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    Cpl Member Post Number: 360 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Tony, Welcome to the forum. Back in 1999 I published a paper on a Hand Analysis of the alleged drawing of an alien hand presented to researcher Leonard Stringfield allegedly from the doctor who was involved with the autopsy. The alleged alien or "biologically robotic being" (BRB) as I eventually described it -- Billy said the Roswell ones were a kind of biological robotic android -- seems to have been from a/the Kingman, Arizona crash retrieval (though many who never really researched it and never got to the alleged doctors who said in private to Stringfield that it was from Kingman just assumed, almost certainly inaccurately, that it was a Roswell retrieval). Initially I thought this was a hoax because I can read quite a bit about the hand, even just from its general shape, and I have a good collection of books on the subject with which to carry out research, as well as my own 30-odd years non-remunerative experience of "reading hands" which is very difficult -- and fallible -- though there are certain givens that almost always hold up. Upon studying and checking in great detail the BRB hand drawing I realized to my great surprise that the emerging character profiled exactly that of the oft described Grey alien. I sent one of the few copies of my report to Betty Andreasson Luca who, impressed with it, sent me a copy of her charcoaled print of the oily alien hand print she found on her mirror one day. She has not, to my knowledge, spoken openly about this, but did mention it to me as she hoped I could tell her something. Unfortunately it was too far removed from earth humans -- and those of the Kingman, Arizona BRB -- with no clear delineation of digit length or characteristics showing any relation to our digits for me to supply her with a reading of it. If you want you can send me a copy of the prints to gbcyd@yahoo.com and I'll tell you what I can surmise, if it is possible to surmise anything. There may just be too little detail to say much at all; it all depends on the nature of the print and what detail there is. If the prints under discussion were of ETs then this would seem to me to be the place to discuss them as it would constitute ET visitation and possible interaction, though "intervention" would be pure speculation. BTW I referred to the subject of my analysis as a BRB rather than using the popularized EBE (extraterrestrial biological entity) because: 1. I had no proof of anything extraterrestrial. 2. It was clear from the hand depicted that basically it had to have masters or programs to follow and so was best described as robotic, but obviously biologic and not mechanical. 3. I thought and felt that the word "being" was better suited than "entity" which conjured up New Age images of some non-physical type and this was clearly physical, if genuine. I had no idea what kind of being it was, but could say, and only could say, it was some kind of being, assuming the drawing genuine, which I eventually had no alternative but to conclude, as hoaxing a hand drawing that exactly portrayed such a unique and unearthly character in every given detail was against almost all logic and reason. Or, the odds of it being hoaxed seemed astronomical (pun perhaps significant). Best, Chris | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 04-2008 |
Very Dear Mick, I respect your patience and the time you put here, I enjoyed your detailed and interesting explanation of the Case. Indeed I agree with you. Lets say this is just our hope that day by day more cases of ET encounters will emerge and will take place. A Good Hope to pull it away all things from the darkness and Cosmopoletic comes to the hand of the interested public. So It Be Salome Friends | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 43 Registered: 04-2008 |
Dear Moderators , I think I made a mistake about the writing the Name of Mike correctly . Please make it correct after me thx Salome Friends | ||
Pureharmony Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 08-2002 |
Hello Behzad and Bob, Regarding the alleged Roswell video and the eyes in the autopsy tape: The eyes do look human after they remove the dark contact lenses around the time stamp of 10:17 on the video. However the eyes do seem larger than normal. I suppose this could be a result of the disease Ptaah refers to. It appears then also, that if it is a fake, they added an extra digit on the hands and feet. *pureharmony* | ||
Mike Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 01-2007 |
Hi Tony and welcome to the forum. Which part of Ireland are you in if you don’t mind me asking? Hi Behzad You are very welcome my friend. Mick or Mike or Michael or my Irish equivalent name for Michael is Mícheál (sounds like mee-hall) it doesn’t really matter. From my understanding of Billy’s material translated to English thus far, I think the prospects of closer interactions with us terrestrials and a small number of ET groups Billy alludes to could become more pronounced perhaps depending on a number of factors, I could be wrong on this and I cannot unfortunately provide you with references off the top of my head, i will need to research this more in depth. Perhaps our more knowledgeable members can help me / us out here. I wish you good progress (and all fellow members here) in your learning and discovery of the greater reality of creation and incorporating as best you can into your everyday life. Salome Mike | ||
