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J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 589
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 12:19 am: | 
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Hi Zhila, Adam, and All, Greetings in Peace,
Someone told me recently (I think it was a nurse) that Welbutrin is an effective Smoking-cessation medication. Obviously this would have to be a prescription from an MD. I have a smoking Gene which demands to be satisfied. I've tried to quit several times, but went right back.
My question is: Does anyone have any experience with Welbutrin? Is it effective to stop Smoking?
Maybe the smoking Gene is tangled up with the aggression Gene
Salome
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You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 209
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 12:19 am: |
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Beste Empfehlung geehrte Moderators and all members,
I salute you, Kamerad Zhila.
You provided an exhaustive summary of the stand of affairs here. Your question and the feedbacks of Bob and other members triggered this discussion and the awareness that, if indeed overpopulation is but one of the consequences of that initial genetic manipulation, then it should be logical to combine both efforts: one effort to gain the temporary and very needed relief from one(overpopulation); the other to tackle the roots of the whole situation(DNA manipulation).
We may need to achieve the first one ( a stabilization of Earth population) in order to increase our chance of solving the original problem( the genetic manipulation), for Herr Meier made it clear, as stated in different prophecies, that overpopulation - if we were to fail to swiftly, rigorously and globally address it - could seal the fate of mankind, as we know it.
We would achieve both results - or at least build a solid foundation towards this restauration - provided we work together.
( i have submitted this idea to the German forum: http://forum.figu.org/cgi-bin/de/show.cgi?5/4870
We shall see what our Kameraden there make of it.)
And yes, dear Creational, the first week has been rather difficult - for i have been smoking for some 20 years; not a lot, 7-12 per day, but regularly - but i held on.
So far, so good, thus:-)
Comrade Corey in 'Overpopulation',
Interesting analysis; i also wonder what this forum thinks of it.
Salome,
Adam. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1288
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 03:14 am: |
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Hi Norm....
Very True!
I once mentioned concerning the Ageing Gene, here. And the gene is found and
scientists have tried to manipulated it from aging, which they manage to do,
but as soon as you stop the ageing process, the other 'strings' connected to
others related for the processing...stops working! Which, as result: will
eventually kill the individual; similar to your example.
So, indeed: scientist today do not yet have the correct/True knowledge to
manipulated the genes yet, as they should. As long as this is the case, the
above mentioned, will be the result.
Births Prevention IS The WAY! As Christian once mentioned: that NO ONE has the
right to bear children....IF the circumstances do NOT aloud this. Which I
fully agree with. And whether they like it or not.
Which some world governments acquire us to implement, back in the 70-80ties.
Only opposition were some Radical Feminist Movements, with their say: "We
determine what happens in our body".
But with the Global Overpopulation, their principle...is just a False
principle/philosophy of Illogic thinking processing and Misguiding the female
mass, in general, alas.
Thus: Gene Manipulation/Engineering....is: Out Of The Question, indeed!
Edward. |
Creational
Member
Post Number: 152
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 02:05 pm: |
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Dear Rod and Adam,
Hello and welcome back. Your post were certainly missed.
Well, I also had both the genetic tendency and the appropriate environment for smoking since the majority of my family members smoked. However, I was lucky and naturally ceased the desire at onset of my first pregnancy.Unfortunately, you Guys don’t have that chance/privilege.
I wish you guys the best of luck conquering this hurdle.
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 404
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 09:23 pm: |
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Regarding earth scientists finding the manipulated aging gene, Billy writes in Aus den Tiefen des Weltenraums...
Dies dürfte vermutlich noch in diesem Jahr (1996) sein, weil die Vorarbeiten dafür bereits im Jahre 1994 und 1995 geleistet wurden.
"This might still presumably be this year (1996) because the preliminary work was performed for it already in 1994 and 1995." p.314
So the fact that Billy moved it up one year from the same comment he made a year prior in 1995 leads me to believe that Billy is talking in general terms about the ongoing Human Genome Project (HGP) which was an international effort ongoing at the time beginning in 1990 whose goal was to complete the sequence of the human genome. And because Billy further says that the scientists will not know for a very time that they have bumped into it, I do not think that any of the speculative claims of finding the aging gene that has been offered up in public media to date is the correct one. And certainly not the Klotho gene which has increased the lifespan of mice.
