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Gaiawingz
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Post Number: 64
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 11:23 am: | 
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Tim;
You either do not know much about children (entailing that you've forgotten what it was once like when you were a child) -- or you are not thinking clearly about these things.
Good parenting does not result in 'bad' children. Consider an infant -- they are helpless and dependent upon the good will of their parents to protect them and care for them. Does an infant have any concept of malice?
No. Does an infant know hatred?
No. Does an infant have any inherent, 'demonic' tendencies?
Nope, not one baby I've ever seen has any of the preceding qualities. I have never meant a single new-born child that was anything other than gentle, inquisitive, helpless and wide-open to the influences of those around them.
Now, I've certainly seen a lot of children who behave maliciously and violently, selfishly, with no regard for one another, etc. which indicates that infants turn into toddlers and young children rather quickly and it doesn't take long for them to emulate the behaviours they see displayed by the adults and other individuals they imprint and role-model off of. But I have not come across one shred of evidence that these negative and degenerate traits are anything other than learned behaviours which are not innate, inherent or otherwise due to a naturally occurring predisposition in human beings to act against the laws of nature.
Aggressive we may be, and our life-spans shortened as well, but inherently evil, innately prone to degeneration? I do not think so for one instant. Humans are, however, very easily influenced, especially as infants and young children.
Perhaps to understand what I mean one must expand their concept/definition of 'bad parenting' -- as well as realize that even well-intentioned individuals can be horrendous parents.
Consider the following as examples of bad parenting:
- sending your child to public school
- neglecting your child
- invalidating your child's experiences
- invalidating your child's perceptions
- invalidating how your child feels
- deceiving your child
- indoctrinating your child with false teachings (such as racial or religious superiority, or superiority of caste, fanaticism of any kind, etc.)
- failing to regard your child with due respect
- putting yourself and your own needs before the needs of your child -- that is to say, regarding your own emotional/psychological/physical needs as more important than the well-bring and safety of your child. Despite how they may 'feel' about the matter, 'career'-oriented women for instance should not have children until, at the very least, they are willing to cede their career before the responsibilities of being a mother.
- hitting your child for any reason other than as a well-known and direct consequence of them taking some action which seriously endangers their life or the life of another
- emotionally and/or psychologically manipulating your child
- wanting to have a child in order to complete your life. Parents must already be complete and prepared before they bring another human into the world, because screwing up on this most important job (raising the next generation of the human race) has dire consequences
The list goes on.
One cannot wait until after an individual has had children and seriously damaged them to intervene and go, 'well now, we don't think you should have any more kids' -- on top of which, castration implies the removal of a man's testicles, etc. when in fact this does not have to be done to render a person sterile. No part of the human body may be removed, and actually I am sure we could develop (if we haven't already, in secret) a reliable means of permanent-but-reversible sterilization.
With such a method, and assuming also that it does not adversely effect the processes of adolescence and puberty, etc. one could then simply render everyone sterile, by the age of 10 or 11, until such a time as they had been evaluated objectively and found to be capable of being good parents.
So think about what your statements entail. You may not feel fit to make such decisions about who is worthy of having children and who is not, but there are those of us who can and who will when we have the power to do so; because if we don't then all the people out there who don't think anyone really has the right to say and all the people who reproduce like rabbits will reduce the Earth to an inhospitable wasteland and we'll all end up dead before long anyway.
Peace;
- Gaia |
Michael
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Post Number: 809
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 12:34 pm: |
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Matthew,
Certainly you of all people are smart enough to know how terrible it is to make generalized, vile and vicious comments about any group of people.
A retraction, please.
Michael Horn
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Earthling
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Post Number: 255
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 01:33 pm: |
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Matthew - you wrote; "the cause for anti-semitism is mostly the existence of Israel"
I'd just like to point out that Israel has only been around since 1948, yet anti-semitism is centuries old, at least. Not to mention that minor act of anti-semitism, aka as The Holocaust, which predated the existence of Israel.
Logic, my son, logic, not regurgitation & repetition of conspiracy websites. |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 924
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 01:34 pm: |
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Hello Gaia, Greetings to All in Peace,
Have been following these posts with interest.
Gaia, where you have expressed: "Does an infant have any concept of malice? No. ..."
I DO beg to differ on this point.
From my own memories: While still an infant in the crib, sometime after arriving to my new home from the birth experience, this (following) came into my awareness. ( Sorry, I cannot give an estimate of age, I had no real concept of time to this point, but was less than a month or two from birth).
