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    Phenix Member Post Number: 11 Registered: 07-2008 |
Thanks for your explanations, gentlemen; i truly appreciate. The works of the Wingmakers did indeed move me in a slightly different way. I enjoyed the paintings, the music and the poetry, but most of all i was impressed by the inner structure, the vigor and logic displayed in their philosophy - having myself a degree in this area. And at this point i could not help but compare their approach with those fragments of the Teaching of Herr Meier i had so far the opportunity to read and the very first thought that came to my mind was: complementarity. Chris, i have only read the introduction to your studies by Mr Hempel(i just got back from school). I am now going back to them, thanks a lot. Salome! Adam. | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 04-2008 |
friends, It could be Very Interesting if it is real message about a real event. But I need to know how the message dispatched? or has given by whom? who is the speaker (person that reads the message) and so on... welcome any comment Salome Friends | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 06-2008 |
Behzad. You might find some answers here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54Tjz513S_E Then here. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrr_RHqUl6s&feature=related It seems that from a book develops a radio show interview, then someone starts making & distributing videos, then others create variations. Personally I find nothing unusual with this material which agrees with Billy & The Plejaran viewpoints & warnings though there is a specific emphasis on an "extraterrestrial conspiracy" Billy has several times mentioned the influence of the Bafath & Ashtar Sheran so an "extraterrestrial" element is or rather was an actual reality though both those groups are no longer active. However there may be other alien groups ... the "Grays" are often mentioned as being highly suspect behind the scenes manipulators who have been covertly exchanging technology with the US black government from about 1952 onwards in return for ??? .... gotta be something in it for them. If you watch the videos it all makes logical sense. If you study what the NWO, their various manipulations and objectives the videos make even more sense. What has been happening on earth is simply a microcosm of what happens on a larger scale. Colonization & empire building similar to globalization by concentrating control of finite resources into the hands of a small select group through covert means. | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 29 Registered: 02-2008 |
I watched that video called "Galactic Federation - Craft Appear on 14th October 2008" and it is false. There is no "federation of light", and what is said is made-up new age type of stuff, such as the planet being moved to a "new higher vibration". The end is an especially, where the computer lady says: "We, the federation of light sign off, giving you encouragement and hope as we begin the ascension into the new world. Each one of you has chosen to be here for this ascension. Choose now whether your human form will. Accept it through love - or reject it though fear. May the highest aspect of your soul fill you with light as you move bravely forward. Gratitude to each one as they assist us in the cause. Reece Stiller | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 06-2008 |
Marksmanr. I agree with what you say. This type of material is prepared basically from the Barbara Marcinak writings. Another person spreading ascension stories is called Almine who has several videos circulating on Youtube .... others follow the lead and soon begins the latest new age fad. However in spite of various new age hysteria & premeditated disinformation there are craft not of US Black Project origin regularly appearing. Most particularly the 2007 Mexico sightings where many hundreds of craft in a huge formation were seen by thousands of startled onlookers. From my information the US Black Projects have around 60 experimental craft mainly small scouts 7-8 meters plus a few larger 20+ meters type of different shapes & sizes operational. So they simply dont have the numbers available to assemble then simultaneously fly in formation many hundreds of craft. Now ask yourself .... why would an organization which takes extraordinarily fanatical steps to preserve secrecy suddenly display all their covert stuff openly over a large city ? Somewhere I noticed statistics stating the Great Spacer carried around 500 smaller shuttle, scout & drone craft. Other groups must have similar craft. There was also mention another race was preparing to "take over the watch" after the Plejaran departed So perhaps finally there is a group prepared to help in a more tangible way. If a very large craft remained stationery for 3 days wouldn't you expect the faithful might start knocking on the local priests door asking what it's all about ? With the right technique it doesn't really need a long term intervention or even open contact to start the ball rolling. So who is flying around out there .... the Cosmic Taliban, Jedi Knights or who? Will they show up 14 October 2008 ? lets wait n see. | ||
