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    Creational Member Post Number: 291 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Rod, Wow, you pretty much covered all there is. There is a lot of debate concerning fluoride in the medical field of which many are biased, yet most dentists recommend it, or else! I have read horror stories about the ones who don't. My personal opinion without getting too technical or render any medical or political opinion? I don't use fluoride toothpaste. I have not found enough convincing data regarding the benefit of using this dangerous and questionable element. Dental health of Europeans equates Americans if not better, and they don’t use Fluoride in their toothpaste. (At least, this is what some studies claim.) It is astonishing to me that some of the infant drinking waters sold in Walmart and other stores have added fluoride. I wonder what Billy’s opinion is regarding fluoride. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Indi Member Post Number: 301 Registered: 06-2006 |
Rod It seems clear that fluorine/fluoride is a naturally occurring mineral in the human animal body, and has been classified as an essential mineral. The fact that fluoride is found in food, soil, naturally, would indicate that it is something that in the appropriate amounts, is going to be utilized by the body, for its balanced function. Although I have had very strong opinions about fluoride in the 80's, due to certain press about it being a byproduct of aluminium smelting and being sold as a way of profiting for these companies etc...... those days were before I studied the medical and health sciences. So, today, I am a little more cautious about drawing conclusions from anti- everything lobbies and am more inclined to read the original research, and form my own conclusions based on the findings presented. To call fluourine/fluoride a poison and therefore something to avoid, is not appropriate, unless discussing which particular form it is in, and with the proviso that it is a poison only in amounts considered toxic. This applies to any chemical or mineral. The fluorine/fluoride in the water systems is Sodium fluoride, which is not the same as Calcium fluoride or more specifically a calcium-fluora-phosphate, which is found in nature. So, on that note, I will stick to some facts. 99% of fluoride found in the body is localized in the bones and teeth, the balance is in the soft tissue including the blood. In the Luke study, she clearly states in her discussion section of the paper that: There was no correlation between pineal fluoride and bone fluoride. Therefore, unlike bone, pineal fluoride concentrations are not indicators of long-term fluoride exposure and body burden. Pineal fluoride, however, was significantly correlated with pineal calcium. Luke, goes on to say in her conclusion, that "calcification of the developing enamel organs and the pineal gland occur concurrently." There are possible implications for the affect of Fluorine/Calcium ratios on physiology of the cells, and also whether young children are having higher than expected ratios, and thus interfering with the balance of melatonin secretion etc... However, firm conclusions cannot be drawn just from this one study or from all the others at this time. One thing I do find of interest to this pineal gland function/hypertrophy discussion, is that in lower animals, the pineal controls seasonal reproduction, and a lot of this has to do with the amount of light that is detected through the eyes, and then affecting the secretion of the hormones of the pineal, to make sure that animals are born in spring, when their chances of survival are greatest. In the case of humans, maybe this can explain why blind people are often able to be particularly sensitive to vibrations and therefore be able to manouvre through the environment, and other such abilities that are enhanced in the blind. It has been found that the pineal can be activated in certain test animals, by 13 hours of darkness. This could also explain those experiements that have been done in those rooms devoid of light -- where people's experiences were quite amaazing. This was also done in the great pyramid if I remember correctly -- well, one of the Giza pyramids at least. This is also a good reason to make sure that one meditates in a completely darkened room! And, that whilst one sleeps, that the room is made as dark as possible. There are many discussions about the deleterious effects of constant light stimulus to the brain, even with the eyes closed. There are many intersting studies done, showing the effects of not haveing enough fluoride or having the pineal gland prevented from functioning by surgical intervention. It is all still unclear though. But, it is definite that the function of the pineal is associated with 'light' and that it needs to vibrate in sync with the pituitary as part of its function. The hydroxyapatite crystaline structure, is also in our bones, not just the pineal, and other structures of the body even the sinus linings I think. And so, fluoride will be a component of all these structures as well. The fluorine/calcium ratio is the unit of balance in this situation. It is possible that the pineal gland controls reproduction in humans, and that as we age, we have more calcification and thus fluorine, and that this guarantees that we will not reproduce for too long, and so a natural population control organ :-) We humans can override a lot of bodily autonomic functions due to frontal lobe function, and surgical interventions etc... that lower animals are still subject to, and maybe this is our challenge -- to make sure that the ones we override are beneficial in the long term. I will go make a cup of tea, and get my dose of fluoride that way :-) Robyn | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 292 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Charles and Ramirez, Thanks for sharing. This is quite a fascinating subject matter. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 294 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Rod, I also wanted to ask if you have heard about the connection between former Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld, flouride and Aspartame? I remember reading about it while ago. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 101 Registered: 06-2008 |
Rod. Somewhere you stated a concern about personal health issues .... cant find the post. Anyway, if you are interested in an alternate healing method which can deliver tangible results investigate Reconnective Healing. http://www.thereconnection.com/ I recommend it from personal experience but each case is different. Having no expectations in combination with a dedicated practitioner (avoid types who dabble with multiple healing modalities, offer counseling or are obviously associated with the new age healing industry) will yeild the most beneficial results which can be amazing as they were for me. Cheers. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 778 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Thank you Ramirez. in a quick read through the FAQs, this 'Reconnection Healing' looks quite promising. I have bookmarked the home page to study further into this. Zhila and Robyn, thank you for sharing your opinions. Salome *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 102 Registered: 06-2008 |
Dear Zhila. Your answer regarding Rumsfeld & Aspartame. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OT-OKs09oaU&feature=related http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd0Z-AynaBY Cheers. | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 477 Registered: 12-2004 |
Can I remind you guys we are on the FIGU Forum! Peace, Badr | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 781 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Thank you Badr. Yes, we are ever mindful - the intended purpose of FIGU Forum. Is only to express - referenced discussions of the PINEAL, what affects this gland, what can be done to protect this organ and improve it's function, it's inestimable value in Telepathy and Human Psychic abilities, are all relevant to our Spiritual Progress. Other discussions related to the Body, do also seem appropriate to this Forum section: The Body. Especially in concern to the DNA, the longevity thereof, the repair of genetic damage imposed on us by the Sirian Overlords. In Peace ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 782 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** A revealing article on Fluorine/fluoride...: [ "Standard Oil New York, Paul Warburg, Chairman of the federal reserve and brother of Max Warburg, financier of Germany’s War effort, Herman Metz, a director of the Bank of Manhattan, controlled by the Warburgs, and a number of other members, three of which were tried and convicted as German war criminals for their crimes against humanity. "In 1939 under the Alted agreement, the American Aluminum Company (ALCOA), then the worlds largest producer of sodium fluoride, and the Dow Chemical Company transferred its technology to Germany. Colgate, Kellogg, Dupont and many other companies eventually signed cartel agreements with I.G. Farben, creating a powerful lobby group accurately dubbed "the fluoride mafia"(Stephen 1995). "At the end of World War II, the US government sent Charles Eliot Perkins, a research worker in chemistry, biochemistry, physiology and pathology, to take charge of the vast Farben chemical plants in Germany. The German chemists told Perkins of a scheme which they had devised during the war and had been adapted by the German General Staff. "The German chemists explained of their attempt to control the population in any given area through the mass medication of drinking water with sodium fluoride, a tactic used in German and Russian prisoner of war camps to make the prisoners "stupid and docile" (Stephen 1995). Farben had developed plans during the war to fluoridate the occupied countries because it was found that fluoridation caused slight damage to a specific part of the brain, making it more difficult for the person affected to defend his freedom and causing the individual to become more docile towards authority. "Fluoride remains one of the strongest anti-psychotic substances known, and is contained in twenty-five percent of the major tranquilizers. It may not seem surprising that Hitler’s regime practiced the concept of mind control through chemical means, but the American military continued Nazi research, exploring techniques to incapacitate an enemy or medicate an entire nation. As stated in the