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    David_chance Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Thomas, I agree with you that those in America need to vote Bush out of office, but I don’t think that is enough. He and all those who misled the people into their war of conquest and murder should be arrested IMMEDIATELY and tried for crimes against humanity. This would serve to show all those who seek power in the first place that THEY WILL BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE for their actions in the name of the people they claim to represent. John Kerry, another war-monger, will come into office and continue the bloodshed and violence and endless meddling in the affairs of other nations. This must stop, regardless of political ideology. These irresponsible, arrogant, greedy, maniacal wolves in wool must never be allowed to obtain positions of power in the first place. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 15 Registered: 01-2004 |
Thomas, why worry at all? life goes on and before you, a billion mothers and fathers have lost there children to war a billion times over. When war happens, people die; that's the way it is. Cause and effect, right? why not look at the war (if it happens) as an opportunity to gain much experience and wisdom. Like they say, we have to suffer and make mistakes to find the right answer. so ww3 is just a teacher without a face, with a thousand lessons to teach. i dont mean to bring you down if that's what this post did, But i have taught myself to see the value in all, and chuck the worries in the trash. If everybody did this nobody would be fearful, only preparred and willing to learn. I've learned things the hard way too. I know what your feeling thomas, when you talk about the safety of your kid, i've lost numerous friends in numerous ways. Some where like brothers, and they died yet i look to the positive. Your son (i dont know if you have one, i assume you do)is alive, and you worry like he's already dead. Chase your fears and worries away with the knowledge that we always reincarnate for another round. thanks | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 42 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hey everybody, I just had a big question pop into my head after I read the Henoch Prophecies in And Still They Fly...the Plejarens have the ability to see into the future through spiritual and technical means, yet they refer to calculations about the war. Why haven't they just looked into the future to see whether or not it happens? Obviously they have over a billion people in their federation performing the Peace Meditation as I understand it so why don't they take the time to check this out and see whether or not the participation is necessary? I have a good guess about the answer to all of this. If you notice, the Plejarens do not lie, but sometimes they only give partial answers for various reasons. They always talk about probabilities and calculations when referring to the war. I think it is possible that they HAVE seen the future and the war does happen. Maybe they do not tell us so that we won't panic or give up on the Peace Meditation, which, as I recall, they said would lessen the severity of the war if it did happen. By only mentioning the calculations of probability, they avoid lying since those calculations do change with time. Any ideas/comments? I think this is an excellent and reasonable topic to question! Thomas | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2004 |
To Peter: No offense man, but part of what you said is just idiotic! "Why worry?!?!" Are you kidding!? I agree worry does not help yet doing nothing is nothing short of retarded! I do not mean to attack you, but I question whether or not you thought out your response...I may be wrong, but it is obvious to me that you likely have no children! Respectfully but adamantly, Thomas Hi Guys, Maybe we should relocate this conversation into a different topic area? What do you think..Possibly General/Non-FIGU/Misc...Scott | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 281 Registered: 01-2002 |
Thomas, The Plejarens know many things and as humans they are not allowed to intervene wholly for the purpose of saving our souls. Information is enough for them to lead us to a better way of thinking about ourselves. There are many things which are between them and Billy Meier and many things are not said. Is part of our growth and logical evollution which in my view seems to be a fair thing. Saalome and BE WELL to ALL 
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Jukdo Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 05-2004 |
Hello- Can anybody colloberate on two new books coming out in June 04, "Pleadian departure" and "through space and Time" Todd- | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 651 Registered: 02-2000 |