Behzad Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 04-2008 |
Ramirez, thank you for comment. It is useful and I advice other members to see these videos also. Ramirez and Marksmanr Indeed I think that most of the cases like these just could be a false and completely hoax. But also there are some points related to such a cases. for examples: 1- in several Billy,s contact notes is mentioned that by coming of a big group of ETs (maybe a federation) the Plejaran will withdraw of the earth for ever and it said that this encounter can be soon or in very near future ( I can not address you to the exact texts of the Contacts, right now). amazing point is , that I couldent find exactly for what very real reason Plejaran must be turn back at the same time of coming the others?! are not in some how responsible and actually has the task to monitoring the Earth by the permission and supporting of the Head of the federation (High Council of Andromeda)?...Our Friends (Plejarans) almost are silent about it. are we (and all the Earth) just a very minor piece of a very huge Puzzle that we can not comprehend , understand and see the all scene? 2- we see also in Crop Circles messages that pointed to the same or similar cases. 3- there are also mentioned to such a federation as light or withe federation in several true or false contacts (not Plejaran case) 4-Yes , as I said above this case also most probably is a wrong. but as you see these cases why must come up at this time? why not 30, 50 or 100 hundreds years ago? because Earth Human now is ready to face to the more real , deeper and more complicated reality? as Plejarans and Billy have said several times? ...also it couldent be a social natural reaction to the case of the return of Mesih/Mahdi when all the ..ism and also religions have lost the sene? Please correct me if I,m wrong Salome Friends | ||
Markv Member Post Number: 18 Registered: 08-2008 |
I think that it's a bit hasty to patently state whether it's real, or not, since we'll know for sure in less than 40 days. So, for that reason, I'm "filing" the date away in my mind for future reference. Although, we now know that it's coming from a woman named "Blossom Goodchild", so it may not be a bad idea to get Mr. Meier's thoughts about her in general. Ramirez, I'm pretty sure that all of the stuff out there about "the greys" being "evil" ET's and working with governments behind the scenes is disinfo, much like David Icke's "reptilian agenda" nonsense and the "Project Serpo" hoax. It all amounts to getting people to fear ET's and to readily fall into line behind their government(s) in the event of a possible hoaxed invasion. I'm not sure whether "the greys" are even an actual ET race, or if they're, in reality, just androids. Aside from this theory being out there, to some extent, in the UFO community, I believe that Mr. Meier even confirmed that they're androids. | ||
Markv Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hmm, I did a bit more searching on this thing and found this description/explanation: http://www.geocities.com/changetheworld_now/Changetheworld1.htm There's even an online petition here  : http://www.petitiononline.com/readynow/petition.html In case you're wondering, yes, I signed the petition; if it's real, then I have no problem with this event occuring. | ||
Markv Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 08-2008 |
Sorry for the double/triple post, if the mods want to edit this one into the one with the petition, then that'd be just fine with me. I was hasty in my assumption that that petition had anything to do with the October 14th date. I found the link in one of the youtube video comments of an Oct 14th video, so I assumed that it was connected. After checking a bit more, I now realize that that message/petition began circulating in 2003. So there's likely no connection between the two (the 2003 message and this October 14th date). In conclusion, sorry mods for cluttering the board, but, I suppose that, it all still pertains to ET intervention. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 387 Registered: 07-2004 |
I viewed several videos on the subject of the Oct date. Nows a good opportunity to check your BS meter for accuracy. 1) Listen to the story, contemplate what is actually proposed and privately choose what your going to stand behind. 2) Even if you immediately dismiss it, allow your silence and watch the event play out. 3) Your BS meter can then be calibrated, either way. 4) Right or wrong, if you pay attention, you will only learn more valuable information and your BS meter will be all bright and shiny again( again, either way). a friend in america Shawn | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 16 Registered: 06-2008 |
