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Tobi
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, June 15, 2009 - 03:10 pm: | 
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Thanks for the warm welkom J_rod7
this topic is about predictions, well i found something we all need during these turbulant times..
This is what i found in "Kelch der Wahrheit" (Goble of thruth)
46) Sucht Hilfe in der Geduld und Wahrheit, was freilich schwer ist, doch wer sich bemüht, wird des
Lohnes fündig werden.
When i translate that in English, it is not easy and i made some compromisez,it means abit like this;
46)Seek help in patience and truth, witch is not all that easy, but who will really work this out, will find it worthy.
A big try but thats my best.
Hope more people have strength from this wisdom, as i do.
Peace to you and all people in the forum.
Tobi |
Smukhuti
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, July 04, 2009 - 10:43 pm: |
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Something already known to members of this forum flahed in mainstream media:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/5706640/Turin-Shroud-is-face-of-Leonardo-da-Vinci.html
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/World/Europe/Did-da-Vinci-fake-Turin-shroud/articleshow/4726876.cms |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 208
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, July 05, 2009 - 07:24 pm: |
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According to FIGU information , the shroud of Turin is the imprint of the brother of an alchemist who was experimenting with silver colloidate . As far as I know , it wasn't Leonardo , but perhaps Da Vinci's brother was the alchemist . |
Smukhuti
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 08, 2009 - 09:03 am: |
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Thanks Markcampbell.
At least the fake has been identified. |
Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 132
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, July 16, 2009 - 07:48 pm: |
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Hi All
Brief look into some of Askets Predictions
Excerpt from "Asket's Explanations - Part 1" dated 3rd February 1953
162. At the time of Khrushev, a new president will be nominated in America, by the name of John Fitzgerald Kennedy, however, to be murdered in the year 1963, according to secret orders of different groups, and with the American security service, the CIA, having warning information.
162. Zur Zeit Chruschtschows wird in Amerika ein neuer Präsident namens John-Fitzgerald Kennedy ernannt werden, um jedoch schon im Jahre 1963 im geheimen Auftrage verschiedener Gruppen und in gewarnter Kenntnis des amerikanischen Sicherheitsdienstes CIA ermordet zu werden.
163. The day of his death will be November 22nd, 1963 in Dallas, Texas.
163. Der Tag seines Todes wird der 22. November 1963 sein in Dallas/Texas.
Excerpt from Wikipedia page "John F. Kennedy"
President Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas, Texas, at 12:30 p.m. Central Standard Time on November 22, 1963, while on a political trip to Texas. He was shot once in the back and was killed with a final shot to the head. He was pronounced dead at 1:00 p.m.
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Excerpt from "Asket's Explanations - Part 1" dated 3rd February 1953
165. His death will follow on June 6th, 1968 in Los Angeles, and his name will be Robert Kennedy - a brother of the president, who will be murdered during the year of 1963.
165. Sein Tod wird erfolgen am 6. 6. 1968 in Los Angeles, und sein Name wird Robert Kennedy sein - ein Bruder des Präsidenten, der im Jahre 1963 ermordet werden wird.
Excerpt from Wikipedia page "Robert F. Kennedy assassination"
The assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, a United States Senator and brother of assassinated President John F. Kennedy, took place shortly after midnight on June 5, 1968 in Los Angeles, California. Robert F. Kennedy was killed during celebrations of his successful campaign in the Californian primary elections while seeking the Democratic nomination for President of the United States.
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Excerpt from "Asket's Explanations - Part 1" dated 3rd February 1953
167. As with Stalin, the same poison, which very quickly dissipates from the body, will be used to murder Pope John the Twenty-third during the year 1963, who will occupy his office only for a very short number of years.
167. Wie bei Stalin wird das gleiche sich sehr schnell aus dem Körper verflüchtigende Gift verwendet werden, um im Jahre 1963 Papst Johannes XXIII. zu ermorden, der sein Amt nur sehr kurze Jahre innehaben wird.
Ecerpt from http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/saints/ns_lit_doc_20000903_john-xxiii_en.html
Pope John XXIII died on the evening of 3 June 1963, in a spirit of profound trust in Jesus and of longing for his embrace.
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Excerpt from "Asket's Explanations - Part 1" dated 3rd February 1953
169. Greece also has already been selected for a murder of a head of state, because the future reveals that King Paul the First will die the same death by poison on March 6th, 1964, like all those already named.
