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    J_rod7 Member Post Number: 581 Registered: 10-2007 |
.... Bester Gruß, mein Bruder im Geist, Adam FYI, I have also E-mailed this list to JamesM. I think if he can forward copies to FIGU- Ceská republika and FIGU- Italia in the existing English, someone at each should be capable for translation. Some at each may even be fluent and capable in languages of counties which are their neighbors. A response back to James from them should give an idea of their abilities. Certainly, they must know the importance of this initiative. Salome .... You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 04-2007 |
i seen that movie and i think its bs, if carbon dioxide was really the cause then we should be forbidden since apparently according to al gore carbon dioxide is the leading cause of global warming. We exhale carbon dioxide. If you want to fix the problem stop cutting trees down since they breathe in carbon dioxide and exhale oxygen which we need to breathe. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Johnboy New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 07-2008 |
Should the prophecies regarding the environmental catastrophies come true, it seems our planet earth will have a tremendous influence on the reduction of population in the future. It occured to me that if the Yellowstone super volcano, with a 40 mile wide caldera, were to erupt it would destroy the central part of the United States and eliminate the population there. Logic causes me to believe that once that happens, it will open the magma flows that connect to the subduction zones off the coast of Oregon. That could lead to the predicted seaquake of 9.0 and the resulting tsunamis off the coast of Oregon which will penetrate as far as 20 kilometers inland with the resulting loss of life being catastropic. The Plejaren have prophecied that the earth will retaliate. This would be a "perfect storm" if the La Palma volcano slid into the Atlantic ocean and created a tsunami over a 1000 meters high and wiped out another 20 to 30 million people. It could be a LOT sooner than we think. Time is running through our fingers. The common denominator is the overpopulation crisis and we have been warned. The probability of all these things happening at the same time is very remote...but what if it did? The Plejaren told us we could change it. Billy told us we could change it. Let's do what we can to change it now. | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Syn: You are entitled to your opinion, and I respect that, though, in Stockholm, Sweden, they didn’t think it was bs because he was nominated to the Peace Nobel Price, and I think he has received it. Anyways, regardless of his motives or his opinion, I think you need to know that emission of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere is not the problem. The problem is that we are emitting this in excessive quantities and the planet can’t keep up with it. We don’t have enough tress and plants to recycle this. Therefore what is happening is the green house effect. That means that the dense cap of carbon dioxide is trapping the sun light inside the atmosphere. So the temperature is rising. The second thing that is happening is the destruction of the ozone. With all kinds of chemicals released in the sky, the ozone is getting thin. This is the protection of the planet against the sun light. There is a hole right now above the South Pole, and if we don’t do anything about it, we will have holes everywhere. This is not Gore’s opinion, it is a scientific fact. He just distributes this fact given by honest scientists; in my opinion, there is nothing wrong with that. Salome | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 06-2008 |
Syn: I just wanted to tell you one more thing. You are very right about not cutting trees. We are cutting almost 30-50% of forests, and at the same time we are producing more carbon dioxide; but we can’t rely on the tress alone, if the population grows, we will emit more smog into the sky and we will need hundreds of forests to clean the air, something unrealistic, in my opinion. We just need to stop the use of fossil fuels. Johnboy: Nice to see on the Forum  I have to say that natural events can bring the number of humans down, in a negative way, but it could give the planet a relieve. I think we just need to learn by means of logic and good judgment on how to control the population, because right after the earthquake, we would go back to the old ways and raise the population again.Salome | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 114 Registered: 04-2007 |
Read this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y48g-7_pccE not only this but just do a google search on al gore a liar and you will find loads of nice links They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 06-2008 |
Syn: Ok, I will take a look. But do you agree with global warming in general? Salome | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 10-2007 |
