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    Creational Member Post Number: 328 Registered: 09-2008 |
Dear Scott, It may seem otherwise, but this discussion is directly related to the ongoing current Earth events and the probability of Billy’s prophecies to be fulfilled. How unfortunate it is that, even we, the supposedly semi-informed by Billy, are truly missing the big picture. I encourage all members to ponder upon what my point is here and let me know if I got this wrong. Dear Gaia, As much as I utterly enjoy and encourage the vast knowledge of you, Matthew, Ramirez, and many other members who are vocal here about the undeniable corruption of earth’s governments, and parallel realities under the name of conspiracies; but with all due respect, we need to analyze the situation a bit more wisely and globally. Thanks to the internet, we are now exposed to unlimited sources; some decent, and some not so decent. Therefore, we need to use this knowledge as a tool and not as a weapon. In such issues as UFO we can easily note how information is prostituted and misused for certain beneficiaries to fulfill their own agenda. I, for one, was willingly bombarded with all sorts of info in internet land and frankly, that’s how I got to Billy. Prior to finding Billy though, I noted that there were an abundance of criticisms without any healthy solution to remedy these societal ills. What we are facing ARE indeed societal diseases; they are not merely the fault of some group or a government but most importantly, the fault of the very basic unit of society being every single human being. Generally speaking, there is no felon without a victim mentality; and revolting the apparent injustice is by far the least productive solution. Revolution, as Billy so eloquently hints, must without a doubt start from the basic unit of any society being you and me or else it is bound to fail. I feel the American civil war Billy warned us is upon us if we don’t analyze the issues in depth. You see, I was a pre-revolution teen in Iran. I can tell you that I sense the same underlying turbulence now in USA, as I felt over there. We didn’t know much about hidden politics then since there was no internet, and there were some banned books such as Mother by Maksim Gorky that the pseudo-politicians such as me were dying to get our hands on. The sources, being Iranian people were not ready for this uprising thus another even more corrupt leadership replaced the old one. The result of this premature revolution is much worse than what the country was actually suffering from. Quite unfortunately, I also am witnessing the same pseudo-intellect within the society here. Such individuals as Alex Jones and Ron Paul, knowingly or unknowingly with the aid of some friendly, and some not so friendly governments like British kingdom with their infamous insidious politics and propaganda via double standard media are stirring up a rebellion that could cause the dreaded civil war and the resultant division of the states. The Russian journalist in the article provided in Pravda posted by you above got it a bit twisted if you will. IMO, both Mikhail Gorbachev whom the so called cold war ended during his leadership, and Barak Obama are visionaries among corrupt and failed systems with good intentions and I think highly impulsed by our ET friends. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Gorbachev Both of these individuals unlike such royalties as Bushes had difficult childhood. I will not go over their accomplishment due to their personal effort to get to the highest level of each government. True, they were brought up in a corrupt system, so as everyone else. But they thrived to make a decent change. This is not an overnight task, especially with the mess Bush left behind. He is within a corrupt system trying to do the impossible. It is one thing to sit here and pass judgments without offering any productive solution and another to get involved and try to make change without stirring up the past issues. As an example, First watch this message please. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTB1-TtwWdQ&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Evoteronpaul%2Ecom%2FnewsDetail%2Ephp%3FObama%2Ds%2DElite%2DAgenda%2DBlack%2DAbortion%2Dfor%2DProfit%2D1256&feature=player_embedded Here, Barak is announcing and then promoting what Billy too believes to be the core of humanities’ issues, overpopulation and birth control as a remedy. But note how the message is twisted. Billy hints that Obama is decent and tries to stay away from conspiracies, without really denying them, for the mere reason of his firm teaching of self responsibility. Just as there is no deity from without to protect us, there is no demon out there to get us. On the contrary, just as there is a deity from within us being the creational spirit, to protect us by us, there is a demonic tendency from within that we need to conquer. As a wise Persian once said; what happens to us is due to us. Salome, Zhila, Thank you Billy. | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 06-2006 |