Rockerfeller Report, a Presidential briefing on CIA activities, "the drug program was part of a much larger CIA program to study possible means of controlling human behavior"(Stephen 1995)." ] -- (emphasis added /Rod) -- Source: http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=14949 Thank you Zhila.! Well, we know also that "Operation Paperclip" after WW-II brought many of those German Engineers and Technicians to the USA. Soon after, the mass Fluoridation began here then spread Globally. Mind Control, Anyone? To add, from my personal experience, myself born in 1946, I had no exposure to ENHANCED FLUORIDATION until my mid-twenties. I ate many things I found growing wild in the forests, and drank from natural springs bubbling up through Granite rocks. Food from stores in those days had only the natural levels of Fluoride. My IQ, by several tests and measures, is above 98% of the general population. I have always had natural psychic abilities, which continue into my current age. The Fluorine/Fluoride I obtained, was obtained from these natural sources. The Fluoride (Sodium Fluoride) added to drinking water now. is several hundred times greater then natural Fluoride in foods or untreated water. Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 478 Registered: 12-2004 |
Hi again Rod, I still don't see why you are continuing the discussion on Fluoride? If you would mention FIGU sources I wouldn't be commenting. Let me try to bring you my point in another way, if I was an outsider and have no ties to FIGU and came to a FIGU forum I would expect to discuss FIGU related issues and their views on various topics. I wouldn't be interested in for example fluoride and its relation to the Germans or Rumsfeld, because if I wanted to read about it I would look for a forum that discusses minerals and their effects, history and so on. Peace, Badr | ||
Kiwiseeker Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 08-2006 |
Thanks Robyn and Others, for your worthy contributions. Thanks Zhila and Robyn for your SB 38 translation references. The Luke study I came across previously Robyn and it contains a lot of interesting info. I also came across an article re blind people and their navigational ability possibly being attributed to the pineal gland. I also found: Seventy percent of bone is made up of the inorganic mineral hydroxylapatite. Carbonated-calcium deficient hydroxylapatite is the main mineral of which dental enamel and dentin are comprised. Hydroxyapatite crystals are also found in the small calcifications (within the pineal gland and other structures) known as corpora arenacea or 'brain sand'. Recent information on the role of the pineal organ in humans suggests that any agent that affects pineal function could affect human health in a variety of ways, including effects on sexual maturation, calcium metabolism, parathyroid function, postmenopausal osteoporosis, cancer, and psychiatric disease. The single animal study of pineal function [Luke] indicates that fluoride exposure results in altered melatonin production and altered timing of sexual maturity. Results strengthen the hypothesis that the pineal has a role in the timing of the onset of puberty. I didn't want to get onto the pros and cons of fluoride, but I believe we get enough from a normal diet and I steer clear of any additional input. I have researched the topic and support Rod 100% on this issue - thanks for the resource! Like Zhila, I also have stopped using fluoride toothpaste. Queensland in OZ is going to mass medicate the population with fluoride. Fortunately here in Masterton,N.Z., that is not so. Rod, you write "Fluorine will alter the resonate frequency of the crystals ...". Is that your opinion, or did you see this somewhere? Some good references thanks Ramirez. I have already studied much of Tom Bearden's writings, especially in terms of `free energy`! Another topic he covers is `Biological Transmutation`- about 30 years ago I bought a much treasured book on this written by Prof Louis Kervran and Tom Bearden gives credit to L.K. and gives some theoretical ideas re the process. As a physicist (if I may humbly describe myself as such) I am convinced that elements are transmutated by organisms, which provide a low energy pathway. Charles | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 298 Registered: 09-2008 |
Daer Badr, I do appreciate your point of view and concern, but as Rod pointed out, this entire debate started with questions pertaining to pineal gland piezoelectric characteristics, spirituality, Billy's remarkable Special Bulletin # 38, and the fluoride effect on crystals, which are all in turn different pieces of this puzzle or the issue at hand. I apologize, for I am guilty of bringing Rumsfeld into this but somehow, the dirty politics played are indeed a part of the whole puzzle, and in direct relation to Billy‘s material; this great ongoing debate on SB # 38 related to pineal gland has all the other subjects embedded within. However, at the end of the day, it shall be your call, and it will be honored.  