marcela wrote: we just need to learn by means of logic and good judgment on how to control the population, because right after the earthquake, we would go back to the old ways and raise the population again. that was very well said. On the topic of trees, interestingly enough many plants and trees began operating in {reverse photosynthesis} during that big heatwave in France in 2005 although the heatwave went as far as Bangladesh, this seems similiar to what was called the "reverse KREBS cycle" at the univ of Cal, Berkley in 1966 in the US within the division of molecular plant biology... Semjase once stated in the contact reports in the seventies that our disastorious course here on Earth was also affecting stars out in space, causing them directly to dim, an interstellar cause and effect ripple of living out of balance with creation, as a result of so many thousands of years of too much negativity here on Earth. Ptaah also explained how a planet that cycles into negativity (-) will also negatively affect other planets as well, and that this can be reduced if a planet shifts towards the positive (+) and then eventually the nuetral positive (-/+)... Corey | ||
Johnboy New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2008 |
Marcela, Thank you for your kind words. Your logic seems correct. Right now we know we have been warned about the abuse of our planet caused by overpopulation... But, everyday we see news items regarding the symptoms of the problem like: global warming, pollution, famine, etc. I find that most people want to treat the symptoms but do not address what is the common denominator of all of the symptoms. The common denominator is overpopulation and our warning has been given to us. It is up to us to share that information whether people believe in ET's or not. We must make people aware that by allowing attrition to reduce the population while we also limit our new births, the rest of the "symptoms" should also reduce. Perception is the key. Right now, the 'perception' is focused on global warming because big businesses can profit from the creation of products that 'address' that perceived problem while avoiding the real issue that causes global warming. I am not against addressing those issues, but it is like focusing on re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic and ignoring the iceberg field ahead. When the ship goes down, the deck chairs don't matter anymore. I believe we have to go beyond the 'popular' issues and make people aware that overpopulation causes ALL of the issues. We don't even have to tell anyone that the information came from ET's or even from Billy. Let's make everyone aware of the disease (overpopulation) which causes the "symptoms". When my spirit comes back to this planet, it would be nice to know that the planet has room for me...and the rest of you as well. I hope this makes sense. Salome. Johnboy | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 586 Registered: 03-2004 |
Corey I think you might be mistaken. I interpreted the notes to say that as a result of changes in earth's atmosphere, the stars have dimmed in appearance. Which contact are you refering to please? Thomas | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 115 Registered: 04-2007 |
i believe in a global eff up, its ignorant to think we know the whole history of global climate when we didnt even study the ice age in relation to that. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 80 Registered: 06-2008 |
Johnboy: You couldn’t have said it better; we can help the mission by informing people of the number one problem which is overpopulation. We don’t have to mention FIGU for the moment; we can create awareness of the need to have laws about parenting. We have to mention the source to people who are ready to accept the existence of the Plejarens, but for the protection of the mission and us, we can’t go out in public about the mission. But we can create a foundation of thinking by talking about global warming, overpopulation, conservation of water etc… Thank you for the idea. Corey: I always thought that we can expand the destruction of nature into space; it doesn’t surprise me that we might be causing effects beyond our solar system, but it would be nice if you could find the contact, so we can know for sure about these effects. Syn: Yes, we don’t know everything about the ice age, global warming, but the Plejarens do know. And Billy agrees with global warming. He mentioned it on the Prophecies part, on brochures, etc…Even Jmmanuel has mentioned the climate change; I can quote him if you want. The Plejarens and Billy have affirmed global warming several times. I don’t’ think how detailed information was given by them, but Billy has mentioned the following: From brochure “Overpopulation Bomb Destruction of the Earth Discrimination Against Women”: "Approximately 70% of all motor vehicles in the world are in the northern hemisphere, and they greatly accelerate the industrial nation’s share of atmospheric and environmental pollution… "…A further gigantic, global threat is occurring as the Earth’s ozone layer is depleted as a result of Man’s fault and irresponsibility. Not only is the opening in the ozone layer above the South pole growing larger from year to year but elsewhere as well…" These are words written by Billy Meier. Syn, I am not trying to contradict you. I jus want you to read Billy and his approach about global warming, if you are not going to read any other terrestrial documentation about this problem. Salome | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 133 Registered: 10-2007 |
