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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 562
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 09:15 am: | 
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> Treason, You are entitled to your opinions. Evidence will always be disputed by someone or other. When you do the necessary, self-responsible, thorough thinking through of the information you will come to your own conclusions.
If you really want the closest thing to indisputable evidence, you will find 22 minutes of it in our new film, "as the time fulfills".
Then you can be the one to try to dispute it, which you may enjoy trying to do.
As for "it" not telling you "WHY" this or that, again, you will have to study and think it through to discover the answer…for yourself.
But please do review the evidence in the film. |
Corey
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Post Number: 258
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 09:12 am: |
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(4) That's how you see it because you appear to think logically, the rest of mankind doesn't they are blind deaf and dumb to the spirit teaching. Both direct landing possibilities were cancelled (one in the 70's and one in the year 2000) because of the US government was unwilling to share the truth about religion to the masses, and the other because of US government intrigues. If either one of those had happened this would be a different world indeed. We could have been where the Plejaren are it in 300 short years.
(5) has to do with the danger presented by religion, to those that follow the truth. Other GOT passages dictate not to risk your life for the truth but in those circumstances it would be better to stay silent, I mean look what happened to Rashid, so it's better to stay in small groups because of the opposing religion. And unfortunately the truth is going to be suppressed for a very long time. It was the closest thing to an answer I had that you could read for yourself (that's not in German). If your interested, there is a already translated version of the GOT on the FIGU Canada website, Good luck on your quest. 
Salome
Corey
OM 32:207 Was der Regen für die Wüste ist, das ist das Wissen und die Wahrheit für den Suchenden. What the rain is for the desert, is what the knowledge and the truth is for the seeker.
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Derrick
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Post Number: 110
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 05:10 pm: |
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Hi everyone!
It is known/taught that Mary Magdaline was a prostitute. Is there any truth to this?
I have read that she was a friend of Jmmanuel in the Talmud.
what kind of a person was she?
Salome my friends
Derrick |
Corey
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Post Number: 262
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 03:38 pm: |
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Derrick,
I will try to answer your question as best as I can. As far as I am in the new TJ (pg. 158) Mary Magdelene is mentioned a few times. She was one of his followers and she possessed the intellect and rationality to learn the truth from Jmmanuel in ancient Israel, a land where cult religion was predominant. There was no mention of her being a prostitue, I assume that is a alteration, fabrication, and distortion by those who wrote the bible. The same crap as saying that Jmmanuel was a "god's son" because the people knew he was the son of an extraterrestrial which later became distorted and twisted that Jesus was the "son of God".
Besides, Jmmanuel would have viewed prostitution as a very negative thing and never would have accepted her or taught her anything. Maybe she is mentioned more later in the book, I still have 122 pages to go.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 426
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 03:06 pm: |
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Hello Derrick and Corey,
If I have understood the following sources correctly: In the Kelch chapter 21 verse 17 indicates, that if Mary were to have been a prostitute it would not have prevented her from being taught the teaching had she sought it (which she obviously did). These verses are further corroborated in the TJ chapter 9 verses 10-12 if I'm not mistaken.
Salome,
Eddie
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Corey
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Post Number: 264
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 06:13 pm: |
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Eddie,
I hear what your saying about the contrariness and changing towards the positive, but there are literally tons of passages in OM (which predates Jmmanuel) that say negative things about prostitution, I can say that Billy doesn't see it very highly and I'm assuming the same would go for Jmmanuel but I guess that doesn't mean Jmmanuel wouldn't have accepted her.
As far as I am in the new TJ there was no mention thus far of Mary being a prostitute but I won't know 100% until I get to the end. Maybe somebody that has finished it could answer the question.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Corey
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Post Number: 265
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 12, 2012 - 03:49 pm: |
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Derrick,
Here is a question to Billy answered April 03, 2010:
question: What was the occupation of Mary Magdalene before she joined the disciples and what happened to her after the so called resurrection ?
Also you might wish to elaborate on whether she was as indicated in some of the Dead Sea Scrolls more knowledgeable, intellectually flexible and generally grasping the hidden meaning of Jmannuel's teachings with greater accuracy than the other apostles.
