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Historeed
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Post Number: 57
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 05:41 am: | 
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Joe,
This is the 5th edition of the Talmud Jmmanuel. The 4th edition was translated into English in 2007.
Matthew Reed
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Mahigitam
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Post Number: 598
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Monday, January 11, 2016 - 07:25 pm: |
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German - 1978, 1991, 2011
English - 1984, 1992, 1996, 2001, 2007
source:
http://tjresearch.info/discovery.htm
http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/p/archives.html
ufoprophet.blogspot.com
"..covers the media archives from 1970's about the most controversial Swiss UFO Contactee - 'Billy' Eduard Albert Meier."
billymeieruforesearch.com
"..researching and archiving both the pro & con evidence of the case."
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Joe
Member
Post Number: 398
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 12, 2016 - 09:37 am: |
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Blake_p, Matthew Reed and Mahigitam,
Thank you all for your replies.
I must admit I didn't know that there was not just one, but actually several English publications of the Talmud Jmmanuel. What I found surprising and also interesting is that when I had asked Christian Frehner about the 2011 edition of the Talmud Jmmanuel he had told me that it would be entirely different from previous editions. |
Nathanaelmallow
New member
Post Number: 1
Registered: 02-2015
| | Posted on Friday, January 15, 2016 - 07:50 pm: |
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Hi Joe,
That is correct there really is no comparison. The new version absolutely corrects all forms of inherent faith based specialness. |
Corey
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Post Number: 1029
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, January 16, 2016 - 01:29 am: |
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Joe,
There is what Nathanael said, and plus there is a wealth of information before you actually get into the Talmund, an overview of terrestrial Christianity, etc, from the FIGU perspective, that answers many questions, as well as nice, in-depth explanations by Billy, throughout the Talmund, similar to OM 2011 edition, it is a very good book that is worth every penny. Not to mention you get the Talmund of Jmmanuel, undedited, and distortion free, for the first time in terrestrial history, thanks to 300 Plejaren language scientists, not to mention AA.
Things I took away from the new TJ:
-Jmmanuel really taught consciousness-based evolution, as well as the Geisteslehre, that did not survive into any form of modern day Christianity.
-Jmmanuel really tried to help the women of his time to overcome cultural barriers. Modern day religion is still one of the biggest oppressors of women.
-Jmmanuel was a master of using hypnosis, as well as natural herbs, and salves, to ultimately get people to heal themselves, using the powers of their own consciousness. Flash forward 2000 years, and we have the distorted stories from the Bible, of Jesus using his powers "from God" to heal the sick and wounded.
-It is easy to see, how the people of his time, with limited rationality, and intellect, distorted Jmmanuel's words, that his father was an extraterrestrial, into words that unfortunately survive 2000 years later, that he (Jesus) was the son of (a) God. The people of Jmmanuel's time were simply not prepared to consider the ET equation.
-Ultimately, it is easy to see how things went wrong, and Jmmanuel's teaching morphed- distortedly to modern day Christianity, by people in power, who did not have the capacity to understand Geisteslehre, and by reading the book, you comprehend the inadequacy of both the Bible, as well as modern day Christianity, in a new light. You also develop a new appreciation, for the teaching Billy has set down in writing, which is way more, and in-depth that Jmmanuel's written teaching, penned by the last of seven's own hand, for all time, for modern day small groups, as well as all of our further descendants that will be born further down the line...Ultimately, a book is worth buying if it can aid your evolution, and my feeling is "yes", the new TJ would aid your evolution of your present lifetime, once the translation is available.
In a bulletin some years ago, Billy was asked by someone in Switzerland, how long will it take for Muslims to accept the new TJ, and Billy's response was 800 years.
Salome
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Joe
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Post Number: 403
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 16, 2016 - 04:40 am: |
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Nathanaelmallow and especially Corey,
Thank you both for your replies.
Corey,
The word "Geisteslehre" according to Google translate means spiritual teaching. But whether that's an accurate translation or not I certainly don't know.
