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    Michael Member Post Number: 740 Registered: 10-2000 |
Freddy, You're welcome, it's great that people are finding the stories ou there that pertain to the mission. Michael Horn | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 226 Registered: 07-2008 |
Beste Empfehlung sehr geehrte Moderators, Kameraden, Mister Michael Horn, Thanks for those useful links; it indeed feels neutral-posivitively great to see the topic of overpopulation being openly discussed. This is already a good step forward. Update. NELSON MANDELA FOUNDATION "RE: Best Wishes and Request From: Thoko Mavuso (Thokom@nelsonmandela.org) Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 10:54:19 AM To: Dear Mr Adam Thank you for your correspondence to the Nelson Mandela Foundation. Mr Mandela announced his exit from public life in June 2004 and no longer involves himself in matters of this nature. He now wishes to enjoy a well deserved retirement and it will therefore not be possible for him to support your appeal. We regret that Mr Mandela will not be in a position to support your campaign and hope you will not be discouraged by our inability to assist. Sincerely MS THOKO MAVUSO Nelson Mandela Foundation ( +27 (0) 11 728 1000| Fax: +27 (0) 11 728 1111 |107 Central Street | Houghton, 2041 Private Bag X 70 000, Houghton, 2041, SA Website:www.nelsonmandela.org" Our answer: "RE: Best Wishes and Request - Acknowledgement From: Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2009 12:24:41 PM To: thokom@nelsonmandela.org Honorable Ms Mavuso, I profoundly hope that mister Mandela is doing fine. Thank you for your answer; the formal reaction of the Nelson Mandela Foundation means a lot to me. We are slowly but resolutely carrying ahead our initiative towards a deeper and wider awareness of the worldwide overpopulation and of the need of an also worldwide birth control, the only ethical, rational, responsible, logical and humane solution, we strongly assume. Our petition is currently being translated in many languages, including Swahili, a language greatly needed in order to reach as many Africans as possible - for, although these measures apply to and could be the salvation of the whole mankind, we are convinced that the application of birth control would give a massive relief and, eventually, some sound lead to African nations! We shall keep you informed. Thanks again for your attention and do please forward our sincere wishes of health and happiness to mister Mandela. Regards, Adam. PS: I thought, you may find the following related analyses and developments interesting: - 'Obama reverses Bush abortion-funds policy' By LIZ SIDOTI and MATTHEW LEE, Associated Press Writers – Fri Jan 23. "WASHINGTON – President Barack Obama on Friday struck down the Bush administration's ban on giving federal money to international groups that perform abortions or provide abortion information — an inflammatory policy that has bounced in and out of law for the past quarter-century. Obama's executive order, the latest in an aggressive first week reversing contentious Bush policies, was warmly welcomed by liberal groups and denounced by abortion rights foes." [...] (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090123/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_abortion_ban) - Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi boldly defended a move to add birth control funding to the new economic "stimulus" package, claiming "contraception will reduce costs to the states and to the federal government." (http://www.drudgereport.com/flashpbc.htm) - Baby decisions - adding to the world's woes? " How responsible is it to have children in a world whose environmental health is already under stress? That's the question Joanna Benn poses this week in the Green Room. On the other hand, she wonders, will a couple more hungry mouths make much difference?"[...] (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7759845.stm) - POPULATION: The elephant in the room Uncontrolled population growth threatens to undermine efforts to save the planet, warns John Feeney. In this week's Green Room, he calls on the environmental movement to stop running scared of this controversial topic. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7865332.stm ) - One last chance to save mankind "With his 90th birthday in July, a trip into space scheduled for later in the year and a new book out next month, 2009 promises to be an exciting time for James Lovelock. But the originator of the Gaia theory, which describes Earth as a self-regulating planet, has a stark view of the future of humanity. He tells Gaia Vince we have one last chance to save ourselves - and it has nothing to do with nuclear power." (http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20126921.500-one-last-chance-to-save-mankind.html?full=true&print=true)" Salome. (Message edited by scott on December 01, 2013) | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 141 Registered: 10-2007 |
