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Jay_q
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 15, 2005 - 06:51 pm: | 
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the overpopulation needs to stop. It causes cancer and other unneeded diseases. If your interested in starting a letter to congress about this issue (useless but makes a point) or are upset at the government's IGNORANCE on this issue then enjoy posting in this section of the forum. thanks |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 474
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 16, 2005 - 05:08 am: |
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Hi Jay_q...
Well, maybe the governments should do, as what the US government did
decades ago to a group of Native American Indians? Which I once watched on
a documentary.
The US government were, so-called...Inoculating this particular Native
American Indian tribe against sickness and what not. But what was the
case: The Indians were giving a shot which made them "Infertile"!
It seems that this concerning tribe was not the only tribe.
Of course, they found this out with the help of friendly researchers
from the medical sector, that did not trust the government's Agenda..at
that time(70ties-80ties).
And what was further the case: The government at that time let this come
into action because they..found that the Native American Indians were an
Obstacle to their - Destiny Progression Plan - (cutting down the forrest,
damming the lakes and rivers...building houses...etc...). Thus let this
"Inhuman" inoculation come in to action, without any Scruples of any kind.
And of course, by not letting them have offspring, this would increase the
governments possibilities to "Occupy" the lands even more! Thus, the Less
Indians..the more land there is..to take over.
If I am correct, the Indian women that were pregnant at the time all had
Miscarriages. And some even had Deformed babies.
So, by discovering this governments Agenda on time, these INHUMAN
practices could not be executed any further. It seemed this Agenda was to
be executed to as many Native American Indian tribes...throughout America
as possible.
So, as One can notice, there is a way to cut-down on births...as mentioned
above! But this example is of course of an INHUMAN manner.
So, the US government...does...seem to have the possibilities to make this
come into reality - cutting down the births - . But I doubt that The
Mass...would accept this...?? If they were told to have an inoculation to
eliminate any further procreation...of themselves. Billy had had enough of
a hard and difficult time trying to convince world governments, let alone
telling this to the mass of people.
Thus, I guess the US government and its contractors, at the time, were
just out to make "PROFIT". And which was also, one way to get rid of the
Native American Indians.
Very Sad...scenario, that that government conjured up.
Edward. |
Jay_q
Member
Post Number: 18
Registered: 01-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 17, 2005 - 10:23 am: |
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Edward,
Yes, its a useless endeavor. It's sad that in this day and age our own U.S. government and their buddies have to lie to the masses about the truth behind sickness and its knowledge on the possible origins of life because of fear of offending the dogmatic members of the religious cults. Unfornatly there is only one way out of these enslaving attibutes of our deceiving governments. It seems that the only true way out is hoping time will heal their "material world" souls and possibly one day they may start to shift over to a more spirtual based lifestyle and mind-set. Only time will tell.... Thanks Ed.
- Jay |
Joseph_emmanuel
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Post Number: 59
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Friday, February 18, 2005 - 01:57 pm: |
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Personally, I couldn't give a damn about their material world souls. What we need is a revolution. I'd like to see the people unite together against their government and bring it down. |
Norm
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Post Number: 682
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, February 19, 2005 - 06:33 am: |
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Joseph_emmanuel, I'm afraid thats whats going to happen. |
Torrent
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Sunday, February 20, 2005 - 07:43 pm: |
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I am very disappointed that people today just can't stop viewing population problems based on economic issues.
According to the recent cover story of Business Week covering both decreasing and aging population in several countries , all governments and economists just worry about waning workforce and the consequential prices the societies should pay in the future. (such as ballooning social security costs and import of foreign workforce)
They have failed to identify all the serious problems overpopulation has caused recently and these governments are even encouraging their people to have more children to offset aging generations by offering benefits and incentives.
If we don't change the way the governments deal with population issues, overpopulation would never stop. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 479
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 12:10 pm: |
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Hi Torrent..
Yes, very very well said.
The Same is the situation in my country. The Government is Only focused on
building up the economy. They find it very odd, today, that the people are
not buying things as they did some years ago. But this is due to the
Freezing of salary Raise etc...and of course the Euro. Which was supposed
to Boost up the economy; which has become a Direct Failure. It just Back
Fired!
Good you should mention, "governments are even encouraging their people to
have more children to offset aging generations by offering benefits and
incentives. "
I've mentioned this once also in a posting. It was introduced in Italy, by
the government of PM. Berlusconi. Even when there are great problems, with
the unemployment in the country, in great numbers. The unemployed are not
provided with work, yet..he wants More People!! This is Truly Starting..
Overcrowding/Overpopulation at it's best. Alas to say.
