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Hugo
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Post Number: 952
Registered: 04-2015
| | Posted on Saturday, November 14, 2020 - 07:56 pm: | 
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Patm, I don't know but I imagine too much negative thoughts is also to be avoided. |
Patm
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Post Number: 848
Registered: 07-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2020 - 02:05 pm: |
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@Hugo,
You are correct, just as only positive thoughts will not result in neutral-positive feelings. The working out of neutral-positive thoughts is a process that must involve both the positive and the negative. When a negative impulse become realized in the consciousness as a thought, then the process of working out a neutral-positive thought should begin by also analyzing the positive. Contrarily, if a positive impulse becomes realized in the consciousness, then the process of working out a neutral-positive thought should begin by also analyzing the negative. |
Lauste
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 06-2020
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 - 01:35 pm: |
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So from what I understand considering the posts regarding what Lemontree was asking, in a nutshell, there are negative and positive thoughts that exist, there's no denying that. The existence of these thoughts must be recognized and NOT ignored. The process of "neutral positive equalized thinking" is just that, a process that occurs after the recognition, in this instance the recognition of positive AND negative thoughts.
To use "neutral positive equalized thinking" one must process, or one can say review, go over, discern the positive as well as the negative thoughts coming through. You could say pulling the weeds from the garden and when the process is complete you are left with "useful plants" or "neutral positive equalized thoughts". So one uses the (process) of "neutral positive equalized thinking" to process what was (inputed) in the form of positive and negative thoughts to (output) "neutral positive equalized thoughts"
Once we are left with "neutral positive equalized thoughts" we can now act upon them.
Now the question arises, why do we have negative thoughts? I think maybe it's because we are in a lesser world, dimension or what ever you want to call it, where we have physical bodies, a universe with coarse matter, for the matter lol. We are subject to its laws and there's a law of positive and negative. So positive and negative exist in our world. When faced with negative situations we input negative thoughts ie fear. In order to survive we must act quickly without thinking sometimes and these negative thoughts are acted upon instantaneously in order to survive by-passing our process of neutral positive thinking perhaps. But when negative thoughts arise like fear and stay well after we've used them or not used them they cause harm and we must process these negative thoughts through "neutral positive equalized thinking" and through that process we through them out as weeds.
So the way I see it, negative thoughts are here to stay, we have to recognize them when we can and discard them when necessary or use them for situations like survival and then discard them when they're no longer needed. You can't just look at one side of the story, the whole story is there it would be wise to see it as it is. Only a fool thinks themselves above the laws of nature. When one thinks the universe is against them it's really themselves that are against the laws of the universe so to speak.
I kind of went off on a tangent but those are my thoughts as of this moment on the topic of positive and negative thoughts and how they relate to the process of neutral positive equalized thinking.
Love & Wisdom
as always
Do not go Gentle into that Good Night.
Rage, Rage Against the Dying of the Light.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1291
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 - 05:58 pm: |
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Hello Lauste
You hit the nail on the head. You will derive a tremendous amount of dividends from a lifetime study of the Goblet Of The Truth and the Might Of The Thoughts books.
Regarding your question; "Now the question arises, why do we have negative thoughts?"
As I have learned and recognized through introspect, retrospect and observance, as well as the study of the books I mentioned above, we as human beings evolve through the making of mistakes, a necessary "negative" we must come to terms with and not condemn it.
The making of mistakes is a part (an idea) of the Creation and paramount to the human evolution of the consciousness.
So we then have the creational recommendation that we should be towards ourselves as we are towards a dear friend. So through neutral-positive-equalized thinking, we recognize the negative polarity of evolution which are the mistakes. Being our own best friend, we can forgive ourselves and encourage ourselves as we would a dear friend.
The learning (recognition) of the cause & effects from those mistakes (or successes) is the neutral-positive-equalized knowledge gained that builds capabilities which then turn into wisdom.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Lauste
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 06-2020
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 - 08:35 pm: |
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Hi Eddie,
I agree, I've made my way half way through Might of the Thoughts and put it down for some time and am now reading half way through Arahat Athersata which is interesting. I've acquired The Goblet of Truth and that one is definitely going to take a lifetime let me tell you...I've read all the intro stuff and barely touched the first chapter. I just want to add that there's an immense pool of information here and it's kind of overwhelming I was never much of a reader. So a lifetime study for me.
