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Creational
Member
Post Number: 183
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 03:44 pm: | 
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Dear Thomas,
Hello and Thank you for your post # 599. I do appreciate your honesty; but I like to respectfully respond since the term dear, dearest and so on is usually related to either my posts or responds to them.
1. The use of the word dear in correspondences has always been a standard in English language.
2. Being respectful is a good trait and is a way of life in my family’s culture. Some of the responses or frank non-responses here, from my point of view are plain impolite; but who am I to judge?
3. The members that I address more affectionately, I do have more of a personal relation with beyond the forum.
4. Although we are all from different walks of life here, but in my opinion, we are generally sharing something beyond the everyday forums in the internet. I sometime feel I am with a group of ‘soul-mates’, for the lack of a better word. We do share something profound here.( this is the only forum that I have ever been active in for this very reason.)
5. Advancement in spirit, demands utter respect (Please note the conversations in contact notes.). As a physician, in radiological diagnostics, I was disciplined to consider every lesion malignant until it is proven otherwise; however, in my personal life, I always consider everyone good until it was proven otherwise. Unless people directly insult me, I consider them good in nature and deal with them accordingly.
6. Time and again, I personally noticed that there is a hidden apprehension/fear here to shy away from being cultishly spellbound, to avoid following the old path of idolization and false teaching. But in my opinion, there is a fine line between, attempting to be respectfully positive neutral and disrespectfully and impolitely negatively neutral. Let try not to cross it.
Generally, I care and think about every post here; so, I have noticed a great degree of intelligence in your particular posts. Therefore, your comments are weighted accordingly including this one. By that I mean that there must be a misleading reflection echoing my posts that caused you to take the time and write this post. I will be more careful in order to avoid that but I really rather be this way than rude. Your feedback is highly appreciated.
Last but not least, what’s wrong with softening the often masculine and coarse tone of this forum every once in a while. 
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Thomas
Member
Post Number: 606
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 05:17 pm: |
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Hello Rod. Read my post more carefully please in full. I said "It is a false way of expressing oneself, even if good intentions are meant, if one doesn't speak in a way that accords the truth of the situation."
IF one doesn't speak in a way that accords to the truth. This is no judgement but a mere fact since if you use language that is false in relation to the reality, then you are communicating in a false way. If the post doesn't apply to you because you know someone you have used these terms with, then why did you respond to the post? As I said it was directed at noone in particular. Neither you, nor Zhila, unless these comments apply to you, should feel addressed if by chance you do. I f something doesn't apply to you, maybe it is best to take note and then let it pass.
Zhila thank you for your consideration of what I was trying to say, but honestly, your posts were not in any way those which triggered my post. I appreciate your views and comments in any case :-) |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 616
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 05:35 pm: |
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Thomas, further, in respect to your stated:
" This is not an attack or critique of anyone. It is only my view...
"When we address others, it should of course always be with respect. However, it is not a true sign of respect to use language that doesn't correspond to the actual state of things."
You are, in Truth, making a "critique of anyone," actually a critique of EVERYONE. If ALL salutation, whether of endearment or a simple 'hello', and the 'sign-off' also, were eliminated, this forum would become a very cold place. As Sergent Friday used to say: "Just the facts, we will only have the facts." Well, following your line of 'logic,' we should have no opinions, no free-thinking outside of the facts. We could all come here and just throw facts back and forth at each other.
Gimme a break. Can you find a soft place in your heart? Does Love have a place there for others?
No Salome for you, you come in a spirit of Negativity.
Peace to everyone else, Salome
>>>***<<<
You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 93
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 08:34 pm: |
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Here we are again , the area of touchiness that I have found myself in from time to time .
You get fed up with the way some people consistently take the position of fault finding of Billy and the Plejaren , but in my view , this is a great feature of them ; that they are human , subject to mistakes like everyone else , except in their case , magnified by the intensity of the material , in some people's view . Myself , I make mistakes between millions and billions all the time , since I rarely think in those terms , whether it be miles or money .
Actually sir , I waved when I typed my post to you , so sorry that you were slighted by my lack of proper greeting , and dearest forum member , I don't suppose that I know you well enough to call you 'dear' anything . But Zhila is right , 'dear who it may concern' is how I was taught to address companies whenever writing a letter to a city uliity company , for example .So familiar names should be no different . If I can remember specifics about certain people's particularities , i will certainly use it .