in taking some time from the Kelch der Wahrheit here is a graph I found online from the L3S Forschungszentrum.Research Center http://www.l3s.de/growbag/Medline/hierarchy-overpopulation-5433-topk3-perc15-2005-1990.gif that gives a deeper understanding into our overpopulation. * part one Der letzte Baum wird fallen... the last tree will have fallen... Der letzte Baum wird fallen. Welche eine grausige Vorstellung, und doch rückt dieser Tag ersichtlich immer näher. Es ist erstaunlich dass unser Planet im Universum überhaupt noch blau schimmert, nach dem, was ihm der Mensch bisher an Zerstörung alles angetan hat. Passender wäre wohl ein tiefes, leuchtendes Rot. The last tree will fall. Which a growing idea and these days is already drawing nearer. It is astonishing overall that already in this universe our planet already shimmered so blue, with that idea said it was him the human who has brought destruction to everything. It's passing into being entirely to a shade of red. Überall wo man nur hinschaut herrscht Zerstörung, Terror, Gewalt und Entsetzen. An der Tagesordnung stehen Vergewaltigung, Mord, und Totschlag. An der Tagesordnung stehen Vergewaltigung, Mord und Totschlag. Wir menschen sind gereizt, bösartig, gefühlsarm, kaltblütig und im Dauerstress. Overall where they only respected as a power destruction, terror, violence, and horror. To the days order of rape, murder, and manslaughter. We humans are irritable, evil in motion, armed with feelings, cold blooded, and in a duration of stress. Wir wissen nicht mehr, wie wir mit anderen Menschen umgehen müssen, denn wir sind verklemmt und gehemmt, trübsinning und deprimiert und haben Selbstmordgedanken; wir sind verantwortungs- und rücksichtlos und lassen das Leben einfach an uns vorbeiziehen. We know not more, how we must go with other different humans, we are inhibited and inhibitive, depressed, and depriving, and we have self murdering thoughts; we are responsibly inconsiderate in how we let the life itself pass us by. Die Erde ist durchtränkt mit unschuldig vergossenem Blut aller Lebensformen, die Wasser färben sich auf der ganzen Welt rot, von all den sinnnlos geführten Kriegen, Revolutionen und sonstigen blutigen Machenschaften. Unsere Welt ist übersat mit klaffenden Wunden. Wir die Menschen, betreiben Raubbau an allen Resourcen auf allen Erdtielen und tun so unschuldig, als wäre nichts geschehen; in Wahrheit aber herrscht in allen Regionen der Welt das grosse Entsetzen. The earth is forced to drink with unforgetable guiltlessness the blood of all lifeforms, the water of the entire world has coloured itself red from all the thoughtless wars, revolutions, and ensuing bloody human creations. Our world is oversat with ridiculous miracles. We the human pursued overexploitation to all resources out of all earth components and have done so guiltless as though it was not happening; in truth also all regions of the world have legalized the entire large horror. Bereits versiegte Vulkane öffnen sich aufs neue, ershüttern die Erde und überfluten die Dörfer mit Ascheregen, dedrohen sogar Städte, die Atmosphäre, Wälder und Weltmeere. Feuerbrünste vernichten grosse Landstrichte. Wirbelstürme fegen durchs Land. Erdrutsche verschütten Strassen, Wälder und von Menschen besiedelte Gebiete. Durch massive Waldrodungen werden grosse Landstrichte zu unbrauchbaren Wüsten gemacht. Der ungeschützte Boden trocknet schnell aus, erodiert und wird fortgeschwemmt. Already preparing a seige, volcanoes open themselves out of new shuddering the earth and overflowing villages with ash threatning occupants and towns and cities, the atmosphere, wildlife, and worldseas. A few of the brown volcanoes will anhialate entire stretches of land. Tornadoes sweep through land. Landslides bury the streets, wildlife, and human populated areas. Through massive world destruction large regions of land are made into unbearable deserts. The undefendable evil shriveling then comes and drys fast as a result eroded and becoming metamorphisized. Durch Aufforstungen könnte zwar weitgehend vermieden werden, dass bei sintflutartigen Regenfällen das kostbare Erdgut nich fortgerissen wird, was bei den versteppten Böden bereits der Fall ist, doch es wird nichts Lebenerhaltendes unternommen. Unaufhaltsam enstehen bei grossen Regengüssen richtige Schlammlawinen; alles was keinen festen Halt hat, wird weggerissen und zermalmt. Through far reaching reforestation can this be avoided, that by the flooding out of precious rainfall the good earth would not have risen up, how then the approaching evils which are already occuring would not become unternamed and receiving so much life. Irresistable is the origin with large downpours causing mudflow that snatches away and crunches all. Das Wasser hat keine Chance, um in das ausgetrocknete Erdreich zu sickern, denn der Boden ist durch das Ausdörren zu hart und wasserundurchlässig geworden. Die Folge davon sind riesige Überschwemmungen, bei denen viele Menschen um ihr Hab und Gut gebracht werden, ja sogar ihr Leben lassen müssen. Leichen und Tierkadaver treiben umher, und es besteht höchste Seuchengefahr. Durch Begradigungen der Flussläufe sowie durch Abholzungen der Uferwälder, der Auenwälder, die natürliche Überschwwemmungsregler sind, erreichen die Wassermassen eine derartige Geschwindigkeit, das sie alles mit sich reissen und alles