Yes I agree mistakes are necessary as long as we eventually learn from them. The purpose of life is the evolution of consciousness as billy says and it only becomes obvious once you hear it for the first time. I would have guessed happiness but no spiritual growth makes more sense.
To find the Truth I like to see logical patterns and the Law of Correspondence allows this. So, as above, so below, or as an example the structure of a tiny atom is the same as a solar system with a nucleus in the middle with electrons or planets flying around it. The fundamental structures are set in the laws of nature micro or macro.
So to confirm the Truth of the evolution of consciousness one can compare it to the Trivium. The trivium is 3 steps of learning, grammar-logic-rhetoric, or you could say input-processing-output or even knowledge-understanding-wisdom. Now our life is the knowledge stage, the spiritual realm is the understanding stage or processing, and the wisdom stage is somewhere at the end in the spiritual realm where we are ready to be born again...with a little more wisdom and a sleight edge compared to our previous life (ideally).
So yes we need to make mistakes and learn from them and we can't learn from them if we ignore them because they are "negative". Yes what you said is a good example for negative concerning mistakes. If we ignore that aspect of negativity then we will never grow and consequently never evolve our consciousness until we actually do decide to look at the "negative" or ie our mistakes. So it's good that we're trying to clarify why only negative or even only positive is bad, we need both and to make decisions based on both not just one side of polarity. How can one ignore an entire half of something in favour of the other? Is the question. And the result is they'll be ignoring it endlessly for all eternity until they see it as a whole, then and only then can one move on.
Love & Wisdom
Do not go Gentle into that Good Night.
Rage, Rage Against the Dying of the Light.
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Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1292
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 17, 2020 - 10:24 pm: |
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Good points Lauste,
In addition, in Arahat Athersata page 138 line 525 (German/English) it says; Positive and negative embody two potencies and onenesses which are in themselves autonomous and of precisely equal values.
This is an interesting way of looking at the "negative" and the "positive" which applies to anything and everything that exists inside the Creation.
You mention the atom and how this can be illustrated through a solar system, an excellent point. Interestingly, when asked, Billy said that an atom better resembles a galaxy and this has actually been confirmed in recent years.
But your analogy of the atom and the solar system is effective in its principle and illustration.
In both, a solar system and a galaxy, negative and positive make possible the creation and existence of a galaxy and solar system and clearly illustrate the insight offered by Arahat Athersata in line 525 above.
We often hear people say, after committing a mistake; "I could just kick myself". These words, by their very nature, are of a "negative potency" and most people aren't aware of the vicious cycle of destructive effect on the psyche these words and their preceding thoughts bring about.
Counter intuitively, "positive" thoughts have the same, and sometimes an even worse effect than the negative. Hence the famous aphorism or proverb; "The road to failure is paved with good intentions."
In the secret sciences from the spiritual teaching, as I am learning them, the law for success is based on the neutral-positive-equalized wise.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 742
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2020 - 06:29 am: |
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Lauste, you are quite informed about BEAMs material, have you been on this forum before? If so, what was your screen name?
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Lauste
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 06-2020
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 18, 2020 - 12:46 pm: |
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Eddie, you make a good point with "the road to failure is paved with good intentions" I use this phrase often but with the word hell instead. I know a bit about the secret sciences mainly The seven hermetic principles or the seven natural laws. I think Billy confirmed them somewhere on this forum but I could be wrong, I often forget where I come across information. The principle of Mentalism, Correspondence, Vibration, Polarity, Rhythm, Cause and Effect, and Gender. They're basic principles that have to do with our material world I think. I need to become a member of FIGU and get access to the specialized information about the spiritual teaching where it's more targeted in a productive way.
Miss Michelle, no I have never been on this forum before, my current profile Lauste is the first, however I have used this user name on other unrelated forums in the past. I know a bit about the source material but have not delved into it deep enough to really know what I'm talking about yet. I'm still young so I have a lifetime ahead of me to really study everything.
Do not go Gentle into that Good Night.
Rage, Rage Against the Dying of the Light.
