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Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 205
Registered: 10-2008
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I agree with you that there is a need to act but I would sincerely like to see a more unified and thought out effort take place first.
However you do have the choice to act as you think fit at any time IMO. I respect the passion and concern.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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J_rod7
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Post Number: 473
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 09, 2008 - 07:43 pm: |
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Greetings in Peace to All,
Herr Phenix,
I see that Moderator Hans has given Endorsement to an Advertising Campaign. This is good news. The Campaign to Educate the Peoples of Earth would be the best effort to begin.
Moderator Hans also did suggest to use an Advertising Agency(s) to design simple yet effective messages.
I will further suggest to appeal for funding of such a Campaign from certain Groups already active in Socially Responsible Causes. This modest request for assistance could be made before one such group as You have already mentioned...:
Population Council worldwide: http://www.popcouncil.org/slr/techassist.html
Other Groups could perhaps be also reliable sources, possibly even certain Governments - in Grants for the Worthy Cause.
Gaiawingz made an important observation (>>Miscellaneous, Post #39)..:. ["Since the majority of people are irrational and have no control over their thoughts, thus no control over their feelings, which makes them subject completely to their emotional impulses and whatever triggers them, and since they also overwhelmingly -believe- that reproducing is an inalienable human right (instead of a privilege which entails huge responsibilities) ..."]
The last phrase in Gaia's statement, as a privilege instead of a 'right' to reproduce, IS the reason to begin with the Ad Campaign, to Educate Globally - In as many Languages as possible.
It appears to becoming that doors are opening to get Action. I am happy to see Hans and other members in the German Forum also becoming engaged with Ideas and Input.
Gut gemacht, Bruder im Geist. Ehre ist Ihre Belohnung.
Salome
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From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being
J_rod7
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 170
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 01:58 am: |
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Serh geehrter Moderator des Tags, Kameraden,
Yet another Day, another unique Opportunity to pay Heed to Creation and do Its Work.
"Ich bin dort, wo die Schöpfung ist, und was ihr eigen ist, ist auch mir gehörend, denn die Schöpfung ist in mir, und ich selbst bin in der Schöpfung."
(Herr Meier, 'Dekalog'; 604)
Herr J_rod7, noble Warrior of the first Hour, i am proud to stand next to you.
Allow me, please Sir, to carry your shield.
Now then.
Member Phi_spiral,
I am afraid we are falling back into another endless, unproductive academic Discussion.
Thank you however for providing me with the Opportunity to further elaborate.
What is needed, meiner Meinung nach, is indeed a Discussion leading to Action, to rational, coordinated Information Campaign - as the honorable Member Pathfinder rightly pointed out above - and a personal Commitment - "leading by Example", as you advised.
Yes, there are many Problems; there is a lot wrong with our Ways of being and doing, we are abusing the Love and Patience of Mother Earth itself.
Yes, most, if not all, Aspects of this horrible State of Affairs are interconnected.
But, is there anything you, as an informed Individual - a Human who has the Privilege to drink from the Source self of Knowledge self, a Student der Geisteslehre des Herrn Meier - could do against all the other Problems you made Mention of?
I would argue that you have wohl a personal Say in Overpopulation; you can contribute to a wider and deeper Awareness of the present and immediate Threat of Overpopulation to our Survival.
You wrote, among other Things:" Let us start by noticing from the beginning that it is a prediction and not a prophecy. Billy is saying in that document, that the warnings he gave back in 1951, 1958 and 1964 as prophesies involving the natural catastrophes that would kill millions, are no longer preventable, and thus are now fate accompli."; "These problems are not easily fixable and will require centuries to implement. It will take many, many generations of conscientious awareness before efforts will have a sustaining effect. Any efforts via population control to prevent the natural catastrophes that are already imminent would have to have been implemented years ago to have their preventative impact. Billy’s tone of urgency has more to do with beginning the education process for generations to come - to lay the foundation. But a paradigm shift still needs to occur first in overall human consciousness, before they are ready to accept the truth and the message will be heard."
I say to you,
Behold, your Beard is burning!
Even if it were indeed 'a done Business', is it really a Reason enough to give up?
Personally, i was not on this Earth in 1951, 1958, 1964. I live now and this latest Message and Call of Herr Meier IS FOR ME NOW.