Thankyou and ..... congratulations on your recent 73rd Happy Birthday.
Cheers.
Ramirez
answer: Billy doesn't know.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 747
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 02:19 am: |
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Corey,
According to Meier himself he was Jmannuel who lived through the events first person.
Then with Asket and another person who would bear witness if not for a vow of silence (plus the fact that he has since died) he was transported back to the time of Jmannuel via the use of time travel technology where with his own senses he would have observed those about JC and his companions including Maria Magdalena.
Whilst he might sometimes make out to be not exactly the sharpest tool in the kit it's hard to get things past Mr Meier's observations when he is not under pressure or distracted as he often was in the early part of getting Figu set up in the middle to late 70s and early 80s so just from that ..... he would possess various information about that issue though for several reasons is reluctant to divulge it.
The person who was Maria Magdalena might be alive today though occupying another body and is aware of her past incarnation.
It would create many unwanted problems to publicly declare that Maria Magdalena was among the most knowledgeable and consciously developed persons in his group of 29 disciples .... including 17 females.
A certain religion whose claim is that a male figure called P is "head of christ's church" would be surely upset because for one JC never intended for there to be a church, priests, temples and the entire dilapidated rambling incoherent charade and lie which nowdays and for 1700 years has passed itself off as the word of skyman and secondly to propose that a female was among the leading disciples is another "controversial" issue ..... how many female priests are there in the roman church ? and why aren't there any ?
Maybe "i cant say" would have been a more appropriate answer.
For religion it's black and white ..... not shades of grey though as persons develop and evolve distinguishing the difference becomes more natural, logical and within reach however we as a species occupying this planet are presently far from that stage on an overall average so to reveal some things openly from the mouth of the man himself might attract more problems than it's currently worth by doing so.
However all that is .... just my opinion.
Cheers.
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Derrick
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Post Number: 111
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, September 13, 2012 - 09:38 am: |
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Thanks allot for your efforts you guys!
Salome
Derrick |
Edward
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Post Number: 2520
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, September 17, 2012 - 02:59 am: |
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Hi Corey....
Yeah, it is commonly known, in certain Biblical circles that Mary was a
prostitute; whom was converted by Jesus/Jmmanuel; at least, that was how I
was taught, in the past.
Some confirmation would indeed be in its place, yes.
Jmmanuel mentioning, in a sense, that, prostitutes would understand the
Teachings more than those Cult Religious individuals... or something, did
kinda get me to ponder. Perhaps, due to those prostitutes being more OPEN in
MIND, in the ways they live and in their doings, and are not that Narrow
Minded...as the already Indoctrinated Cult Religious followers....(?)
Edward. |
Melissa
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Post Number: 35
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Monday, September 17, 2012 - 04:00 am: |
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Welcome Derrick,
It is nice to see you on the forum!
-Melissa
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Corey
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Post Number: 270
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 10:07 am: |
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Derrick, Edward and all,
I just finished the new TJ and there was definitely no mention of Maria Magdalena (not Mary) as being a former prostitute, and all it really said was that she was a confidant (Vertraute) of Billy's and that she was one of Jmmanuel's disciples, who was there during the last meal and at the grave hole with the other disciples and Jmmanuel's mother when the extraterrestrial came to visit an unconscious Jmmanuel.
That could mean one of two things:
1) that she was a former prostitute like is taught by modern religion and Judas Ischkerioth failed to mention it for an unknown reason.
2) that the whole idea of her being a former prostitute is a distortion of the truth.
I tend to think it's number 2) because already two years after the "cruxifiction", while Jmmanuel was living in Damascus, Syria (before he went to India), the disciples were already falsifying and distorting Jmmanuel's teachings adding the god's son crap and saying that was the same as Creation, which Jmmanuel was informed of by his brother Thomas and Judas Ischkerioth personally. With that and all of the misunderstandings and distortions by all of the high priests, high council of Israel, scribes, and the like that followed in the ensuing years unfortunately it's easy to see why we are left with the Christian religion cult in it's early and present forms (the council of Nicea didn't help either- it's my understanding that's where the virgin birth distortion started).