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Msmichelle
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Post Number: 743
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2020 - 05:20 am: |
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That's fantastic Lauste and welcome to the forum and BEAMs material. This will be a glorious journey for you and your consciousness.
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Kenneth
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Post Number: 1239
Registered: 04-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2020 - 01:21 pm: |
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Greetings Lauste,
Welcome to the FIGU forum. “Old age should burn and rave at close of day…”.
I agree with Msmichelle and others; “This will be a glorious journey for you and your consciousness.”
From what you have articulated previously, the older generation would possibly refer to you as an Old Soul; today's understanding of the same circumstances would possibly refer to you as an advanced spiritform. If you do not already know about the spirit, or spiritforms, it is also a most interesting study.
Love & Wisdom
Sincerely
Kenneth |
Lauste
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 06-2020
| | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2020 - 03:40 pm: |
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Kenneth, thank you and ya it's a poem I came across recently by Dylan Thomas. It seems it's about fighting death, however, one should not fight death at the end but go with peace. I like the words "Do not go gentle into that good night, rage, rage against the dying of the light" because instead of night representing "death" I associate night with "darkness" or "ignorance" or "lack of knowledge". Darkness is lack of light. There is only light. Light is tangible to a degree and darkness is nothing, emptiness, and people think darkness has power...its only power is in the complete suppression of light. A candle can light a room but a small point of darkness cannot exist in a lite room. Just wanted to clarify that even though the poem may be about resisting death, I see it as a poem about resisting ignorance, resisting the untruth, resisting the dying of the Truth. Light being Truth.
Aha thanks I'd like to think I'm an old soul, but I have no way to really know, I do dumb things sometimes. If there's one thing that makes sense to me it's that we are spirit forms for how can death be the end? Energy doesn't die it gets transferred. If everyone knew death wasn't the end and we live many many lives then people would act differently. If people knew we needed to evolve our consciousness perhaps they'd care to try harder in life and learn more. I don't fear death, I fear not gaining anything in life to progress my spirit.
Thank you for your words
Love & Wisdom
Salome
Do not go Gentle into that Good Night.
Rage, Rage Against the Dying of the Light.
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 1500
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, November 19, 2020 - 07:22 pm: |
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Regarding knowing that death isn't the end:
https://www.zazzle.com/reincarnation_bumper_sticker-128144082650840259 |
Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 96
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Friday, November 20, 2020 - 08:07 am: |
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Hello Lauste and welcome.
You will probably find this interesting: it is a letter to the editors of the New York Times and printed in the newspaper October 5, 1989 -
"To the Editor:
The Sept. 22 letter referring to Dylan Thomas's ''Do Not Go Gentle Into That Good Night'' prompts me to correct the popular belief that the poem was inspired by the approaching death of the poet's father.
I spent many hours with Dylan Thomas arranging a series of poetry readings at the Roerich Museum in New York City. He told me on one memorable night at the White Horse Tavern in Greenwich Village that this poem was not about his father nearing death, but about his rapidly failing eyesight. ''Rage, rage against the dying of the light'' referred to his father's approaching blindness. However, Thomas repeated several times, ''Let people make of it as they please.'' ROBERT J. GIBSON, Sept. 23, 1989"
I don't usually bother mentioning it to anyone when the subject comes up because as Dylan said, let people make of it as they please. But this forum is different. There is a perpetual thirst to know the true truth. And it is concurrently a path to the removal of all illusion and delusion. Once you start the path of the creational and spiritual teachings that Billy has presented, a whole new understanding of everything unfolds. Truly.
Regards
Bob |
Lauste
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 06-2020
| | Posted on Friday, November 20, 2020 - 11:00 am: |
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Michael, haha that's a good way to put it.
Death is not an end, but rather a transition stage. Once people realize that we need to invest in this life in order to have an even better next life then perhaps that's one step closer to a better world.
Bob, thanks for bringing that to my attention. It's good to know that it wasn't mean't to be about death, but rather about blindness, which I do prefer. As Robert said, Dylan Thomas repeated the notion to "Let people make of it as they please." So now it reassures my association of "darkness" and "ignorance" and "untruth" with the word "Night" instead of "death". I don't know if he mean't it to be about physical blindness but I'll associate it with spiritual blindness, blindness to the Truth that is. I always see Light as Truth and Darkness as Untruth. So as you pointed out it's about blindness, to give it deeper meaning, to me it's about not seeing the Light. It's about resisting the untruth, resisting the dying of the Truth. Truth being represented by "Light".