I knew about Overpopulation only in September 2008; i would wish i knew earlier, but it is never too late to know; to understand, to be responsible and to ACT.
Overpopulation is still a Challenge for all of us.
I say again to you,
WE MUST BEGIN WITH/FROM SOMETHING.
Let' s make sure "the generations to come" have a Chance.
Let' s inform our Fellow Human Beings; let' s trigger that "shift of paradigm, that conscientious awareness", SO THAT " efforts will have a sustainable effect".
Besides, as far as i can say, Herr Meier made it clear that OVERPOPULATION IS AT THE CORE OF THE MOST THREATENING ASPECTS OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CATASTROPHE WE TRIGGERED AND ARE FACING EVEN AS WE SPEAK:
"Und an allem ist nur eure Überbevölkerung schuld, denn durch sie und ihre ungeheuer negativen Auswüchse werden alle Übel und alle Naturkatastrophen, wie aber auch alle menschlichen Katastrophen jeder Art hervorgerufen."
AND ALONE YOUR OVERPOPULATION IS TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING BECAUSE, THROUGH IT AND THROUGH ITS MONSTROUS, NEGATIVE OUTGROWTHS, ALL EVIL AND ALL NATURAL CATASTROPHES, AS WELL AS ALL HUMAN CATASTROPHES OF EVERY KIND, ARE EVOKED".
So i wonder, if we here, BY THE SOURCE ITSELF, are not able to see, to understand that, to agree with that and ACT TOGETHER, who would THEN???!!!
Herr Meier also clearly and FORCEFULLY stated that OVERPOPULATION IS STILL A THREAT, THAT IT IS STILL URGENT TO DEAL WITH IT, THAT WE STILL CAN DO SOMETHING AGAINST OVERPOPULATION IN ORDER TO - AT LEAST - AVOID AN EVER WORSE SCENARIO:
"Ihr alle, Menschen der Erde, die ihr euch diesen Worten der Wahrheit zugetan fühlt, ihr habt die gute Möglichkeit – wie sie euch schon 1951, 1958 und 1964 genannt wurde –, eure Macht in Verantwortung zu nutzen und die Erde und die ganze Menschheit vor all dem zu bewahren, was euch auch jetzt mit neuen Worten offenbart ist."
ALL YOU, HUMANS OF THE EARTH, WHO FEEL ADDRESSED BY THESE WORDS OF TRUTH, YOU HAVE A GOOD OPPORTUNITY - AS WAS ALREADY GIVEN TO YOU IN 1951, 1958 AND 1964 - TO RESPONSIBLY USE YOUR POWER AND TO PRESERVE THE EARTH AND ALL HUMANITY FROM ALL THAT WHICH IS ALSO NOW REVEALED TO YOU WITH NEW WORDS.
"Zögert nicht, sondern handelt, und zwar schnell, denn die Zeit drängt."
DO NOT DELAY, RATHER ACT, AND INDEED QUICKLY, BECAUSE TIME IS PRESSING.
"Handelt umgehend, um noch Schlimmeres zu verhindern, als es schon geschehen ist und gegenwärtig geschieht."
ACT IMMEDIATELY, IN ORDER TO PREVENT EVEN WORSE THINGS THAN THOSE WHICH HAVE ALREADY OCCURRED AND WHICH CURRENTLY OCCUR.
"Handelt ohne zu zögern, denn sonst seid ihr ebenso verantwortlich dafür, wenn die Zukunft noch sehr viel Schlimmeres für die Erde und eure Menschheit bringt, als durch eure Schuld bereits heraufbeschworen und Wirklichkeit wurde."
ACT WITHOUT DELAYING BECAUSE OTHERWISE YOU WILL BE JUST AS RESPONSIBLE FOR WHEN THE FUTURE BRINGS STILL VERY MUCH WORSE THINGS FOR THE EARTH AND YOUR HUMANITY THAN HAVE ALREADY BEEN EVOKED AND BECOME REALITY THROUGH YOUR FAULTS.
I sincerely hope that the Discussion would no longer focus of this Aspect(this is also the Reason i emphasized the Words of Herr Meier in the Translation), rather on the practical, rational - faithful to the Spirit des Herrn Meier, der FIGU und der Mission - Ways and Methods of tackling Overpopulation.
Salome.