Markv There are simply too many streams of information about the "Greys" to dismiss them as BS or a hoax. The most compelling evidence is ancient cave art, images on temple walls and statues dating back thousands of years, plus mentions by Billy himself that they are for real. There are reputed to be several varieties plus cloned androids. Project Serpo being a hoax ..... perhaps but only from the perspective that Bill Ryan who himself is very honest was purposely given incorrect or misleading information. Some parts of Project Serpo ring too many bells to dismiss outright. I tend to examine all manner of stuff from many sources, note particular issues or highlights then search for supporting or dismissive material .... with the BS filter set to "high". Whilst I'd dismiss most of the David Icke material there are some matters regarding the NWO agenda & occult he touches on which corroborate strongly with other more reputable & rational sources. Accusing the royal family of being shape shifting reptilians who devour children during black magic rituals at the palace is ..... not the way to gain credibility. Kingman. I'll just wait for October 14 to play out. Even if something does show up whichever pantomine those in power lay on through the mainstream media will soon reveal the truth. If it's a set up they have their story prepared in advance. If the craft is good guys or unknown guys who rattle the NWO cage those in power would probably resort to getting up a few black project craft, doing token damage somewhere & blaming it on the ET's. | ||
Nenkuro New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 12-2007 |
Why doesn't anyone just ask billy? This is a great opportunity for him to be vindicated and all others proven as hoaxers... or vice versa! | ||
Markv Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2008 |
I was regretting some of those posts after they were written (I was kind of hoping that the mods wouldn't post some of them), but oh well; I've learned my lesson.  Ramirez, I delved back into the rabbit hole, and came out with a slightly different assessment of what's going on behind the scenes regarding this stuff. I retract my claims regarding: 1. All greys being androids (I never said that they were BS or a hoax). The term "Greys" is simply too vague, as it's very likely that there are many different types which fall under this label. Hmm, I see that you've mentioned this as well. 2. Project Serpo being a flat-out hoax, at least in the sense that it's all fake. It's full of distortions, exaggerations, etc., but it doesn't fall under the category of a hoax. I stand by the assertion that "greys" and abductions are being exaggerated for various reasons (It seems as though that wasn't very clear in my 1st post so I see where confusion came from there). I'm not trying to debate this stuff because I suspect that we're both on the same page here, but I must say that David Icke has done more damage to the truth-seeking movement than anybody single person that I can think of. His hogwash has people running around screaming about, not only heads of state, but even movie stars (i.e. Johnny Depp) being reptilian shapeshifters. I think that the most amusing (satisfying) moment in the past year was when his ridiculousness came full-circle and eye-witness reports began to circulate about Icke himself being a reptilian; not only that, but his followers were actually believing the reports! Anyways, regarding this October 14th scenario: It seems that these new age movements have taken the information and ran with it. Adding "galactic" to the whole title, creating/spreading youtube videos, playing up new age terms, etc. I find it interesting that, while this Blossom character speaks of some such new age gibberish, this "White Cloud" doesn't seem to. Also, while these new-agers, who are jumping on the bandwagon, claim that if it doesn't happen then it's because we didn't want it badly enough, she's holding firm to the date. Personally, I find her to be a "kook", but I haven't made a firm decision one way or the other regarding the date, so I'm just going to wait and see. Nenkuro, I agree. The thing is that we probably wouldn't get the answer back until after October 14th. | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 05-2008 |
I just sent Michael Horn an email which read: Hi Michael : Someone on the Figu forum recently mentioned an interview of a surviving alien at Roswell done (telepathically) by a nurse who disclosed her notes a few years ago because she felt it important that it was not taken to the grave with her. I did a search & came up with the below link. I think you'll find it interesting as there is a lot of overlap with Billy's information. If possible, perhaps you could have Billy take a look at it and comment on its validity. http://www.theparacast.com/alieninterview/AlienInterview.pdf ============ I am not yet done reading but I have read enough to conclude that this information is very important and needs the consideration and discussion, by not only forum particpants and figu members, but Billy himself. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1530 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Earthling, I have to ask if the "aliens" involved in the Roswell incident were Androids, how can there be any surviving aliens? I don't know if these artificial life forms are capable of telepathy, but either way they were not aliens in the sense that everyone wants to believe they were. Scott | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 05-2008 |