Everyone :
Please accept my well intentioned wish for everyone to be happy in themselves , so that whenever someone posts an angry accusation , mispeels a word , or any other such thing , that you could take the high road and let them find their own course correction before everyone becomes faulty . " Whoever you really are " , as I have used recently , is another one . It's a defensive response , and I can visualize a better response , but one "with a smile" would be the best altogether . I keep thinking of how short of a time we are here on earth , so a usefull skill would be the one that ducks are naturally equipped with ; to let things "flow off your back" , and away from your mind .
Well intentioned ; I hope to apply this to my own responses , but I feel it's worthy to mention whenever the well trained cobra head of reason raises it's hypno-head ( or when it doesn't ).
Salome to everyone , Mark |
Borthwey
Member
Post Number: 68
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, February 07, 2009 - 09:32 pm: |
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Zhila: “As a physician, in radiological diagnostics, I was disciplined to consider every lesion malignant until it is proven otherwise; however, in my personal life, I always consider everyone good until it was proven otherwise. Unless people directly insult me, I consider them good in nature and deal with them accordingly.”
That’s quite a wise approach in both fronts. One gets much better responses from people when approaching them in the best faith. Eventually a better response than the person him/herself is used to provide. There is value in not letting oneself be overcome by the other’s negativity for both parts.
As for Thomas’s post 599, it does seem a bit like gratuitous criticism, even if allegedly with the best intentions. Also, a direct reference to the posts/posters in question could have been made, if this was really meant to be so neutral-positive.
The overall friendly tone here is nice and I haven’t really noticed forced conventions in the ways of addressing others…
David Guerra
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Mattopenminds
Member
Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, February 08, 2009 - 03:55 am: |
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Hi Thomas,
"When we address others, it should of course always be with respect. However, it is not a true sign of respect to use language that doesn't correspond to the actual state of things."
I'm sorry you don't actually feel respect for others on this forum, despite feeling that a person should respect others, despite your real hidden feelings. That can't be an easy position for you to be in. I respect you. With your recent posts, you have got some interesting debates going.
Peace
Matt |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 623
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 09, 2009 - 02:59 pm: |
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*******
For All-Ah-We: 
Salome
*******
You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Schantz
Member
Post Number: 27
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, March 07, 2009 - 07:59 am: |
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Moderators,
These three sections in the archives under translations are empty.
Archive through November 14, 2008
Archive through November 18, 2008
Archive through December 12, 2008
Dear Schantz,
The posts were moved to 2008 so the archive is shorter.
Peace.. Badr |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 427
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 06:29 am: |
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Jose from the Translations section:
"Dear Very Special Friends of FIGU you my friends know to which I am directing this \i {\red KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCK, WHO IS THERE??? ... so to speak...
This is just a Teaser....
..This important document is in the process of translation...it has more than thirty pages if printed...you humankind will learn WHO you humankind really are... because the True Prophet NEVER EVER lies and he is not a liar as you state and slander out there."
You go too far sir. I have never called Billy a liar as anyone who reads my posts can clearly see for themselves. I have the utmost respect for Billy and his teachings and it is for this reason why I go through the extra steps necessary to insure they are not misinterpreted. You on the other hand, are slandering me by accusing me of calling Billy a liar. I am asking you kindly and directly to cease and desist your slanders immediately for I do not see how anything ever productive will come of it and it misrepresents the essence of what the teachings are about. If you continue to misrepresent and slander me in this public forum, I shall write to Billy directly.
Bob |
Jbarreto
Member
Post Number: 32
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 09:05 am: |
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correction.
I did not do nothing for this person!
I am not talking to you! You are unfortunatelly mistaken and seeing things which ARE NOT directed to you and seeings which ARE NOT there.
Where is your name there please point it there to everyone to see it Sir!
AS I said I am not talking TO YOU SIR!!
And besides ou do not know WHAT THAT THING IS ABOUT!!
And Mister LEAVE ME ALONE!!!
Yes do WRITE to Billy in person then he will read what I wrote there and will see I am INNOCENT !! Please! LEAVE ME ALONE!!! Forget I do exist and follow your way!!! LEEAVE ME ALONE!!!! PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASSSSSSSSSEE! I DID NOT CALLED YOU NOTHING!!!! READ THERE TO SEE!!! YOU ARE SEEING THINGS OR TAKING DRUGS???
José Barreto Silva
That which glitters is born for the moment;
The genuine remains intact for future days.
von Goethe
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1725
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 10:32 am: |
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Alright,
Please control this conversation!, or either of your future posts will not be posted.
Scott |
Hector
Member
Post Number: 482
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 11:50 am: |
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Billy Meier has written tons about human psychology and human behaviour. Seems like both of you missed that part....And please, leave your cathedral sized egos at the entrance before you comment.