Adam. |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 542
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 06:40 am: |
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Adam,
Regardless of my humor you may of read in any of my posts on this over-population issue, I super-imposed over all that to say I am with you on this idea of pushing(yes pushing) control into peoples consciousness. Don't count me out little buddy!
I may not be involved in the inner circle of this campaign, but I will offer support in areas I find true inspiration as you drive this vehicle forward. I will do where I can find my niche. So far my biggest contribution to fight over population is to correct people when they state, "The biggest problem in the world is(whatever they say)", and I tell them the to many people problem. It actually can happen pretty regularly now that the economy cat is out of the bag.
Soldier on!
Salome
a friend in america
Shawn
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 172
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 08:41 am: |
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Information:
Kameraden,
There are more Reactions to our Initiative at the German Forum(http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/de/show.cgi?5/1511)
Briefly:
Acknowledgement of the Urgency and the Importance of the Question; Understanding of and sober Support for the Initiative; sound Advice towards personal Involvement from within and beginning with oneself; Reminder and Emphasize of the inner Connection of all Aspects of the Spiritual Teachings.
Herr Christian Frehner has also answered to our direct Request.
FIGU will not issue a special Document/Pamphlet. We would have to formulate it ourselves, if we need one.
Herr Frehner indicated a major Article he published in 'FIGU Special Bulletin 41' treating of Overpopulation and the wider Question of rational Earth management.
(http://www.figu.org/ch/book/export/html/1857)
This Article is currently being translated into English by FIGU Society USA.
I just finished reading it.
Kameraden, we have got our Work Tool!
The Article offers a comprehensive, scientific, rational, logical and objective Analysis of Overpopulation.
The direct Correlations between Overpopulation and all other human, environmental, mental, spiritual and psychological, Health and Security related Issues, economic... Sides of the Current Situation are clearly defined.
Simple, scientific, logical, all-embracing, workable, fair and wise Solutions are submitted.
Let' s then keep an Eye on the Announcements in Section 'Translation'.
We shall then see how to make a rational Use of that Document.
Kameraden Gaiawingz(in 'Miscellaneous'), Markcampbell, Edward, Pathfinder( in 'New Ideas'),
Your Contribution and Commitment are much appreciated.
I keep working also on my English - thanks for your kind Help and Support.
Please, do feel free to use/submit any other more suitable and neutral Words.
The Anecdote-Amend, i promised at 'Miscellaneous':
Fritz in der Konditorei.
"Ich möchte ein Stück Apfelkuchen."
Nachdem der konditor ihm den Teller gebracht hat, erklärt Fritz, er zöge eine Tasse Schokolade vor.
Er bekommt sie, trinkt sie aus und will den Teeraum verlassen.
Der Konditor: "Hallo, bezahlen!"
Fritz: "Was denn?"
Der Konditor: "Die Schokolade!"
Fritz: "Dafür habe ich Ihnen doch den Apfelkuchen gegeben."
Der Konditor: "Den haben Sie auch nicht bezahlt!!"
Fritz: "Ja, hallo! Hab' ich ihn denn gegessen??"
Salome,
Adam. |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 370
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 10:15 am: |
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Phenix: “I am afraid we are falling back into another endless, unproductive academic Discussion.”
It was to point out to you the need to have long-range goals versus short-term goals. As an example, if you decide that your primary objective is to have a positive affect on generations to come, then your approach would be much different. You might try to understand how to have these ideas integrated with the formative learning years of a child growing up. Otherwise, from what I am hearing from you so far, all you are doing is duplicating information that is already available and accessible to people on the internet. In which case, you are doing missionary work and Christian has already responded to you in the German Forum that this is not what FIGU is about and will not support it.
Regards
Bob |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 371
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 03:04 pm: |
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If readers of this forum would like to be more actively involved in raising the awareness of world overpopulation, you might consider throwing your efforts in with overpopulation awareness organizations already in existence rather than starting from scratch. It might be cheaper. One such organizations is called, World Overpopulation Awareness (WOA)
www.population-awareness.net
www.population-awareness.org
www.overpopulation.org
From their webpage:
“There are many international groups and national groups, some perhaps with local chapters. Starting with a solidly built grassroots foundation is the best way. People should be talking face to face about overpopulation.”
They have active links to various groups and organizations already established and in place, that one could get involved with. On of these links is to The Earth Charter Initiative http://www.earthcharter.org/
which has already been endorsed by FIGU.