Todd, For all Figu English book info go here, http://www.steelmarkonline.com/ | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi to everyone i hope you are doing fine today i found in the news some interesting info regarding the discovery of a total of 33 moons in saturn (its supposed that the new ones are the smallest and are not visible from earth) in the book "And Still They Fly" it is said that there exists "19" moons + a large number of "Adonids" (with a diameter between 10-50 kilometers) which according to the plejarans do not qualify for being called moons (of course earth scientists have a lot to learn) (and are supposed to be fragments of the dissapeared planet Phaeton/Malona) well the problem is this: in Michael Horn´s website (it is in the "links" section of the FIGU website)it is said that is in contact "150" in which this is discussed while in ASTF it is said that is in contact "154" in MH´s website it is said that is was spoken about "29" moons while in ASTF it is written about only "19" (TRUE moons not "Adonids") so, someone must be wrong Does anybody owns this contact notes (150 or 154 Oct 1981)?????? Can anybody tell which information is correct???? thanks, and take care | ||
Joseph_emmanuel Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 05-2004 |
Some questions concerning the condition of marriage as propounded by the Plejarens in And Yet They Fly: According to AYTF the Errans practice sexual abstinence until they reach the age of 70, during which time they concentrate on their spiritual development. If two people come together after this period, feeling they can develop deeper feelings for one another, they must undergo a three-year period to prove their feelings are genuine. Afterwards, authorized specialists test them to determine whether or not they belong together. If they pass successfully they are permitted to unite in a bond of marriage. If they don’t pass they are not permitted to marry, since then their fundamental feelings for one another would not be genuine. During the three-year period preceding this test of marriage the persons concerned may meet each other once every seven days for several hours. They are free to spend their time as they wish, but sexual acts of any kind are not permitted until the intended marriage has undergone a test and is concluded. Also a purely personal rendezvous is not allowed. This situation, which lasts for 2 years, is intended to allow each person six days to fully consider everything they have experienced. During the third year of this three-year period, they must not see each other at all in order to give themselves enough time to ponder everything thoroughly. After this has been accomplished the test of marriage is undertaken. The Plejarens apparently take the condition of marriage very seriously. If adultery is committed the person who committed the act is sent into exile for the duration of his/her life. Personally I find this entire set up extremely formal, dull and controlling. I don’t see that individual freedom is practiced here at all. For all that has been said about natural sexual desire, and needing to express it rather than suppress it, this seems like a complete contradiction. The marital ritual that is practiced by the Errans I would relate to a religious ritual as practiced on Earth by many Muslims, Jews and Hindus, with the exception that the Errans don’t have arranged marriages, although that is debatable considering the long-winded process they have to go through, and even then with the blessing of ‘authorized specialists’. This is clearly based on directives and not Creational laws, as I am not aware of any animal that goes through such a process. That Errans practice sexual abstinence for the initial 70 years of their lives, and that they are not permitted to have sex with one another until they are married, or permitted to marry, suggests to me that, although the planet Erra has “unmarried people” as we do on Earth, none of these have sex with one another, for what is the purpose of undertaking a test of marriage if they are not to marry. Do they do this in order simply to have sex with one another? And if so, is the condition of being unmarried therefore no different to the condition of being married? The sentence “On Erra, they have unmarried people, as we do” seems to be confirming that these unmarried people partake in sexual activity. Yet it clearly states that they are not permitted to have sex until the test of marriage has been concluded. Either this is a contradiction or it is saying that the condition of being unmarried is no different to the condition of being married. Also, why do the Errans need permission to have sex with one another, or even to marry one another? This seems very controlling, and I can’t say that I agree with it. I’d sooner not marry at all than abide by such regulations, which I quite frankly find abhorrent and fundamentally religious in the sense of being institutional. From the standards of the Plejarans humans such as myself, who is sexually active in a steady relationship, are not necessarily following the correct directives, although we may be abiding by the laws of Creation. It bothers me somewhat that these people, who are overseeing our evolution and have some influence over us, aren’t necessarily as free as they like to make out to be. Certainly I agree that some rules and regulations need to be maintained, but really the test of marriage, and the restriction on sex, is an infringement on one’s privacy. It sounds too Victorian to me. And as for exiling someone for committing adultery – although this might affect another emotionally, I can’t see that it would hinder that person’s evolution, which is what really matters. Let’s hope that we don’t necessarily follow this path. Personally I think the Plejarens need to loosen up and not be so austere. I know they were lacking in humour in the past. Perhaps it’s not such a good idea that we look up to them so much, and allow them to influence our thinking. Should this take off in the future, and we use their way of life as a blueprint, I can’t see that it would have a positive affect on us. | ||