Bodhran New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Chris and Mike, thanks for the welcome and replys. I'm living in Dublin at the moment but the hand prints appeared overnight when I was living in Kilkenny, about an hour and a half south of Dublin. I'm sending pics to you now Chris. Thanks again and Salome. Tony | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 04-2008 |
thank you all friends. I,m sure you must see this one already, can we count on it as true ? or false? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qrokvPRuBA&feature=related Salome Friends | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 362 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Tony, I'm a bit pushed for time and hope you don't mind me commenting here, as this may be of general interest. On the subject of ETs or biological robots/androids both your and Billy's car hand prints are very interesting in as much as they both show thumbs. I can't make out the thumb on your print, but will assume you have clearly identified those prints as only possibly being of a thumb, which seems likely given their thickness and general shape compared with the assumed fingers. I cannot make clear how many fingers or digits there actually are. Looks like six and one thumb on both yours and Billy's though you say for yours five and one thumb. It's difficult to be sure about this as there could be double prints or a finger could have moved and touched the car again independently of the hand giving the appearance of six fingers when there are actually five. Also on Billy's print there is another below the main one which tends to show four finger tips (there could be more) that are spaced quite like our own. You will notice that if there are five or six fingers then this looks very much like the hands in the alien film that Billy suggests could well be a hoax. This doesn't, however, necessarily mean the car prints are. The most significant factor to me of these prints is that, because there is a thumb, we are most likely looking at real humanoids and not androids. The defining feature of the Kingman Arizona biological robot/android was its lack of a thumb. I'll try to put a separate post on this aspect from my paper so you can properly appreciate this. Basically, lack of a thumb -- and this includes the bottom phalanx which incorporates the Mount of Venus -- shows no will power, no logic, and no emotion or family. These can be somewhat compensated for by other hand features - like a long index finger providing the bravery and will to get something accomplished -- but only to a very limited degree. What this means is that IMO the alien -- if it was an alien -- leaving this print was not an android of the Arizona or Kingman types but a more evolved and free thinking type of humanoid of some form. Your middle finger print supplied, Tony, looks very human indeed, and I would not be surprised to find that that one was from a human being as we know them, maybe even someone on the earth as it shows a degree of materialism evinced by the wide bottom phalanx and very clear print/pore lines indicating possible general robust health. The Kingman BRB/android did have this wider bottom phalanx feature though, but the fingers were much thinner indeed. Basically it shows a worker more concerned with day to day matters than an idealist or thinker/philosopher type of personality. Remember that the hand is created by the brain and being itself rather than being the dictator of things for the being. Hence the lack of a thumb indicates the lack of these areas (will, logic, emotion, family) within the brain itself, or the genetics. The will section of the thumb, for example, is known to be connected to the will section of the brain through nerves. While there are things we can change about the hand and its markings, somethings we cannot; like the divisions of the finger phalanxes and thumbs, or lack thereof. While it is possible to lengthen one's lifeline, for example, it is, after maturity, quite another to lengthen one's thumb. That would be equivalent IMO to changing your eye color; you'd need scientific application beyond what we currently have in order to achieve that. Even noted deficient lengths of these sections show brain deficiencies that we cannot -- as yet -- rectify. They are very reliable indicators. There are schools in India that read only the thumb, because it is so central to what we as humans are. Best, Chris | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 169 Registered: 12-2007 |
For Michel Horn Pardon friend, may I have your idea about the works of Jim Sparks? can we count on it as true and reliable case? is it useful to study them? thank you Salome M45 | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 06-2008 |