Another good one is Population Action International (PAI)
http://www.populationaction.org/
Population Coalition, http://www.populationpress.org/
Population Connection, http://www.zpg.org/
The Population Institute, http://www.populationinstitute.org/
Growth Is Madness,
http://growthmadness.org/2006/12/24/the-not-so-elusive-population-environment-link/
Optimum Population Trust, http://www.optimumpopulation.org/
Short of actively becoming involved in any of these organizations, one can also provide the links to these sites to friends or relatives who might be receptive to the ideas.
Regards
Bob |
Phenix
Member
Post Number: 173
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 03:45 pm: |
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Your Place is kept warm: step in Big Man, Kingman!
Lieber Member Phi_spiral,
I am truly not following you.
Why make an Issue of this Initiative?
What is wrong with it? What makes you uncomfortable?
There are so many Challenges out there; i and other Kameraden, we chose to tackle this very one.
You do not agree with the Urgency of the Question?
With the urgent Need to tackle it through a well thought, systematic Awareness Campaign?
Well, be my Guest! Tackle then another Issue.
There are many Ways of doing Things. This is just one of them.
You do not like the adopted Method?
We are listening: what is your practical Idea?
"Otherwise, from what I am hearing from you so far, all you are doing is duplicating information that is already available
and accessible to people on the internet.", you wrote - i could almost think that you are somehow not aware of how difficult it is sometimes to find the needed Information on Internet!
Yes, i am glad i can do so: i invent nothing; i just take directly from the endlessly rich Source
called Herr Meiers Material.
What can possibly be wrong with that?
Missionary work.
This sounds amazingly like an Excuse for Passivity and Apathy; an Excuse to do nothing and just let it happen. Some might well call it Fatalism, you know.
Herr Frehner, in his Quality of experienced well versed in all Aspects Senior Member, gave to the new Member i am, the wise Advice to be careful, while working on this Initiative, and to be aware of the Danger of 'Missionieren' and the negative and inverse Effect of 'Missionieren'.
What is wrong with that?
My Father also used to tell me, whenever i am about to join a Student and/or an Union Demonstration, to watch out.
I am very thankful to Herr Frehner for this personal Advice and i shall keep his Words in Mind.
As to your Suggestion that Herr Christian Frehner does not support this Initiative, i shall leave it to the Appreciation of the Forum.
Herr Frehner:
"Ich wünsche Ihnen viel Erfolg bei Ihren Bemühungen. Bedenken Sie
jedoch, dass übermässiges Aktivsein (Missionieren) die Leute vor den
Kopf stösst und eine kontraproduktive Wirkung zeitigt. Dies soll aber
keine Entmutigung darstellen.
Freundliche Grüsse
Christian Frehner"
My literal Translation:
'I wish you much Success with your Efforts. Consider however that being excessively Active (Missionieren) hits People on the Head and produces a counter productive Effect.
This is however not meant to discourage you.
With Friendly Greetings,
Christian Frehner.'
Salome,
Adam. |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 476
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 10, 2008 - 06:30 pm: |
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Warmest Greetings to All
Phi_spiral,
Thank You Bob, for the Links You provide in Your Post #371. Certainly, worthy organization(s) deserving support, and wider dissemination among the People of Earth.
A salient Point to be made here, is the ACUTE need to promote effective Education among the People. We, in FIGU, have access to certain Knowledge, awareness of certain Truth, which is not yet known among the People of Earth. Should we with-hold this from the People? I think that our awareness should be incorporated with such other Global efforts. The Action Plan developing HERE is a Vehicle for incorporation of our Primary Knowledge of the Overpopulation Problem. The Thrust of this Plan IS Education to the largest numbers possible.
It has been said = If One is not part of the Solution, that One may be part of the Problem...
Salome
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J_rod7
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Kingman
Member
Post Number: 544
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 12:20 am: |
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Adam,
Please seriously consider the advice Bob has offered in his last post. Starting from scratch has advantages, and serious disadvantages.
If you want to make a decision that contains the best direction for a serious question, there is a very simple tool you can use to make everything super clear. On a single sheet of paper, draw a line down the middle of the page. At just below the top of the page make a horizontal line all the way across. Now you have two columns. At the top of the left column write the word 'Yes'. In the right column write the word 'No'. Now think of all the reasons you should start an initiative from scratch, then write it down in the left hand column and put a check next to it. In the right column, write down all the negatives to doing your idea from scratch and put a check next to each one. Do this over several days and when you've exhausted all the pro's and con's add up the columns and you will have a very well formulated talking point on what your decision should be at this point.