Regards
Bob |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 406
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 20, 2009 - 11:42 pm: |
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The actual discovery or isolation of the different genes manipulated by the Sirians that are responsible for human aggression and a shortened lifespan (among other ills) will probably be the easiest part of the battle to eradicate them altogether. It will eventually take a world-wide effort involving all government agencies having jurisdictions at the time to co-operate with what will essentially be a eugenics program. If overpopulation is considered a taboo subject today, than eugenics is probably doubly so.
Eugenics is about creating a better world by improving the human gene pool. The word "eugenics" was coined by Sir Francis Galton in 1883, who defined it as "the study of all agencies under human control which can improve or impair the racial quality of future generations". In a historical and broader sense, eugenics can also be a study of "improving human genetic qualities."
But there is a social stigma attached to the word eugenics because of use of the term in the past associated with Adolf Hitler in racial profiling and because some present day proponents are associated with certain powers-that-be such as the Rockefeller Foundation. Because of a perceived political incorrectness, the term “social biology” is even used in some literatures in lieu of eugenics.
So there will need to be by necessity a different consciousness than exists today before such a program can even be considered. One such futuristic version portrayed in a negative light is the movie, Gattaca, where the main character,Vincent, who does not have the “correct genes” is referred to as a "borrowed ladder" (a reference to the ladder structure of an un-coiled DNA strand) or in harsher language, a de-gene-erate.
Below is an interesting site with various articles and essays which discuss the social issues and obstacles to eugenics:
http://www.eugenics.net/
"There are good reasons to reject eugenics, even if it’s scientifically valid. One is that the world is not ready to handle this research. It’s true the media have a kind of filter that is heavily biased in favor of equality, so pro-eugenics views are hardly ever heard. However, there’s a reason this filter exists: it’s more important for the majority of people to have a good life than it is for them to consider dangerous or volatile ideas."
And there is a book that can be downloaded for free: Future Human Evolution: Eugenics in the Twenty-First Century by John Glad at:
http://www.whatwemaybe.org/
“Eugenics views itself as the fourth leg of the chair of civilization, the other three being a) a thrifty expenditure of natural resources, b) mitigation of environmental pollution, and c) maintenance of a human population not exceeding the planet’s carrying capacity. Eugenics, which can be thought of as human ecology, is thus part and parcel of the environmental movement. Humanity is defined, not as the totality of the currently living population, but as the number of people who will potentially ever live. This is a book about the struggle for human rights and parental responsibility.”
I do not agree with all the views expressed at either site and probably neither will you as they are without the historic insight available in the Meier material. But since the chances are that the Meier material will still not be popularly accepted at the time such a program must begin, a certain tolerance of other's motives will have to prevail.
Regards
Bob |
Phenix
Member
Post Number: 210
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 05:14 am: |
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Thank you Bob; very useful data, indeed!
It means that we will have to work, to search, to scrutinize still harder.
Salome,
Adam. |
Creational
Member
Post Number: 156
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 12:11 am: |
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Dear Bob,
You have provided us with great and pertinent information in your post number 406, as usual. I am personally grateful.
You stated;
“If overpopulation is considered a taboo subject today, then eugenics is probably doubly so.”
I can’t agree more with this statement of yours. There is no doubt that the ripeness of earth societies is a huge determining factor in these issues. I will read the book; Future human evolution: Eugenics in the twenty-first century, and watch the movie Gattaca.
Pondering upon the two issues of overpopulation and eugenics (concerning the degenerate genes), it seems they overlap and may even become a part of one another in the future.
These two concerns of ours have nicely shown up as a couple of the legs of the chair of civilization in your interesting quote/anology. However, my suggestion for the other two hind/supporting legs would be the spiritual teaching and the creational/natural laws and commandments instead of the pollution and natural resources.
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1686
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2009 - 06:45 pm: |
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Regeneration of cells - CBS Cutting Edge
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxhi4Q8EDTU |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 593
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, January 23, 2009 - 07:31 pm: |
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Scott - WOW amazing technology. And to think, this is all still in the early stage of development. I would think this could be used to regenerate nerves, brain tissue, enlarge the pineal (increased psychic abilities), mending spinal chord injuries - quadriplegics to walk again. There are no limits to applications of this huge step in medical science. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
Salome
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You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Creational
Member
Post Number: 160
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 06:30 am: |
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Dear Scott,
The technology is just amazing but is this also the official start of artificial fighters as prophesied?
Thanks for sharing.
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Redbeard
Member
Post Number: 61
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 10:37 am: |
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It would seem if this technology was viable wouldn't the plejaren have regenerated billy's arm. I know there was a concern that many on this planet would have wanted to examine him and get the technology if that was to happen but I thought that that referred to the making of a robotic replacement arm.