You mentioned that Billy had said that it would take about another 800 years for the Muslims to accept the new Talmud Jmmanuel. But I think this is only based on probability calculations or something of the sort and not a look into the future. |
Corey
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Post Number: 1032
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, January 16, 2016 - 12:59 pm: |
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Joe,
Google translate gave you the accurate translation, and it is good it did not give you a plural:
Geisteslehre
Salome
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Kiwiseeker
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Post Number: 166
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 08:39 pm: |
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What I have found to be both useful & interesting is the Genealogy/Lineage chart compiled by Patrick McKnight from the 2011 TJ. e.g. former personalities of Billy's spirit form include:Socrates,Aristotle,Faust,Galileo,Mozart,Mendelssohn,Rasputin!What bugs me is the life span of the more recent Adam 11,062 - 9,027 BCE. Although he had an ET father,this life span at 2,035 years is huge;can anyone throw any light on this? Corey mentions that Jmmanuel tried to help the women of his time-it is interesting to note that there were 17 women disciples.I have the book and must make an effort to translate it-at least make a start!
Having been a physics teacher (now retired)it gives me great joy to learn about Galileo's spirit form.As they say,we never stop learning! |
Corey
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Post Number: 1064
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 03, 2016 - 09:37 pm: |
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Kiwiseeker,
The only light that I can shed on this is an answer from the Q & A (which answers questions about earlier, and inaccurate TJ editions), that indicates, even in Jmmanuel's time, descendants of Adam still lived to be very old:
July 31, 2003:
"Answer:
That's to show that Joseph was a direct descendant of Adam and of Semjasa. In historical terms this lineage is of more importance than that of Mary.
Here is an excerpt of a text about Jmmanuel that has not yet been published (uncorrected translation by CF, made somewhat in a hurry):
Jewish history has been written down by scribes who have put together a chronicle which makes no sense. In other words: Practically two thirds of it is pure fabrication and has been put together to an invented chronicle by 12 self-appointed prophets who went into the desert and wrote down 240 "books" during 40 days, which then were the foundation of the second Thora. (...)
The matter regarding Joseph is as follows: He was the son of a certain Jakob/Jacob, by trade a shipbuilder and a carpenter from Tiberia. Jmmanuel's father Joseph, also a shipbuilder and carpenter, derived from the Adam lineage which began about 13,500 years ago through his (Adam's) fathering by the extraterrestrial Semjasa. The human beings of the Adam lineage became very old, thus they, as a rule, procreated their offspring during their higher age, as an average when they were 169 years old. Up to Jmmanuel's father Joseph all descendants of the Adam lineage were without belief/faith and didn't belong to Jewry/Judaism. Their knowledge was based on the ancient traditional Spirit Teachings which led back to Nokodemion and which were transmitted by Semjasa's people. Therefore, they were not faithful ones, but knowledgeable ones. With a clear conscience one could call them as persons who did not belong to any denomination/religion. The same holds true for Jmmanuel who firstly was thought by his parents Joseph and Mary in the teachings, and later by his extraterrestrial "fathering-father" Gabriel, with whose help the young Jmmanuel went to India, but returned again sometimes later. Mother Mary was not of Jewish faith, too, and she also came from Tiberia and was the daughter of a family of traders. (...)
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note: some of this answer in the archives does not indicate that the ET Semjasa (father of Adam) belonged to the Nokodemion spirit-form, which was later updated by Billy in the TJ 2011 edition, and the Q & A on June 24th, 2012
-the good news is, if you do not get around to translating the new TJ, according to CF, as well as, Blake_P, the translation should be out by the end of this year (2016).
Salome
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mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Savio
Senior Member
Post Number: 793
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, March 05, 2016 - 03:39 am: |
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Dear all
The New (German/English) Talmud Jmmanuel is coming!
Please consider lending a helping hand in the printing cost 
http://ca.figu.org/FIGU_Shop.html
http://billybooks.org
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Kiwiseeker
Member
Post Number: 167
Registered: 08-2006
| | Posted on Friday, March 25, 2016 - 06:13 pm: |
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Thanks Corey for your reply above.Please excuse me for taking so long to acknowledge your reply-they have been busy times!2035 years seemed to be such a long time,compared with the Plejaren whose lifespan is about 1000 years.
Charles |
Corey
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Post Number: 1159
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2016 - 10:06 pm: |
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One of my favorite GOT passages, that compliments my favorite TJ 2011 edition passage. The GOT passage (*A) basically iterates that one must be forged in the negative, before one can unfold (evolve) into the positive, by adhering (adhering to the swinging waves of) to the laws and recommendations of Creation, thus learning from the negative, to turn these (-) learning experiences into positive knowledge, and wisdom:
10:51 "Truly, you cannot escape your unfolding (evolution) without making yourselves into guilty ones in yourselves and being unfair ones (irresponsible ones) and unrighteous ones (conscienceless ones), because it is through the laws and recommendations of the primal power (Creation) that the compulsion for unfolding (evolution) is given to you so that you may gather knowledge and wisdom."