Scott, As an intro, please read below: the alien in response to the question - "Will you answer questions from the gallery now?" ... says; ====================================== "No, I will not answer questions. I will provide information to you that I think will be beneficial to the well-being of the immortal spiritual beings who comprise humanity, and that will foster the survival of all the myriad life forms and the environment of Earth, as it is a part of my mission to ensure the preservation of Earth. "Personally, it is my conviction that all sentient beings are immortal spiritual beings. This includes human beings. For the sake of accuracy and simplicity I will use a made-up word: "IS-BE". Because the primary nature of an immortal being is that they live in a timeless state of "is", and the only reason for their existence is that they decide to "be". No matter how lowly their station in a society, every IS-BE deserves the respect and treatment that I myself would like to receive from others. Each person on Earth continues to be an IS-BE whether they are aware of the fact or not." =========================================== In any case, have a read of that link. The overlap of material is simply too much to be a coincidence, regarding what the alien has to say about the history of the earth. Here is a historical bit about a name we are all familiar with - Ptah : ========================================= 6,750 BCE -- Other Pyramid civilizations were set up by the "Old Empire" on Earth. These were established in Babylon, Egypt, China and Mesoamerica. The Mesopotamian area provided service facilities, communication stations, space ports, and stone quarry operations for these false civilizations. Ptah was the name given to the first in a succession of administrators from the "Old Empire" who represented themselves to the Earth population as "divine" rulers. Ptah's importance may be understood when one learns that the word "Egypt" is a Greek corruption of the phrase "Het-Ka-Ptah," or "House of the Spirit of Ptah". Ptah, was nick-named "The Developer". He was a construction engineer. His high priest was given the title 'Great Leader of Craftsmen'. Ptah was also the god of reincarnation in Egypt. He originated the "opening of the mouth ceremony" which was performed by priests at funerals to "release souls" from their corpses. Of course, when the "souls" were released, they were captured, given amnesia, and returned to Earth again. The so-called "Devine" rulers who followed Ptah on Earth were called "Ntr", meaning "Guardians or Watchers" by the Egyptians. Their symbol was the Serpent, or Dragon which represented a secret priesthood of the "Old Empire" called the "Brothers of the Serpent". "Old Empire" engineers used cutting tools of highly concentrated light waves to quickly carve and excavate stone blocks. They also used force fields and space craft to lift and transport blocks of stone weighing hundred or thousands of tons each. The placement on the ground of some of these structures will be found to have geodetic or astronomical significance relative to various stars in this galactic region. The buildings are crude and impractical, compared to building standards on most planets. As an engineer of The Domain, I can attest that make-shift structures like these would never pass inspection on a planet in The Domain. Stone blocks such as those used in the pyramid civilizations can still be seen, partially excavated, in the stone quarries in the Middle East and elsewhere. Most of the structures were hastily built "props", much like the false facades of a western town on the set of a motion picture. They appear to be real, and to have some use or value however, they have no value. They have no useful purpose. The pyramids and all of the other stone monuments erected by the "Old Empire" could be called "mystery monuments". For what reason would anyone waste so many resources to construct so many useless buildings? To create a mysterious illusion. The fact of the matter is that each one of the "divine rulers" were IS-BEs who served as operatives of the "Old Empire". They were certainly not "divine", although they were IS-BEs. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 391 Registered: 07-2004 |
Earthling, This is, IMHO, more crap to induce more fear into the populace and make the case that there is a threat from beyond Earth. The source of the writing explains in her opening letter that, "At first, I could not understand Airl very clearly. I could perceive images, emotions and impressions, but it was difficult for me to express these verbally." Early in the transcripts, she asks(telepathically), QUESTION - "What planet are you from?" And receives this answer, ANSWER - THE HOME / BIRTHPLACE WORLD OF THE DOMAIN I am doubtful this untrained nurse who prior to this event hadn't any idea she had telepathic abilities, was able to discern what a supposed alien projected as the name of their home world. This information, coming through the 'Paracast Forum', which is highly anti-Billy Meier, is pure garbage. Value? Only if printed on toilet paper. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 05-2008 |