unhemmbar überfluten, und awar selbst bewohnte Gebeite, The water has no chance in this shriveled up "earth empire" that is sick, the evil is resulting from the causalness that will be hard and the water changing that will become. The following result is underlaying the flood: there are more people become brought to their enjoyment of worldy posessions and yes must let themselves become comftorable in their lives. They have let themselves become cadavours and corpses that are being drawn there and that in journey in itself becomes the highest epidemic. As a result of the flowing idea of that brings about deforestation on an embankment of wood the wood of homes, the natural regulated drowning is, reaching the water masses a resulting the sort of a velocity that is all traveling overtakes and floods and itself becomes a living area. Erdbeben, ausgelöst durch den vom Menschen betreibenen Ausbeutungswahnsinn, erschuttern praktisch alle Erdteile und halten die Menschen in Angst und Schrecken. Durch den ungeheuren Überdruck auf die Erdrinde und die inneren Erdschichten, den wir Menschen durch die überquellende Bevölkerungszahl sowie durch die unatürlichen Gewichtsverlaterungen durch Städte- und Dörferbauten sowie durch Stauseen usw. erzeugen, werden noch viele Beben folgen, wenn nicht endich dem Überbevölkerungswahnsinn Einhalt geboten wird, aus dem schlussendlich alle Übel resultieren. Earthquake tossings that have resulted from the human over-exploitation insanity, shaken practically all earth components and ended the human in angst and fright. Through the untoday like-unimaginable excess pressure from out of the earth independence and the inner earth reaction. Then, we the humans through our population count bringing about the unatural shifting of weight resulting from cities and village construction as well as resevoirs and artificial lakes, etc. originating quivers resulting from endless overpopulation madness which is creationally recommended to become halted from which the ceasing of all evil results. Massenhaft Kinder auf die Welt zu stellen bedeutet nämlich: Absolute Zerstörung aller Existenz sowie absolute Vernichtung allen Lebens. Durch notwendige Massnahmen wie: Umfangreiche und erschöpfende Aufklärung aller Menschen über die Gegegenheit der gesamen Weltsituation, und zwar bereits ab dem Kindesalter, wobei vorzugsweise in Kinderhorten, Kindergärten und Schulen usw. begonnen werden muss. Auch sollten alle notwendigen Hinweise über die ausserordentlichen Gefahren aufgezeigt werden, wie sie vorprogrammiert auftreten be einer Lebensführung wie der bisherigen. thourough necessary undertakings as follows: extensive and creational explanations to all humans over the actualities of the entire world situation, as well as the older children, offereing lecture wisdom to all childs in preschooling kindergärten and educational and so forth. must begin then continue. Also it should become a supposed that the necessary relevance/instruction about the shifting into the outer ordinances/undertakings would become known and how they could be preprogrammed and pre instructed by a life quiding principle. * Der letzte Baum wird fallen pamphlet Hüter der Erde 2 http://www.l3s.de/growbag/Medline/hierarchy-oxygen-255-topk5-perc15-2005-1990.gif I wonder if the race from the AKART system who were overpopulated but were coming here to study our plants vegetables fruits and grains in the 35th contact days were doing so out of curiosity as well as to further understand what their evolution as a race had cost them /overpopulated also which was 23 billion/ whose evolution was still underdeveloped by Plejeran standards to assist. Consdering earth history and other ancient races experiences with overpopulation and slower sub light speed space travel no wonder there are so examples of ancient genetic engineered foods still here on Earth. I often sigh and wonder if those of us on earth will unfortuanately have to learn how to make it a societal norm by looking down on overpopulation after experiencing deadly disasters like those in Billy's pamphlet in the future? Corey Corey, Please only post live links to FIGU related websites. thanks Scott | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 142 Registered: 10-2007 |
part one and a half: this should read Massenhaft Kinder auf die Welt zu stellen bedeutet nämlich: Absolute Zerstörung aller Existenz sowie absolute Vernichtung allen Lebens. Durch notwendige Massnahmen wie: Umfangreiche und erschöpfende Aufklärung aller Menschen über die Gegegenheit der gesamen Weltsituation, und zwar bereits ab dem Kindesalter, wobei vorzugsweise in Kinderhorten, Kindergärten und Schulen usw. begonnen werden muss. Auch sollten alle notwendigen Hinweise über die ausserordentlichen Gefahren aufgezeigt werden, wie sie vorprogrammiert auftreten be einer Lebensführung wie der bisherigen. to the groups of children around the world this means namely (we must offer as an explanation): overpopulation is the absolute destroying of all existence causing absolute destruction of all life. Necessary undertakings as follows: truthful and creational explanations to all humans over the actualities of the entire world