M45, there are trends of people that believe certain things in their minds. the most common is the hybrid non-sense. if something follows a trend, especially hybrids, its people putting their own twist on already known false information. | ||
The_original_dave Member Post Number: 255 Registered: 05-2007 |
Hello Tony, I am also interested in viewing those handprint pictures. Could you send them to me at dgunblatt@yahoo.es | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 661 Registered: 10-2000 |
Hi Mehraein62, I've never really looked into his story so I can't say anything about the specifics. And I am unaware of any substantial evidence for whatever claims he may have made. I consider the evidence in the Meier case to be the standard of proof of actual contact and I expect that people who claim contact should be able to meet the criteria established by Meier. Michael Horn | ||
Mehraein62 Member Post Number: 171 Registered: 12-2007 |
Dear Michal, Jpm thank you friends Salome M45 | ||
Bodhran New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Dave I've just sent those hand print pics to you, thanks for your interest. Does anyone know if any scientific analysis has been done of the FIGU center hand prints?? Salome Tony | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 363 Registered: 08-2004 |
Here's a new interaction and retrieval of some kind. Ours? Theirs? See the news video on You Tube here: http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=awGOXaAA0Ts&eurl=http://www.ufoblogger.blogspot.com/ http:// cpl | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 06-2008 |
Sorry to intrude but something of interest has recently begun to spread on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUs1FxSLtvE&feature=related Some of the usual groups ... Federation Of Light Ashtar Command, Angel Sandalphon etc are joining the frenzy adding variations to an announcement that an ET craft will be clearly visible for 3 days from 14 October 2008. This may be ..... 1. A hoax. 2. A staged event to further the NWO agenda .... all must unite against an ET invasion. 3. A precursor to some group (US black project) of ET's openly landing at a future date and asking to meet the pope or similar NWO scheme such as all earthlings must support a One World Government then we will land in peace & shower gifts of love sort of scenario. 4. Using a US black project craft as a scare tactic & excuse for Bush to cancel the November elections & declare a state of emergency. 5. A known or unknown friendly group of ET's doing something tangible & highly visible to shake up the NWO and various religions. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi Comrades, Thanks for the link, Ramirez. I wonder what the Forum would think of it. I do have a request. A week or so ago i came across the Wingmakers' school, so to speak.(www.wingmakers.com). Since then i have been going through the archives of the Discussionboard to find something about it, to know the opinions of the members here, FIGU or herr Meier - provided this topic was ever brought up to/by him - on this matter. In vain. Could you tell me what you know? Where i shall look? With sincere appreciation. Saalome! Adam. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 06-2008 |
Phenix. Thanks for your link ... very worthwhile site to explore. Apart from various cranks over the years there has never been an announcement predicting a highly visible UFO sighting very close to the future .... 6 weeks away. Over the past few days former astronaut Edgar Mitchell (6th man to walk the moon)went public stating in various interviews there are ET's, NASA & various governments have been concealing information & suppressing the truth. So who will come out next ..... Neil Armstrong ? Other information circulating states the craft to be involved is the same one as the Phoenix Lights vehicle so it's way too large to be a US black project. Interesting days ahead .... | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 8 Registered: 07-2008 |
Hi Ramirez, Interesting days ahead, indeed. We would see. I keep on wondering about the 'Wingmakers' for they come up with some rather amazing and revolutionary(and controversial!) things about the destiny of Mankind - did you get to the interview of the leader of that school, a certain James, from april 5th? (If not, once on the site, just type 'James interview' in the search area; there are two audio interviews and their transcripts.) Having heard of herr Meier and his Teaching only a month ago and hence lacking a serious knowledge of the matter, i am certainly not in a position to judge, but it seemed to me that the contain of Wingmakers'site does not go against the Teaching of herr Meier - once again, as far as i know and for the time being i do not know much. Well, i hope some other Comrades from the Forum would come forward. Salome! Adam. | ||
Jpm Member Post Number: 32 Registered: 06-2008 |
october 14th 2008 is too good to be true, therefore, it is a hoax. as is the 2012 baloney. | ||
Cpl Member Post Number: 366 Registered: 08-2004 |