Thank you for that, it makes me understand the poem in a better way.
Love & Wisdom to you all
Salome
Do not go Gentle into that Good Night.
Rage, Rage Against the Dying of the Light.
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Lemontree
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Post Number: 109
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2021 - 03:57 am: |
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Hi,
In p.294 of "Might of Thoughts," it says "the human being must never be submissive, rather he/she must be great in his/her inner nature - the actual self."
How can you tell if you're being submissive vs friendly/helpful?
For example, at work I get asked to do favors quite often, should I reject them?
For example, they ask me to go buy lunch for them. It's not a big deal just a 5-minute work. They don't just request these favors from me only. It's easy for me to say yes, but am I being submissive, how can you really tell?
Thanks |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1331
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2021 - 09:42 am: |
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Hello Lemontree
I'm still in the infancy of my learning from the Might Of The Thoughts; I say this because every time I go through it my knowledge and understanding expands a little more.
In your examples and questions, it appears that there is a commingling of the virtues with humility.
Humility, as I would describe it, is a self-inflicting insult towards our true-worth, especially when considering the part piece of the Almighty Creation within us as the Spirit-form.
Humility shows a lack in the self-awareness of the potential of the Consciousness to continuously evolve and that of the Spirit to evolve up to and beyond the Absolute Absolutum.
Humility is a falsehood, which must be acted out, much like an actor in a movie, which is a self-insulting self-portrait of our personality in that we place ourselves as beneath or less-than someone or something else. So thereby affecting us through the psyche and thereby triggering a cycle of thoughts which only continuously ingrains this idea and attitude that we are less than or beneath in self-worth and value.
Being virtuous is the signature of a true alpha-male or alpha-female. It is in obedience to creational laws and recommendations to moderate in all things. Namely carrying ourselves in such a wise that we realize, and acknowledge to ourselves, as part of our character, that we are neither above nor beneath anyone or anything else. It is the recognition of the true creational-valuefulness of every creation within Creation... whether this creation is another human being, a rock, a planet or any other creation.
Being kind, trustworthy, reliable, contributing, resourceful, edifying of others, generous, considerate and courteous, being respectful and self-respected, etc. is in no way humility.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1589
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 12:56 am: |
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Hi Jessy,
In addition to what Eddie explained.
If we see life in the universe with a universal eye, if we see all the many events in a universe, they all happen “in tune with achieving the overall objective”: To establish a universal balance
So, if you want to become a person of great peace, that is in “unity with the universe”, you would first declare that you will – for the sake of this unity – follow all the principles on which this universe is based. And when you then realize that all these laws exist so as to establish a perfect balance, you would – as a miniature universe within the larger universe - carefully observe your thoughts and actions - that they, too, are in tune – so as to support this universal law of balance.
So, when you become an "thought-observing" person, and meet a person that is out of “balance”, that is overly proud, selfish, hateful or greedy – here it would be wrong to be loving because it would cause this person to continue on a path of an excess that will ultimately cause him or her to suffer. You would tell him/her “it will help you consider the plight of others / to do this on your own / to watch your thoughts etc.
Similarly, if somebody sees only the negatives in him/herself, you would encourage this person "as long as you live your life is of good value - out of your mistakes can grow great deep compassion to help others to prevent the mistake you have made, and so you do good to them you will do good to you".
And if someone cannot help him/herself at all – if he/she is sick or in a great dilemma – then you can always speak with a warm and loving heart to this person to give him/her a new will to live.
So, when your colleagues ask you “to do a favour” – if this continues on and on – this, too, may become an excess that should be stopped. You could e.g., say to your colleagues: “I have always bought your lunches with a loving heart but I would feel much better if we had a roster – because then it feels more like friends sharing equally with their friends..."
And while you say this – you may well think that you do this to create a "middle way", a loving oneness with the universe - so as to bring more peace and balance into this world.