situation, as well as the older children, offereing lecture wisdom to all childs in preschooling kindergärten and educational and so forth must begin from there. Also it should become a supposed that the necessary hints/instruction about the shifting into the outer* ordinances/undertakings would become known and how they (future generations) could be preprogrammed and pre instructed by a life quiding principle * this is important to understand which is the word outer is used here in refrence to the inner and outer world of the human being used in correlation with good ideas emerging from inside us the human into one's own personal life and into the outer world. To me it seems this passage was written as a solution to outdated concepts that no longer apply in this new modern time of the Age of Aquarius/Wassermannzeit Era and what I read about Davos 2009 for instance seems to reflect many nations are tired of war and seem excited to talk amongst one another about global warming/renewable energy and so forth...who knows what some time will do or where the planetary concensus may go after all the eight billion of us (and growing) here on earth are all human beings and share the same planet  . coming soon: more points about overpopulation and a couple of things from the Die Arte zu leben from <billy> which you can find in the FIGU giftshoppe the source of copywritten works that are never about the money but to open minds* @ shop.figu.org Corey | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 181 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Corey, Hi. Thank you so much for the above translation. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Marcela Member Post Number: 100 Registered: 06-2008 |
Dear Norm: I wanted to respond to your post # 1233 for some time, but I didn’t have time. But I posted it here so everybody can read it: “What good is it if the population goes down in Europe & the USA when the borders are wide open & everyone from the overpopulated countries can just walk right in. The third world needs to be the number one target for population limits. They would be so much better off themselves for it. They wouldn't have to leave their countries. There would be plenty of jobs, food etc.” In a way you are right; what if the USA implements population laws and controls while the excess of people from poor countries come to the USA, then it is unfair for citizens to follow parenting laws when the excess of population from poor countries will increase the population due the inability of the government to efficiently close the borders. So, you say that we should control the population first and we would be better in this way. Maybe, but the problem of poor countries is more complex than just overpopulation. But that is a different discussion. I think that developed countries should create the laws first and then sign treaties with the rest of the industrialized WORLD that means EUROPE, JAPAN, etc…; after all we always do what this country wants. We never have a saying in anything. We are under the control of what the USA says. Through international treaties, really. I know this because I belonged to a Human Rights Organization in my country. I can tell you details about international politics, etc, but this is not the topic. That’s why Billy says that the USA needs to stop their international intervention on other countries. Some of these treaties are positive some are negative. A world with overpopulation control would be easily accepted by third world countries. The developed countries need to act FIRST and SOON, and give the example to the rest of the world. It is going to be difficult because Mexico, for example, is tremendously Catholic. They follow the no-birth control life and Mexico City is one of the biggest in the world with more that 20 million. My entire country has only 11 million and is quite big. So every country is different. So, once the USA imposes overpopulation laws, Mexico and south America would have to comply and the immigration problem could be solved this way. BTW: I visited your web site, it looks very nice and good information too. Salome | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 230 Registered: 07-2008 |
Respected moderators, dear friends, Greetings in peace. We now have our own thread at Project Avalon Forum: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10949 ...and two 'contributions' at Project Camelot Forum - courtesy of Herr Rod:-) http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=9940 http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=10784 Salome, Adam. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 622 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Greetings to All, We come Together in Peace Some new ideas to 'get-the-ball rolling' for the Global Over-Population Initiative: Having discussed this petition for the Birth-Stop, and what it means for Humanity in the near future with certain of my friends, I'll share here some common thoughts & suggestions. As an immediate set of measures, it may be necessary to encourage this idea among people with INCENTIVES to limit the number of children in each family. This is especially appropriate in the lesser-developed areas of the World... For the MAN, after fathering Two Children who will then have a Voluntary Vasectomy - He is to be paid a stipend equivalent to USD $5,000 in the local currency. For the MAN, after fathering Three Children who will then have a Voluntary Vasectomy - His stipend to be paid is USD $4,000. For the WOMAN, who will submit herself to Voluntary Sterilization after her Second Child - She will paid a stipend equivalent to USD $8,000 in the local currency. For the WOMAN, who will submit herself to Voluntary Sterilization after her Third Child - She is to paid a stipend of USD $6,000. For those people among ALL populations - tribes/villages/ethnicities/states/nations - which do NOT participate in the INCENTIVE programs, such ones should be subject to DISINCENTIVES. All Welfare/subsistence/Food-Stamps and Tax-Deductions will END for the 4th or more child. Support of ANY sort from the State will continue for the allowed Three Children, and more children than this will stretch the resources of the family. The ONLY exception to this rule, will be for those families which ADOPT additional children. The money saved by the State here will go into the INCENTIVE program. Now is the need to make THIS proposal to the Governments of Earth. The suggested amounts for stipend payments will be left to the discretion of the individual Governments, but should be substantial enough to be REAL Money to the participants. On a larger scale, INCENTIVES or DISINCENTIVES will apply to those NATIONS WHICH PARTICIPATE OR DECLINE, by common agreement among the G8- Summit group, or the United Nations. However, this proposal does not need to wait for such Summits or Agreements, and should go forth to those nations for consideration to enact this unilaterally. SOONER BEGUN, SOONER DONE Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 07-2008 |
Guten Tag sehr geehrte Moderators, the forum, Thanks for your commitment and (original:-)) ideas, Herr Rod. The measures leading to a responsible, rational amount - and quality, indeed! - of population from the social sciences des Herrn Meier are universal and must basically be worldwide simultaneously applied to have the desired effect. You are right, though: we must begin somewhere and someone should lead by example. We meanwhile went global, reaching out in good faith to potential allies: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?p=111172#post111172 Mister Horn in 'Environment', Accept my appreciation for your good and sober work; we gladly gave it forward: http://www.projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=7690 (Post 133) Salome, Adam. | ||
Johnboy Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 07-2008 |
J_Rod7, I also believe that the responsibility to reduce the number of births falls on the shoulders of the father. Great idea! Sure beats having the government provide $850 Billion to bailout poorly managed companies. Seems to me that $850 Billion toward the incentives you suggest would certainly be a wiser investment in our collective futures. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 73 Registered: 09-2007 |
J_Rod7, The thing is, the opposite of the measures that you describe is what is likely to happen. Here in Portugal, there is a lot of concern with the aging population due to the current below-replacement birth rate. The government hands out money for every kid produced. The only concern is that the economy must grow, the interior is getting desertificated (as if more births could solve the cause behind it), and in the future there won't be enough people to pay for our retirements. I find this situation preferable to one in which the population grows despite measures being taken to cause the opposite. However, it reflects the position of almost every country: economic growth is all that matters... David | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1237 Registered: 02-2000 |
Marcela, You can't count on the first world to do any thing of the sort. They are Politically Correct cowards. Immigration & Population control are not for the foreseeable future going to even be discussed in a logical manner. The News Media controls the debates & reporting by labeling anyone for either controls as racists. My Website | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 06-2008 |
J_rod7 Noble ideas & common sense are way down the agenda in countries where overpopulation is most critical. India, China, Latin America principally Brazil & Mexico, The Phillipines, various Middle Eastern countries such as Egypt. In these nations per capita income would not even be a fraction of the proposed "rewards". Most of these places have no social security so the traditional means of ensuring a survival to old age is to produce large families where children are expected to provide materially for parents who become too old to work. Then are also ingrained religious beliefs encouraging large families so "our side" can eventually prevail and overwhelm the "other side" through a sheer weight of numbers. It's dinosaur logic which exists in surprisingly widespread abundance throughout much of the worlds population. There