Make an honest effort to included any outside advice that is for, or. against the issue/ Then you can speak of your decision in all honesty from that point on.
I think if your a strong enough character, the possibility to join a group and work your way to the controlling top is a highly desirable potential. Bob is speaking from a very neutral/positive point. He's not against teaching people of the errors of over-population, he's just cautious of any association whatsoever towards FIGU, as he/we all need to be thinking like.
Special note:
We have been told through the Plejaren, that nearly all the non-profit organizations are mere fronts to scam cash off the emotionally charged do-gooders in the World. Example: GreenPeace, very big name recognition and generates multi millions of $$$$$. Yet what do they ever really accomplish. An occasional whaler interference TV sensationalism splash, then nothing.
Find a decent group already functioning(meaning research big time), and take over. Not that simple, but thinkable.
The number one function of the mission is to continue in it's present form. Anything with a high risk factor will be very difficult to cultivate assistance from the important thinkers within FIGU. This is a extremely important point you need to contemplate on for a reasonable length of time.
You are not off target for wanting to help in this concern, just remember the biggest picture in whatever you decide.
Salome,
P.S. I'm still with this wagon train.....Yahhhhh-Hoo!
a friend in america
Shawn
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 175
Registered: 07-2008
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Thanks, honorable Kamerad Bob.
I shall be actively involved with the Organizations you kindly made Mention of, specially with those endorsed by FIGU - what a solid Recommendation, that is!
I say to Herr J_rod7,
Wisdom Itself speaks with your Words.
Salome,
Adam. |
Phenix
Member
Post Number: 176
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, December 11, 2008 - 05:06 am: |
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Sehr geehrter Herr Moderator des Tags,
Ich empfehle mich Ihnen.
This is a Follow-up to the Ideas submitted by some Kameraden in the Framework of the Overpopulation Awareness (active) Campaign.
Besten Dank.
Now then.
Edle Kameraden,
In Order to avoid losing the bright and useful Proposals of the honorable Member Phi_spiral(Bob); Post 371, at http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/us/show.cgi?14/79 - and the Suggestion of Mighty Cowboy Kingman, i am now aware of - and considering the Urgency of a coordinated, rational and effective Action, we, i hope, all agree with, i would like to submit to your Appreciation and objective, constructive Criticism the following Steps:
A/ To draw a List of those Organization we think would be useful to our Cause.
The Criteria would be the Endorsement and/or Judgement of FIGU of those Organizations and their own Merits;
B/ As already pointed out, the Document we would work with, is a major Article. It goes far beyond the mere Overpopulation Awareness Campaign, we might have in Mind.
I would suggest to work on that Document, in Order to achieve the here desirable Format and a Delimitation of Content.
C/ Having very sharp in Mind the Warning about the Danger of 'Missionieren' and the Advice von Herrn Christian Frehner, mentioned in my Post 173(same Page) and also in Order to avoid the 'Junk Mail-Effect', i would suggest to be sure to send our Document to each of the would-be selected Organizations only once at a Time.
We could proceed so:
- we launch a Thread/Section at the Forum, to eventually be called 'Overpopulation Awareness', making Use of what is already available, insuring hence Continuity, for such a Section, with the Same Title exists already at the FIGU German Forum: 'Überbevölkerung-Bewusstsein: http://forum.figu.org/de/messages/5/3888.html?1157641694
Our List of allied Organizations and other World wide relevant Instances and their Contact Information (websites, emails, Post Addresses...) could stand there.
[NOTE: what do you think, liebe Moderators?]
- each Member involved in this Effort could indicate the Organizations-Targets she/he would focus on;
- each involved Member could eventually - in the same Section, or at a special sub-Thread - notify the Forum which Organization(s) she/he has contacted. Hopefully this Notification would be done and made available at the Forum as speedily as possible.
- before sending our Document-Manifest, each Kamerad would first check that Section, to avoid addressing again the same Organization.
- we would submit our Document as a CONTRIBUTION to the Effort already being made: just provide Information and make sure a Dialogue on the Substance of our Document is started.