Kingman, I know nothing of the history of the Paracast Forum and their relationship to Billy, and I am unable to dismiss this as pure garbage printed on toilet paper. The sentiments you've expressed remind of those by Christian authorities regarding the Talmud Jmmanuel. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 336 Registered: 03-2007 |
Earthling: "If possible, perhaps you could have Billy take a look at it and comment on its validity." If you read the disclaimer at the beginning of the interview it clearly says: As far as the Editor of the book, "Alien Interview" is concerned, and for all practical purposes, the content of the book is a work of fiction. In other words it is a myth. And if you go back and read the posts of Nesting Wave/Roy you will see that that is all he ever said it was and that its value is that of a metaphor. Regards Bob | ||
Earthling Member Post Number: 47 Registered: 05-2008 |
Bob, it is rather obvious that the disclaimer - "As far as the Editor of the book, "Alien Interview" is concerned, and for all practical purposes, the content of the book is a work of fiction." is simply a statement by an editor & publisher who do not wish to be monitored and hassled by authorities. Do you think they'd prefer 21 assassination attempts, monitoring by secret services ops/CIA, and religious goon squads planting fire bombs in their homes and offices? | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 19 Registered: 06-2008 |
MarkV If Blossom Goodchild is the primary source of October 14 information then it appears to be new age fluff coming from a garden variety psychic - medium - spirit guide type. However this is not to say the information is a fraud or deliberate deception. There may well be some truth to White Cloud but this is best evaluated by reading or hearing his information. I found this site http://blossomgoodchild.com/ but am not prepared to order books & disks to find out as it looks quite similar to other new age psychic setups. Over the years I became loosely acquainted with 3 such persons & found each to be delusional & more an attention seeker rather than conveyer of original legitimate information. They are often convincing, interesting and sincerely believe in their chaneling - spiritualistic - medium abilities but something just doesn't sit right when your near them. Mark ..... where have you heard or read the actual White Cloud content ? | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 06-2008 |
More information regarding 14 October 2008 and Blossom Goodchild. Does anyone have access to the book "Secrets Of The Light" by Dannion Brinkley ? If you search Youtube there are several videos of him .... appears perfectly rational & very much the part of someone conveying genuine information. And here's the kicker; she isn't the only one making the prediction. Unbeknownst perhaps even to themselves, statements made by other individuals in the past corroborate her findings, one of these being immortalized on paper by Dannion Brinkley. In his latest book (entitled “Secrets of the Light” and published in 2004) on page 222 Brinkley says: “By the year 2008, the fact that we are not alone in the universe will be made undeniably clear to everyone on the planet. With millions of planets and billions of stars, I cannot fathom how we could ever thought in any other terms. However, for those who have doubted, the extraterrestrials will make themselves known. I believe they feel they have no choice but to show themselves as we verge on self-annihilation, genocide and toxic poisoning. The truth of our inter-galactic lineage will become common knowledge. If I am to believe the vision, the truth of our intergalactic lineage will cause humanity to take one wild ride.” | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 393 Registered: 07-2004 |
That's alright Earthling, take your time reading and comparing this story to Billy's material. Do a search for Billy Meier on the Paracast Forum and read up on the way they treated Michael Horn. It doesn't happen over night, but one day you'll find you can save lots of valuable time when your abilities to sense garbage is better honed to spot the 'good idea', poorly attempted, disinformation material we all know is expanding at an exponential rate. Because of the work of Billy, we can actually begin thinking on a truth based platform about how higher intelligences interact with the less advanced races they visit. To try and compare this piece of work to what is the standard for reality, and then relate me to the christian denouncers of the TJ clarifies to me, you need to read up more and begin to gain some real comprehension. But I guess I'm being premature and a jerk by expressing my OPINION. a friend in america Shawn |