Jay Member Post Number: 345 Registered: 01-2002 |
Hi Joseph, You must really take into consideration that the Plejarens solved this issue in a CREATIONAL manner because of their own DNA and genetic abilites of living longer lives, an average of 1,000 yrs give or take. I can see the logic as to why they created a system of marriage which has its own birth control mechanism within sexual time lines and to me from my view is what they have done. The Plejaren system at this time in our evolution may not exist at all do to our Genetically manipulated problems from our ancient forefathers. So as you can see given that we do not live such long periods of time logically; their marriage system at this time would not be a good implemented idea. The Plejarens also practice safe controlled natural methods by which help control any pregnancy issues amongst females if free sex before marriage does happen. Marriage for the Plejarens only happens after the years past the 70s when if I understand their system correctly allows more an evolutionary level of partnership. I strongly feel that this is all done for population control and not for strict suppressing motives. Consdering also the idea that they are more spiritually evolved by many millions of years in their spirit-forms. I hope this helps you with a enhanced understanding to answer maybe some part of your question Saalome and BE WELL to ALL
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Michael_d Member Post Number: 85 Registered: 03-2003 |
Joseph, I don't know about you, but if I intended to remain married to the same person for upwards of 930 years, I'd like to be certain that we had more in common than just some momentary sexual attraction caused by a temporal alignment of the stars. Come to think of it, playing the field for 70 years doesn't sound like a half-bad idea at all. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi joseph i hope you are doing fine 1- i think you are a little confused about what is true freedom and order, if you want to learn more about this i recomend that you read the FIGU booklet called "Attacking questions from Japan", basically, without the proper order nothing can exist, not even the tiniest microoorganism, not even the smallest subatomic particle, if you observe with attention you will see that order is everywhere, (even things that we consider to be absolutely disordered/chaotic follow an order, are part of the rythim and are the opposite/complementary of something else, etc) 2-plejarans can have sex whenever they want to, according to billy (in the questions to billy section), the only requisite is that the two of them have good fellings for each other (which means that prostitution etc does not exist), when they love each other so much that they want to live together for the rest of their lives then they have to pass the proper tests 3-the tests are not a ritual and have nothing to do with religions, they were created scientifically by wise persons that know very much more than any earthling about the nature of the human being, about the body, the mind and the spirit, etc to not have sex during the tests is very good way to know if the two persons really love each other and avoid confusion(most earth human beings dont know what true love is, in a world where human beings follow the laws of creation and live with LOGIC, and the proper ORDER, true love flourishes everywhere) well my friend, if something is really sacred in this universe then it is love plejaran measures against adultery (and all the other crimes) are completely logical and allow the person to learn from his mistakes and evolve if you want to better understand why plejarans do the things they do then do this: close your eyes and begin to imagine that you live in a peaceful planet without wars, and without hate, with beatiful forests and clean air, in this planet you can work in anything you want to, in this planet you can learn whatever you want to learn, from this planet you can travel to any other place in the entire universe in seconds, or even to other universes . . . in this planet you can be yourself, you are free like a little child, you can be happy your entire life, from the very beginning to the end of your existence . . . in this place old people are wise, and young persons are healthy and beautiful every new day is a blesing every new day is like being in paradise tell me honestly if following the proper rules leads to this isn´t it logical to follow them??? isn´t it logical to create hard punishment for anyone who bring disorder into this heaven??? | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 699 Registered: 02-2000 |