Example:
" Sir,
Thanks for your Effort into making us aware of the Question of Overpopulation.
I came across( i found on Internet; I studied; a Comrade sent me...) the following Article(eventually: by an Organization called FIGU) treating of the same Issue.
I would appreciate your Feed-backs(Reading; Opinion...) on it.
..."
Another Example:
"Sir,
I agree with your Analysis of Overpopulation.
But what are our Solutions to it?"
This Way we could eventually have the Opportunity to submit our own Document and Approach.
[Both Methods and others could also apply to all other Instances(Newspapers, Radio and TV Stations, Individuals...) we would reach out to.]
D/ Taking close Consideration of the Sensitivity of this Issue and the Confusion and other regrettable Misunderstandings it arises and may lead to - just consider, for Instance, Post 2 of Member Thiagoc - and specially in Order to clearly indicate our Stance, Philosophy and Methods, i would suggest to call our Document, for Instance: Overpopulation Awareness and BIRTH CONTROL.
Looking forward to your Wisdom and enlightened Ideas.
Salome,
Adam.
PS: kamerad Kingman, in 'New Ideas,'
Do you remember the Saying that, the Soviets have no Feeling for Humor whatsoever? Well...
For the Rest, it just happens that i come across those Words and Sentences in German.
And Translating is sometimes so difficult - and i happen to sometimes be so lazy... |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 549
Registered: 07-2004
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Hi Adam,
You've moved into the realm of some very good ideas in this last post. I need to leave for work, but I am truly impressed with your follow through. While there are many things that can be sharpened, you've spent some quality time in my brain and I will continue with the effort here as it seems like you are driven towards this very good cause, and I won't leave you hanging.
Good Work!
Salome
a friend in america
Shawn
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 179
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 02:59 am: |
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Accept the expression of my deep respect, noble comrade Kingman.
Your commitment is truly inspiring; i shall be looking forward to your further much needed contribution.
You decided not to leave me hanging. Thanks.
I wish we all could soon say the same to Herr Meier.
In my limited human understanding, i consider that it rather took quite some time, before we responded to his call; but we are here now, we are responding now and our number and dedication are growing by the day and that, indeed is the most important.
I wish we would think, decide and act in such a way, that Herr Meier would know that at least this task - overpopulation, which, together with many other challenges, he, the 49 and FIGU, have been carrying mostly alone - is in good and responsible hands.
I wish we could relieve Herr Meier a little bit of this load, so that he could pay more attention to and take better care of his own health, have more time for his family, dedicate more often his precious time to his poetry, his flowers, his plants...
Let' s do our best to make him proud of us, at least on this one.
I also would like to let you know, that i studied together with a gentleman called Ryan Chilcote, back then at the Moscow State University; we became and remained comrades.
This comrade went on to become editor at CNN Moscow, then CNN world correspondent.
I unfortunately lost personal contact with and sight of him; his last assignment i am aware of, was in Iraq - rumors have it at the discussion forum of CNNreporter, that he left.
I shall keep on looking for him - for if this comrade is still in duty, there is some chance that we would find in him a valuable ally.
The party i am a member of, has also a newspaper/magazine called 'Tribune'.
I would submit our document-manifest to the 'Tribune', once we agree on its content and the way to make a rational use of it.
Salome,
Adam. |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 481
Registered: 10-2007
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The issue of OVERPOPULATION may soon be 'Moot.' This supposition is based on Information found at the following links (copy/paste)..:
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Project Avalon - 2012 Nexus event =
*> http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=8441
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RE: solar system captured by Milky Way =
*> http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html
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Re: planetary multi-body systems could be at play in the causation of solar flares. =
*> http://www.viewzone.com/paper01.html
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Re: 2012 Mayan calender =
*> http://www.viewzone.com/endtime.html
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Re: 2012 Mayan calender, part 2 =
*> http://www.viewzone.com/endtime2x.html
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The recent data shows that dramatic and potentially deadly effects can result from solar flares and coronal mass ejections. Substantial data suggests that an event, similar to the one anticipated in the 2012 "doomsday" scenario, occurred about 14,950 years ago and was recorded by ancient humans. This event appears to have lasted for several years in duration and was responsible for the abrupt end of the last ice age as well as a substantial culling of the human population.
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Consider what is given in these page-links, before passing Judgement. Embedded in these, are additional Links for your further pursuit.