Since Billy already said he doesn't know what her profession was, until our future descendants invent time travel we may never know if it was number 1) or 2), and maybe in the big picture it really doesn't matter.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 753
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 12:02 pm: |
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Polarize society by creating wedges.
Talking snake tempts a woman who betrays a man .....
Man saves bad girl who repents .....
Stone adultresses .....
Women should remain silent in the temple .....
That's christianity and it's ideas about half the population where yes for sure at the Council Of Nicea in 325 the emperor Constantine being a figure reminiscent of some recent politicians directed that what appears today as the babble became the official babble of the roman skyman racket by cutting and pasting plus editing and selectively removing or adding what seemed to overall make up the best sounding story for those in power to utilize.
It's no more complicated than that.
If you can somehow get them fighting among themselves as a collective they are easier to control. Worked in Atlantis so why wont it work in rome ? .... it has.
Cheers.
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Joe
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Post Number: 214
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 12:47 pm: |
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Corey,
Could you please, if possible, tell me what differences there are between the TJ 2011 and the 2001 version that is in English? |
Corey
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Post Number: 271
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 05:49 pm: |
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Joe,
I would love to answer your question but unfortunately I have never read the 2001 English version so I have nothing to compare the TJ 2011 version to (the TJ 2011 version was my first one I read). Hopefully someone that has read them both will do a comparison for you and post it soon. Sorry .
Hopefully someone will do a translation of the TJ 2011 soon, it really opened my eyes and I was always curious about Jmmanuals teaching beyond the GOT and Billy's explanations came in handy to explain the historical document. I can see it clearing up previous misunderstandings. I highly recommend the book to other fellow students.
One of the most interesting things I learned was when Jmmanuel understudied under Gabriel in Hyperborea (which was in Florida when Florida was where Greenland currently is) for 40 days and 40 nights, he met two Baawi peoples. He said the whites of their eyes were red not like ours. The other thing I wanted to mention was Jmmanuel told Pontius Pilate (Pilatus) before the cruxifiction that he travelled in many lands and even lived in India for a long time (Kapitel 29:24) I never knew that I always that that was after the cruxifiction not before and after.
One of my favorite passages is 14:25- "Die Menschen sind in ihrem Geiste (Bewusstsein) und Wissen noch klein und unwissend, also mancher erst viel Schuld und Fehler auf sich nehmet, ehe er dadurch auffasset (lernt) und Wissen und Weisheit sammelet, so er dann die Wahrheit erkennet." -Jmmanuel
rough unofficial translation: the human is in his spirit (consciousness) small and unknowledgeable, he must first undertake much guilt and error, and join together through comprehending (learning) and gathering knowledge and wisdom, so he can know the truth. -Jmmanuel
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Corey
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Post Number: 272
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 07:01 pm: |
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Correction: in the 3rd paragraph my post is supposed to read 'I never knew that I always thought that was just after the cruxifiction not before and after'
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Corey
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Post Number: 273
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 18, 2012 - 07:17 pm: |
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Ramirez,
Good points there. I heard there are still remnants of the original vote tallies from the council of Nicea at the Vatican you can see if you visit, not that I would ever visit. It makes me wonder if the Pope and all of his vassels know the Christian religion and the Bible is the greatest lie in all of Earth history and they still perpetuate the lies and deception for their own ulterior motives.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 754
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 05:07 am: |
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Hi Corey,
They have how many more holy relics stashed in the vatican archives and museums ??? though throughout the past 1700 years there's been a procession of halfwit relics making out they are the next closest and most sacred thing to skyman himself and surprisingly so many continue to believe it ..... oh well what can you do 
Some gotta somehow have an inkling it's all a fraud unless they're such absolute jackasses that considering that angle eludes them and from a few conversations with priests over the years they on average seem to fall into two basic categories .... jackasses meaning complete idiots or frauds - deceivers - liars knowingly taking part in a holy pantomine as part of their chosen career meaning they're aware it's a fraud but go along with the game due to a shower of ego based fringe benefits being part of the charade somewhat reminiscent of persons in authority of different types at various levels who find the allure of power behind a facade simply too alluring to abandon.