10:51: "Wahrlich, ihr könnt euch eurer Entfaltung (Evolution) nicht entziehen, ohne dass ihr euch in euch selbst zu Schuldigen macht und Ungerechte (Verantwortungslose) und Unrechtschaffene (Gewissenlose) seid, denn durch die urkräftigen (schöpferischen) Gesetze und Gebote ist euch der Drang zur Entfaltung (Evolution) gegeben, auf dass ihr Wissen und Weisheit sammelt."
The TJ 2011 edition passage (*B): "Die Menschen sind in ihrem Geiste (Bewusstsein) und Wissen noch klein und unwissend, also mancher erst viel Schuld und Fehler auf sich nehmet, ehe er dadurch auffasset (lernt) und Wissen und Weisheit sammelet, so er dann die Wahrheit erkennet."
-In keeping with the forum rules, I will just do a summary in place of a direct translation, you'll just have to be patient for the official translation to be released from Blake_p's FIGU book, but however, the passage basically says: the human-being is small and unknowing in his spirit (consciousness) and knowledge, then many must first undertake much guilt and error, together through understanding and learning, and gathering knowledge and the essence of wisdom, so he can then recognize the truth.
This passage cleanly sums up the current terrestrial Earth human-being, who is slowly shedding centuries of false, erroneous, belief-based systems to enter the eon of knowledge, and wisdom (age of Aquarius), to become more wise about extraterrestrial life, population levels, how we use our militaries, space-travel culture, the sciences, and the fringe and border spiritual sciences. Our planet's citizens will have to learn much from the upcoming calamities and disasters, and learn the sometimes difficult path of the law of cause and effect, to become more wise about the world events that govern each of our horizons through the collective subconsciousness toward the future development of our planet. These negative to positive learning experiences will go down in the historical annals of our planet as destiny-shapers, and the essence of the essence of learning systematic planetary wisdom, even though, at times, great human deaths may result from learning the difficult lessons in store for terrestrial humanity. Great deaths are not necessary though, all we have to do is follow FIGU recommendations through a oneness of a planet, but for the authorities, and the masses, destiny-shapers without great calamity and disaster to learn from, and to unite us all, is presently very unlikely without honesty and truth from official governments validating the Meier case publicly for all Terrans (unlikely, but possible). Whatever path is chosen, it will pass through time, for better, or worse, as Earth-historical learning experiences that will make-up our collective planetary evolution as we make our way through to our future lifetimes (successor personalities), given the current state of world affairs, and the pending fourth global conflagration (Weltenbrand), an unnatural death could come calling on our doorstep any day, week, year, or decade, so take advantage of your free society to do your learning now, to help your successor personalities' inspirations of the subconsciousness from the storage-banks, as well as, fluidal forces (from your predecessor personalities' skeleton) to hopefully draw-back, and return to the future FIGU, respective FIGU national, and study groups, and studying all over again, to hopefully pass through these upcoming eons becoming more logical, knowledgeable, and wise. You are, after all Terran, Earth-bourne on a planet with the last of the line of 7, Billy Meier, the Earth prophet with the Nokodemion spirit-form, who puts down in writing, past, present, and future-time records (that are very, very old) of the creative-natural-laws and recommendations of Creation for any Earth-human-being to study, whether white, black, yellow, blue, or purple, and it is your birthright to study this material, in all present, and future lifetimes, as a casual foreordination for your consciousness (block), psyche, personality, and spirit-form, and the resulting thoughts and feelings from your arduous study are yours alone to shape your destiny.
Salome
*A = "Goblet of the Truth" verse 10:51. Copyright FIGU/BEAM/Published in Canada by the FIGU-Landesgruppe Canada, translated officially by FIGU Swiss.
*B = "Talmund of Jmmanuel" by Judas Ischkerioth 2011 edition verse 14:25 page 121 summary done unofficially by Corey for purposes of forum discussion. Copyright original German: FIGU/BEAM.
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 124
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 06:45 am: |
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Corey...I agree with your posts and your outlook on our lives. So thankful for the work of BEAM and as you've said, We will Evolve, either peacefully or kicking and screaming. Thankfully, this material will be available from now and well into the distance future. Peace and Love Everyone
MsMichelle
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 330
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, April 14, 2016 - 09:43 pm: |
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Thank you for your post Corey.
Good and bad - rather than bad being sin - is considered a matter of ignorance.
This teaching is, indeed, one of the common threats between the incarnations of Billy.
It was as well (the Buddha's and) Plato's thought.
