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Linda
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Posted on Sunday, October 01, 2017 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Very cool stuff. It amazes me the people you have met.
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Kenneth
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Posted on Thursday, October 05, 2017 - 12:06 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Linda,

You said, “It amazes me the people you have met.”

Through a lot of work, studying, concentration and, “Might of the Thought”, I became very knowledgeable in electrical/electronic-mechanical engineering, this opened the doors leading into the aerospace industry and then into Aerospace Civil Engineering.

My point is, this is an industry that attracts dreamers, thinkers, inventors and doers; those that also think outside the box, if you will. This company employed many former astronauts, my boss was one of them. These highly effective human beings learned and understood Creations Cause and Effect.

Every one of these folks understood the “fantasy, this ideal, which the human being mentally creates by means of his/her consciousness, determines his/her life …//… that which the human being thinks, he/she becomes, or is – the might of the thoughts determines that.”

These people that I had the opportunity to meet and talk too, understood the power and the might of the thought and practiced it daily. I doubt that any of them read any of Billy’s material except for maybe one other, than myself. I just happened to be at the right place at the correct timing to meet these folks.

We all learned a lot from each other through the exchange of ideas, thoughts and acquired wisdom, so to speak. I was introduced to Billy’s material through an OSI (Office of Special Investigations) Federal Investigator; over time, applying the “might of the Thought” and other materials was very helpful in my work.

Sincerely
Kenneth
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Tyler
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Post Number: 146
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Posted on Saturday, October 14, 2017 - 03:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Ut is amazing now that you mention it, because my thinking wise has taken me through into contact with the schools of magic and bardery and druidism.

It is a big joy for me trace down these remnants in my subconscious, and all it actually has taken is continually turning over the thoughts in my head, and then by magic the rest of my life has worked itself out according to that wish.

It is really amazing, and tonight I am making cream fig soup with nutmeg and goat milk. My taste buddies, what of them are actually left in my tongue on this day, really are enjoying it
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Norm
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Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 07:34 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Why the word Might rather than Power?
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Eddieamartin
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Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 09:07 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Norm,

As I understand it presently; the "power" is in/the consciousness and the "might" is in the thinking.

In an automobile, the gas pedal has the might and the engine has the power to turn the gears that turn the tires.
Salome,
Eddie

In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Joseph_emmanuel
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Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 09:12 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Norm,

Might is a modal verb. It is past simple of the verb May. The reason it's called Might of the Thoughts is because not everyone may have them; thoughts, that is.
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Patm
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Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Norm,
the German word "Macht" is to be translated into English as "might"

the German word "Kraft" is to be translated into English as "power"

Mostly "Kraft" is translated as "power" and only then as "might", when it is about "Macht/might". In later passages that is more clear. Kraft des Bewusstseins is likewise translated as Power of the consciousness
Meist wird Kraft als "power" übersetzt und nur dann als "might", wenn es um Macht geht. In späteren Abschnitten wird das klarer. Kraft des Bewusstseins wird ebenfalls als "power of the consciousness" übersetzt

Power is that which energy sets free; Energy sets power free.
Kraft ist das was Energie freigibt; Energie gibt Kraft frei

Might is a factor, which is mastering, something that stands over the normal one. Might stands over the power, uses the power.
Macht ist ein Faktor, der beherrschend ist, etwas das über dem Normalen steht. Macht steht über der Kraft, nutzt die Kraft.

The human being has might over him/herself, or also not. The mightiest, that exists, is the Creation.
Der Mensch hat Macht über sich selbst, oder auch nicht. Das Mächtigste, das existiert, ist die Schöpfung

Hope this helps
Salome
PatM
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Corey
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Posted on Saturday, November 25, 2017 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Norm,

Because from might comes power.
Salome/Corey Müske. -"Goblet of the Truth" page 488 & 489 (theme of overpopulation and not following what is natural):
----- ----- ----- ----- ----- ----- -----
27:62 "Ihr habt nur die Wahl, euch aus euren selbsterschaffenen Verstrickungen zu befreien und der Wahrheit der Schöpfung sowie ihren Gesetzen und Geboten Folge zu leisten – oder unterzugehen."

27:62 "You only have the choice to liberate yourselves out of your self-created entanglements and to follow the truth of the Creation as well as its laws and recommendations – or to go under."
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Tyler
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Posted on Sunday, November 26, 2017 - 02:36 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Norm,

The words "might" and "power" have a bit of a different meaning in the context of the spiritual teaching.

In English, "might" and "power" are often equated with each other, as in describing the strength of someone's physical body, such as in the expressions "he has a mighty grip" or "he has such a powerful body".

In the context of the consciousness forces, they have a different meaning.

"Might"/Macht is the actual potency that generates a stronger or weaker thought-radiation, like how an electrical conduit first gathers up energy in itself to increase its own potential until it is crackling with potential and is ready to give off a very mighty discharge or energy.