One day, certain relatives/Aunts/Uncles/whatever came over to visit my parents and to see the "new Baby." I distinctly recall, as a few approached to peer over the crib, I became fully aware of their Emotional states. Those emotions were in some turmoil, their concern was not related to me or my existence or well-being.
Their Emotions were in concern for themselves, and worries for the "conditions" and conflicts in the place where I found myself. Obviously, I could NOT talk nor speak, too early yet to command the language, even though I did understand what was spoken and unspoken.
IF I COULD have then spoken, I would have told them: "You are hypocrites, you are not speaking the truth, you are Thinking/Feeling one thing, and are saying a different thing (at a more 'shallow' level)."
I posted this in my introduction at "How You Found About Billy Meier." My hope was to find ANYONE else who has such (or similar) memories or early experiences. I know (or hope) I can't be the ONLY one.
At any rate, my experience leads me to think that ALL Children are learning the Social Order, learning interactive skills, and learning whatever "Biases" or beliefs are prevalent from the very earliest. Attitudes, fears, specific emotional responses, &c are learned from others without being "taught" these things.
This is WHY the Global Birth-Stop Initiative from Billy, states that the prospective parents should be properly 'screened' prior to permission to procreate.
In Peace ... Salome
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You say you want an Evolution, well you know, we're all doing what we can. -(Beatles revamped)
Rod
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Matthew_justin_deagle
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Post Number: 61
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 04:21 pm: |
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I will make no retraction. Religion is a personal choice, not an unreversible identity. Especially grotesque and hateful religions such as Judaism must be curtailed if there is to be any honest battle against hatred, racism, addiction to world domination, etc. I would expect that you, like me, have known real Jews, and known them to be comments deleted... My ex-girlfriend, for instance, grew up with numerous psychological problems leading to full-on insanity due to the verbal abuse of her grandmother and father, both Jews and Zionists. I witnessed this so-called father of her calling for the blood of innocents in Lebanon simply because they were not Israelis and lived in the vicinity. I have yet to meet a genuine Jew who was properly raised as a child, and from that and their hateful religious texts, comments deleted....
Salome,
- Matthew
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Matthew_justin_deagle
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Post Number: 62
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 04:23 pm: |
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Michael,
Perhaps you have also been taken in by the so-called 'Holocaust', which was in fact a collusion between today's Jews and extremist Nazis to eliminate those Jews who did not agree with Zionism. Today, there are very few full Jews who are not slaves of the Zionist agenda, which amounts to nothing more than the exploitation of the vengefulness, self-pity, hatred, foolishness, and emotional immaturity of Jews, with the goal of securing power for the already mighty.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Johnnybalmain
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Post Number: 31
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 04:49 pm: |
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Hi Gaia,
Please explain why sending your child to a public school is an example of bad parenting.I truthfully do not understand that statement.
Would this mean sending your child to a private school is good parenting, considering most private schools, if not all, are religiously enslaved.
I feel somewhat taken aback the amount of times people slip in massive generalisations, usually based on personal opinions, and state them as fact.
Another example is Matthew stating Obama is arrogant.
I purposefully chose to send my children to a Public school to avoid as much as possible the religious brainwashing they would definately recieve at a private school.
Peace John |
Davo
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 07:58 pm: |
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"Consider the following as examples of bad parenting:
- sending your child to public school
- neglecting your child
- invalidating your child's experiences
- invalidating your child's perceptions
- invalidating how your child feels
- deceiving your child............."
Hi Gaia,
While I agree with most of what you say about bad parenting, I think you may be taking it to the extreme a bit because if we were to take parenting as seriously as you, we would all be at home 24/7/365 (no work) to raise our kids, something which I agree would be beneficial for our children but something which is completely unfeasible in todays world. |
Davo
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 08:09 pm: |
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I went to both public and private schools and I didn't think there was much difference between them. They will still get all those negative influences and experiences no matter what type of school they go to in todays world. |
Tjames
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Post Number: 289
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, June 09, 2009 - 11:16 pm: |
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Matthew:
I just would like to ask you why would the white supremacist (wanna be or whatever) be subject to or deserve sterilization?
Giawings:
Generally, no ,good parenting logically should not bring forth "bad children" however external influences is what was implied there. My point was simply to get us thinking about WHAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO REGARDING STERILIZATION / CASTRATION.
So you are against implementing some kind of sterilization of parents after the authorities have found real evidence of them being unfit parents? I am trying to get to the root here.