Plato was the student and scribe of Socrates (who like Jmmanuel did not record his teachings) and the teacher of Aristotle - both previous incarnations of Billy.
Jmmanuel, too, explained human erring with ignorance during the process of learning rather than guilt.
Salome,
Bill |
Corey
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Post Number: 1161
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, April 16, 2016 - 01:00 am: |
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Bill: does the word "threats" from your post supposed to mean "threads"? If not, can you elaborate?
Salome
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Corey
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Post Number: 1193
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2016 - 05:06 pm: |
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What was the bread and wine that Jmmanual taught in his teaching the Geisteslehre during days/nights 2000 years ago? Arahat Athersata reveals what it was, and religion historically falsified this teaching, and twisted it around to suit their advantage, gain, and profit, which they use to subliminally put others under their control, so terrestrial humanity can be taken advantage of.
In reference to the nourishment of the spirit-form:
(*i) 179:127: "Diese Nahrung besteht in rein feinstofflich-energetishcer, kosmisch-electromagnetischer Form und lebt in allen Dingen."
179:127: "This nourishment consists of pure fine-fluidal-energetic, cosmic-electromagnetic form, and lives in all things."
179:128: "Jede Lebensform sendet aber auch aus ihrer inneren Geistform Energieströme aus, die von anderen inneren Geistform wieder aufgefangen und als Nahrung verarbeitet werden."
179:128: "Each life-form then also sends out of it's inner spirit-form energy-flows out, that become further collected and nourished from other processed inner spirit-forms."
179:129: "Daraus ergibt sich, dass alle existierenden Lebensformen durch ihre inneren Geistesformen einander verbunden sind und sich gegenseitig mit geistigen Energien versorgen."
179:129: "Hence, that all existing life-forms through their inner spirit-forms are connected to one another, and the spirit-forms are reciprocally supplied with spiritual energy.
179:130: "Dies besagt, dass jede Lebensform von anderen abhängig ist und im einzelnen wie auch in der Masse eine Einheit bildet."
179:130: "It can be said, that each life-form is dependent on one another, and constitutes a oneness in singularity, and also in the mass.
180:131: "Dies ist die brüderliche und schwesterliche Verbundenheit der Lebensformen"
180:131 "This is the brotherly and sisterly connectedness of the life-forms"
to be continued tomorrow. *i = "Arahat Athersata" page 179-180/verses 127-131 translated as honestly as possible (2 dictionaries/plus the FIGU dictionary) by Corey Müske for purposes of FIGU forum discussion/Copyright FIGU/BEAM.
Salome/Corey Müske
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 712
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, May 19, 2016 - 08:47 pm: |
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Thank you Corey. Looking foreword to "to be contined".
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Corey
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Post Number: 1195
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Friday, May 20, 2016 - 05:14 am: |
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Jmmanuel's bread and wine continued from yesterday (the answer is definitely not found in the Bible [*ii]):
180:132: "Nebst dieser Form von Nahrung bedarf der Geist aber noch einer anderen Nahrung, denn wie bei der materiellen Lebensform für die Erhaltung des Leibes Nahrung und Flüssigkeit vonnöten sind, so bedarf auch der Geist beider Faktoren, nur sich diese in geistig-energetischer Form ausdrücken."
180:132: "In addition to this form of nourishment needed by the spirit, it still then needs other nourishment, just as how the material life-form needs nourishment and fluids for the preservation of the body, the spirit also needs both factors, only these factors evince in spiritual-energetical form."
180:133: "So nun die eine Energieform aus anderen Lebensformen bezogen wird, wird die zweite Nahrungform aus der kosmisch-elektromagnetischen Ebene, in ebenfalls geistiger Energieform, bezogen, und die dritte Form durch die bewusstseinmässigen Denkvorgänge erzeugt, wodurch Wissen und Weisheit, Liebe, and viele andere Kräfte im Bewusstsein und im Geiste gebildet werden."
180:133: "So then an energy-form from out of other life-forms will be related, as will the second nourishment-form from the cosmic-electromagnetic level, likewise related in spiritual energy-form, and through the third form creates the consciousness-based thought-processes, through knowledge and the essence of wisdom, love, and many other forces are formed in the consciousness, and in the spirit."
180:134: "Dies sind die zweite und dritte Nahrungform des Geistes."
180:134: "these are the second and third nourishment-form of the spirit."
180:135: "Dies ist das Brot und Wein, von dem Jmmanuel gesprochen hat; die Nahrung des Geistes."