On page 230-232 in ASTY Meier talks about a Giza influenced UFO group from Walport Oregon. I did some searching & guess who that group turns out to be? "Bo and Peep (Applewhite and Nettles) headed back up to the coast of Oregon. There the UFO cult began to take shape. In a series of haphazardly organized meetings along the way, they soon claimed one hundred and fifty (150) followers. The group that would one day be known as Heaven's Gate first gained national visibility as the result of the mysterious disappearance of approximately thirty (30) people following a public lecture about flying saucers in the small beach community of Walport, Oregon in the fall of 1975. For several weeks, the group was the focus of national media attention. Although little was known about the group, it was during this time period that the metaphor of"brainwashing" entered popular culture to explain the involvement of youth in cults and sectarian movements." http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/hgprofile.html I always had a feeling it was Heavens Gate who Meier was talking about, even though he never mentioned them by name. I finally got around to searching & found the answer. | ||
Celestialbrother New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 06-2006 |
In which countries around the globe is the book 'And they still fly' published..? | ||
Fainas New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 06-2007 |
Hello, I just received and read "And still they fly". In the book(page 121), Contact report #52 exerpt, it was mentioned that Semjase reviewed certain book, that belonged to certain Mr. S in Lindau. The title/author of the book was not mentioned, but I was wondering if anyone knows what is this book. Semjase also mentioned that the book should not be made accessible to broad human masses, but it might be ok in this case? | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 95 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hi Fainas That is a good question. Maybe, and this is only a maybe, it is referring to the book 'Kybalion' There is discussion on this forum about that book. Billy has also discussed this book, as Jakob mentions on this forum -- do a search and you will find the inclusions from this book, and Jakob's comments on it throughtout. You can download the book in PDF format from the net if you search. The author, uses pseudonyms on many of his books which are all rather interesting -- which I came across when searching another of his books, not realising he was the author of this one as well. I could be wrong here though and leading you astray :-) So, take this as only a suggestion. Someone else is likely to know the correct answer to your question. If not on this forum, then maybe on the German forum. If you find out, please let us know. in peace Robjna | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 308 Registered: 03-2004 |
Actually it was not the Kyballion. The illustrations from that book in the contact notes are not from the Kyballion. I have the illustrations from the book in question and probably will post them soon. My second son was just born so I am a bit busy at the moment. I believe that I even have the title of the book in question but I will need to dig it out. I also seem to remember that the author of the book in question was a woman, whereas someone with the pseudonym "Three Initiates" wrote the Kyballion text. | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 03-2003 |
The title of the book is not mentioned in contact #51 (when Billy gave Semjase the book to read) or in contact #52 (when Semjase gave him the book back) From what I understand, in short, is that the book here being talked about, from a theosophical standard, it is a particular worthwhile work with amazing truthful insight. The only information I can find about Professor Slomann, who sent Billy this book, is the link below where his name is mentioned in connection with the drawing. But I do not know if that has anything to do with the above book or not http://www.figu.org/ch/node/1148 Regards Kaare | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 310 Registered: 03-2004 |
About the book reviewed by Semjase, there was more than one that she reviewed. One was called "Brücke zur Freiheit" (means Bridge to Freedom in english) and there were charts from the book that she made notes and corrections on. These charts were included in the contact notes. It appears however that this is not the book you are refering to though. The book that was reviewed that Semjase said would be ok if an additional note of explanation was added was a book by Gloria Lee. The first book I mentioned was from a Mr Reiz if I recall correctly. I hope this is the info you were looking for. Sorry I didn't find it more quickly but as I said in an earlier post, I have been busy :-) Thomas | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 311 Registered: 03-2004 |
Oops, after looking yet again at the previous posts, I realized that even the two books I mentioned in my last post must not be the correct ones since neither was written by a Professor Slomman. If this man is the one from which BEAM got the drawing of the creational spiral, then I have no further information on that topic. Sorry for the confusion. My bad. It seems that Semjase reviewed several books in the early days apparently... Thomas | ||
