Thanking you, Tony. | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 01-2007 |
(Dear moderators, apologies for long post, please use chainsaw were you deem necessary) Hi Behzad You raise some interesting questions about the Roswell case and the staged autopsy film (which in my opinion is a slimy disinformation ploy by whomever is involved) which is supposed to show one of the deceased [non-terrestrial] pilots of the craft. Some say that, well, perhaps the film shows a true autopsy of a being from another crash that perhaps happened at a later date, that’s all very well but where is the evidence on the same par with the Roswell incident? Experts involved in film technology including Kodak, to professional medical persons cast serious doubt as to the authenticity / contents of the said film. A quick search here on the FIGU forum will reveal 34 main links and associated sub-links talking about this very subject. Billy has published pertinent information as relayed by the Plejarens in official contact reports (see contact 203, 251, 257), and bulletins (3, 4, 5, 59, 61) to name but a few, there is probably additional information in German not translated as of yet. Billy was also asked about the Roswell incident in the section “You’re Questions to Billy Meier Answered” as examples: Q. Who made the Roswell biological androids? A. Human beings from the Zeta Reticuli system and Q. How many ET spacecraft crashes have there been on earth since 1900 (eg Roswell) what years did they occur and what locations? A. About 6 or 7, in the USA, Russia, China, Scandinavia and elsewhere. Some of them were not found, or were kept secret. All passengers died. There were no Plejaren(s) involved. We must remember that right from the start we had the truth; it was a crashed disc of non-terrestrial origin, then we had the lies, a weather balloon, well that one explanation didn’t really work now did it, then it was a secret Balloon project for detection of nuclear explosion tests, well that didn’t cut the mustard either regarding eye-witness’s accounts to non-terrestrial people. That followed a later release by the US Air force with the explanation of anthropomorphic test devices (ATDs) fancy words for human looking dummies in size, form, mobility, weight, covered in synthetic material resembling some characteristics of flesh to explain the people of non-terrestrial origin (however they are incapable of movement). I wonder what fable “they” will come up with next after this additional sideline of the staged autopsy and related films to confuse folk and muddy the waters of what truly happened in July of 1947, it could be asked who the real dummies are regarding all of this, is this another case of DDT (decoy, distract and trash) as alluded to by Steven Greer with the amount of disinformation out there and the setting up of people for a fall? Billy and the Pleajrens gave us advice to be careful of the validity of the alleged alien autopsy film and have distinctly advised us on numerous occasions to use our logical reasoning, to find truths for ourselves; to establish facts as best we can and simply [I’m just paraphrasing here] that there’s no getting over the tough hard donkey work that we need to undertake to find truths and establish facts and hence gain knowledge and wisdom in our continuing evolution. There is other corroborating evidence apart from Mr. Meier’s and the Plejarens from different sources, i.e. folk that were there, folk that have certain knowledge of the reality of the Roswell event and the ensuing curtain of silence that fell like a darkness. I could suggest to you to look at the eyewitness evidence contained within “the Disclosure Project”, over 400 military, government and intelligence folk that have bravely come forward to talk openly about such similar incidents and to re-confirm the fact that indeed craft and non-terrestrial beings (bio-androids included I guess) have succumbed to accidental (perhaps also deliberately caused by terrestrials) crashes in various geographical areas of planet Earth, the mechanisms as to why some crashes occurred were allegedly due to high power experimental RADAR and further development of microwave technology as Rarena wrote. There has been numerous books written on the subject of the Roswell incident (perhaps most bad and some good), one book I would highly recommend to you is “Witness To Roswell” by T.J. Carey and R. Schmitt (ISBN-13: 978-1564149435) published in 2007, in my opinion perhaps the most convincing and well researched book I have come across regarding the crash at Roswell. As a (very) amateur astronomer with also an interest in ETI it would make sense, at least to me, for any space faring civilization capable of just beginning exploring other star systems of approximate same spectral and main sequence type by sub-light technology, say within a volume of 50 light years radius of their planet to send out highly advanced self replicating exploration / reconnaissance probes first, even those that perhaps came later with bio-engineered life forms capable of withstanding the rigors of interstellar travel, i.e. extended operating life span, biophysical makeup to cope with extremes of gravity, exploring new worlds / biospheres, intelligence to cope with various events and situations, in other words engineered to do the job well and report back perhaps eventually to the parent civilization that manufactured such creatures which as Billy has told us are Human [supposedly then these humans look similar to us and the Plejaren] and hail from the direction of the constellation “Reticulum” which can be viewed from both northern and southern hemispheres depending on the time of year. Zeta Reticuli star system is a wide binary system approximately 39 light years distant with both stars physically similar to our own Sun. Telescopic investigations as to giant Jupiter like extrasolar planets around this system did not show up anything but did offer the possibility that there may exist Earth like planets around this system, we won’t really know for sure until the “Terrestrial Planet Finder” and “James Webb Space Telescope” missions come on line in a few years time and if they look in that direction. It is interesting to note that there are approximately 2000 stars within a radius of 50 light years of the Sun, the majority of them are sun-like, that’s a lot of stars, a lot of exploration and a lot of time if utilizing sub-light speed technologies. I wonder how far in advance of us (including spiritually) are the humans from that system? If we can get over Roswell, I think even the dog in the street knows at this point that something not of this Earth occurred in July of 47’ and give the same level of media coverage to the Meier case (Michael is doing his best in this regard despite the flak he takes), then I wonder how would things in general change and move us further in our evolution to something far more positive than we currently have? Salome and goodwill to you Mike |