Matthew |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 594
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 01:11 pm: |
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Hi Redbeard,
The Plejarens did offer to regenerate Billy's arm for him, but he refused the offer. At that time (mid 1970's) there was no other comparable technology on Earth, and the sudden appearance of a new arm could have led to too many problems for Billy to carry on with the mission (to bring the Truth of Creation into the people of Earth). I think that if it were offered again - now - his decision would probably remain the same, for his own reasons.
Salome
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You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1687
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 01:21 pm: |
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Hi Creational,
I think its too early to tell regarding the artificial fighters. Of course it also depends on how science uses these discoveries. Actually Michael Horn, sent me this link and asked me to post it....I guess you met my friend Cheryl during the Peace Meditation recently?
Regards
Scott |
Creational
Member
Post Number: 161
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 24, 2009 - 01:37 pm: |
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Hello dear Scott,
It sure is too early, but they have always abused the science thus the natural assumption.
Cheryl is a sweet heart. It was my pleasure to meet her and the rest of the group. You keep great company. Hopefully, we all meet soon.
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 218
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 25, 2009 - 01:19 am: |
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Interesting and highly promising development; thanks Scott, mister Horn.
As Kamerad Zhila pointed out, let's indeed hope it will be applied for the good of mankind and that the military would not have exclusive right of use and priority here - the way it often is with the best of our scientific achievements. Alas.
Salome,
Adam. |
Tjames
Member
Post Number: 281
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 10:38 pm: |
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Hello,
For those of you who are scientific savvy and not turned off by its associated jargon,
within this nature magazine shows the interaction between two key players in apoptosis
(programmed cell death) DBC1 interaction with Sir2 gene. please check out this study I ran across recently.
JUST GO TO PAGE 92 AFTER IT LOADS:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/12803669/Nature20080131
SALOME
Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona!
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J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 750
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:53 pm: |
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WOW Tjames, it does indeed look like science has at last found the aging gene. Now all they have to do is determine the best way to moderate or modify the specific protein at SIRT2.
GOOD find. I don't know HOW did you ever get through all that to find that piece of information. Search engine? Good job anyway, for certain. News we have all been waiting to see, in fulfillment of the prophecy.
Thank you.
Salome
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You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Syn
Member
Post Number: 165
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 05:23 am: |
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omg u834 1337 h4x.
so is this the part where we can live up to 400 years or so?
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority
-Gerald Massey
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Tjames
Member
Post Number: 282
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 09:39 am: |
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One can only speculate whether this is the interaction we are
looking for here.
There is a supplement called Resveratrol on the market which
affects Sirt1 and activates its expression.
There is debate to whether stimulating extra expression of Sirt1
or eliminating in all together would be the best for life extension.
You can read some of the debate at these two locations.
There are many other and better sources too!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resveratrol
scroll to see (SIRT1 SIR2)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calorie_restriction
Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona!
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J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 753
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 12:04 pm: |
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Ah, Tjames,
You have again brought our attention to some important news. Thank you.
I have been using a combination of many antioxidant for several years now, including resveratrol, in my own battle with cancer. The Cancers (two forms) are currently in remission. My appetite is good, and my body weight remains stable. This despite prior radiation and chemotherapy. Additionally, at age 62, I still have a full head of blonde hair, my skin is clear, and have a good level of energy. Strangers I meet say that I don't look my age, tell me I look 40 or 45. So a higher intake of many antioxidants, including resveratrol, would be a good idea for everyone.
The Finnish study would seem to be definitive, but there needs to be "double-blind" done for science to accept these findings.
Salome
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You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Tjames
Member
Post Number: 283
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 01:32 pm: |
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Yes, I just started taking Resveratrol
(All encapsulated together)
Knotweed Extract 100mg
Grape Seed Extract 50mg
Grape Skin Extract 25mg
Pine Bark Extract 25mg
I have read that oxidation can occur quite fast so I'm looking for a product which preserves it's "punch" so to speak.
Someone showed me this a week ago:
http://www.longevinex.com/
http://www.longevinex.com/resveratrol.asp?story=QA
Good reading, and I do think we may have stumbled upon something regarding our long-ago Sirian Overlords here. LOL
Salome
Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona!
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 154
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 10:51 pm: |
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Hi Rod ;
I have read some great things about maiitake d-fraction in regard to cancer . hey , does anyone get that get back to topic feeling ? i can almost see it now .....
MC |
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