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    J_rod7 Member Post Number: 431 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hi Bob, Thank You for the feedback. [ "can move in time and reenter the three-dimensional world at a different place on the path of the spiral."] This implies the Universe of the Plejarens and our Universe are one and the same. However, this is not so. Yes, our two Universes are both 3-dimensional Material Universes. Semjase, however, has given information that the Universe of Erra where she lives, has a much greater number of inhabitable Star Systems, and a greater number of Civilizations. This is not a result of only being Time-Shifted from 'our' universe, but may be along a DIFFERENT Spiral line of Creation Energy. There still must be a bonding Link of shared Energy, as derived in Post 429, to enable physical interaction between the two. Thank You for Your Ideas. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 432 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** News from Space Observations...: The separation of 'Dark Matter' after the collision of two Galactic Clusters is observed. Each Galactic Cluster has several Dozens (up to Hundreds) of Galaxies. These Two Galactic Clusters passed through each other many millions of years ago. Gravitational 'drag' caused the Galaxies to slow down, but the Dark matter surrounding each Cluster maintained Momentum and became separated. This IS the Evidence of Dark Matter. I can only wonder: what is Life like within those Galaxies without the presence of the Dark Matter? Story and Photo at the following Link...: http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/exotic/2008/32/ *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 354 Registered: 03-2007 |
J_Rod: "This implies the Universe of the Plejarens and our Universe are one and the same. However, this is not so." Actually, Billy says in his book Existentes Leben im Universum, page 171, that even though the Plejaren are in a different space-time configuration to ours, they are still in the same universe as we are. Regards Bob | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 274 Registered: 06-2006 |
Rod As far as I am aware, the Plejaren's space/time dimension is within the/our DERN universe. Erra is a planet within a solar system in a space/time dimension within our DERN universe. I have not read (yet) that the Plejaren have managed to go to another universe other than the DAL. This DERN universe, has a barrier, and the Plejaren system is within this barrier as our particular space/time configuration is as well. Re the issue of the book in another post, I will get back to you on that when I have more info. Robjna | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 355 Registered: 03-2007 |
I meant to correct you in my post above, Rod, that they are not my "ideas" as you put it. It is straight from a conversation and explanation by Billy in his kitchen and recorded by Randolph Winters. The text appears on page 105, of the book The Pleiadian Mission. Readers can decide which of the two explanations above is more plausible. Regards Bob | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 434 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Bob and Robjna, ["Where do the extraterrestrial intelligences come from with whom you maintain your contacts, and why are they, in particular, the ones who are visiting us on Earth? ["The extraterrestrials with whom I maintain contact come from the constellation of the Pleiades/Plejares. This constellation, however, is not the same Pleiades we observe from Earth in our own space-and-time-configuration. ["The constellation we see is approximately 420 light years from Earth and is only about 62 million years old. Furthermore, as hot, blue suns they are absolutely incapable of supporting any form of life, not of purely spiritual nor of a material form. ["The Pleiades/Plejares from where these extraterrestrials come, exist in a different space-and-time-configuration that is shifted from our own by a fraction of a second, and can only be penetrated via an artificially created "dimension gate" in the vicinity of the Pleiades that are visible from Earth. ["The distance from the gate to the Plejares, as the extraterrestrials call their native system, is approximately 80 light years further. The term Plejares is to them the same as the word Pleiades is to us. A little over 50,000 years ago, when the extraterrestrials discovered and began inhabiting the Plejares star cluster and its planets, they named them after the Plejares, which is the same as Pleiades in their own language. They elected to do this since their own Plejares are in a region just beyond the Pleiades with which we are familiar on Earth"] Source from Interview with Billy (1998), (section 1.3)...: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Interview_with_Billy_%281998%29 So, Okay then, They are within 'OUR' same Universe but in a DIFFERENT Time (Time-Shifted). And they are in a DIFFERENT Space ("a different space-"). Also, certain ASPECTS are different: There are a GREATER number of Inhabitable Solar Systems in the Space-Time Dimensions of the Plejares. The Inhabited Systems are nore CLOSELY Distributed within the Galaxies of the Plejaren Dimensions. The Plejaren Timeline is NOT the same Timeline of 'our' Dimension, else we become as they are within the next 'Fraction-of-a-Second.' So, other than being completely Different, they are still yet even the Same.! I will have to Ponder this, what appears to be a Dichotomy of Physics. I'll stop short of going Insane mulling this over. Thank You both for Your Feedback. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 515 Registered: 07-2004 |