169. Auch Griechenland ist für eine Staatsoberhauptermordung bereits ausersehen, denn die Zukunft lässt erkennen, dass König Paul I. am 6. 3. 1964 denselben Gifttod sterben wird, wie alle bereits Genannten.
Excerpts from Wikipedia page "Paul of Greece"
Paul, King of The Hellenes ( 14 December 1901 – 6 March 1964) was King of Greece from 1947 to 1964.
In late February 1964, he underwent a further operation for stomach cancer, and died about a week later in Athens.[7]
My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk
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Elreyjr
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Post Number: 50
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Friday, July 17, 2009 - 07:23 pm: |
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Greetings Stephen,
thank you very much for the above summary. also, much appreciations for the contents of your web site.
this is me/my being wishing to be as logical as could be within my capacity, and not to err and not be meer believers, could you and those from this forum be kind enough to illustrate how you took the predictions mentioned as authentic?
please be wise enough to allow me and all others similarly situated to take this stance, one who realize he has had enough lies all around him already.
Jun |
Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 133
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, July 18, 2009 - 07:32 am: |
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Hi Jun
I cannot speak for anyone else here on this forum so I will try and give you a answer based on some of my own thinking about the Meier case.
I first realise that Meier was telling the truth about his contacts with the Plejaren after watching the Wendel Stevens film "Contact" which was made in the late 1970's i think. If not it was the early 1980's. You may or may not have seen this video but in the video it goes through all the physical evidence of Meier's photos, videos and metal samples. These was all analysed but top scientist and they publicly reported that the evidence was genuine. Billy and the people around him including his ex wife all took a lie detector test and they was asked various questions about ufo's, billy's photos etc. They all past the test and no lies was found. I think it is possible for one person to control there thoughts and feeling as to trick the lie detector machine but for numerous people to all trick the lie detector machine I think is impossible.
So that convinced me, along with my reading of Michael Horns articles and the contact notes, that the Plejaren was here with us.
As for the Prophesies/Predictions......
Almost all of what Billy has written has been dated and some if not all was filed with copyright. So you can check which date a article was written.
During Billy's times when he was travelling to various places on Earth FIGU did not exist. Therefore there was only Billy himself and a few others. When Billy was in India there was other people who saw Askets beamships and Billy took photos and a few people even saw Asket. So there is proof that Asket is real.
Therefore if Billy was a fake he would of had to write down everything that happened on Earth all his life and then later in his life produce all his predictions and prophesies. Which is impossible for anyone to do.
The Meiers prophesies have been 100% accurate, at least the ones I have looked at. I have not found any errors or anything that is untrue. If Meier was faking the info he produced then there would be errors due to disinfo from Meiers sources of info. The media, governments etc on Earth tell many lies and for someone who was going to write about events after they had happened based on info from earth sources then there would be errors due to lies.
What I do is I take a single prophesy or prediction and search the internet to find any info on what Meier has written. I try to use trust worthy sources of info and I often dont just look at one website but a few to see if the information is consistent.
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Also you have to ask yourself is there anyone else on Earth who has written about so many different aspects of Humans life on Earth and been accurate in his/her writings?
Billy would have to be a expert in Metal, Astrology, Earthquakes, Volcanos, History, Biology, Space, Sociology, he would have to have numerous people around the Earth in many governments etc to get inside accurate info on the workings and plans of governments, and the list goes on.
For a average earth human to have done and written about what Meier has written about would take vast amounts of money and also some people would of come forward by now with undeniable evidence that Meier was faking.
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So in my thinking I understand that if Billy wasnt who he said he was and if the Plejaren was a fantasy then the Meier case would be full of errors etc and it would be impossible to write about all the different things Billy has written about.
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Finally there have been personal experiences and cognitions of my own which make me think that Meier and the Plejaren are the real deal. I not going to explain them here. Deep down inside of me I know that what Billy writes is the truth. Dont ask me to explain this because I cannot find the correct words.
I hope this brief explination of some of my thinking helps you. Thanks for your kind words about my website.
My Website - www.ufofacts.co.uk
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Kingman
Member
Post Number: 644
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 02:33 am: |
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Hi Jun,
As you say, "...one who realize he has had enough lies all around him already", I used this same position to examine Billy's story. My original exposure to Billy's material was 20 something years ago, but the info I came across was placed next to various ufo 'contactee's' that I had already debunked myself. This prejudiced my initial discovery of Billy and I just put him in with the other false ufo stories.