Edward. |
Joseph_emmanuel
Member
Post Number: 61
Registered: 05-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 21, 2005 - 01:10 pm: |
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I don't see how we can change the way politicians deal with issues such as over-population. As I see it, they are a sign of the times. We elect certain individuals to govern our country and represent us as a people, and whether we like it or not, the truth is they have come from among us, which is to say that although we may not agree with the way they govern our country, they do represent us nonetheless. The world is what we have made it. If we were better people we would have better politicians. The fact that our politicians are crap reveals a lot about the kind of people we are. Now you may disagree with that. But you're just one, or a few, and so you don't really represent the people. |
Kaare
Member
Post Number: 14
Registered: 03-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 05:16 am: |
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Hi Torrent,
Well said. Overpopulation is really the root to all evil, but hardly gets mentioned. Each pressure group seem to focus on what they think is the most important, based on what they have been trained to see. For instance scientists, writing articles about global warming, many times focus narrowly on the technical issues ,such as the pollution particles in the air and the pollution sources, without mentioning the rise in overpopulation as the real root of it all. An aid organization may focus on poverty in a certain country as the main factor why people die of hunger, and not on the issue that the country has a population overshot above its carrying capacity, and there is simply not enough fertile soil or water to feed the growing amount of people in that particular country. I think the politicians and administration in most western countries, although elected by the people, act very much under pressure and advise from big business – where the big money ,and workplaces comes from. And big businesses are trained to look at population as consumers. So that more people means more consumers , which gives more profit growth. And of course the politicians are also very eager to point to this growth when their re-election year comes up.
So I think this is one major factor that makes the word “overpopulation” a political incorrect word to use even in this overpopulated times.
I think also people in general are still quite complacent about overpopulation issues because real shortages have not yet set inn. After all this planet have only been overpopulated a short time. It stayed within the correct population limit of 529 million up to just before year 1800. In the 1970’s it was around 4 billion and today nearly double that figure to well above 7 billion climbing towards 8. And over these decades of steep population growth, there has been an increased draw of Earth’s resources to feed this steep increase in consumption. So the average person would not have felt much living standard difference, in the form of shortages, over the past 30-40 years, even with the near doubling in population.
But there are now growing signs that resource peak -and-decline are only years away for vital resources such as oil and gas. And fresh water shortage has now become a real issue in many growing cities around
the world. And other alarming signs are appearing. So it looks we are heading into a real crisis because of overpopulation, sooner rather than later. And it looks the issue will not be taken seriously before then.
Regards
Kaare |
Norm
Member
Post Number: 684
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 12:46 pm: |
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The fact of the matter is, Population Control is now considered racist because the third world is were the overpopulation problem is. The birth rates in the Western World have been going down year after year, but the reason the population is growing in Europe & the USA is from too much immigration, legal & Illegal. In the USA if you come out in public & say that we need birth control to slow population growth you are turned into an evil racist trying to exterminate the 3rd world. The so-called first world will need to deal with this problem someday, because if they don't admit the problem to themselves and do something about it, there are going to be endless waves of people fighting to get into the 1st world where only so many can fit. The 1st world needs to stop the name calling & do the right thing like help create better 3rd world living standards as well as convincing the 3rd world they will have a better quality of life if they limit their population growth. China has learned this years ago, but India hasn't. India thinks it can use its overpopulation to dominate the West, by sheer numbers of cheap labor, stealing jobs from the USA & the World but it will only backfire. If we don't all work together for the betterment of everybody. I'm not by any means a Socialist but it may take a total collapse of Capitalist society before the world wakes up. I'm just afraid we will end up with a bunch of Dictatorships starting wars all over the world if the current system collapses. I believe if the Earths population were reduced to a decent level people would be free to move & live anywhere on Earth and no one would bat an eye. |
Tjames
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 22, 2005 - 05:36 pm: |
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Hi Norm,
This is true Norm, our governments and the citizens of Earth could handle this matter very responsibly but have neglected the ever increasingly urgent daily opportunity to encounter such a task.
I tuly believe that overpoplulaion and war are directly connected. If the population rises in country A, and the resources in that country cannot support the weight of it's industry then this country precipitates fear throughout his country and others intentionally, and with a dictatorship-like rule the government plans a large scale war effort in the name of national security. How easily this task could be carried out ecspecially when this country is one of the most militarily dominant and the most mass- conciously brain washed nation in the world.
This, all in the name of overpopulation.