When Semjase mentions that their time frame that Erra exists in contains more inhabitable planets than ours, could this be due to the idea that its actually in the future, and because of this a planet that maybe inhabited in this/our time frame hasn't been colonized in the future due to the concept that the time shifted dimension will always be in a condition of existing in tomorrow that will never be gotten to by those/us who live in the present. Tomorrow is always tomorrow, just waiting for us to show up. Like the past that we are informed to think can be physically visited, takes place on the Earth we know, and we continue to live on. Yet the Earth past doesn't interfere/clash with our present physical Earth. So because we haven't reached tomorrow(time shift forward), there's no one there yet and the planet would be void of those who are creating the present. Until we get there, we haven't been there. The past doesn't change cause it's been past through. We haven't been able to visit tomorrow, cause it's always going to be tomorrow. So maybe that's just waiting for us , always out of sight. Yet available to those who can arrive into tomorrow with their technology and be virgin in all its splendor. Crazy? Perhaps. But so is the idea of Kabillion-Mozillions of Universes( where they stashing all that stuff!) Recall the very intriguing aspect of the similar size of Erra to Earth. The almost same length of day. Their same ancestry to us. Their lengthy concern for humanity for thousands of years. The many similar animals we share. Their accuracy of their future predictions for us. Their feet are just like ours too! AHHA! I personally have never been late for tomorrow. Salome, a friend in america Shawn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1610 Registered: 12-1999 |
Please let's get back to the topic heading, which has to do with Flora, Fauna, Nature etc...on planet Earth. | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 140 Registered: 10-2008 |
yeah, for instance I wonder what is the brightest color of flower on terra? Oh and also i think we need to remind ourselves that time can be a dramatic differential when what we are really taking about is an eternity. What may be a fraction of a second in one dimension could be a million years in another? Am I correct in saying that? Alot can change in a million years. How long did it take for our solar system to be altered drastically by our planetary collisions? im sure that one day in the life of an alien out there timeshifting in and out of our system, they came one day and we had that extra planet, and the next day they came back everything was changed. Eternity does not know time as we define it. IMHO! darned moderators ruining a good train of thought! haha jest kiddin scotty! "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 437 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hi there Pathfinder, Well, having lived 6-Years down in the Virgin Islands, I can say that the Brightest Flowers in ALL Colors, are found in the Tropics. The Flowers must compete with each other to gain the Attention of the Hummingbirds, Sugarbirds, Butterflies, and Bees. The Orchids in the Deep forests are Exquisite. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 363 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Thomas, Guido's talk was about the nature of light and coherency in regards to allowing it through different shaped filters. He expresses it's nature a little differently and more concisely than I've ever heard before... He spoke of changing the filter the light beam passed and how the light behaved differently after traversing different shapes yet exact effluent surface area, more clearly indicating the nature of light... Novel idea. It is obvious why Guido is a such good friend of Billy's... I will always remember his happy face when telling him about my UFO observation at SSSC... really, a very fine man. In fact, everyone... I met, anyway, at SSSC is exceptional in nature. The company you keep tells quite a bit about your Nature... And we all have an exceptional friend in Switzerland. Salome, RArena | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 440 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** The Home we lived in, there in the Virgin Islands, was up on the South Slope of a Mountain. Around the House were some Flamboyant Trees. These grew up to around 7-Meters (22-Feet) tall, and were in either of two Colors - Bright Yellow Flowers, or Bright Red Flowers. Each Flower resembles a cross between a Tulip and an Orchid, and each tree was completely covered in them. The most beautiful sight, was a symbiotic Vine which grew up intertwined with all the Branches of one of the Bright Yellow Flamboyant. The Vine produced thousands of Purple Flowers. The Natural Bouquet effect was stunning, the Purple and Yellow Bouquet as a large Tree. If I had not needed Professional Medical Care in the States for cancer, we would still be living down in those Islands. *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 541 Registered: 03-2004 |