Salome Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 783 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hi Badr, Yes, well there have been many other discussions on the subject of Fluoride, and also it's relation to the Pineal organ. All of which don't specifically mention any of the FIGU materials, and yet are related to the Fluidal Forces, to the Telepathy, to the genetic manipulations &c, which are in the FIGU materials. So all IS in relationship, but not in such a way as to point at it in a direct manner. The relationships are found by logical cross-referencing the teachings with other sources and prior posts in virtually every other Forum section. These are only two of dozens & dozens of examples - prior discussions, posts, references &c...: This one posted by GaiaGuys in response to an (old) discussion and questions...: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/9744.html#POST25767 Here, for your reference, is one posted by our good friend Scott Baxter...: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/2049.html#POST2921 I certainly do not mean to be obtuse here, nor to belabor these points, but the discussions on these subjects do lead to further investigations into the Teachings from Billy. In particular, the aspects of the Spirit - Mind - Body of great interest. In Peace Salome ***** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 479 Registered: 12-2004 |
I have seen it happen so many times, one can talk about a topic in relation to FIGU within two posts it can be about something completely different. Reason is loss of focus. Your references are old, and I don't see why you need to mention it. Conclusion is discussion went a bit too far from FIGU, and I think it should be brought back to its relation to FIGU. Everything is interconnected, don't remember I said anything different. I have a simple request keep the topics in the frame of FIGU, occasionally things are let through, but that doesn't mean the forum is here to discuss everything and anything, it is here to discuss FIGU related issues and views. Not sure how else to explain it... kind of starting to lose hope in bringing a point across without it being twisted and turned into something else. So in other words your next post should be leading back to the teachings or writings of FIGU or it wont be approved. And as usual, don't take it personal, its easy to get out of topic. Just trying to make sure people remember its a FIGU forum. Ofcourse everyone will have his own views on how it should be managed. Peace.. Badr | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 104 Registered: 06-2008 |
Badr. Billy is only too aware of various forces holding back the development of humanity. In these discussions about Flouride I believe Rod is shining an intelligently focused light towards the participants, proponents and practitioners of those forces which intend harm against humanity and the means through which they carry out their instructions on various levels. This discussion is intelligent, thought provoking, backed by sources, on topic. I agree this is not a conspiracy theory forum but if limitations are placed on the sharing of information & expression of ideas .... "Even today there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating it's arbitrary restrictions" John F Kennedy 1961 Cheers. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 788 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Well, Guys, I surrender. I'm just a tired-out old man now, and I'm tired of getting WHIPPED and LASHED for expressing ideas. I've grown up in a country where FREE SPEECH is the expected normal, and The Rights of the People Shall Not be Infringed is the Law-of-the-Land. WE don't chop peoples' heads off here in this land. So stick a fork in me, I'm done. Carry on *** You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped) Rod | ||
Badr Moderator Post Number: 481 Registered: 12-2004 |
Why do you see it as a challenge Rod, I don't know how to put it in simpler words. And as always you guys have to interpret my action as taking your freedom away! Is it only me! or is it so hard to understand that the forum is for FIGU related information discussion? If you really need to discuss many other things not related to FIGU then why not make a forum or a blog of your own, and invite people to join you there? Why do you feel the need to have FIGU forum a place for you and others to do what every you like? And last but not least, if it really causes you a problem to stick to the rules or think I am not following FIGU's action then why not contact Christian or another core group member and complain about how the forum is run. Because from experience my request usually goes on deaf ears. As I seem to repeat myself again and again. Peace.. | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 479 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey there badr, may i add in a few cents? i have noticed that certain people feel the need to associate the meier material with other somewhat related topics... you and scott often ask politely to stick to the topic and in my opinion you guys get slapped in the face. i agree this is a figu forum, and allthough sometimes going off topic is beneficial, it's not often, and to very little degree. i think you should simply block certain posts and not feel guilty about it. i wont name names but anybody who reads can see certain individuals often if not always stray off topic. | ||