Hey folks - just thought i'd post a mention of this new 'jellyfish' like crop circle that has appeared... (esp. in view of what one person's interpretation of it turns out to be - see at the end..) here are some further pics of it... http://img194.imageshack.us/i/269e2892846a.jpg/ http://img41.imageshack.us/i/671a787de53c.jpg/ http://img194.imageshack.us/i/3884b14e49cb.jpg/ Experts are claiming it to be the first of its kind in the world and said that as well as looking like a jellyfish, it also replicates the Earth’s magnetic field. and that also certain features seem to suggest that a solar storm may impact Earth on July 7, 2009, as has already been suggested by several other crop pictures from April or May (see bishopcannings or roundway2). The new crop picture also shows a small, horizontal, four-circle band just between its head and its long tail (blue arrows, left or right above). That feature closely resembles a crop picture from July 20, 2008 which told us about eclipses (see time2007x). Indeed, the suggested date of July 7, 2009 for an upcoming solar storm will be a penumbral lunar eclipse (see eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov)...... ......“The ‘galaxy’ crop pictures of 1994 displayed Mars, Saturn, Jupiter and the Moon in the constellation Cetus, exactly where they would appear on April 6-7, 2000. When that date finally arrived, the Earth encountered a very powerful solar storm, and an aurora borealis was seen across many European or American countries, much further south than would normally be the case. Some wonder whether those crop pictures were trying to tell us, that something important would be happening to our Sun on that night? It seems beyond coincidence. It also seems to show that the intelligences behind those crop pictures have the power of premonition.” But alternatively, on top of all that, I read that of one person's interpreation, which was basically the following.... that on the simple basis that 4 and 7 are implicit in the numberings of the circle itslef.... therefore 2 possible meanings in this latest crop circle. 1. On the 4th day of July, something may happen 2. Four world leaders will perish (each 7 days or 7 weeks apart) starting in July !!!! ok thats all  | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 61 Registered: 01-2008 |
Zhila; Time will show you the true character of Barack Obama, but you might also (in the interim) look into his connections to various banking institutions and the international banking elite. Just because they are rich, by the way, does not mean that people (such as the Bush family) have not suffered. Indeed, I would speculate that it actually takes quite a lot of deliberate emotional/psychological/physical torture to turn out such corrupt and degenerate human beings. I don't buy into the rags-to-riches charade. At the best, you can hope that Obama is a decent person after all, that he really is just a pawn of higher powers, in which case I would bet money that he'll end up dead. At worst? Look at how many millions and millions of dollars he got from banking institutions, and then look at who owns the banks and what their agenda is. Which brings me to my next point. You state: "On the contrary, just as there is a deity from within us being the creational spirit, to protect us by us, there is a demonic tendency from within that we need to conquer." There is no inherent demonic tendency within human beings, but perhaps for the vague exception that we do have artificially-induced aggressiveness and premature aging to contend with. To state that there are demonic tendencies within us which we must conquer sounds a good deal like the religious concept of 'original sin'. I'm sure the wise Persian would whole-heartedly agree that children who are born unto inept parents or who are brutally tortured/murdered or raped, made victims of incest, etc. are due those experiences. Food for thought. Peace; - Gaia | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 806 Registered: 10-2000 |
When I was in Switzerland, the three people (on the world stage) who were mentioned as being connected to the mission were Gorbachov, Obama and the Dalai Lama (who, it was said, abdicated his responsibility to bring the spiritual teaching to the world, i.e.Tibetans, Buddhists, etc.) in favor of being worshipped as a god. We do have the potential for both positive and negative, good and evil, etc., as is necessary for our learning, mistake making process. P.S. Gaia, will you be responding to my questions and comments? Thanks. Michael Horn | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 628 Registered: 07-2004 |