Thomas, I believe the same as you, the 45th contact. I referred to the plant cylce as a direct encompassing possible referrence to a change in the earth's atmoshphere due to overpopulation (-). Corey | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 134 Registered: 10-2007 |
the Ptaah contact was my interpretation of lines 61-86 of contact 39, which was also based on Ptaah's explanation of Religion/Relegeon/Relegeöse located within contact 32. Here is the wiki on reverse KREBS cycle http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_Krebs_cycle which I followed up on after reading the book 6 degrees by author Mark Lynas, btw Thomas you have asked Billy some excellent questions, you are incredibly thourough. Corey | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 116 Registered: 04-2007 |
i know billy said that but its not entirely always global warmimg. There is also global coolings that we are going through right now. im sure the ps didnt overlook this. it makes me disgusted on how they put taxes on greenhouse gases. there shouoldnt be a price tag on earth. without earth you wont hav e ahome let alone money. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 83 Registered: 06-2008 |
Syn: Yes you are right; we are entering an ice age. Scientists have all kinds of theories about it, but if you read the Henoch prophesies, you’ll read that we are entering an ice age and it is man’s fault in part. It is right at the end. And I agree with you; the government is not going to accomplish anything by raising taxes. In my opinion the government is doing nothing, zero to solve the problem. Salome | ||
Schantz Member Post Number: 9 Registered: 03-2007 |
Synister, You should spend more time on the Alex Jones and David Icke forums where you will have a more receptive audience. Ted Turner has been speaking out against religion, overpopulation, nuclear weapons, and the destruction of the environment before you were wetting your pants. What part of the Al Gore message do you not agree with? Do you really think that Al Gore and Ted Turner are the boogeymen and are out to get you and the rest of society and to collect your tax dollars? What have you done in comparison to these people to help the planet and bring awareness to some of the worlds biggest problems other than criticize them? Get real. | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 117 Registered: 04-2007 |
marcela, yup the government wont do shit because they really dont want to because it doesnt bring profit. like i say i much rather have a home to live on rather then have all the money in the world. and all the money in the world cant save the planet, we have to. yes i read the henoch prophecies and yes i know were hastening the ice age. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Syn Member Post Number: 118 Registered: 04-2007 |
schantz david icke is a nutcase with the draconian bs. billy said it himself there is no reptilian monsters underground. it came from alex collier and ask michael about his back story :P i only listen to alex jones..would of listen to bill cooper but hes dead now. They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority -Gerald Massey | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 398 Registered: 03-2007 |
(Please note this is a response to a post in the Questions to Billy Submitted For Peer Review section) Zhila: “Isn’t our artificial built in aggressive tendency the reason why we overpopulate in the first place?” Billy discusses the Sirian genetic manipulations for several pages in Aus den Tefen des Weltenraums and makes the same cause and effect analysis. Durch die Genmanipulation war damals das Negative, oder das Böse, wie das der Erdenmensch allgemein versteht, besonders stark und unnatürlich aggressiv geprägt worden, weshalb es auch heute noch nicht derart stark abgebaut ist in den Erdenmenschen, dass sie nicht wieder ausarten könnten, und zwar in jeder Beziehung und so also in der übermässigen Zeugung von Nachkommen, was zur Überbevölkerung und allen daraus resultierenden Übeln aller Art geführt hat, wie auch zu religiös-sektiererischem Wahnsinn und Schwachsinn in vielfach fanatischer Art und Weise, wodurch gesamthaft letztendlich nicht nur die Zerstörung des Planeten droht, sondern auch die Zerstörung der gesamten Umwelt und des Lebens in allen Formen überhaupt. p.304 My rough unofficial translation: "Through the negative genetic manipulations, or Evil, as the earth person understands in general, characterized as very strong and unnaturally aggressive, is still not so greatly reduced in the earth-human that they could not degenerate again in every respect and so this is in the excessive generation of offspring which has led to the overpopulation and all evils of every type resulting from it, as well as to religious-sectarian insanity and nonsense in often fanatical ways by which the destruction of the planet is threatened in its entirety, the destruction of the whole environment and the life in all its’ forms." Zhila: “I wonder then, should there be just as much emphasis on genetic science