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    Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 272 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thnx Robyn. Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 273 Registered: 08-2010 |
Robyn, how do I find it (I had some difficulty)? Is it at the German site or English and what is the title of it? ...or how is the title written out so I can find it. Thnx. Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 98 Registered: 07-2006 |
Eddie, This was announced in the June 2011 FIGU-newsletter: New publications in the Aquarian-Verlag: Immanuel Talmud [3] http://shop.figu.org/product_info.php?products_id=444&osCsid=d3bcad00d7c346894db2c07697f7802e In 6.5-month collaboration with Ptaah, the level of Arhat Athersata and 16 Plejaren linguists newly translated two thousand year old writing that was discovered in 1963 in Jerusalem and the life and work of Jmmanuel (aka Jesus Christ) describes, at that time in order Jmmanuel written by one of his disciples. Expanded to include many important and sometimes entirely new explanations. Issue: 1975, 1978, 1991, 2011 380 pages, A5 sewn binding, -PatM | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 99 Registered: 07-2006 |
Sorry Eddie, two mis-spelling on my part Talmud Jmmanuel not Immanuel Talmud Arahat Athersata not Arhat Athersata by the way you can subscribe to the FIGU -Newsletter at: http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.figu.org%2Fch%2F on the bottom left is a box for signing up. also: in April 2011 FIGU-Newsletter the new Contact block 11 was announced http://shop.figu.org/product_info.php?products_id=443 And in August 2011 FIGU-Newsletter the new OM was announced http://shop.figu.org/product_info.php?products_id=449 -PatM | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 274 Registered: 08-2010 |
Thanks PatM! Really appreciate this. Salome, Eddie [7:-) | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 12-2009 |
Does the new TJ have explanations inserted into the content of the book like the OM 2011 edition has? Salome Corey | ||
Sarah Member Post Number: 122 Registered: 10-2011 |
Just so I can know, its the Talmud Jmmanuel the same thing as the OM? --------- Hi Sarah the Talmud Jmmanuel and the OM are two different books as the names imply. The OM is a much larger volume, containing the ancient teachings of the truth from the prophets, whereas the TJ is specifically the account of a portion of Jmmanuel's teaching and some of his activities, which of course is in line with the ancient teachings from the prophets, but limited to what was imparted by Jmmanuel. Robyn (Message edited by indi on January 02, 2012) | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 11-2008 |
Is the following really mentioned in the Talmud of Jmmanuel? I mean does it really say "Amen" at the end? The reason why I'm asking is because the reviewer which in this case would be Robert M. Price says that Jmmanuel in the Talmud Jmmanuel says “Do not suppose that prayer is necessary, because you will also receive without prayer if your spirit is trained through wisdom” (21:15). And yet Jmmanuel prescribes a prayer: “My spirit, you are omnipotent. Your name be holy. Let your kingdom incarnate itself in me. Let your power unfold itself within me, on Earth and in the heavens. Give me today my daily bread, so that I may recognize my guilt and the truth. And lead me not into temptation and confusion, but deliver me from error. For yours is the kingdom within me and the power and the knowledge forever. Amen” (6:12-18) Source: http://www.robertmprice.mindvendor.com/reviews/meier_jmmanuel.htm | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 763 Registered: 10-2008 |
This webpage that Joe gave is a harsh criticism of the TJ , just to let everyone know . The web-genius has an opinion , and several orifices to voice them from . | ||
Sarah Member Post Number: 202 Registered: 10-2011 |
I just finished this version of the Talmud Jmmanuel. Does the fifth version have as many god references? I get confused sometimes when Jmmanuel says they still owe god veneration. I thought Billy said we only owed veneration to creation, if we owed veneration to anything? | ||
Patm Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 07-2006 |
Sarah, There is a newer completely corrected version (currently only in German)by Billy.}} following is a short excerpt from the Talmud Jmmanuel (2011 Version) - For Attention -page LV The translator of the Talmud Jmmanuel, Greek Orthodox lay priest Isa Rashid, for the term 'JHWH' throughout used the term 'God' because he apparently was not orientated about not as well as the Hebrews what 'JHWH' really meant. Moreover, it resulted in my profound new revision in 2010, in cooperation with the Plejaren and the Arahat Athersata level that Isa Rashid had used the old traditional concepts of Jews and Christians, as he had already translated them wrong from the ancient scriptures.... Der Übersetzer des 'Talmud Jmmanuel', der griechisch-orthodoxe Laienpriester Isa Rashid, verwendete für den Begriff 'JHWH' durchwegs die Bezeichnung 'Gott', weil er offenbar nicht darüber orientiert war, wie auch die Hebräer nicht, was 'JHWH' wirklich bedeutet. Ausserdem, so ergab sich bei meiner gründlichen Neuüberarbeitung im Jahr 2010, in Zusammenarbeit mit den Plejaren und der Ebene Arahat Athersata, dass Isa Rashid die altherkömmlichen Begriffe der Juden und Christen benutzt hatte, wie diese schon von ihnen aus den alten Schriften falsch übersetzt wurden.... This is an Unauthorized/Unapproved translation by me and may contain errors. Salome PatM | ||