Thanks Randy! Since you appear to have attended that tal of Guido's, can you tell us anything specifically that he said that isn't already understood by Earth science? Even if your recollections might not be exact, any help is appreciated. By the way, even though Dan Fry was said not to be a contactee after all (except of the bafath), he has a style of explanation that really illuminates the subjects he discusses, science in particular. I suggest reading some of the freely available books at http://danielfry.com/index.php?id=112 | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 366 Registered: 10-2005 |
You betcha... | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 549 Registered: 03-2004 |
Randy, I will of course drop the subject if I am beginning to ask too many questions, but, if you do recall, can you give us anymore info on what Guido said? Like I said, I will drop it if I am being overly inquisitive. I just find this all very interesting :-) | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 184 Registered: 10-2008 |
I've been spending alot of time lately thinking about man's footprint on the planet. I have never been in a plane but I can imagine the tangled web of pavement that one must see from up there. It surely must be a little surreal when that ribbon runs in one long uninterrupted line across the entire continent, to continue on the other side of the oceans. It really must be something to see. Only man could cause such a scar on the face of the earth. I usually try to separate the natural from the man-made when I am sight seeing to better appreciate Creation. As I looked upon a small mini-mall complex the other night I noticed how the concrete buildings stood out so obviously from the wilderness area around it. And then I realized that what I was looking at was also nature. It may not have been made from logs but that concrete was certainly made from the good old resources the planet has to offer. And though it seemed unnatural there in its foundation, those walls were as much a part of creation as the rocks in the surrounding forest. The only difference was a manipulation by man's hands. Man can chop down a tree and make a wall of logs, and he can also manipulate a mixture of natures raw material to make a wall of mortar. The only difference between the two is that degree of manipulation. and then I began to realize that everything that most people would classify as UNnatural when talking about construction by technology using plastics and rubbers and synthetics, etc. is actually as natural as any other. It all comes from the planet, whether it requires a degree of manipulation to reach a usage point or not. No other creature manipulates nature in the degree that a human does. Everything comes from creation; everything. And yet we can make it seem so unnatural. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Adysor Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 03-2008 |
Pathfinder, Hi, It`s true, that shows the selfishness of the human being from ancient times wanting to manipulate the nature to their likeness. But I don`t think that the constructions made by the humans is natural as any other. What is unique about the nature is that everything looks unique. No tree is the same. When I look at a new model of car I am stunned...it looks so beautiful, but only for a while. As for everything that is natural, grown on the planet earth and constantly changed by it`s environment, to me always looks beatiful and unique. I don`t think there is anything ugly in the nature except disorders in the genes in animals and humans which bring up diseases. The constructions made by the humans only benefit to the humans themselves but in nature, that tree benefits many animals and plants and even us. I think that is the difference between Natural and our doings(unnatural). Adrian. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 455 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hello Pathfinder, Having made many flights in planes, when viewed from high altitudes the roads and such virtually disappear. Out over Kansas, Nebraska and Colorado some very interesting patterns are visible in the crop fields planted by Farmers. The Mountains are magnificent seen from such heights. Why can't man make such BEAUTY as found in Nature? Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 559 Registered: 03-2004 |
I don't want to butt in J_rod, but man can and does create something just as beautiful if not more so than what you describe... ...this beautiful creation is called a child. If you think about it, creating new life in the form of children is one of man's most beautiful achievements. The problem is that all too often, children are created without the parents being responsible enough in many ways. I count my 2 children as an example of the beauty that man is capable of :-) Thomas | ||