Horribly, this is what my country has done, however it will not suffice because as you see Norm even 3rd world governments don't take the time to examine the problem at its root. Obviously, a plan to anniahlate 2/3 of the worlds population through war which happens to be my governments "strategy" will definately back-fire if this incredible excuse for an idea is left to unfold. It would back fire because this tactic does not involve spiritual truths or any morals which would then leave the next generation a chance to make the exact same mistakes, simply because their fathers and mothers had not learned how to control themselves. This must not happen for sure!
I don't know how you view American government policy and large nations alike but I despise the entire idea of Democracy. It is falical in it's basic design and its existence alone can be traced back to bad mental conditions amongst its populace which breeds idiocy and only helps conditions where people think it's ok to have 10 baies. As you stated Norm the 3rd world conditions are far worse but the U.S. policies only ensure that these seemingly lesser developed nations continue on the path ignorance.
Salome gam nan ben urda gan njber hasala hesporona
Tim |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 481
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 12:55 am: |
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Hi All...
Yes, of course, we here in Europe had also had problems with Liberation
Women Movements; one in my country was called "De Dolle Minas" which would
be translated as "The Crazy Ladies/Women", whereby, some were very Radical
with their Ideas, as even saying; if their rights were to be taken away,
by example of Birth Control, which was their interpretation, and
concerning any other say concerning their own body, they would acknowledge
this as being Racist towards women!
Which is of course Not the case.
Thus, it was Never possible to Reason with such Radical thinking movements
was the conclusion; even though...some governments did try to make them
Conscious of the Overpopulation scenario.
This resulted in what the movement called here "BOM Mothers" - Bewust
Ongehuwde Moeders -, translated as "Consciously Unmarried Mothers". And
this was the start to a generation of Mothers, in my country as well in
other parts of Europe, having children WITHOUT a Husband at their side. In
most cases, they did not need a Male Companion by their side.
And imagine being a child of one of these mothers; knowing you were not
brought in to this world by Love, but by your mother being a BOM Mother.
A BOM child. Very Sad.
Thus, this too, was the start of the Boost of Overpopulation in my country
as well as in other parts of Europe. Hopefully, these Movements from the
70ties had learned a lessen from their Illogical Unreasonable ways of
thinking?
But luckily, the Legal new comers here are very Conscious with having
children. They limit their children to 1-2, to 3. Their parent's
generation..was just a generation that did procreate larger families.
Even just a couple of weeks ago, I watched from the media, that China has
Changed her course concerning Birth Control! It seems, in parts of China,
the government will let couples even have More than 2 children now. They
too(China), are taking part of the World Economy scenario. They Too,
realize, if they want to Compete with the Western countries, they will
have to do it in such manner. So China is Adapting the Same scenario as
India...alas to say.
And as what I watched from the media also, during Mr.Bush's elections, was
that Mr.Bush will even give "Green-Cards" to America's Southern border
country...whom would help build up America's Economy! Thus, it seems, if
Mr.Bush keeps his word, the Overcrowding of America is a Fact...for the
Future to come.
And of course, if One would appose the above mentioned Agenda, it has
nothing to do with Discrimination or being Racist...what so even, not?
Even the world leaderships of the West...will not tell the Mass today,
that there is Not enough Fertile land to Sow and to Harvest.
They only Sow and Harvest to Fill their Packets!!
They are Not Solving the problem, but Contributing to TOTAL Mass Chaos.
Which will Never result into an existence of Peace and Harmony, and
Balance within the Human Species.
Edward. |
Dplotmach
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 09-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 06:32 am: |
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Norm, why are you not a socialist, "not by any means"?
According to studies, Norway is the best country to live in, and we are a borderline social-individualistic state. Actually, some anarchist means we are a 54 percent anarchistic state (http://www.anarchy.no/epwm2.gif). Check out www.anarchy.no if you are interested in knowing more about true anarchism. "Anarchy" has been as badly used as the "the truth"... |
Norm
Member
Post Number: 685
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 23, 2005 - 12:07 pm: |
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Dplotmach, I meant that so people here wouldn't think I'm a Capitalist hating Communist/Socialist. I'm coming at it from a neutral view. |
Rarena
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Post Number: 150
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 09:51 am: |
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The topic: Crusade against Overpopulation is really about controlling birth rate to keep up with the sustainability of the quality of life of all living on our planet.
There is a type of plant that grows in the Amazon Jungle which is not endangered, but plentiful. It is ground into a paste by the indigenous peoples of the area and the resulting poultice is rubbed on the skin above the womans ovaries. According to the people this treated lady will not conceive for three years with no ill effects.