Then "power"/"force"/Kraft is the actual released energy, which in regards to the consciousness means the consciousness powers that unfold and swing out into the mental block.

So, first might is built up, and then it is released in the form of force in the material consciousness.

Another possible translation for Kraft besides "power" is also "force".
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Norm
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Posted on Sunday, November 26, 2017 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Thanks everyone for the replies. The question was asked from my Nurse who is German.
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Tyler
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Posted on Sunday, November 26, 2017 - 04:09 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hahaha, that's 3 of us chiming in with our own analogies. Amusing.

I forgot ... AGAIN, my own analogy is pretty shit, and not really resembles how it works perfectly. It is just my effort to explain something that I only half understand myself.

Billy made the best analogy in the book 'The Might of the Thoughts', but damn it because I don't have my copy to check the page number.

Anyway, yeah .. might and power are two different things.

Again, my analogy is stupid, because I was dreaming it up like the Sanskrit occultists. I went to work today and again recognised how shite it is to make up stuff... instead of just ... using what Billy wrote.
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Msmichelle
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Posted on Monday, November 27, 2017 - 04:46 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Norm, what was the answer given by your nurse, please share, since you started the conversation?
MsMichelle
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Norm
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Posted on Wednesday, November 29, 2017 - 07:11 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

MsMichelle, My Nurse said that Power has a little violent touch to it. She finds the answers interesting.
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Josecarlospremium
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Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 08:17 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Good Morning,
can someone give me the complete digital book of arahat athersata,
because the translation I have in my language (portuguese, brazil) is incomplete, mainly
the part of how to think positive (correctly).
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Patm
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Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2019 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Josecarlospremium,

Regarding the book Arahat Athersata
You can purchase the German only version from FIGU Switzerland at: https://shop.figu.org/b%C3%BCcher/arahat-athersata

German/English copies can be purchased from:
FIGU Switzerland at: https://shop.figu.org/b%C3%BCcher/arahat-athersata-deutsch-englisch

TheyFly (United States) at: https://theyflyblog.com/?p=7317

FIGU Landesgruppe Canada at: https://ca.figu.org/figu-shop---arahat-athersata.html

FIGU Landesgruppe Australia at: http://au.figu.org/shop/?product=arahat-athersata

These are copyrighted books that are NOT to be electronically copied.

All translations of this book are to be done from the original German text after Permission to do so has been received from FIGU Switzerland.

All other copies of this book are considered illegal and infringe on the copyright of the author.

Hope this helps.
PatM
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Josecarlospremium
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Posted on Friday, November 22, 2019 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Patm,

Thanks for the info, soon I will be getting the book in English. But I wish someone who had already read the book could delineate a few excerpts from how to "think positive neutral thinking balanced" out of kindness.
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Chasekahn747
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Posted on Friday, November 22, 2019 - 08:30 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

> [What is your email we can perhaps discuss the fundamentals, you can email me rather king_magus@icloud.com]
I Like you am searching for the meaning of Truth in The spirit teachings...since I am human like you..I too have to search and perceive..and in so doing may grasp the laws of Creation,,judging according to the laws of nature which are of creation...so be it..
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Josecarlospremium
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Posted on Monday, November 25, 2019 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Chasekahn747,
Thanks for the words,
My email is josecarlospremium@gmail.com.
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Josecarlospremium
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Posted on Monday, November 25, 2019 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Where partial translation ends on the teaching "balanced positive neutral thinking"

Follow the excerpt from the translation (with German added)

"457. Jeder normale und denkfähige Mensch kann erlernen, die oft sehr tragischen Folgen übler Stimmungen
und Launen zu vermeiden und Glück und Erfolg herbeizuziehen.

457 Qualquer Ser Humano normal, sendo capaz de pensar pode aprender a evitar as consequências muitas
vezes trágicas do mau humor e seus caprichos, e pode atrair a felicidade e o sucesso.

458. Und wer seine Stimmungen und Launen zu meistern vermag, der meistert auch sein Glück, seine
Erfolge, Freude, Gesundheit und Sonnigkeit, Freundschaften und sonst alles Gute.

458 E quem é capaz de dominar os seus humores e caprichos, pode também dominar a sua felicidade, o seu
sucesso, sua alegria, a sua saúde, a sua alegria, as suas amizades e tudo o mais de bom.

459. Doch hier wird nun die Frage laut, wie ein positives Denken zu erreichen und zu erlangen ist; das
positive Denken in Ausgeglichenheit nämlich.

459 Mas aqui ergue-se agora a pergunta, como alcançar um pensamento positivo, ou seja, como alcançar um
pensamento positivo em equilíbrio?

460. Wie denkt man also positiv?

460 Como se pensar positivo, portanto? "
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Lemontree
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Posted on Friday, November 13, 2020 - 07:33 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi,

I don't quite understand what "healthy" negative thoughts mean.