Jose, I truly appreciate your efforts trying to protect and safeguard the words of Billy, the last, seventh prophet and his masterpiece Omfalon Murado but i think there is no need to behave like the Spanish Inquisition here. The teachings, as long as they remain intact in their original German format, they protect themselves.
We're friends here. At least we're people who speak an infallible common language, the language of the spirit teachings. Please do not ruin the good atmosphere and comradeship which is supposed to reign in this place. Besides, everybody is entitled to interpret the teachings in his own personal way, as long as he does not try to force others to accept his own interpretation. We all know human beings have to make mistakes in order to grant evolution.
The only case in which i would act like the spanish inquisition is in the case somebody would consciously falsify and alter the original German text. That was not Bob's case. |
Creational
Member
Post Number: 274
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 06:08 pm: |
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Dear Bob,
Dear José,
Both of you are great contributors to this forum and the challenge you both created helped us all in our advancement.
Materialistic humanly challenges, due to their physical characteristics have an intrinsic duality unlike the non-material characteristics, such as that of the Creation, that are not functions of time and space, hence no duality. So the bad news is that there is no way out of the negative aspect of any challenge, but the good news is that we all should learn from them.
Although this recent friction caused some unpleasant abrasions and scrapes during the debate, but the very nature of the challenge polished the issue thus contributed to advancement of all of us.
Now, all we have to do is to look at the positive aspect of this two sided challenge and learn the invaluable lesson.
So, I thank you both for the debate and invite you to concentrate on the positive aspect of this recent dispute.
Salome,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 260
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2009 - 11:14 pm: |
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Greetings dear friends, moderators and fellow members,
Phi_spiral(Bob) and Barreto: i join member Creational/Zhila here.
Bob, it can lead to misunderstanding and misinterpretation - with regard to the context - and your reaction could be understood in that specific light, but José Barreto Silva refered indeed to a message he sent me in private.
I take the liberty to reproduce some related parts of it here(without Barreto's email, for privacy), with the hope, that you both would still longer(you actually have no choice: we are here to stay and interact, each way) appreciate the privilege and responsibility of studying, discussing and protecting the Words of The Prophet.
Hereby then:
"From: TS Seeker(NOTE: this is José Barreto Silva)
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2009 4:00:18 AM
To: Izak-Sunna Adam (aepsilonm@hotmail.com)
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Hallo!
KNOCK, KNOCK, KNOCK! WHO IS THERE???
Wer ist da???
Beste Empfelung auch von meine teil verehrter Herr Adam,
Sagten Sie dann: "...Ich möchte Ihnen meinen herzlichen Dank zollen für Ihren Einsatz auf dem Forum und für jene ganz lehrreichen Übersetzungen...."
Lieber
FIGU-Freund nicht so 'informal" zu sein mein Freund. Bitte du kannst dann Du benutzen.
Vielen danke Herr Adam Ich bin sehr froh, und es ist ein Vergnügen für mich um anderen FIGU-Mitgliedern zu helfen, um die Mission zu verbessern verstehen. Ja![...]
I am in the process of finishing a HUGE translation which I hope indeed that Michael Horn himself will put it online - this one is some sort of ULTIMATUM from the Prophet to the Whole Humankind. I antecipate here to you all that WHOLE CITIES will be engulfed, swallowed by the earth because THE PROPHET says the earth will open and will swallow whole cities at once. The translation in its whole has more or less 30 pages if you print it and this one I am striving myself to be the state-of-the-art so to speak because I am checking hundreds of time for typos, grammar errors and such. I translated it word by word, line by line and also choosed the word that most fit to the whole ULTIMATUM MESSAGE for the Third Millenium to this humankind.. Besides Michael´s website has the hugest number of visitors/hits per minute I ever seen it is amazing indeed.
As Billy says in these texts I am almost finishing certain people is IN TRUE FEAR of what they are reading in Billy´s Message but they hide it inside themselves the cowards.[...]
As I was saying, the Members of the FORUM now are more intelligent persons, the way they write, the way they formulate their questioning in regards to the Truth and now more and more very specific passages which also I have translated myself and which I have pin pointed adn picked with care to post there one of these days that are directed to these - now I use the words which the Member Earthling have used - the real Top Dogs Eaters of Human Flesh and Drinkers of Human Blood will read.
[...]
(NOTE: Barreto was speaking here(above) of 'people' outside of FIGU/the forum - the so called 'Power-that-be', who would be anonymously visiting our forum - no wonder! the forum is open and the topics are hot!)
The Only True and Last Prophet of Planet EARTH there will no more not even in millions of years another one BILLY is the LAST one for the LAST time as it written in the OM BOOK.