are various statistics showing population growth is either steady, growing fractionally, or slightly declining in countries which could afford "rewards for restraint" measures, mainly industrialized western nations which have no population growth problem but do have societal problems revolving around greed which dictates perpetual growth. So these nations population growth is accomplished through immigration. It's a vicious cycle. Obey, produce, consume, die. The present worldwide agenda of those who actually control nations (not necessarily elected governments) dictates continual population growth to facilitate a perpetual expansion of building, production, trade, increasing the value of land, so everywhere tiny proportions of each nations population gain an advantage through manipulation of commerce & finance whilst the majority struggle. The only nation making tangible efforts at population control is China but instead of offering social security virtually all it's surplus is being used to acquire resources. Would the administrators of places such as Egypt, Phillipines, Brazil, India, Mexico suddenly announce a program encouraging small families ? Who can convince them ? | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 638 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hello David and Ramirez, Thank you for sharing your insights. Well considered. For those such countries, we will of course extend the final Birth_Stop Petition to their attention. The Thrust of the petition shall also indeed go before the United Nations. There, if common agreement can be reached, the intent of the petition should eventually become a Global Mandate. Of course, it is to be hoped that certain among "third-world" nations will act on this unilaterally, but we don't rely on such hopes. That is why this must go Global. Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 23 Registered: 06-2008 |
Drawing your attention to an official Figu document on population and some proposed measures to reduce & stabilize numbers over time. http://us.figu.org/portal/LinkClick.aspx?link=148&tabid=37&mid=415 As an overall scheme it's well thought out, detailed and concise but has some contentious proposals due to practical considerations. Also a great sense of humor in places The Measures. Basically the proposal states a female can register to have children at age 25, wait 3 years then start procreating 1-3 children at age 28 during a 7 year licensed period ending at 35 years age. However the catch here is the females day of birth ... odd or even day. This crucial factor determines whether she can start procreating at age 28 or 35. Start doing basic mathematics. Say she is born on a day which decrees she must wait till age 35 to begin a family. So by 36 years age she has her first child .... lets say a girl. If this child is also born on a proscribed wait 7 years day & cannot start procreating till age 35, does so and has her first child at age 36 it then becomes reality that for many (around 50%) females they must live to an age of 72 years to hold their first grandchild. I'm no expert so arrive at a rough estimate that probably 70% of the worlds population have a life expectancy of far less than 72 years. What about the males. The husband (grandfather) would need to survive to 75 years to ever see & hold his first grandchild. Drastic solutions might be needed but as a species there are going to be huge numbers of people who would never live to see their grandchildren & conversely children their grandparents. What psychlogical effect en masse will this have on the quality of family life & expectations. Grandma & Grandpa have an important role in society. The way this scheme looks set to operate many children will only ever visit their grandparents at a nursing home or cemetary. Doesn't seem a sensible way to gradually develop an enlightened, caring, loving civilization. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 233 Registered: 07-2008 |
Dear moderators and all members, Greetings. Member Jbarreto, in 'Prophecies and Predictions', thank you - what an entry, indeed! Rod, I salute your effort; we must by now indeed know what we have to do. Your example is being swiftly followed: this update has been sent to respectively the correspondence team of president Obama; to Mr. Gore and the WeMovement; to Earth Policy and Earth Institute; to the Mandela Foundation and Zeitgeist; to the head of the Department of Scientific Studies of the Dutch Socialist Party and to Mr. Markus of CNNreporter. We shall further consider with Jamesm, the ways of adding this development to our Worldwide Birth Control Petition. We received meanwhile the following update from Earth Policy: WHEN POPULATION GROWTH AND RESOURCE AVAILABILITY COLLIDE By Lester R. Brown. "As land and water become scarce, competition for these vital resources intensifies within societies, particularly between the wealthy and those who are poor and dispossessed. The shrinkage of life-supporting resources per person that comes with population growth is threatening to drop the living standards of millions of people below the survival level, leading to potentially unmanageable social