Hi Phenix, There is very little discussion here about the WingMakers. "Why?" is an interesting question. Perhaps some think it is just a story and myth; and because here people seem to want only the unclothed truth, obviating the need -- and one could add the necessary development of discernment -- to weave through myth and its many meanings to come to realizations, it is discarded. If you investigate the two (the Meier and WingMakers materials) in some detail, as I have done for over 10 years on each, you will notice that there is a decided leaning towards the left and right brain approaches in the Meier and WingMakers materials respectively. Almost all people have a tendency to gravitate towards either one, having either predominantly left or right brain leanings. The WingMakers present a lot of music, organic art, creativity, stories, and feelings -- all very right brained -- with a good dose of science and metaphysics; here you'll find the emphasis on logic, reason, science, physical fact -- very left brained -- with a good dose of intuition and prophecy, though usually only Billy's and certainly with the focus on his. So don't be disappointed if you can't gain any useful opinions expressed here on the WingMakers material. It's just not the way of seeing things here. I have never asked Billy about the WingMakers. Living the life of a simple farmer and being inordinately busy with his writings I'm pretty sure he does not have the time or inclination to go surfing around the Internet, and with no one here (other than myself that I know of, though it's difficult to know as there is no real area or platform for "other" discussions) really interested in the WingMakers material, I'm pretty sure he would say he's never heard of them -- end of story. Don't, however, let that deter you from asking him if you are so inclined. Most really appreciative of and active within the WingMakers material will likewise probably find this forum too cold, lacking in feeling and like a men's club in the way it expresses itself (left brain again). The Plejaren art and Billy's symbols are all very geometric, based on logic and reason (scientific and left brain), while the WingMakers art and written symbols are very organic (right brained). This is not criticism, favoritism or a judgement in any way, just a statement of simple difference of character and fact, that anyone who knows anything about art and imagery would immediately recognize. If you can imagine yourself as a WingMaker or member of the High Council of Andromeda can you also imagine how you could or would best "intervene" on earth to guide her into a better more enlightened and spiritual future? Knowing the tremendous propensity for humans to lean either to the right or the left brain in expression and interest, how would or could you best assist all, especially knowing that the left and right brain oriented types seldom communicate with their counterparts for long, and eventually give up or lose interest in the other and their mode of expression? Would you perhaps "intervene" by sending your finest representatives gifted in the respective areas of left and right brain expression -- this being intervention from the inside as Earth residents and a level of "intervention" you could endorse? Best, Chris Author of papers on WingMakers Chamber paintings 1, 6, and 17. See free sample download paper at: http://www.wingmakers.com/chamber1paper.html. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 07-2008 |
Maybe, Jpm, maybe; who knows. One way or another, i assume that we can only go about our life, Spiritual Education and other matters we consider important and look forward to the days and events to come(should they indeed take place) with open mind and generous heart. Salome! | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 324 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi Adam,(Phenix)! The WingMakers material is a modern day mythology with spiritual overtones. It is fiction based on fact - as it is stated on their website. Mythologies, parables or story-telling with a spiritual theme, all have a place in consciousness-raising. Billy has written a few, himself. Has James been telepathically influenced by ETs? Possibly. He would not necessarily know it if he was. But the distinctive aesthetic flavor of the WingMakers material seems to appeal and resonate with a lot of people today – much like Rumi, the 13th century Persian poet, whose writings have similar right-brain appeal. I think the best way to experience the WingMakers is similar to watching a good science fiction movie. You know going into it that it is not literally true but while you watch, you adapt a “suspension of disbelief” giving yourself permission to experience it as if it was true. And like a parable, the truth of the story is secondary to the spiritual message being conveyed. By the way, Chris Lock (Cpl) has written a few posts comparing the Meier material with the WingMakers and you can find these posts in the archives. Some similarities jump out at you, like Lyricus to Lyran. And there probably are some underground cave systems containing ET artifacts, although not necessarily as described in New Mexico. Regards Bob |