Dear Zhila, Your experience of the events that changed your country have given you a powerfully clear perspective of our(USA) growing division in its citizens. The mess that occurred in Iran, which of course the USA was deeply involved, shows the reality of what can happen in a society when the individual believes they are doing the right thing, then only to discover their actions created a powerful radicalized movement that grabbed the governmental controls bringing repressive change to the nation. The term you use, "pseudo-intellect", is very accurate. If the Republicans had retook power for the next four years, I think we could of seen serious perils of our own oppressions from our government. The control for the publics mind is heavily in play right now. The right wing of the political spectrum in America systematically produce topics of fear, using this to keep the ill informed minds they nurture focused in a divisive nature. Our sources of information are the main tool for analyzing events from differing viewpoints and allowing a truer conclusion to form. Having our media under the control of so few corporations is a major disadvantage to discovering the truth.I think that we would be wise to begin demanding the dismantling of the consolidation of news sources that has slowly occurred in the last decade here in America. With newspapers beginning to decline, and the integrity of journalists at the mercy of their owners demands, we are losing viable sources for greater contrast in truth discovery. Another tool that was used to create the situation we are in is the education system. Critical thinking has been replaced by memory retention. Schools rely on high test scores to maintain funding at certain levels which forces most teachers to train students to simply pass tests. No thinking, just remember the answers that will be on the next test. It's the control of the youngest minds that will ultimately form the future. Part of the main goal of the Plejaren is to supply mankind with the truth of creation in an unadulterated form. Now we need to get the truth to where it's needed most, the basic unit of society, the people. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Matthew_justin_deagle Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 05-2009 |
Gaia, At this point in history, very few men ever get into positions of power without becoming Freemasons or being financially connected to the big banks, the military-industrial complex, or some other part of the Illuminati power-structure. Gorbachev is still a member of the Illuminati to this day, although he saw the unreason in the plan for a 3rd world war, while Reagan did not. The Dalai Lama is a member of an elite occult order which included many of the Nazis who had been members of the Thule Society, and is therefore somewhat of a Mason. Obama, because of his arrogance and the increasing comparisons of him with JFK (who was a member of the Cavendish/Kennedy family of the Illuminati, by the way), may, like that president, attempt to seize more power into his own hands, questioning and reversing a number of the plans in motion related to world war. He has already supposedly shown less support for Israel than he was 'supposed' to. He may therefore be assassinated. He is certainly not an especially good politician, but he may overestimate his power enough to do some good, while sacrificing himself unintentionally in the process. There are a number of blackmails against him for things like gay affairs and possibly not even being a US-citizen, so expect this to be messy if he does pick up on the Peace Meditation. (Whatever the consequences of the meditation are for individuals, there is no question it is better for the whole of humanity.) Salome, - Matthew | ||
Johnnybalmain Member Post Number: 30 Registered: 11-2007 |
Hi Mat I'm curious, on what do you base your assumptions that Obama is arrogant. I do not know everything nor have I seen everthing but I never have seen him display arrogance.Please don't get me wrong I am not taking sides just curious as I said. Peace John | ||
Getknowledge Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 04-2008 |
Benjamin Fulford on Rense - May 27 2009 / UTube Among many things, he speaks about asian secret-society assassins threating Illuminati heads, if they proceed in their plans... Im not 100 percent about Fulford but, didnt Billy mention that other nations have to intervene on the so called "NWO elite"? Tien | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 34 Registered: 05-2009 |
Hi Gaia and Matthew, I don't understand the assassination attemps. Surely Obama just doesn't go around making these big decisions and movements concerning relations with other nations and what-not according to his liking. Surely his administration and coherts would have a say and be behind most of his decision making. I don't see how the powers that be would even consider thinking of assassinating Obama. Wouldn't that surely make that riot caused by that black man getting beaten by cops a decade ago look like nothing? Not only that but also refresh people's mind about JFK too? | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 185 Registered: 06-2008 |