Salome, Bill |
Msmichelle
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Post Number: 774
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 08:28 am: |
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Lemontree, First of all, build yourself up and ask yourself, Am I soft, weak, assertive, aggressive, etc. We all have negative and positive traits, therefore, it's obvious you're "bothered by being ask to do this or that" otherwise, you would not ask yourself these questions. By the way, this is great! You're questioning your behavior and seeking advice. I would say, "who do you want to be?"
MsMichelle (sending peace and love to all)
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Lemontree
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Post Number: 110
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 09:44 am: |
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Eddieamartin, I understood your explanation about humility and virtuous and it's good. But I did not quite understand whether I'm being humble or not. Am I?
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 108
Registered: 04-2020
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 11:19 am: |
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Hello Lemontree
To willfully perform an act of generosity is not being submissive. You are submissive, as in the way Billy uses the term on page 294 of "Might of the Thoughts," when you literally submit to someone else's will.
If you are asked, "Will you get us lunch?" then you are given the option to choose what your own will shall be. So are you acting through your own volition?
My input is simply that if it is your "inner nature" to be generous then you are not being submissive and that, as Billy states in the excerpt from your post, "rather he/she must be great in his/her inner nature - the actual self." Only you can discern what being true to your actual self looks like.
Workplace environments are a microcosm of a human society that must work together in support and unity and helpful employees are generally prized. In the last office I worked at, there was an individual who loved to get lunch for others because he welcomed the opportunity to get out of the office, breathe fresh air, feel the sun, etc. You say it's about a 5-minute walk for you? Embrace the opportunity to exercise and stay healthy.
Regards
Bob |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 1332
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 02:04 pm: |
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Lemontree,
In addition to what Bob (Phi_spiral) said; No you are not being humble.
Bob (Phi_spiral) gave really good insights and analogy that help us understand your scenario in regards to humility.
Salome,
Eddie
In the *Goblet of the Truth* there it says:
Live always in love and in peace, foster freedom and harmony on Earth and never forget the real truth. Foster your life always in goodness of heart and live in the true BEING of the Creation. The *Goblet of the Truth* will wake you, not to the bane - but to the boon. (pg.3)
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Learnmore12
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Post Number: 123
Registered: 05-2014
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2021 - 06:44 pm: |
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Hi Bill, I am not posting as Lemontree. It is someone else. Thanks.
Jessy |
Tat_tvam_asi
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Post Number: 1592
Registered: 04-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, February 18, 2021 - 03:04 am: |
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Thank you, Jessy. How did I get this wrong? Maybe because you both started with an "L"  Well, then ...
Hi Lemontree,
In addition to what Eddie explained.
If we see life in the universe with a universal eye, if we see all the many events in a universe, they all happen “in tune with achieving the overall objective”: To establish a universal balance
So, if you want to become a person of great peace, that is in “unity with the universe”, you would first declare that you will – for the sake of this unity – follow all the principles on which this universe is based. And when you then realize that all these laws exist so as to establish a perfect balance, you would – as a miniature universe within the larger universe - carefully observe your thoughts and actions - that they, too, are in tune – so as to support this universal law of balance.
So, when you become an "thought-observing" person, and meet a person that is out of “balance”, that is overly proud, selfish, hateful or greedy – here it would be wrong to be loving because it would cause this person to continue on a path of an excess that will ultimately cause him or her to suffer. You would tell him/her “it will help you consider the plight of others / to do this on your own / to watch your thoughts etc.
Similarly, if somebody sees only the negatives in him/herself, you would encourage this person "as long as you live your life is of good value - out of your mistakes can grow great deep compassion to help others to prevent the mistake you have made, and so you do good to them you will do good to you".
And if someone cannot help him/herself at all – if he/she is sick or in a great dilemma – then you can always speak with a warm and loving heart to this person to give him/her a new will to live.
So, when your colleagues ask you “to do a favour” – if this continues on and on – this, too, may become an excess that should be stopped. You could e.g., say to your colleagues: “I have always bought your lunches with a loving heart but I would feel much better if we had a roster – because then it feels more like friends sharing equally with their friends..."
And while you say this – you may well think that you do this to create a "middle way", a loving oneness with the universe - so as to bring more peace and balance into this world.
Salome, Bill |
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