tensions. Access to land is a prime source of social tension. Expanding world population has cut the grainland per person in half, from 0.23 hectares in 1950 to 0.10 hectares in 2007. One tenth of a hectare is half of a building lot in an affluent U.S. suburb. This ongoing shrinkage of grainland per person makes it difficult for the world’s farmers to feed the 70 million people added to world population each year. The shrinkage in cropland per person not only threatens livelihoods; in largely subsistence societies, it threatens survival itself. Tensions within communities begin to build as landholdings shrink below that needed for survival." http://www.earthpolicy.org/Books/Seg/PB3ch06_ss5.htm To Herr Moderator Badr, in relation to post 467; section 'Prophecies and Predictions', One may think, that this should be enough: Jbarreto: "Now...DO spread the word to the whole planet...!!!" Salome, Adam. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 651 Registered: 10-2007 |
******* Notice to All Members...> The time grows exceedingly short for effective action to halt the Exponential Population growth. Proposed: By the end of March, 2009 we should disseminate the Global Birth-Stop Petition to all Governments, Their Leaders, their Parliaments & Congresses & Councils, and to all Nations' United Nations Representatives. This Proposed action necessitated by recent developments, as given by the revealed discussion between Billy and Ptaah on August, 2008. We wish for a consensus among all members of this Forum who have already contributed ideas, time, and input into this Vital Petition. Please post your thoughts (YEA or NAY), arguments, agreements, or alternate proposals here. Thank You. That We All Come Here in Peace ******* You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 10-2008 |
All of these problems today , whether they be economic or sociological or otherwise , have their root in overpopulation . If the world at large is to be convinced of this , and I have confidence that many intelligent people will be able to discover the connection , then there is a chance that it can be brought to center stage . The "Octopus woman" of sixteen children has brought the situation , by her choices and actions into critical focus . It's for us to take it from here . By stark logical analysis , the attention of others can be grasped . MC | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 234 Registered: 07-2008 |
It is pretty time! Thanks for the initiative, Rod. Salome to all, Adam. | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 746 Registered: 10-2000 |
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7884138.stm Michael Horn | ||
Jamesm Member Post Number: 126 Registered: 02-2006 |
What exactly does the following two sentences imply? Billy. Yes, then something can be expected. Here, however, I have another question concerning the petroleum extraction: How long time can one still calculate until the petroleum extraction with respect to the worldwide reserves is exceeded? Ptaah It has already been exceeded for quite a long time, which, however, is concealed by the petroleum producing states and by groups of companies. Does this mean that the Earth's petroleum has been extracted 100% now and that the suppliers are now using their reserves? If so then it is absolutely catastrophic! I cannot see it meaning anything else. Therefore unless the government can magically pull another power source out of their hat to replace it then we are facing the "third world fire" within the next few years. James G. T. Moore Webmaster www.futureofmankind.co.uk | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 188 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear members, I have had the overpopulation petition translated to Farsi and had my sisters check it but neither of us are professional translator. However, I have just used a Farsi software. It is now uploadable as a document instead of a scanned picture and can be easily proofread, if necessary. IMO, it is done well enough except for some possible minor changes. I will upload it in member Jamesm webmaster; www.futureofmankind.co.uk For those interested, (such as member Behzad, Just let me know where you want it sent), I really don't see any reason for it to be uploaded here, but I will gladly do it if it helps anyone. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 235 Registered: 07-2008 |
Greetings in peace dear moderators and all friends, Jamesm, One way or another, it is clear that we are not doing that great... Marksmanr in 'Miscellaneous', Great work! The fan of 'Avatar' i am(sic), truly appreciated the magic of the animated world you created. Could you help us get our petition on Youtube? That would be greatly appreciated. Geehrte Vizemoderator Zhila and member Behzad, Thanks for your work and commitment. Further. A draft of the petition in Arabic - courtesy of Mr. William, a friend and comrade - is posted at 'Futureofmankind': http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Talk:Petition_For_Controlled_Birth_Stop It needs some thorough check up, proofreading and 'mise en page'. Any help would be highly appreciated. Salome, Adam. |