Kaare Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Thomas, Professor Slomann only gave Billy the book. The author of the book is not mentioned. The only other place I can find Professor Slomann’s name mentioned is in connection with the drawing of the spiral universe ( http://www.figu.org/ch/node/1148) But whether this drawing is related to this book or something else is not stated. Since Semjase reviewed other books, below is her review of this one- again author or book title is not mentioned neither in contact 51 (when Billy gave the book to Semjase) nor in contact 52 ( when Semjase gave the book back to Billy and also gave her review of it.) From Plejadisch-plejarische Kontaktberichte, Gespraeche, Block 2 contact number 52 - 17 Mai 1976 (Block 2, page 150) (My unofficial English translation is beneath the original text in German) Semjase 14. Es war mir eine Freude, jetzt sieh aber hier, das Buch kannst du Herrn Professor Slomann in Lindau zurueckgeben. 14. It was a pleasure for me, but now look here, you can return this book to Professor Slomann in Lindau. 15. Aus theosophischer Sicht betrachtet ist es ein ausgesprochen wertvolles Werk mit erstaunlich wahrheitsmaessigen Erkenntnissen. 15.Considered from a theosophical point of view, it is an expressly worthwhile work with astonishingly truth corresponding recognitions. 16. Das Ganze ist eines guten Lobes wert, bestelle das bitte Herrn Slomann. 16. The whole thing is worthy of praise, and please forward this to Mr Slomann. 17. Trotz der ausgezeichneten Guete des Werkes ist jedoch anzubringen, das wenn das Buch dienlich sein soll, das Ganze in seiner Zusammensetzung umgeaendert werden sollte. 17. Despite the excellent quality of this work it has to be added, however, that if the book is to be useful, the whole in its composition should be changed around. 18. Das heisst, dass die Anordnung anders vorgenommen werden sollte, denn alles ist etwas untereinandergemischt. 18.This means, that the arrangement should be planned differently , as all is a little mixed together. 19. Alles sollte also reihenfolgerichtig eingeordnet werden. 19. All should therefore be arranged in correct chronological order 20. Und obwohl das Werk erstaunenswert gut und wahrheitsmaessig ist, sollte es keinen Einlass in die breite Masse der Menscehn finden, denn diese ist noch nich faehig, alle diese Auslegungen und Darlegungen zu erfassen und zu verstehen. 20. And even though the work is astonishingly good and according to the truth, it should not find acceptance to the broad public, because it still is not capable of conceiving and understanding all these explanations and interpretations. 21. Das Werk ist nur geeignet fuer Menschen, die sich bereits einen hoeheren Wissens- und Verstehensstand angeeignet haben. 21. This work is only suited for human beings who already have acquired a higher level of knowledge and understanding. 22. Wuerde es daher unter die breite, noch unverstehende Masse gebracht, dann koennte dies Wirrnis hervorrufen, was der ganzen Aufklaerung sehr undienlich waere. 22. Thus were it to be brought among the broad, still not understanding mass, this would cause confusion, which would be very unhelpful for the whole enlightenment. 23. Eigentliches Verstehen wird das Werk erst in etwa 150 bis 200 Jahren finden, so lautet die Berechnung der Wahrscheinlichkeit. 23. This work will find actual understanding first in about 150 to 200 years, as this results from the calculation of probability. Unquote Regards Kaare | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1145 Registered: 02-2000 |
Is this the book? Why We are Here, a being from Jupiter Through the Instrumentation of Gloria Lee (Spiral-bound) by Lee, Gloria J.W. (Author) My Website | ||
David_chance Member Post Number: 128 Registered: 03-2003 |
Hi Norm, I think that is not the book. Gloria Lee's book is mentioned earlier in the contacts (Contacts 23, 24, 28, 29, 34, 51) and was reviewed by Semjase. Summary from Contact 23: A booklet by Gloria Lee [Gloria Lee Byrd; Cosmon Research Foundation; "Why Are We Here by J.W. a Being From Jupiter Through the Instrumentation of Gloria Lee", 1959] - has some value & is recommended to read for those searching for truth, but also has many fantasies (especially concerning "godly spheres"); for those who are more highly developed it is worthless; it is not inspired writing but originates from the thinking of the author who suffered self-delusion; Meier & his group exhorted to produce a guide for understanding this worthwhile book [Hans Jacob translated her 2 books into German in 1980 & 1981]. Summary from Contact 28: Gloria Lee's book - Quetzal reiterates what Semjase explained about this book & author, adding that Hans Jacob has disseminated the book without the introduction the Plejaren had advised to be produced. Summary from Contact 29: Gloria Lee's book should not be spread without an introduction & explanation, though it was, which can be dangerous due to some of the fantasies contained within. There is some further information about Gloria Lee at Daniel Fry's website (search "Gloria Lee" in the text): http://danielfry.com/?1193 |