This may be something to pursue in regards to overpopulation. We all know how powerful the urge to procreate can blur our logic when making love. Some have little choice and accidents are going to happen. Having a simple procedure like the aforementioned one may be something that is possible although not readily available to all the people of Earth. |
Peter_brodowski
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Post Number: 260
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 30, 2006 - 03:18 pm: |
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Spondias mombin,
that's a plant that has many uses, not only does it apparently help in child birth, it also is used as an abortive. it's used for many issues that affect vaginal health. check that one out. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 714
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 01:26 am: |
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Hi Rarena....
Yes, that is very interesting, indeed!
Me.., having an Indonesian(being from Dutch-Indonesian = Jndjsch/Indisch)
background from one side of the family; I have heard from family members of
certain kinds of 'Herbs - Jamoe', that can suppress child birth. It is well
known in Indonesia, but alas, no one seems to make good usage of it! Unless,
their Ignorance or Unknowingness...leads them into such predicament?
I have also read once, that similar herbs were known to the American Indians,
as well...as in the African countries, and some others. It seems, that these
remedies/solutions are mostly known to non-industrialized countries. To whom,
it is known, the usage is very small, as it seems.
If the Solution(s) were to be made World known, this would indeed Suppress...
the World Overpopulation? But, on the other hand: GREEDY individuals would want to make a great Profit out of such concept, alas, I have to say.
Edward. |
Rarena
Member
Post Number: 157
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 07:42 am: |
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Hi Peter and Edward,
Thanks for the heads up on Spondias mombin shown below:
Have seen this in the Amazon jungle near Iquitos, thought it was a form of mango. Thanks for the Latin name.
Would be very much interested in the Indonesian plant and it's Latin name.
Having a permit from the US Government to bring any plant or animal from anywhere in the world it is my hobby to bring them back for medicinal purposes only... of course...Many of the plants that have not made it through customs due to the fact that my latin names are not correct... Will bring this one back and extract the "active ingredients" from it or at least get it to someone who will.
Do not know the correct latin name of the plant that prevents birth for up to three years. Have used latin to name it myself, causing it to appear endangered. There is a very old out of print large "coffee table" type book that talks about this plant and the natives have shown me where it grows.
As to people being "greedy" finding or making something that improves the quality of life on a planetary scale they are entitled to a profit in my opinion. Although it should be given away freely (or at least instruct them on cultivation techniques...) to the countries that cannot curb conception due in part, to poverty.
Will again attempt (third time) to procure this plant and the one Peter has shown me...
Thanks again,
Randy ô¿ô
PS> for those just browsing... This aforementioned unnamed plant may prevent pregnancy without supposed undue endocrine function nor augmentation. It is applied topically and is not taken internally although it may have some local effect in its' prevention of pregnancy. |
Peter_brodowski
Member
Post Number: 261
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 12:14 pm: |
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no problem rarena,
if you have not all ready though, do look at the Spondias mombin plant info in detail on the net.
i was amazed to find out about all the things it can cause and prevent in women from a health perspective. truly mother nature is the best doctor  |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 717
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 01:59 pm: |
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Hi Rarena...
Will see what I can do. If any family, know the name of the Herbs/plants.
It seems, that such herbs/plants, are not always made to be known, to the mass, as far as I know. This could be the reason, that it is not utilized on such a
great scale to reduce the country's (over-)population? But of course, there may
be other reasons.
And yes, of course: if it can reduce the 'Quantity' of the overpopulation..man
may make an honest earned bit of profit; as long as it is strictly under
controlled supervision. Thus, No Exploitation of any find.
Edward. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 755
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 01:24 am: |
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Hi All....
Once again, a Pope as Benedictus has...shown his 'illogical' way of
Catholic/Christian thinking by criticizing the European Union's declarations,
which have no mentioning of 'GOD', in any shape or form, in them.
The Pope, wanting to make the EU conscious of this during it's 50 year treaty
of Rome....and that GOD and the Christian roots within Europe must not be
absent, but...kept alive!
And that the above mentioned is the cause of (Christian) religious degrade and
degeneration, even though the majority are still of the Christian faith.
Furthermore, the Pope is very disappointed with the number of births in Europe,
and that more children must be born, to not make the European Union societies
collapse; which...would be the main reason, for the mentioned.
Edward. |
Fedor
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 01-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, March 25, 2007 - 01:45 pm: |
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Hello Edward,
The Pope should then embrace the European Muslims, as their birth rate is 3 times greater than non-Muslim Europeans. Better he work on converting them to Christianity though, before they overturn his religion. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 760
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, March 26, 2007 - 11:59 am: |
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Hi Fedor....
Well, in the EU there are more Non-Muslims than Muslims. And so the case
would be: that the Non-Muslims, even if they could produce 1-2 children, they
would still...Over/Out-populate the Muslims in the EU.
Edward. |
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