Therefore... Knock Knock Knock! Who is there? The Edge of The Abyss Humankind at your door to snatch your soul... Truely indeed."
Peace and wisdom - and a large piece of 'Desiderata by Billy' to all!
Salome,
Adam. |
Jonas
Member
Post Number: 10
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 06:59 am: |
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Hi Adam
I was reading in Billy's 1958 prophecies and Predictions line 161 states after the fourth millenium jmmanuel comes?? So billys not the last, well if his spirit never dies and it continually incarnates he must come back as a profit, But me I will never come back as a profit (I having a hard time becoming a real human) , I just wanna make the planet a better place to live Via the truth and laws of creation which is the only logical and loving way because we are all coming back, and will be raised as little babies and teenagers all over again.We cant do much for each other now, apart from meditation, but we can get the ball rolling for ourselves and each others spirit that incarnates into another human being, who we will never know, the stranger. I'm thinking so many great people in this forum and in other places, imagine increasing our life span for 400-500 years it must be possible. and I bet Billys contacts have got the answer sitting in one of their increadable modern, ultimate hi-Tech labs. Do you think Billy knows the answer? Imagine the strength of the mission if the members lived hundreds of years?
Bob and Jose just dont think about the past in that way, I thought Billy was more than just a liar when I stumbled across him and said some rotton things to but it wasn't all my fault being so insensitive when being brought up in an enviroment thats sole purpose wants to be flooded in material possesions guided by spiritual leaders and governments that have no-Idea and strive to cover up the truth. Anyway take care guys easy to say your only human but what if your not even that yet?
John |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 144
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 12:03 pm: |
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I finally got the meaning of the "carry on eaters" .
It's carrion eaters .
In case anyone else missed it . Carrion meaning, any animal slaughtered for their meat . The context for this was the word "people" in english .
Billy has revealed that this word has such a negative connotation to it that it should not be used .
Attention to detail is a lost art , but one that I truly have much respect for . |
Phi_spiral
Member
Post Number: 428
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 06:04 pm: |
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Jose, you have my most sincere apology for my post #427 above. I hope you will forgive me and that there are no hard feelings between us. Innuendos are not uncommon on this forum, even used by yourself, so it is easy to see where a shoe might fit, especially in light of our recent discussion.
I would like to write an explanation now for the benefit of others, that hopefully explains a bit more the thinking process behind my posts in the recent discussion string concerning the “tree of wisdom” and why it is imperative that these type of discussions continue in the future on this forum. A process I think you mistook as being disrespectful and that in this explanation you may come to see it in a more understanding light.
The discussion string began with your response to a question by Chris,“Has there ever been a time here on planet Earth where Creational Laws were adhered by correctly without false teachings and humans lusting for power over the other?” To which you answered,“Yes Pleja yes, The Real and True laws and recommendations of Creation to which humans adhered to in truth were VALID, effective and adhered to in very ancient times here on Earth before the human beings in unreasonableness decided to invent their own wrongly and faulty heretic laws...”
But this is simply not accurate, for the teachings of Henok/Henoch did not have wide acceptance in his time and I included excerpts from Billy’s book, Aus den Tiefen des Weltenraums, in my post #419 which said as much. Even in Kanon 31 of OM, verse 42, says that Henok carried out his obligation to the humankind of the Earth yet he was mocked by the fools, as is the prophet of the new time. So I think you see my point. If your memory could be wrong about this aspect of Henok in Kanon 31, then it could also be wrong about the tree of wisdom and curiosity compelled me to clarify it.
Part of the misunderstanding stemmed from certain statements in your earlier posts that suggested the tree of knowledge and the tree of wisdom were one and the same.
“These Creational Truths and creative-natural laws were taught by Henok at the times when the very Tree of Wisdom (Tree of Life) was still alive…”
“About the Tree of Wisdom (Tree of Life)…”
“This Tree of Life/Wisdom lived precisely for 700 (seven hundred years) on Earth….”
“This mistery of the Tree of Life IS NOT A METAPHOR…”
“This below is the tree (Johannisbrotbaum - Ceratonia siliqua) which is described as being similar to the so called Tree of Life/Wisdom mentioned in the Book OM”
“This tree is similar to the Tree of Wisdom/Tree of Life of the ancient times.”
However, it appears to me now, to the best of my understanding, that they are not the same. In the kanons preceding 31, we find the phrase, “tree of life” being used as a metaphor many times as I wrote about in my Post #420. And, we find the first mention of the Tree of Life within Kanon #31 itself, occuring in verse #401 where it says:
"Die Frucht des Gerechten ist ein Baum des Lebens, und ein Weiser gewinnet die Liebe der Menschen."