I finally matured in my research and gave the Meier material a full reading that wasn't from the debunkers position. I guess I can say it was the lack of awkward positions his story contained that first intrigued myself. That may sound strange as a reason I kept researching Billy's info, but the fact that I couldn't find fault, or conflicting truths the more I read, kept my skeptical nature at bay.
Simply put, when I got real good at recognizing all the false info, finding the truth jumped right out at me. His history and the track record he maintains is hard to even contemplate, but it's real.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Davo
Member
Post Number: 27
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 04:16 pm: |
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Before Meier, I believed pretty much all the usual disinfo conspiracy stories out there, then I found Meier, and believed only Meier and dropped the rest.
I'm amazed why most people who look at the material can't see TRUTH jumping out in each of the category evidence sections. I thought it was very very easy to work out or see that the material is true/real. |
Elreyjr
Member
Post Number: 51
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 06:35 pm: |
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Greetings all,
thank you for your response.
Hi Davo. initially when composing the above posting/question, the word "believe" came to fore. it was soon set aside on the ground that BELIEVE/BELIEF, IMO, are already synonimous to lies because if it is not, then there is no more reason to believe AND with all the more reason to know inteligently/wisely; proven beyond doubt; understood; accepted; even faith will no longer have any room. and this can be the motivation one should have, one day, somehow, somewhere when the clarity of it all will dawn on everyone, one after the other, or better yet all together as a group like what we have. my hearthfelt congratulations if indeed you have reached this point in your life, unfortunately though it may not really be so if up to this point you still "believe".
Stephen, the copyright would surely be a way of supporting the authenticity. what a wise move. it would surely be good to have it as a welcome additional information in your investigation of the Meier case as shown in your website UFOFACTS.CO.UK . of course, wise guys could still put the copyright to further tests.
Shawn, indeed there is logic in the principle?? of "polarity"
Jun |
Davo
Member
Post Number: 28
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, July 19, 2009 - 11:44 pm: |
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Hi Jun,
I think it would be a long time before our society reaches the same level as P's and stops using the term "believe".
There is also the matter where there is no proof provided to something in the notes and you just have to believe it to be so. So no-one can theoretically say that they "know" everything in the Meier material to be true because a lot of it is hear say. |
Elreyjr
Member
Post Number: 52
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Monday, July 20, 2009 - 07:02 pm: |
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Hi Davo,
if one accepts/understands that there is nothing anyone can do to alter the outcome of what is an "authentic" prediction, then there is no more room for the word "believe" because he already knows and accepts such as it is, acquired out of wisdom.
my take is that we are meerly being shown a preview of some of what is yet to come our way in our spirit's continuous evolution never before made clear to many as we were as yet blinded by beliefs. if someone gives his full attention to the outcome of an authentic prediction as they unfold, then one should equally be ready to dwell on the spiritual teachings which when understood is deemed primordial.
as to your statement "So no-one can theoretically say that they "know" everything in the Meier materials to be true because a lot of it is hear say" : firstly, IMO, there will be no point gained for anyone to claim that he knows everything because modesty dictates otherwise. secondly, what you are claiming as "hear say" (hearsay) or rumor, meaning no identifiable source is not accurate as every reading material made available to me had the name of Billy/Eduard/Billy Meier/ or the persons (remember Jitschi)/extra-terrestrial humans it came from. allow me to venture to say that what you probably meant is that there are a lot offered that can not as yet be proven. in this regard, we are told/advised to leave them be in the meantime as terrestrial knowledge is inadequate (also, even the Plajarens and Billy's has yet inadequate intelligence) to understand them. one consolation though is that some day what we need to know will become known to us, terrestrial humans. therefore, there is really no room for the word "believe" similar to the belief in the old teachings that the world is flat or that the earth is the center of the universe etc, etc, etc,.
it is a waiting game, a long waiting game, indeed, may it be to terrestrial humans' advantage. in the meantime, everyone is given the opportunity to evolve, let us, then.
thank you for your love and understanding.
Jun |
Davo
Member
Post Number: 29
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 21, 2009 - 01:06 am: |
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Hi Jun,
I'm not sure if we follow each other correctly or not but when I said that bit about a lot of Meier material being 'hear say' I was referring to the contact reports. But not the prophecies in the notes (because we can check those) but just general talking. I wasn't there to know what was being said/done was actually being said/done but I accept the notes as being true because I'm satisfied with the evidential proof I examined.