180:135: "these are the bread and wine, that Jmmanuel had spoken about; the nourishment of the spirit."
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For the last 2000 years, this teaching has been falsified to unrecognizeability, just as the teaching of the law of contrariness (a oneness in polar opposites, everything has a dual layer, and an opposite side to it which creates a balance of both energies [-/+]) has been falsified, and unrecognizable to the terrestrial humanity for the last 2000 years, lying dormant in the subconsciousness of many terrestrial human-beings, and unable to be registered in the consciousnesses of many terrestrials, until in 1975, when Billy started setting free the spiritual teaching (Geisteslehre) for any race of terrestrial human, whether white, black, red, yellow, blue, or brown because it is your Earth-bourne right to read, absorb, and learn how to develop a full-life from the teaching (note: the teaching is not plural), and the teaching also reveals planetary societal guidelines to follow, which are based in Creational laws and recommendations that have been the foundation stones for uncountable extraterrestrial civilizations (for some, after some mistakes of evolutionary proportions) for uncountable eons. Is Terra next?
*ii = Arahat Athersata" page 180/verses 132-135 translated as honestly as possible (2 dictionaries/plus the FIGU dictionary) by Corey Müske for purposes of FIGU forum discussion/Copyright FIGU/BEAM.
Salome/Corey Müske
If you are curious what the either the prophet Jmmanuel or Mohammed actually historically taught, purchase the book "Goblet of the Truth" and peacefully decide for yourself.
mental-block: consciousness, thoughts, feelings, psyche.
consciousness-block: character, personality, subconsciousness, ego, memory. "Teaching Script" page 124
ratio: intellect, rationality, sageness (true discernment), morals. "The Psyche" page 216
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Learnmore12
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Post Number: 54
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 08:12 am: |
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I am not sure where to post this, but this thread seems to fit. Maybe anybody who knows about this topic can answer my question.
According to the P's, the original text of Talmud Immanuel has been destroyed in the fire. Isn't it possible to go back in time and retrieve the lost Talmud or at least copy it before it got destroyed? Thanks. |
Christian
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Post Number: 234
Registered: 02-2000
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You cannot retrieve anything that has been destroyed in the past. What has happened has happened.
The new translation of the Talmud Jmmanuel (2011), made directly from Aramaic into German by the Plejaren language scientists, together with the support/input of the pure-spirit level Arahat Athersata, is identical in its content with what has been said/spoken and reported etc. by Jmmanuel etc. during those years in Palestine. The original scrolls are not needed anymore. Now we have the best and really authentic version possible, which even delivers Judas Ischkerioth's peculiar writing style (which, btw, will not [could not] be implemented into the official English translation which is currently being corrected by the FIGU-Landesgruppe Canada). |
Learnmore12
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Post Number: 55
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Tuesday, August 30, 2016 - 05:14 pm: |
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Thank you Christian. |
Savio
Senior Member
Post Number: 802
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 13, 2016 - 08:33 pm: |
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Dear all
Please be advised that the German/English version of the Talmud Jmmaneul 2011 is now published by FIGU - Landesgruppe Canada.
The book is now available at:-
http://ca.figu.org/figu-shop---talmud-jmmanuel.html
http://theyfly.com/new-translation-talmud-jmmanuel
http://billybooks.org/book/english/talmud-jmmanuel.php?lang=en
and it will also be available as of this coming week for those in our region of the world, from: http://au.figu.org/shop
Salome
Savio
(Message edited by indi on December 13, 2016)
http://billybooks.org
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Corey
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 10-2016
| | Posted on Thursday, December 22, 2016 - 09:25 pm: |
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For those that have the new TJ, my favorite verse which sums up the Earth's current state is 14:25, and 14:26 is pretty good as well, summing up why Judas Ischkerioth was called upon to set down in writing the Talmund, so the fruit could be harvested later.
Although the real harvest is in 8 centuries, we can individually enjoy small centralized harvests of consciousness-based evolution in the year 2016. 8 centuries will be a long time coming, finally doing away with all the Earth-based cults, and God-believers.
Salome/Corey Müske
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 225
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Friday, December 23, 2016 - 05:10 am: |
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What I like so far about the TJ....it is a documentary text... which is one of my favorites because it Chronicles everything step by step and the Truth from the beginning to the end. One thing I must agree... I am not a religious person therefore I'm having a hard time understanding these terms and concepts as it relates to religion. .. so maybe that's why it's hard for those who are strictly fanatically religious to banish these Concepts from their thoughts
MsMichelle
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