as there is on overpopulation, or may be even more?” – That’s my personal considered opinion. Here's what Billy says: Wahrheitlich nämlich wurde diese Genmanipulation nur als kontrollierbarer Faktor erschaffen, wodurch der Mensch sehr wohl in der Lage ist, über das in ihn gepflanzte Böse Herr zu sein und dieses auch immer mehr zum Verschwinden zu bringen auf dem natürlichen Weg der Evolution, was jedoch ungeheuer lange Zeit in Anspruch nimmt, weshalb eine Rückgängigmachung der Genmanipulation absolut angebracht ist. P.302 “Truly, this genetic engineering was created as a controllable factor, from which man is perfectly capable, to overcome the evil man planted in them and to also bring about its’ disappearance more and more in the natural way of evolution, but would take an extremely long time, which is why a cancellation of the genetic manipulation is absolutely right.” Dieses Denken und Handeln des Erdenmenschen stellt eine Rückfallphase in den Urzustand der Genmanipulation dar, wodurch, wie damals zur Frühzeit, alles ausartet und alle Übel überhandnehmen, weshalb damals die Erzeuger- Herrscher auch darin einen weiteren Grund sahen, die Genmanipulierten wieder zu eliminieren. Besonders bei militärischen und revoluzzerischen Belangen sowie bei religiös-sektiererischen Machenschaften kommt diese Rückfallphase heute besonders stark zum Ausdruck. Durch den Militärdrill sowie durch die politischen Hetzkampagnen und den religiös-sektiererischen Fanatismus und das Verbrechertum aller Art geht die Kontrolle über das Positive verloren, das vom Negativen verschluckt und unterdrückt wird, aus dem heraus wiederum ein Rauschzustand des Negativ-Bösen entsteht, dem unkontrolliert nachgegeben und nachgelebt wird. P.304 "This thinking and action of the earth person shows a relapse phase to the old state of the genetic manipulation by which, like at that earlier time, everything degenerates and all evil gets out of control, which is why at that time, the creator overlords found further reason to eliminate the genetic-manipulated altogether. Especially today with military and revolutionary interests, as well as with religious-sectarian machinations, this relapse phase is strongly expressed. By the military exercises, by the virulent political campaigns and the religious-sectarian fanaticism and the criminality of all kind, the control of the positives gets lost and is swallowed by the negative and is suppressed from which a drunkenness state of the negative-bad originates again, which is given uncontrollably and is postlived." Regards Bob | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 135 Registered: 10-2007 |
Bob wrote: "This thinking and action of the earth person shows a relapse phase to the old state of the genetic manipulation by which, like at that earlier time, everything degenerates and all evil gets out of control" i have been reflecting on this sentence lately and have been incredibly worried. i am not so sure that our planet is entirely ready to give up it's religions any time soon and on that note perhaps the formation of a peacekeeping fighting troop at this time might hurt the world peace then help. in my small personal humble opinion honesty is not a charachteristic our world seems too capable of peacefully embracing w/o harming the person who is simply trying to tell the truth just look at the documented assasination attempts towards Billy. Let me give you another example: recently some of us forum posters here on the FIGU forums no less were discussing overpopulation and our peaceful methods of activism, where we were accused of "hit and run tactics" which is ridiculous and offensive because we were simply discussing legally writing letters to worldwide orginizations such as the wpi/world population initiative; and in some cases referring to unspoken commitments to the concepts of masturbation and safe sex. This to me is one small example of three things: 1) the world at large does not seem capable of grasping Billy's in-depth spiritual teachings without harming Billy's mission at this point (overruning the center etc.) which could only enhance the seemingly relapse Bob was referring to, or in other words "could do more harm then good". 2) that the international youth at this point not only feels completely isolated, but is overall almost incapable of discussions without hurting one anothers feelings, and to me personally reflects that on a global and personal scale people on earth are simply afraid and are not learning how to talk to one another internationally like we sometimes do on the forums, 3) overall newer or unread posters and the like do not always seem aware that especially among the english forums there are no experts. There are only individuals who are expressing their constantly evolving opinions, and this certainly means that what is said here is not always reflective of what the Plejarens Billy or FIGU recommend but are just opinions (learning place). And if you haven't already noticed the forums here is largely and simply made up of human beings (kids and adults)who want to begin understanding Billy's teachings for themselves at their own pace without worry that it will cost them their life or jeapordize present or future world peace efforts by