If you openly challenge the beliefs of a priest by maybe pointing out biblical contradictions watch for the rising anger and hardly restrained almost violent response when it becomes apparent you haven't bought into their version of the game. They like to consider themselves masters of deception so being "found out" can be a shock because after all the congregation are the sheep and they are skyman's shepherds .... or so they imagine.
I think it falls somewhat along the lines of company loyalty because in essence religion is a business .... or racket depending on perspective.
However with real rackets it's usually booze, love for sale, drugs or gambling where at least the client actually gets something tangible ..... booze, girls, drugs or a chance to maybe occasionally win something real whilst with the sky racket all they get is an illusion and ride backwards on the snake instead of a gradual step forward via the ladder because ..... geezus has done it all for you, believe and you will be saved.
That's where religion does it's damage .... instilling and perpetuating the fantasy that beliefs are the way towards salvation .... whatever the heck that's supposed to be.
Cheers.
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Derrick
Member
Post Number: 116
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 11:21 am: |
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Hi Melissa and all! Good to see ya here!
Very good discussion here.
Corey, I would go with:
2) that the whole idea of her being a former prostitute is a distortion of the truth.
And even if she was a prostitute, that was her own personal business and I'm sure she would have corrected herself learning and knowing the creational teachings. Just in the news this morning... the media has released part of a manuscript (Gnostic scripture) where Jesus (Jmmanuel) refers to his wife. Of course this would have to be in India correct? I'm not sure if they have a specific date on it or not but it's only a few inches in diameter. It reads..." my wife .....and is cut off. Heh. The're still trying to piece it all together with tiny fragments of distortions created by the Gnostics and the Essene's
whith whom we all know were allready falsifying the teachings while Jmmanuel was alive.
If anyone here finds out about a carbon date on this piece of manuscript PLEASE let me know.
Salome
Derrick |
Corey
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Post Number: 275
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 06:23 pm: |
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Derrick,
Yes good discussion.
This article says it's from the 4th century and written in Coptic script from the Egyptian Coptic sect: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-09-18/jesus-wife-mentioned-on-fourth-century-papyrus-fragment.html
Where they get the 4th century date from I don't know it could be based on the style of writing. No mention of a carbon date. The Coptics are a sect like any other so your right it's probably founded from some distortion, but it least it's got people thinking and maybe people will get over that celebasy crap!
The new TJ mentions Jmmanuel married at the age of 45 to a young and pretty wife who bore him many children and the settled in today's Srinagar in Kashmir/India. New TJ 26:29-44 indicates Jmmanuel confronted a man who had dealings with Judas Ishariot (betrayer of Jmmanuel) named Paulus who would set the groundstone for the uninsightful and irrational sects due false name of "Christos" for Jmmanuel and other confusion and distortions of the teaching.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Corey
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Post Number: 276
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 06:29 pm: |
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correction: the man's name was Saulus, and Jmmanuel said he should call him Paulus for changing his name to "Jesus Christos" and "Jesus the annointed one." So you can see how early that started it was almost right away.
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Corey
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Post Number: 277
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 06:55 pm: |
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Ramirez,
Yeah it's too bad so many of the world's people are so misled and it will be that way for so long yet. Billy says in the book "God-delusion and God-delusion Insanity" and 4/5 of earth humanity still suffer from God delusion Insanity, in the future as we set up more of a space travelling culture, that will clash with religion that is so unsatisfying for many people as we make new discoveries, cognitions, and realizations, and will continue that way until the 800 years is over (from today's time) and people finally recognize the truth.
Religions and sects were forseen to get worse during this early part of the Age of Aquarius (185 years of changing time- contact 9), Hopefully things will get better after 2029 11:20 MEZ time, so unfortunately we will just have to live with it and do our best to get by as we make our studies and apply the teaching to our daily life.
Salome
Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Joe
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Post Number: 215
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 19, 2012 - 11:31 pm: |
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Corey,
"Religions and sects were forseen to get worse during this early part of the Age of Aquarius (185 years of changing time- contact 9), Hopefully things will get better after 2029 11:20 MEZ time, so unfortunately we will just have to live with it and do our best to get by as we make our studies and apply the teaching to our daily life."
If I may ask, why 2029? Are you referring to the Red Meteor? |
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