Bear in mind also, that all major governments on Earth have already spent Trillions, and are investing Billions and Billions more, into DEEP underground CITIES to house Hundreds-of-Thousands, possibly Millions of People altogether. There have also been built deep protected Repositories for every kind of plant Seed, and other genetic materials. The rest of us must 'fend for ourselves or perish.'
Salome
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From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being
J_rod7
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 181
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 08:46 am: |
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Edle Moderators, liebe Kameraden,
Heed to Creation and to Its endless Wisdom, indeed!
A question, completely out of the blue, of a member(Ashtav) at Project Avalon Forum and the way he asked it, has already provided us with an opportunity and a platform to present our overpopulation awareness campaign and to underline our own methods of tackling it.
http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7690&highlight=goblet+truth#post91546
(Thanks again, dear Kamerad Marksmanr!)
I would like to ask those Kameraden who are aware of other FIGU english documents on overpopulation or have other personal texts and/or insights ready, to assist us there.
It could make some difference.
PS: bear in mind that your humble Kamerad Phenix/Adam is RakaR at Project Avalon Forum.
Salome,
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Kingman
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Post Number: 551
Registered: 07-2004
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Hey Adam,
I have a very good friend who is the producer of the local 11 0'clock news cast here in Los Angeles. When the idea moves past the initial thought and begins a greater physical structure, I'm sure I can gleam a little airtime from him.
I'm preparing for a 2 month trip to South America and am swamped with preparations at the moment, but will have internet once I arrive and can continue helping out then. I have a few days till I leave so I'll make any comments I can till then.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Rarena
Member
Post Number: 381
Registered: 10-2005
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Overpopulation ceased quickly for the Maya...
Would you like to know why? Contact 134 and Contact 229.
To those interested in the date of 2012 as being described and dictated by... the Mayan calendar as some sort of "mystical warning" from the past... you may want to visit Michael Horn's (Theyfly.com) website and read Contact 229 concerning the Maya and see if their information deems worthy as your source of information.
Warning: You may find their way of life a tad unpleasant and shocking so prepare yourself accordingly.
I will not hypertext the location as Michael may want to change the location on his website so... go to TheyFly.com and find it, it is called:
"The Demystification of the Mayan" and is an excellent read... the source being Quetzal.
And while you're there... see how someone who pays attention to the truth... is concise and elegant in his presentation of facts, without political views or trumped up attitude and diatribe. |
Gaiawingz
Member
Post Number: 44
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 11:44 am: |
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Pathfinder;
Aside from the fact that you are pathetically short-sighted... consider the following:
I have six genetic siblings, two genetic parents, a god-father, and a step-father just within my immediate family. Admittedly, three of those siblings are currently under the age of six. The other three are aged 14-23. Between the 16 year old and the 23 year old, I know for a fact they have well over two-dozen friends, and my step-father has another 18 co-workers who like him, chat with him, and could be influenced by him. That's 42 people right there, and every single one of them has got family members.
So if I can get my family to recognize the problem of overpopulation -- if I can get my siblings to cast aside the erroneous belief they have been indoctrinated with by our irresponsible mother (that we should all have a minimum of 4 children) and furthermore if I can get them to the point where they will discuss this matter with their friends, with their co-workers, etc. then in no time at all we could see something being done about overpopulation. Starting with one's family does not entail taking hundreds of thousands of years to combat the problem.
It's a far quicker process than that.
Now, if you want to get an idea of what happens when someone on, say, a radio show which is broadcast across the US, Canada, the UK, and available on the internet for tens of thousands of people can accomplish, I'll tell you: they get kicked off air and aren't asked to return. They also get hate-mail from angry listeners who 'don't believe' in overpopulation.
The kind of massive change you want to see take place will not occur short of the government/military seizing violent control (violent meaning they control the populace against their own will) of essentially the whole world all at once. Unless there are strict laws, the kind of authoritarian stuff you would cry foul over, your best, quickest hope for instigating change is by starting with your family members, with your friends, co-workers, and those people closest to you. Educate a dozen people and then you'll have thirteen who can educate a dozen more, etc.
See how that has the momentum of exponential growth? If you want to battle overpopulation, though, and I gather you do because of the language you use, then you should stop cringing over the thought of mandatory semi-permanent sterilization. While you're at it, consider what has been said in the prophecies about there coming a time when the problem is so bad that we instigate laws to the effect of murdering the man, woman, and child involved if a man and woman have children without the consent of the law.