harming Billy's mission due to personal or political misinterpretation. Now keep in mind that overpopulation is a topic that has been validated by individuals outside of Billy's circlehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation just this one wikipedia has over 174 refrences and a wide list of books unassociated with Billy. Perhaps this is reflective that our world struggles with the concept of an urgent worldwide birthstop because our world is not very tolerant towards women and part of that tolerance could mean that some women all around the globe everywhere have been born that want to be treated with more tolerance and tolerance could = the right to living their life without the expectation of constant child birth being taught or forced upon their already fragile Psyche. Speak to one rape victim and she will most likely tell you how terrible it was. While to anyone who studies Billy's material it is frightening to read that earth may never have the chance to formulate our various societies around the planet to a point where international (and later interplanetary) peace can actually be experienced and set in, or at least have a difficult and very hard time doing so. here is where I would like to drift of into a small point: smart gun technology is a technology that is in it's basic form a technology which only allows the registered gun owner the ability to use their particular fingerprint to activate the gun. Now why are world leaders not discussing this one presently ? Think of what this could do to make streets, cities, countries all around the globe much safer to say the very least and certianly cut down the need for military interventions. And if those of us on the bottom write letters asking for meausures to be taken so we can know this technology is applied then we put our very lives at risk because to our leaders this very idea may sound ridiculous. This in one small example of how on a global scale it seems how we are setting ourselves up for the worst to come true. Furthermore since none of us can jump in a beamship today and become an IHWH tommorow i am of the persoanl opinion that while world leadership should set realistic and suitable goals for our planets current condition that is based on the overall planetary concencious and how this concencious can be raised humenley should be considered, before it is too late, it also can probably not be done all at once but will take time Gebot means recommendations . For now how about forming an international stabilization team to start that could learn how to begin teaching societies around the world self responsibility for adapting to climatic changes, teaches farming practices, disarms terrible weapons etc? while it is exciting to think about the possibilities of time travel we may never know it in the faraway future if we do not begin making realistic efforts towards trying something different (the Gemüt), (and above all else these are just my personal opinions,. regards, Corey | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1287 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Corey..... Yes, excellent summary! Indeed, the majority of Spirit-forms are still quite: Immature. And has not Evolved yet, to the level which they can distance themselves from their Cult Religion and all related, etc. Similar, even at this time, the consumption of RED Meat or meat in general, is still part of the Evolution of today's MAN/Human; and thus, he is not yet far Evolved enough Materially and Spiritually, to distance himself from his Red Meats, etc. The above mentioned aspects are indeed: a step-by-step processing, as Billy has mentioned an endless of times. And even though MAN can - fall-back - into his old habits, if you will, he...will have to Evolve himself 'Upward' again, towards the correct Evolution Level/State of Being. In the Contact Notes this is mentioned by Billy as well as the Plejarans....a number of times. [Reminiscent to the ET's in the past whom executed Nuclear Wars, here on Earth; those whom survived...: had to start all over again! Just a Creational Law, implementing itself.] You just: 'pick up the grain, where you left off', so to speak. And as we can notice: the(ir) Ignorance to (Global) Overpopulation....is their Weak Spot! Edward. | ||
Phi_spiral Member Post Number: 405 Registered: 03-2007 |
Hi Zhila, Yes, I think you are essentially correct. Even though Billy has drawn a link between genetic manipulations and overpopulation, mankind still has free will. And as Billy has explained, the aggressor gene does not make you into a murderer, it just makes you capable of murder. And in an emotional state this capacity or potential can more easily bypass critical thinking. Point being mankind can still overcome these genetic tendencies with applied free will. So the same then should apply to its’ tendency to over-procreate beyond the planet’s sustainable limit, bearing in mind that it really has not been that long ago that the industrial revolution spawned its’ wayward child we call “overproduction”. We should bear in mind, too, according to the contact notes, that overpopulation exists on other planets whose people are not part of the Sirian genetically manipulated lineage. Regards Bob |