Dr Greer has forwarded the Disclosure Project Executive Summary & Briefing to President Obama & all members of Congress prior to 9 May 2009. This will be the test which reveals what President Obama really is and stands for ...... A statesman with enlightened vision, decent human being willing to take the necessary steps on behalf of humanity, man of decisive action .... or just another CFR shoeshine boy. Here is a page containing links to the 9 May 2009 National Press Club Conference. http://www.netro.ca/disclosure/npccmenu.htm The hi-quality version is 222 megs. Cheers. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 636 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Michael, in what context were those 3 people mentioned at the center? For example, how is Obama in any way connected to the mission??? Thanks for any details you can offer :-) Thomas | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 808 Registered: 10-2000 |
Ramirez, May I suggest that before you go and insult Obama with an ill thought out, if maybe not deliberate, racial slur, that you first apply the same standards to Greer? Since I personally, publicly, offered Greer the Meier case as the best evidence for existing ET contact, and encouraged him to run with it, and since he simply ignored the offer (made in front of a room full of people in L.A.) how's about insisting that he not wimp out, as well as forget about selling people "trainings" where they shine their flashlights in the sky to attract "aliens"? Thomas, I was discussing things with some people there and it was mentioned that Obama is the current personality of someone who was involved in the mission a very long time ago and who, along with many others, committed to carry through with the mission in future times, such as these. Michael Horn | ||
Gaiawingz Member Post Number: 63 Registered: 01-2008 |
Jimmy; Would people riot in the streets if Obama had a 'heart attack' and spontaneously died? What if he suddenly contracted something like pancreatic or brain cancer? Those things just seem to crop up out of nowhere, without any warning, so do you think the average American (who, let's keep in mind, believes the lone-gunman theory that Oswald killed JFK) would notice or worry beyond the charade of public grieving? There are many ways to covertly murder a human being, even one as in the public eye as the President. At any rate, read my posts clearly. Obviously it is the people around him and the people whose money he relies upon that one should pay the closest attention to. I do not think they will kill him if he does more or less what they expect of him -- but rather, I do not think Obama necessarily knows about all the schemes which are afoot, and so he may begin dismantling aspects or sabotaging parts of a greater plan without necessarily realizing it or meaning to, for which he could potentially be killed off. Does that make more coherent sense? Peace; - Gaia | ||
Marksmanr Member Post Number: 94 Registered: 02-2008 |
This is a reply to Gaiawingz' post #64: Would making everyone sterile (reversibly) really be accepted by society? I personally would reject it, unless I made my own decision to do that. I think a good example and inspiration is the only way the world may become peaceful, escape the god cults, and discover the spiritual teachings etc. earlier than 800 years. This also applies to people already taking responsibility for themselves, fixing overpopulation etc. soon instead of too late. Unfortunately the world is... lost, however changing, so people like us as good example setters, and inspiration, which may also come from a "moving" film etc. will be incredibly helpful and beneficial to the world. It would also be nice to see beautiful, spiritual women rise into power and strongly promote peace. Reece Stiller | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 05-2009 |
Hi Gaia, Aren't Obamas security people (and his adminstration, coherts, ect) are also aware that there are many malevalent people/organisations/sects out there and also within the US that would like to assassinate him for their own gain if given a chance. If someone did this his administration/people would surely be aware it was shifty business because Obama would be surely getting regular health checks precisely because of these mysterious people/organisations/ect out there with their high tech gadgets? Would Obamas people just sit calmly by and say nothing if they knew his assassination was caused by one of these high tech weapons that gives people a heart attack or what-not and makes it look all natural. (I'm don't live in the US to know how the government works there, so I am only guessing all this) | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 810 Registered: 10-2000 |
Jimmy, Regarding your question about listing my age as 97, it isn't only women who are vain and take a few years off their ages. Michael Horn | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1800 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hello Zhila, I finally got around to listening to Obama's speech in Cairo. I didn't here him mention "universal consciousness", but I did hear him say "collective consciousness"...either way it was a good speech. Scott | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1801 Registered: 12-1999 |