Or in the White supremacist example the man is in his mid 20's clearly not a child should the parents be influenced by the state? After all the man is a man and might not be influenced any more by his parents.
So I should simply ask this (honestly) Under what circumstances should castration (used in Talmud Jmmanuel) or sterilization be used?
I agree that sterilizing parents after finding out they are terrible parents might be a horrible idea. But it depends on how old the children are. I simply stated it to get ideas flowing.
But, think, how does the authority appropriately intervene?
I am bringing this up because we as citizens will have to face this issue. I am not bringing it up because I feel I know all the answers but because I'm smart enough to know that together we can solve tough issues and find really great solutions and ultimately implement them.
So ideas please!
Salome,
Tim
Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona!
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Earthling
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Post Number: 256
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 04:56 am: |
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Matthew - your lumping all Jews into your characterization (assassinations) of them as:
"I would expect that you, like me, have known real Jews, and known them to be comments deleted
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"I have yet to meet a genuine Jew who was properly raised as a child, and from that and their hateful religious texts, comments deleted
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"the so-called 'Holocaust', which was in fact a collusion between today's Jews and extremist Nazis to eliminate those Jews who did not agree with Zionism. Today, there are very few full Jews who are not slaves of the Zionist agenda, which amounts to nothing more than the exploitation of the vengefulness, self-pity, hatred, foolishness, and emotional immaturity of Jews, with the goal of securing power for the already mighty."
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These (your) statements are patently absurd beyond absurd. I have know many many Jews (in the USA), and 95% of them have next to nothing to do with the religion, zionist beliefs & practices. They are simply people, period. They may have absorbed erroneous beliefs like any earth human but you are clearly a deluded victim of conspiracy websites & people.
To say you have gone to far would be a grave understatement.
Earthling, I agree Matthew has gone too far, which is why I have deleted his statements as well as your paraphrasing his original post.-Scott
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Michael
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Post Number: 811
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 09:29 am: |
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Matthew,
Earlier you wrote that some skinheads threatened you partly, you think, that they thought you looked...Jewish. The feelings of hatred towards you that you experienced, and all of the possible actual physical violence that often accompanies such threats, happen to people because of the kind of irrational prejudice that you yourself (for whatever strange reason) expressed here.
I do hope you appreciate the...irony of that.
Further, yes, I know many lovely Jews who had their heads filled with religious mush but whose lives, whose actions, were simply good and decent. They weren't out for world domination, they were grateful to have escaped the Nazis, come here, raise families, etc. I had a good number of family members among them.
As a matter of fact, I went to...Passover dinner at the home of my oldest friend, a retired doctor with whom I recently reconnected, after almost 50 years. Both my daughter and I went, neither of us had ever been to one of these holiday ceremonies, etc. Obviously we didn't relate to the religious stuff at all. But we loved the people, the extended family, the kids, etc. - the human beings. My doctor friend is truly a great human being, he's been instrumental in uncovering medical fraud, abuse, incompetence, etc. and he did all this after he retired from a long career as a pediatrician (that may also tell you something about his character). He has positively affected tens of thousands of lives.
And, as a side note, I only found out that I was "Jewish" with the help of some of my childhood associates (the local Irish and German toughs) and, when I was older, my response to a man who challenged me with a none too friendly, "Are you Jewish?" my answer was, "I am, if you're an anti-Semite." He declined to press the point.
Please don't thoughtlessly contribute to the kind of possible terror that you - partially - experienced.
Michael Horn
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Historeed
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 09:37 am: |
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Gaia,
What would you suggest to parents who cannot afford to send their child to private school and/or home-school due to an inflexible work schedule? Speaking for myself only, I went to a college-preparatory (K-12) public school and am currently studying, most gratefully, the Spiritual Teachings...maybe I'm just an odd exception though?
By the way, I really enjoy your posts as they do help to stimulate my thought-process from time to time.
Sincerely,
Matt
Historeed
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Tjames
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Post Number: 290
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 09:50 am: |
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Hello Jrod 7
I like your comment on the Global Birthrate stop "that the prospective parents should be properly 'screened' prior to permission to procreate."
First off we all need to stop procreating. I don't care who you are. Can you imagine initiating the proper screening in this current time under Obama's administration? If we got enough support and in my opinion this SCREENING would not occur until the birth rate halt were either in its early stages or in the later half and beyond. Telling people that their religions and or hateful ideologies such as white supremacy will not enable you to pass the screening. On one hand I cannot wait to see (legislation) or its equivalent. "Sorry ma'm you appear to have failed the screening exam" our analyzer states you should probably try balancing your thinking. Here is a program that can help you with this....