Eddieamartin Member Post Number: 407 Registered: 08-2010 |
ven·er·a·tion noun \ËŒve-nÉ™-ˈrÄ-shÉ™n\ 1: respect or awe inspired by the dignity, wisdom, dedication, or talent of a person. [7:-) | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 240 Registered: 12-2009 |
Hi all, The new TJ has explanations written right into the Kapitel, similiar to the OM 2011 edition and it's printed in the same fonts as the OM 2011 edition and the Kelch der Wahrheit. The LXXXIV pages of forward information are easy to read, and there is even a picture of Judas Ischkerioth drawn by Ptaah. The Kapitels themselves are easy to read thus far (I'm not too far into it yet) with the verbs having an "est" or "et" added to each one, stemming from the writing of Judas Ischkerioth, it's like a weird "DU" form, which can make looking up the definitions of verbs more challenging because you have to change the verb back to it's original form to look it up. The Kapitels themselves are 282 pages, including the end word and explanation (Schlusswort und Erklärung). In thumbing through it, there seems to be some pretty lengthy explanations, with Billy's modern insight on the historical text. Thus far I'm impressed, and glad I did not read the earlier versions, instead finding this one across my path. I will post more when I'm finished reading it, Salome Corey OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker. | ||
Blake_p New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 07-2012 |
So i have the fourth edition of the TJ. Seems as if i have the copy that was published in 2007,i think that was the newest version,written by Billy/(Judas Ischarioth)and helped by Ahrat Athersata for completion. so apparently there is a newer version from reading above,is that only order-able through the figu website? Does that mean that all the translations were still not exactly correct, and or is there more included in the newer version? Man i've always had strong curiosity about Judas,and what he looks like,so i look forward to seeing that illustration by Ptaah. Jmmanuel is kinda one of my heroes,so to speak, throughout all this info, i read the other in 3 hours when i got it so look forward to somebody pointing me in the right direction so i can get busy on the next. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 241 Registered: 12-2009 |
Blake_p, Yes there is a new version, Isa Rashid translated the TJ from the old Aramaic scrolls with religious influences from being a lay priest that changed the writing and content of the translation. The new version was helped written over the course of 6.5 months with the help of Ptaah, Arahat Athersata, and 16 Plejaren lanquage scientists, without Isa's religious content and back to the original form. The book is only available in German and from FIGU Switzerland, I heard there is a translation coming out though by FIGU Australia or somebody, but that could take a couple of years honestly. Salome Corey OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker. | ||
Blake_p Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 07-2012 |
Corey, Good lookin on the reply, yea i knew that Isa Rashid had his translations influenced through his religious background but i thought that it had been cleared up already by Billy when that edition was released. Yea i would prefer to read them in german considering the impulsed based evolutionary code but sadly i'm not versed in german at all yet. It's hard when you've read everything you can that's in english, kinda makes you feel stagnate, but that's all part of the process to get the most out of everything, which means learning to read in german. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 243 Registered: 12-2009 |
Corey, Yeah no problem. I know when I started, I read "And Yet They Fly" so many times the pages fell out, so then I learned German so I could read the rest of the books. Salome Corey OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker. | ||
Treason Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2012 |
Guys, I am on the fence about trusting Billy Meier. I have come across these loaded questions from sites that claim Billy is liar. I want to hear from your (or FIGU's) response to them: 1) where is EXACT location of cave? is there anything other than Billy's account that support the genuineness of the alleged scrolls? 2) Who really is Rashid? Where was he ordained? Under which bishop did he serve as a priest? The churches keep records which should verify at least that he existed. 3) At which university did Rashid learn Aramaic? Universities keep records, so we should be able to verify not only that Rashid existed but also what subjects he studied. 4) How did Rashid get to know Eduard Meier? Why did he select Meier and no-one else as his coworker in the manuscript publishing? 5) Since Billy had the scrolls for 11 years, why did he not make a single photograph or xerox copy of them? 6) MOST IMPORTANTLY, How did "the church" and the Jews find out about his manuscript find? How could the "church" or the Jews know that the scrolls contained material that would be damaging to their religions, when not an iota of the material had been published and the only two people who had seen the scrolls were Rashid and Meier? | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 249 Registered: 12-2009 |