Michael, I think using our parents ages is a nice way of honoring them  | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 05-2009 |
"http://www.myspace.com/theyfly Male 97 years old PLAYA DEL REY, California United States Hi Michael, Your bio on myspace says your 97 years old. This obviously must be a typing mistake, isn't it?" "Jimmy, Regarding your question about listing my age as 97, it isn't only women who are vain and take a few years off their ages." Hi Michael, Firstly, I'd like to say that I am very pleased to met you! Secondly, I think your doing an absolutely fabulous job helping spread the mission! (btw, how come I don't read anywhere P's or billy commending you for work??) About the above, I don't get it? (p.s-MH take it easy on me; my mental faculty is not on average par here me think ) | ||
Jimmy Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 05-2009 |
Oh, I should have mentioned why I don't get it. Because there is a picture of you right next to it looking around 60-65 years of age? That's the vain bit I don't get? | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 186 Registered: 06-2008 |
Michael. Dr Greer has a specific though narrow targeted agenda revolving around energy, it's control & political implications, finite limits, harm done to humanity through the continued use of oil & coal, roadmap to enviromental & societal disaster under current policies. To him the ET connection acts as a convenient focal point which taps into a considerable worldwide stream of interest & concern about enviromental issues thereby harnessing the support of those interested in the ET phenomena mixed with the enviromental movement. Thereby he combines 2 streams of concern into a single cause. Personally I believe his strategy is more likely to meet with success than the consciousness raising efforts of Billy because he knows of and indirectly specifically targets those few individuals responsible for the web of control & manipulation. With a freely available, unlimited, clean supply of energy becoming universally available the NWO house of cards will collapse. This is a concept at least understandable to most whilst the deeper implications & knowledge of consciousness, universal laws etc might be within the reach of perhaps 1% overall if that. Greer in his wisdom steers clear of the rather grey (to most) area of consciousness and it's multitude of proponents genuine & fake concentrating on what he believes can get tangible results if followed through with some determination. To him the consciousness arena is simply not practical or worthwhile becoming enmeshed in. Consider this. President Obama has all but nationalized Chrysler & GM. Now if he were to by executive order mandate that these companies immediately design, produce and distribute at reasonable cost within 12 months vehicles powered by one or several of the workable free energy systems available .... certainly there would be a President worthy of being compared to Lincoln & Kennedy. He knows all about the free energy issues .... what will he do ? Cheers. | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 629 Registered: 07-2004 |
Dr. Greer is foolish to not use the available truth that Billy brings to the table. If Dr. Greer is honestly working for the disclosure of ET's and the technology the government has held onto, he mistakenly shuns the BM info and loses his greatest witness. IMO, Dr. Greer is purpose driven. His purpose, to maintain the misdirection away from giving BM any credibility. Certainly by omitting BM's info he sends the idea that BM is not credible. All he has to do to avoid this weak position is add a small section in his disclosure papers that direct people to Billy's info. His actions/non-action speak louder than his words. He makes no sense if his desire is energy revolution through disclosure. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Michael Member Post Number: 817 Registered: 10-2000 |
Ramirez, While I understand that Dr. Greer is concerned with creating alternative energy, I think that he is also concerned with the dubious flashlight trainings, etc. And comparing Obama to Lincoln and Kennedy, should he pursue alternative energy, already has unfortunate implications for him. Of course clean, free energy would be the intelligent thing to have but I don't think it's a stretch to say that not only are htere the obvious opponents of it but its first applications would be for military use...as they may already be. Our technological growth and focus already outstrips our consciousness related growth. So perhaps Dr. Greer should take himself out of the ET discussion then if he doesn't have the courage and integrity to at least point to the Meier material. So many people who babble on and on about ET this and that are flexing their egos and I include him among them. Michael Horn |