I don't know but we need to have something that screens people before they procreate. It only makes cents.
Salome gam nan been urda gan njber hasala hesporona!
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Stephen_moore
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Post Number: 98
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 11:07 am: |
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Hi All
If we was to judge a group of people or race by the wrongdoings of a few of that group or race then in my opinion that goes against what Jmmanuel was teaching.
Talmud Jmmanuel - Chapter 7
1."Judge not falsely, lest you be falsely judged.
2."For with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged, and with
whatever measure you measure, you will be measured.
3."Judge according to the logic of the laws of nature, which are from
Creation, because only they possess its truth and correctness.
4."Why do you see the splinter in your brother's eye and are not aware of
the beam in your own eye?
5."Or, how dare you say to your brother: 'Wait, I will take the splinter
out of your eye!' And behold, there is a beam in your own eye.
6."You hypocrite, first take the beam out of your own eye, then see how
you can take the splinter out of your brother's eye.
7."Learn first the laws of nature and of Creation, their logic, before you
judge and condemn and wish to see the faults of your neighbour.
8."Through the laws of nature and of Creation learn first how to
recognize your own faults, so that you can then correct the faults of your
neighbours.
Thus by judging, for example, the whole of Islam on the wrongdoings of a few extremists is false judgement, or judging the whole of the Jews on the wrongdoings of the Israel War Mongers is false judgement.
This is the same for many more groups of Humans on Earth that get judged by the wrongdoings of a few in that group. This also goes for Religious followers. Many Many religious followers are un aware of the truth, namely Creation, but that does not make them deniers of the truth or even bent on world control and corruption etc.
Just my thoughts
Thanks
My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk
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Phi_spiral
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Post Number: 443
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 11:42 am: |
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"A human being of truth knows no prejudices, for a preconceived opinion impedes any quest and discovery, and honesty itself. A human being of truth knows perfectly well that all truth and wisdom lie in the timeless flow of permanence, so that no preconceived opinion can rightfully exist. <snip>
A preconceived opinion harbors all the illogic of doubt and untruth. When a human being begins to absorb within himself this information, he may obtain a clear understanding of a vicious human weakness, namely, whether or not he is beyond the standpoint of preconceived doubts and criticism or still dominated by prejudice. If he is still biased toward preconceived opinions, he ought to put this message aside and pass it on to those who are free from prejudice in their quest for truth."
Pages 20-21, Life In The Spiritual And Physical, by Billy Meier
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Gaiawingz
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Post Number: 65
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 12:03 pm: |
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Rod;
I have no idea why you state that you 'beg to differ' on the point of infants having no inborn malice. What you quoted your own experience as being, in fact, seems only to further underline my point, which is precisely that we learn negative and degenerate behaviours by imprinting and role-modeling off of others. Therefore, the greatest care must be taken to ensure that infants and children are protected and nurtured, educated and raised by the most capable of adults who are, therefore, far less likely to screw up.
Also, what you you say you would have liked to express at the time was simply some blunt truth, not anything malicious.
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Tim;
You need to read my prior posts more carefully. Virtually every point you raise has already been covered, although you don't seem to realize it. I do not generally repeat myself, so be aware of this if, in the future, you (or anyone) asks me a question about something I've written but you don't get a response.
Quite obviously I do think that criminal human beings, including many, many bad parents should all be cast out from society -- in other words, that we should quarantine them (segregated by gender first) into prisons and secure psychiatric institutions wherefrom they emerge to eek their living from the land if they can reasonably be allowed to do so, etc. until they have well and truly learned from their experiences.
Many people, especially today, would obviously spend the rest of their lives in such a state and die before being readmitted to society. Now clearly the implementation of restrictions on parents and on dealing out the just punishment for their actions is something of a bit more tricky, especially right now. Hitherto I have simply been outlining a few things which, fundamentally and objectively, cause serious harm to the development of a child.
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Davo;
You should read my posts thoroughly, but also realize that while I speak in harsh terms, I do know and realize that the world is not going to transform into upholding the ideals of parenthood, etc. within my lifetime. That said, how does one know what one wishes to accomplish if one does not have a blue-print?
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John;
Most private schools will not properly educate a child, this is true. Consider it a matter of oversight that I did not include them upon the list as well. In all honestly, I would say that one really should not turn one's children over to any institution, public or private. Children need to be educated individually and according to their own style, which is not possible to do if one has even ten children in a group together trying to learn.