I'm all for the semi-permanent sterilization methods which exist, but there are even people here on this board who would not consent to such a measure, no matter whether it was reversible. Frankly, I think it would solve a huge number of problems; chiefly reducing the population in a peaceful manner, as well as negating the necessity for costly and emotionally-taxing abortions, as well as reducing the stress on people who feel compelled to reproduce because of the expectations of their family members, and just think of all the accidental and unwanted children who would be spared.
Now I suggest that you fall silent on this matter, since all you have apparently done is demand that Billy and the other core members draw up and implement some kind of 'battle plan' or the like, at the same time as you fail to consider that Billy is the most intelligent, evolved person on this planet and as such it can reasonably be expected that he is already doing what is necessary on his part.
Try doing what is necessary on your part. Have you educated your children about this matter? Have you broached the topic with your friends and colleagues? What have you done, other than come here to complain about what others are not doing?
Peace,
- Gaia |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 482
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 02:59 pm: |
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Greeting in Peace to All
Hi there Gaia,
A little self-disclosure here... I myself had the Vasectomy Procedure done some 30-years ago. So, then, at a time when I could have fathered more children, my election was Enough is Enough. I have taken Personal Responsibility over this. This was in full agreement with my Wife, who passes our Reasoning along to her Family. Certainly, this is not to suggest such action for anyone else. It is a personal Decision best left to Individual Conscience.
I think all of us here have a vested Interest... Provide help, ask for help, step UP, or step aside while the rest of us go Forward. From my Perspective - One who Votes, has a right for input to Policy.
Please 'go easy' on member Pathfinder. He has a genuine Interest in his Spiritual Growth, in his growth of Truth and Wisdom. My observation is that Ed has already come a long way in a short time.
I only suggest to Pathfinder - find Time, 20-minutes or so each day, to Meditate.
~** In a Breakfast of Eggs and Ham, the Chicken Contributed but the Pig was Committed **~
Salome
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From One Eternal Spiritual Being to All Others, Awaken to Your true Essential Being
J_rod7
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Michael
Member
Post Number: 704
Registered: 10-2000
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This approach by Gaiawingz is intelligent and should produce some interesting results, as an example of the snowball approach Billy speaks of.
It reflects some realism in regard to self-responsibility and taking practical, although small, steps towards the goal.
We can also note that it is the younger people, their generation and the subsequent ones, which will have to deal with this problem so to see proactivity from that generation is encouraging.
I'd love to know if you're speaking of a particular radio show, as I don't have any problem putting such things out there in these kinds of venues.
Michael Horn
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Kingman
Member
Post Number: 554
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 03:13 pm: |
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J_rod7,
I don't get why you need to post this info in the over-population thread. And when will any of that info be reported over a broader spectrum of scientists? I'm not challenging it, but since I'm not a scientist I usually try and reference as much as possible before posting a single website as a source of consensus.
Pay attention to where you post. You are drumming up fear producing scenarios in the over population topic. The Fear topic is over at...hmmm, let me see....oh yah!, at the Avalon site!.
Salome,
a friend in america
Shawn
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Pathfinder
Member
Post Number: 211
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 12, 2008 - 04:03 pm: |
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Dear Gaia,
With that mouth of yours I hope we don't have to elect you as our diplomat. lol
There is nothing wrong with wanting to know what FIGU has planned and what they may or may not be working on. So my asking should not be a problem.
Also my opinion should not be a problem if they care what we have to say.
Furthermore, your sandbagging effort to plug up the leak may be accomplishing somethoing in your eyes, but I still see it as sandbagging in the face of a deluge.
What we need is to have someone with the will and foresight to act, and not someone who wants to simply sit back and give up because of wehat prophecy says. Are you unaware that prophecy is NOT unalterable? All prophecy is based solely on what choices we make and those choices can alter a prophecy.
We need people who want to take action and do what the Plejaren have asked us to do.
You can teach your children about it while we actually do something that just might change the path we are now on.
When I stop asking questions and seeking answers, and when I stop thinking and rationalizing I will sit back and teach my children how to do the same as well.
"Therefore nothing may mislead him to un-truth and falseness, because his entire BEING is in the creational cognition of infinite truth."
Contact 18:62
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