His real name was Marcus Isa Rashid. 5) I'm not sure Billy had the scrolls for 11 years, I was under the impression they were in Isa Rashid's possession so he could get help translating them with help from Prince Roger de Polatzky who was fluent in German. 6) The church found out about the scrolls because Isa was running his mouth in Christian circles about the scrolls. The Jews really attacked that refugee camp in Iraq the day Ptaah gives as Isa's murder and remember Billy lost more then the scrolls that day, he lost a friend. Read the same bulletin we all did if you want to know more, there was a Gaiaguys translation made btw. I barely see it as worth my time to argue with a skeptic who can't read German nor do his own investigation. As far as being on the fence, the truth doesn't chase after you, on the contrary it's you who has to search after it. If you would rather believe that the Bible, written by homicidal maniacs, with all of it's confused teaching is the absolute source of truth over the alternative that the teachings of a historical misnamed prophet that consisted of laws and recommendations of Creation and consciousness evolution, that the Jews destroyed and murdered the only proof that existed so religion could continue to subjugate humankind, then be my guest. It'll be your devolution. Salome Corey OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker. | ||
Treason Member Post Number: 10 Registered: 08-2012 |
Corey I am atheist. How presumptious and arrogant. I hope many FIGU members are not likes of you because you sound no better than theists you seem to so despise. I couldnt find answers to these questions. Thats why I post them here. Googling these questions got me nothing and i dont know what bulletin you're referring to. | ||
Corey Member Post Number: 255 Registered: 12-2009 |
And in turn I hope many FIGU members aren't like you and do their own research once in awhile. It's actually presumptive and arrogant for you to expect to be spoon fed the whole way especially for someone that brags about following those sites you visit that are not based on the truth. The Bulletin is FIGU Bulletin 75 pages 21-25. This information is in the archives and there was even a PDF of the translation @ the futureofmankind site so I know you didn't look very hard among the materials themselves, but went to google instead. The answer to your question 1) is Quetzal destroyed the grave hole because he wanted to stop a new cult from forming, after a friend of FIGU's thought he found it. That is also in the contact reports at the FOM site. Your atheism doesn't impress me either, most atheists that I know are arrogant because they assume they know the truth because they are not religious but still suffer from thousands of years of negative religious programming built up over many incarnations and some even proudly follow Darwinism that is also based on a scientifically corroborated malicious lie. Those that study Billy's material are trying to change that negative religious programming inside ourselves, unlearn it if you will (simply being atheist doesn't do it). I saw your posting on the other threads on why doesn't Billy just release some awe inspiring evidence that no one can dispute, the answer to that question as to why the truth must stay into small groups is answered in Goblet of Truth 22:45! Didn't you ever wonder why they call it the silent revolution of truth? Salome Corey OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker. | ||
Treason Member Post Number: 12 Registered: 08-2012 |
(1) I disagree that sites that expose Billy Meier as hoax is false; its your opinion whether FIGU is based on truth, just as its other people's opinion if their religion is truth (2) I am not well acquinted with FIGU resourcces, I had no idea where to start, so I googled. You assumed it was becasue I was lazy (3) I am not impressed with your contemptous comments. Your opinion that you hold superior knowledge and other people are stupid correspond with some arrogant atheists I know. (4) Why must truth be silent? Let it reveal itself fully so it benefits entire world. Show undisputed evidence! Truth should appear in light (5) GoT 22:45 google translation is "So it is in the modern era yet given that the gods and idol worshipers and the cardinality religions do all we can so that the knowledge of the doctrine of the true prophets, the Teaching of truth, the teaching of spirit, the teaching of life, not the <goblet> can be passed on indefinitely, but taught only in tight circles, even only where their true union man on his own initiative and in their own interests at the Truth to you about the religions and their servants of the gods and idols and liberate their you can turn to the effective creational truth." It doesnt tell you WHY truth must be restricted to small groups. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 207 Registered: 11-2008 |
Treason, At first it starts with small groups and then it is supposed to expand from there. Here is an excerpt from "What is announced comprehensively for the third millennium prophetically and predictively" Truly, it will take about another 800 years before you human beings of Earth finally wake up and until the majority of you slowly make an effort to give the creational truth and the laws of Creation and its recommendations their right. Only after this time will the ‹Goblet of Truth› or the ‹teaching of the true prophets› as well as the ‹spiritual teaching› and the ‹teaching of truth›, the ‹teaching of spirit›, the ‹teaching of life› slowly begin to bear fruit. End of Excerpt. Source: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Talk:What_is_announced_comprehensively_for_the_third_millennium_prophetically_and_predictively |