I know, also, that it is not 'feasible' for the average parent to be at home with their children as much as they should be in today's society -- but do you not realize that that's precisely part of the problem? Children suffer when their parents are not there for them, and getting back to the education: children suffer hugely when their parents are too ignorant to educate them properly themselves, which is (in addition to the time constraints) the reason one farms one's children out to public or private institutions to be educated in the first place, rather than keeping them at home and teaching them.
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Mark;
Earthen humans have proven that they do not have the common sense to control themselves. When I suggest mass, forced (reversible) sterilization, I do so specifically with the current Earth population in mind. Why? Because given the current state of society, doing as I have suggested -is- the most humane, fastest acting, feasible solution to the overpopulation problem. Are there other solutions? Yes, but they rely on the gradual education of every individual human being to a point where they can (and are willing) to control their actions and their ability to reproduce in the best interests of the future of mankind.
Do you realize how hard it will be to individually educate every single person to that level, or even the majority of them -- especially if we are still contending with the rabbit-like breeding habits of ignorant criminals? On top of that, think of all the millions of people who are alive today who absolutely will not ever budge from their irrational, insane beliefs and who therefore will not take control of their actions, their lives, or their reproductive organs.
It's a messy situation!
Now, I know a lot of people on this forum have children, and probably each and every one of you has done at least one of the things I have listed as examples of 'bad parenting' -- so you feel addressed and a bit miffed, I can understand that. What I do not, and cannot, understand is the stubborn refusal to admit when we have done something wrong which has caused harm to our children. I know that no decently-minded parent wants to think that they have done a huge disservice to their children by bringing them into this world, let alone that they have inflicted torment and suffering upon them because of their own ignorance at the time, etc.
But really folks. Think logically here. Is it better to admit when one has made a mistake and to learn from it and not do it again, or should one simply pretend that one is in the right and continue to perpetuate, or even to uphold, 'bad'/wrong behaviours?
Ultimately, one must realize that well-intentioned individuals can end up harming their children, even though they don't mean to. A good example would be the parents who have to send their children off to school and/or daycare because otherwise they can't afford to properly feed, clothe, house, etc. said children. Do I think these parents hate their children or want to make them suffer and cause them harm? No, but that doesn't change the fact that doing those things to one's children -does- cause them harm and suffering in virtually all cases.
It's not intentional abuse, but rather the kind of abuse inherent in the system which traps the majority of people into it. What's the solution? Well, as hard as a lot of people might find this to accept, the solution is to not have children until you can care for them properly and raise them accordingly.
There is a great deal more that I could say and elaborate upon with regard to how I would implement these restrictions, but this post is long enough already. Suffice to say, for the sake of simplicity, this is why I advocate mass, universal sterilization (of the reversible nature) of everyone at the age of 10 or 11 so that they may be educated about the reasons for it and the process by which one may prove themselves worthy of having children and therefore of having the procedure reversed at a later point in time.
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Gaia, I see no productive dialouge being generated by the posting of your link, and your quotations from that video. I find this to be inflammatory in nature as well-Scott
Peace;
- Gaia
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Matthew_justin_deagle
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Post Number: 63
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 12:56 pm: |
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Michael,
It is no irrational prejudice.
Jews are 'serfs' of the Rothschild family, and when one gets to the ground of it the greatest number of them are either programmed or consciously criminal. The reason for such 'irrational' hatred as skinheads have is that Zionism continues without any effective opposition.
Salome,
- Matthew
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Tjames,
White supremacists pretend that just becaue they are patriotic about their country (in the case of Germans, English, etc), they may deem their race the greatest in the world and abuse others, such as immigrants from foreign countries. Although I agree that immigration is severely out of control, especially in such places as Germany & England (in the USA the problem is unsurmountable and is a fundamental problem of this 'nation', being as it is, the population being mostly a heap of 'wretched refuse' and 'huddled masses' cattle-prodded into the corrals of the Illuminati upon genocidally-obtained land).
I include among those who must be sterilised not just Chasidic Jews and White Supremacists, though, but also evangelical Christians such as Ted Haggard and the morons involved in conscious propaganda against Americans on behalf of the USA and Israel, nihilistic atheists who would teach their children that there is no spirit and ignorantly believe in dehumanising and illogical philosophies, etc., etc.
Salome,
- Matthew
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Phi_spiral,
You seem not to understand the difference between a preconceived notion or prejudice and an inductive theory based on high probabilities.