I also know we shouldn't be readily accepting everything that Billy says or what is in the notes as being true without giving them some thought or contemplation, but I don't have time to contemplate everything and have to just accept some things as being true.
As to your question why I still use the word "believe" I guess I would have to say its something that I have work on and say less of. |
Elreyjr
Member
Post Number: 54
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, July 23, 2009 - 06:48 pm: |
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greetings Davo,
you may wish to refer to http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Why_is_it_so_Important_for_Us_to_Learn_so_Much%3F where it was said "Belief is based on imagination. However, if we allow ourselves to be led by the nose by religions and fanaticism of every kind during our lifetime, we too may fall prey to a belief or fanaticism."
been there, done that, trying my very best to leave it behind.
best wishes,
Jun |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 15
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Friday, August 21, 2009 - 10:27 pm: |
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Greetings all,
I read this news last night and it seemed I already knew it from somewhere. I suspect its from one of the contact notes. May be I am wrong. Does anybody know which one?
http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/health/global-warming-may-cause-earths-axis-to-tilt-in-coming-century_100235659.html
Thanks. |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 16
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 06:19 am: |
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Greetings All,
Following up to my last post, I searched and searched, but so far found no information regarding the Plajerans telling Billy about global warming causing a shift in earths axis. The link below also tells of certain Mark Thomas of the German Research Centre for Geoscience that earth is spinning faster because of global warming and consequent mass distribution (like the ice skater folding her arm and spinning faster).
The link: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn17657-global-warming-could-change-earths-tilt.html
I wonder why this information sounds so familiar? I thought this information was given to Billy as a scientific prediction. |
Hector
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Post Number: 499
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 07:25 am: |
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Hi Smukhuti, climate change/global warming can also make the planet rotate faster due to increments of sea water level, it may slightly affect the duration of days, weeks and other time units, which will have to be adjusted.
Source: Figu special Bulletin 49, p.19 |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 17
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, August 22, 2009 - 11:23 am: |
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Thanks Hector. |
Mahigitam
Member
Post Number: 5
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 05:58 am: |
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hello i recently saw this article in newspaper on 27th august 2009....i came across this in www.theyfly.com or smewer in stevens contact notes..it talks about the capital punishment in china and ther valueless idea on the life of a human sentencing high numbers of prisoners to death...therefore more organs for transplantation.....a world wide business..and recently china admitted to that
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/4938770.cms
i am kind of cutting and saving all the articles that relates to meier information ..if anybody is doin that kindly make send me all those links to mahigitam@gmail.com |
Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 22
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 01, 2009 - 10:45 am: |
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Please also cc me, thanks. |
Francofiori2004
Member
Post Number: 106
Registered: 03-2007
| | Posted on Friday, September 18, 2009 - 05:01 pm: |
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I deleted my signature, so please allow my posts.
I want to share my opinion about Meier's case , that I find fascinating and that I know well enough.
I am convinced most of his photos and videos are genuine, but I think he mixed his own opinions and philosophical idead with aliens' genuine contacts. Also in his books he totally fabricated a fantasy world where his "spirit-form" is a kind of Creation's emissaryon earth. I absolutly don't believe he is in any way linked to Jesus and mohammed etc, actually I think Jesus never exist, sa gospels are clearly a fake mix of Horus and Mithra cults. |
Kingman
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Post Number: 656
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, September 19, 2009 - 08:28 pm: |
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Francofiori2004,
It's good your able to not be swayed by others opinions regarding all you read here. The main focus that's critical to all this information is for the individual to make their own decisions when it is of such an unique and difficult nature.
Once you begin to create a usable logic that is in line with the truth that never changes(Creational Laws), your clarity will emerge and all the things your ready to know will begin to become clear. It is difficult to know more than your ready for so you are right where you need to be.
Your doing excellent for you my friend.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Tobi
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Monday, September 21, 2009 - 05:04 pm: |
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Francofiori2004
Billy Meier has enormous wisdom in all human matters, take your time and study Goblet of Truth
or OM or watch the videos about the Talmud Immanuel, besides there are a lot of other witnesses to that confirm Billy,s relation with the p,s.
I think it a bit ungratefull that you can be happy about the pictures but when you have to work your intelect you reject, better hold on to this mystery and discover more about yourself through Billy,s wisdom.
Success and Salome
Tobi |
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