"The fruit of Righteousness is a Tree of Life, and a wise man earns the love of the people."
One thing that stands out to me in my study of the material, is Billy’s consistency of meaning. So it did not seem consistent for him to use the tree of knowledge as a metaphor in the first part of the Kanon only to switch to a literal meaning later on, unless of course it is understood that the tree of wisdom is unique and entirely separate from any “tree of life” nomenclature.
The use of metaphors do indeed abound throughout the OM. For instance we find atomic weapons are metaphorically named, "death suns" built from the "stones of life". And “silver” and “gold” are used for levels of teachings of truth. So, with this in mind, I found that the whole passage where the tree of wisdom is mentioned to lend itself quite easily to metaphorical interpretation and made more logical sense to me than a literal one.
And what is the methodology of the tree? It has been explained that the tree of wisdom expands the consciousness. But consciousness is not wisdom and wisdom is not consciousness. Neither will you find these terms used interchangeably in the teachings. One could argue that one helps to facilitate the other but it does not make them the same. And when a word or term is used to indirectly refer to something else suggesting a likeness, then it is a metaphor. So oddly enough, the term “tree of wisdom” may still be a metaphor. The tree is real, but the name for the tree is a metaphor. So I still seek these clarifications in the next round of questions from Billy.
I try my best to word my questioning so that others do not take offence but perhaps I still fall short and will try harder in the future. I am nonetheless, compelled to question.
Again, my apologies for causing any distress to Jose or anyone else.
Kind regards
Bob |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1728
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 06:09 pm: |
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Bob,
Jose informed me he has the left the forum and his account has been deleted. If you like I can forward your post to him. Thank you for your clarification.
Regards
Scott |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 745
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2009 - 08:03 pm: |
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*****
Hello Mark,
You still have the email address for José, Yes. Referring to the small discussion group, as you know. Perhaps a private exchange between you two would be favorable to "iron out" the differences in perspective.
That's how I see it, anyway, as two different ways of looking at the same thing. Sometimes, the literal is hidden inside the metaphor. There may yet be deeper layers to be peeled away.
One blind man feels the Elephants' leg, says "this is a tree that moves." The next blind man feels the Elephants' trunk, says "this is an old snake that flies." Both are correct from their perspectives, and yet both are still wrong, until they both can experience the Whole Elephant.
I certainly agree that accurate presentation of ANY of the Teachings is essential, whether the OM, The Goblet of Truth, or any other piece written from Billy Hand/Mind/Spirit. Yes, address the concern in a question to Billy, which should be the final word on the subject.
I am saddened that José has chosen to leave the forum. I do hope it's only temporary. The translations he made and posted here are among the best I've ever seen.
José, Por favor, volta outra vez, o caro amigo. Não é o mesmo sem você aqui.
Salome
*****
Hi Rod,
Can you please just post text using normal font and standard colour which is black?
Peace... Badr
You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 150
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Friday, March 27, 2009 - 11:49 pm: |
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Hi Rod ;
Im truly confused as to what you mean . What differences are you reffering to ? My above post is about as neutral as the middle choice on an auto-shift .
As far as the other discussion group , Im lost as to the reference . Did I converse with Jose there without my knowledge ?
Also ; are you referring to the condundrum hidden within a mystery wrapped in bacon ?
That wasn't the leg he was holding onto , if my memory is serving time .
Thanks , MC |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 751
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2009 - 12:42 am: |
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Mark, my bad, me confused, who I'm writing to. just ignore.
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You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Indi
Member
Post Number: 305
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 05:05 pm: |
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With regard to people posting links on the forum:
I would see it as a courtesy, to all those reading and functioning passively or actively on this forum, to provide a short but informative summary about any link provided.
Apart from it simply being an etiquette issue, for some people download megabytes can be limited on some peoples plans.
Not everything that is posted is something that all would be interested in viewing, or may have already been viewed.
I hope this request will be considered by all.
in peace
Robyn |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 138
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, April 23, 2009 - 01:06 am: |
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A sensible idea Indi.
Might be an idea to specify how many minutes or MB the linked videos consist of if they are longer than the usual 10 minutes = 22megs YouTube material.
To the moderators.
Regarding board emoticons.
The present collection seem quite basic & limited.
However there's a tradeoff in that we are after information & ideas rather than eye candy but some color & humor might add welcome highlights to posts.
Therefore for your consideration a few emoticons which might be added.
They are not meant to be plastered all over posts like christmas tree decorations however most participants so far display sufficient restraint to indicate they will not be tempted into going overboard.
Cheers.
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