I understood from the book that positive thoughts lead to positive feelings, actions, and results. So it makes sense that we should avoid negative thoughts as much as possible...

But it also says (p. 108) we should not suppress the "healthy" negative thoughts and their feelings e.g. fear, anxiety, cowardice, rage, antipathy... what he calls "basic feelings" because they are important for survival.

Are these "healthy" negative thoughts the kind that you feel when in danger or situations like that? Therefore technically they're different than your everyday thoughts. Or what exactly are they?

I thought we should try to think more neutral-positive and avoid negative thoughts that lead to fear, anxiety, fury, etc. because they create negative results, but he's saying we should acknowledge and not suppress them.

Thanks
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Patm
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Posted on Friday, November 13, 2020 - 08:01 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It is only the negative actions that should be avoided.
In order for thoughts to truly be neutral-positive they must include the working out the positive thoughts as well as the negative thoughts in order for a neutral positive thinking to occur. This is also true for feelings that result from the thoughts. The working out of positive as well as negative feelings will then result in neutral-positive feelings. You cannot truly understand the positive with also working out the negative.
With neutral-positive thoughts and feelings being worked out, then negative actions should never come to fruition.
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Eddieamartin
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Posted on Friday, November 13, 2020 - 09:36 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Lemontree

Through careful (thoughtful) consideration, we can conclude, as Billy has stated in numerous occasions, that from a consciousness-based and creational-based perspective, "negative" is not necessarily "bad" or that "positive" is not necessarily "good".

Neutral-positive-equalized, as I have learned, takes in (considers) both polarities of a thought, an action or deed, as well as a situation, an event and so on.

Evolution of the consciousness, as I have come to realize, stems from cognition via recognition of truth, logic and love.

As it pertains to "positive thoughts lead to positive feelings, actions and results"; This refers to neutral-positive-equalized thoughts, and not necessarily "positive" thoughts.

The reader will find that Billy often clarifies that the reader (student) of the Might Of The Thoughts is to understand that "positive thoughts" actually refers (should be understood) to mean neutral-positive-equalized thoughts.

So not actual "positive" thoughts because "positive thoughts" are incomplete and out of balance by their very nature (the same with "negative thoughts").

Thoughts have a might, much like a wall outlet supplies electricity. The electricity (might) can power a device that is plugged into the wall outlet.

Because the power of the consciousness is neutral, and indeed powers the might of the thoughts, this power effectuates (realizes) the thoughts, regardless of their nature of good or bad, negative or positive, evolutive or unevolutive.

So through the reflecting and considering, the introspect and retrospect, there is a great deal to learn about ourselves, our character, our virtues and so on that allow us to steer and form these aspects of our wesen in its journey through our evolution.

"Suppressing" any thought is a form of denial and avoidance, this leads to ignorance and stagnation of the consciousness. Neutral-positive-equalized considers both polarities of every thought, happening, circumstance, etc. and from there we can form our own judgement (evaluation) and determine the correct course of thoughts, actions and deeds.
Salome,
Eddie

In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Phi_spiral
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Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2020 - 08:36 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Lemontree

Billy has explained that all feelings start has thoughts, either consciously or subconsciously. The process is so fast, that it is impossible to immediately determine the source. The subconscious could be sending an impulse of a possible threat that then becomes one of the feelings Billy mentions in The Might of Thoughts, page 108: fear, anxiety, etc. The mindful person will observe the feeling and contemplate its’ value to their immediate situation, is there an imminent reason for concern for instance. After acknowledging the feeling in an objective manner, it is then stored in the memory as a neutral energy and thus neutral-positive, and has value for further development in the future. If on the other hand the person is unmindful, and chooses to dwell on the feeling without analysis, then they give might to the thought/feelings and unwanted manifestations can be a result.

As Billy explains in Zur Besinnung (For Reflection) page 210:

But this must happen before the unwanted thoughts and feelings can manifest as fate. Thought discipline and actual mental hygiene are two important factors in relation to the entire human development with regard to the mental block and thus also to consciousness and mental health. The health of these factors is a great inner treasure of man, but this can only be developed and maintained by creating on a meditative basis and consciously brought into consciousness without falling into a belief.
Das aber muss geschehen, ehe sich die unerwunschten Gedanken und Gefuhle als Schicksal manifestieren konnen. Die Gedankendisziplin und die eigentliche Psychohygiene stellen zwei wichtige Faktoren dar in bezug auf die gesamte menschliche Entwicklung hinsichtlich des Mentalblocks und damit auch der bewusstseinsmassigen und psychischen Gesundheit. Die Gesundheit dieser Faktoren ist ein grosser innerer Schatz des Menschen, doch wird dieser nur dadurch entwickelt und erhalten, indem er auf meditativer Basis erschaffen und bewusst ins Bewusstsein eingebracht wird, ohne dabei einem Glaubendenken zu verfallen.

The translation is mine and may contain errors.

Regards
Bob

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