Creational Member Post Number: 303 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dears Rod, Charles, Robyn, and Ramirez, Thank you guys for all the great informations you shared. salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 44 Registered: 06-2006 |
hey J_Rod thanks for that info. on flouride - informative as always - also wondering about something - would be interested in your take on it - you always have a fairly comprehensive view on things! (but also anyone else for that matter) one of the first questions i asked billy on the 'questions to billy answered' was in relation to whether or not he knew anything about the 'Reconnection' healing - started by this guy called Eric Pearl. anyway i just got a generic 'billy doesn't know respose' - which is fair enough i suppose. (should have known better really but at that time was knew to the forum and have a better idea now i think as to ask questions that might be more specific to billy's info) anyway just always had it in my head that something qutie very unusual was going on here in this respect - the story as to how it all got started is quite bizarre. (book is a must read) & for quite some time - to people who know me really well i've often been saying that the two most interesting people on the planet are ERic Pearl and of course - our own one and only Billy. but anyway more significantly - very recently i finally got around to havnig a treatment done (have been working on some health issues for a good while - its slow work but getting there i think!) - anyway in essence i can guarantee or confirm that - yes there is indeed quite a very strange and inexplicable phenomenon going on here. to explain a bit more - i have had in the past had various energy work done on me - eg Reiki and so forth - so quite used to this kind of thing in terms of how it is experienced - anyway to cut to the chase - when i was having Reconnection done - (one should know that there are a few distinct tell tale signs that the healing effect is kicking off - these being twitching toes or fingers or else a sensation of wind or breeze) well anyway i definitly experienced the WIND effect. It was the darndest thing - just very VERY unusual and peculiar to say the least. A very palpable/tangible SWOOSHING sound/effect crossing over my forehead. Also other things too - but i wont go into it all. there are lots of clips on youtube that may serve to tell more about reconnection - surely is interesting from a health point of view. Anwyay from my own perspective - would love to know just how reconnection fits into the Meier cosmological world view - as ok billy's info. is against channeling and all that - thats a given - yet the reconnection for me now is experientially real - yet problem issue - as according to what the practictioners are saying is that during the healing session it is effecting DNA changes - and that apparently if one goes on further with it - one can perhaps make oneself available - to universal energy streaming down into oneself - ie hence the name 'reconnection'.. to universal energies i suppose (as new age and flaky as it sounds!) - Also I suppose not too dissimilar to Reiki in that sense. Yet, allegedly - this type of hitherto unavailable 'New' frequency is much more potent - and apparently many of the healings have been extremely dramatic - whereupon much scientific investigation is transpiriing. anyway perhaps some light can be shed on it by forum members - in terms of what may be of may be occuring here. (Now that i know it is real - surely there must be some LOGIC to it - thus my logical rational side is seeking to take the hocus pocus out of it!) Saalome. | ||
Bianca Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2009 |
I have searched in the archives for Full Moon and its effects on our human body but came out empty handed, does anyone understand how physics influences the phases of the Moon thus affecting the human mind/body? There are reports that criminality is increased and all sorts of other occurrences too. I am asking because i have charted my own experiences and found that it is not my imagination and that the effects are indeed pronounced so to counteract them i find that meditation strengthens the consciousness but i feel either up or down according to the Moon phases but not as down as i use to feel when i didn't know about meditation. SO in that respect i am glad that these help but i would like to have a broader understanding as to how this happens? Thanks, | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 352 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi Bianca Billy has said that he isn´t very interested in astrology so there might not be too much specific information on the subject basically one´s will and thought power is more important and decisive than any external circumstance only it has been explained that as practiced today astrology only shows very vague results. . . i have also noticed that sometimes people behave strangely and accidents and fights occur more frequently when certain stars (or planets) are brighter in the sky, also have read in one chinese medicine book about planets their brightness, color, etc and their relationship with climate and this with health and mood of people and so on, but it is a very complex system and one needs to have very deep knowledge on the subject for this to become really useful. take care |