Pathfinder Member Post Number: 187 Registered: 10-2008 |
And again, although it involves the manipulation of both man and nature. I'll agree that natural is not the best way to describe construction Adrian, but all that we construct is simply a manipulation or natural resources already provided to us through nature, so anything we make is still in its root form natural. the Grand canyon would be an example of unmanipulated nature, and a beautiful garden built on the edge of the canyon would be an example of natural beauty manipulated by man. At what point of manipulation a word becomes unbeautiful, is of course in the eyes of the beholder. Some would say the Taj Mahal is a beautiful sight. a geologist would certainly look on, what would appear like an unbecoming rock to you, with much more appreciation for its natural beauty. I like to try to see the love of creation in everything that exists in this creation, and try to see man's manipulation as a beautiful aspect of it when it is deserving. But man can also create ugly scars. All the more reason to apppreciate beauty when it is sought after. There is so much beauty in the simplest forms that goes overlooked. We need to look deeper and harder, and teach ourselves to love what we have placed before us, and learn how to interact with it in ways that furthers the beauty, instead of marring it for the sake of technological advancements. One step forward and two steps back is not advancement. "Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth." Contact 18:62 | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 560 Registered: 03-2004 |
Randy Arena, I don't know if you got a chance to read it, but I posted a question to you recently in this section. Did you notice it? I will drop the subject if I am being a pain :-) (see Thomas post number 549 in this section) | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 458 Registered: 10-2007 |
* *** Hi Thomas, I do agree with You on this: "...this beautiful creation is called a child." I am a Father of Two Daughters and Four Sons, and now a GrandFather of Nine in both Flavors too... But, You Know = from WHERE came the Spirit in each? I did not create them. QED. Salome *** * From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being J_rod7 | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 360 Registered: 03-2007 |
Having studied the mechanics of aesthetics for many years, it seems that what we associate as “beauty” or “beautiful” in the natural world, can actually be broken down to the mathematics of rhythm and proportion. This is true for music as well as visual beauty. And this is consistent with one of Billy’s statements that everything in the universe can be broken down to mathematics. The most notable of these is the phi ratio, 1.618…. It can be found in spiral galaxies, DNA, Da Vinci’s famous divine proportion sketch Vitrivian, plants, animals, etc. http://www.beautyanalysis.com/mba_phithekeytobeauty_page.htm http://goldennumber.net/body.htm The ancient Greeks built their architectural wonders based on the Golden rectangle and phi ratio which they observed in nature and their observations of phi proportions in the human body. Manmade buildings are perceived as more beautiful when phi proportions are integrated. http://goldennumber.net/architecture.htm It is a very interesting subject to me personally and I could write much about it but if anyone is interested in more information, plenty can be found on the internet. I have only skimmed the surface. The study is centuries old, probably longer and can even be found in some Sanskrit texts. Students of the Meir material will also find it interesting that the pineal gland, which plays such an important part in our interface with the phine matter world and subtle energies, is named so because it is shaped like a pine cone. The pineal gland, like the pine cone, is essentially a double phi spiral design and at the geometric center of our brain atop our spinal column sits a perfect Phi spiral of endocrine tissue. The significance of this design is that electromagnetism's natural harmonic resonates as a phi spiral. Phi spirals appear wherever electric and magnetic energy are transformed, such as cell membranes, especially of nerves. This geometric ratio will appear in any structure which interfaces electric and magnetic forms of energy. Thus, DNA, red blood cell, sea shell, pine cone, spinal column, solar system, galaxy—all governed by The Divine Ratio. http://www.miqel.com/fractals_math_patterns/visual-math-phi-golden.html Some might find this analysis of the phi ratio and phi spiral at the Charley Knoll crop formation quite interesting: http://c21pan.0catch.com/C.Knoll/Pages/Txt-phi.htm And if you want to get into some more serious stuff, try: http://www.greatdreams.com/grace/159/164philevels.html Regards Phi Spiral "Without mathematics there is no art." -Luca Pacioli "The good, of course, is always beautiful, and the beautiful never lacks proportion." -Plato |