There is no 'prejudice' that leads me to accept the fact that Chasidic rabbis regularly laud the Holocaust as the greatest victory ever for their kind; there is no prejudice in admitting that these same Chasidim have been implicated by the FBI in child prostitution rings & cocaine smuggling, etc. They are criminals, and in many cases should not just be prevented from having children, but also sterilised.
Salome,
- Matthew
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Earthling & Michael,
If you may note, I did say 'genuine' Jews, and I was not directly referring to the 'lesser brethren', who, however, are SERFS of the genuine Israelis, although such ignorant semi-Jews as make up a large number of those in the USA are no less dangerous than 'innocent' Bush-supporters who refuse to hear the truth about the Iraq War while crying for the blood of those whom they believe to have been behind 9/11 without any evidence whatsoever.
I suppose I might as well not even bother to mention that the Saudis should be classed as Hebrews, too, and their ruling elite are indeed part of the same agenda and criminal enterprise. It would simply fly over your heads that these groups have been traced back to Babylon by their own proud admission, and the Middle-East is thought by many former or current shadow government scientists to be the homeland of those humans who served the 'reptilians' (Draco, Skrill) on this planet.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Gaiawingz
Member
Post Number: 66
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 01:18 pm: |
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Scott;
The video (and excerpt) was to serve simply as an example of the kind of ilk which I suspect Matthew most specifically means when he says that 'serious Jews' should be sterilized. In the same vein, I would also state that Evangelical Christians (the likes of Ted Haggard) should also be sterilized.
Peace;
- Gaia |
Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 99
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 02:00 pm: |
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Gaiawingz
I have to say that I find your concept on mass forced (reversible) sterilization to be complete illogical.
I am not a parent myself and am in no way a expert or experienced in raising a child but saying that I look at what my parents have done in raising me. Yes they did wrong but on the same note I did wrong to which had nothing to do with my parents what so ever. Placing the blame on what a child does on the parents is in many cases wrong.
For example a parent can take a child to school, watch their child walk through the gates then drive off to work. Then that child could leave school and not attend school for that day. That is not the error of the parent. The parent has done what was require. The responsability of the childs action there is the child him/herself.
So by judging the whole of Earth Humans on their way of raising their children and by saying mass forced (reversible) sterilization is the answer, to me, is illogical.
To me it would be more helpful and logical for the truth to be taught to children about Creation and the spiritual teachings. Thus this would bring wisdom, knowledge and understanding of life.
Also on the overpopulation issue the solution put forward by FIGU, Meier and the Plejaren is more humain then mass forced (reversible) sterilization. It is not pre judgemental that every parent is a bad parent and is un able to raise a child. I respect my mother and father even though they did do things wrong in my up bringing (Nothing seriously wrong I like to add). Also isnt making mistakes part of learning? Also my mother and father tried their best and did what they thought was right. I cannot blame them for their error in their life.
This is not in anyway ment maliciously towards you. I feel I disagree with your thoughts on mass forced (reversible) sterilization.
Thanks
My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk
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Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 500
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 03:00 pm: |
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Hi Matthew,
Been very busy lately and haven't been on the forum much. I hope to be soon back on the forum. Approving posts today I came across your post above, last point talking about Saudis. Couldn't help my self but you made me laugh... you have no idea... I take it you haven't met many Saudis and probably none of the royal family. I live among them and I know quite a bit about them. You might want to reconsider your sources of information about Saudis.
As I like to keep the forum relating to FIGU I will not discuss the issue here, just wanted you and others to know your info is not correct "relating to Saudis".
PS: your posts seem quite negative, or thats how it comes across to me. Just a friendly advice try to find some balance and stay neutral positive.
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Gaiawingz
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Post Number: 67
Registered: 01-2008
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Perhaps this will serve much the same point without actually being as 'inflammatory':
www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Uxt9HwfPwPo
Peace;
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Michael
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Post Number: 813
Registered: 10-2000
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Matthew,
Add a little yin to the yang there! I'll leave it to the "Draco" and "Skrill" to fly over my head but what doesn't fly is extreme emotionalism disguised as superior knowledge.
While I am a bit more familiar than you presumed about the true origins (and parties involved) in the recent formation of the state of Israel, it's too easy to get all steamed up in what still amount to conspiratorial concerns and naked prejudices.
I don't think too many of the people here are unaware of the complex realities of the world. But we can continue to pursue peace, love, harmony, knowledge, wisdom, etc. without either worrying about imaginary demons, or creating new ones ourselves...within or without.
Michael Horn
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