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Thomas
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Post Number: 757
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 09:18 am: | 
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Thanks Michael, I suspected something of the sort and I appreciate you not taking offense at my honest question. It seems that you happily at least have the thoughtfulness to not react without thinking :-)
Darren I understand but attacking is never the right way, even if someone were against the mission. The only exception where attack is permitted as I understand it and agree with is that sort of case when logical force of whatever type becomes absolutely necessary for defensive reasons. Attack generally isn't equated with defense however though as a rule. In any case, no worries Darren. I am no one's enemy...except my own at times maybe ;-)
Thomas
patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 81
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 09:54 am: |
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I'm posting this here as a kind of "head's up" regarding a new study/report on the WCUFO to be found at:
http://www.allnewsweb.com/page9399895.php
I am also copying an email I just sent to Victor Martinez (who sends out various UFO-related news to his large mailing list) just so that you can know my perspective on this at this early stage:
"...I noticed a few things that I need to thoroughly examine and I hope to also get the Swiss feedback. Let me tell you now that I am personally in complete disagreement with the idea that there are pictographs, or any form of "artwork" present on the so-called hulls of any real ET UFOs.
Ron claims that his technology actually exceeds anything that the ETs have, so it's patently illogical that they would embed cryptic pictographs or images that require this technology to detect them!
I also want to make sure that the technology that he used to detect the electrical field around the WCUFO is scientifically accepted as capable of doing so. We have no problem with the field being there (which would completely end any claims of models being used) but the means of detecting it must be impeccable or it simply muddies the waters and gets us nowhere.
So, to be clear, I want to make sure that the technological determination of the electrical field is ironclad. And I also want to clearly state that Ron's INTERPRETATIONS of pictographs, artwork, crocodile heads, etc., in my opinion is the absolutely weakest link in all of this and may be the easiest target of skeptics to attack all findings, credibility, etc. And, again, I'm not exactly pleased that he posted it all at http://www.allnewsweb.com/page9399895.php (especially since he also has typos and misspellings in there that don't add to its credibility).
Let's remember, he is assuming things about "aliens" that are not accepted scientifically as being in evidence...like "aliens" themselves.
It may seem strange that I would be so cautious, even reluctant to embrace this presumed authentication of Meier's UFOs but, remember, we already know they're real.
So let's see where this goes.
MH" |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 1106
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 04:32 pm: |
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Hi Michael,
Well, I have to say, some amazing revelations from the photo analysis. Clearly, the X-Ray technique of analyzing these images should be "state-of-art" which were not possible years ago, and certainly should be certified and accepted as impeccable.
As to pictographs, I think there may be some "wishful imagination" at work here by the analyst. However, I won't discount the possibility of a "recognition" insignia. This is something which must be answered by the Plejarens themselves. Perhaps Quetzal would be willing to discuss this with Billy.
We also know that their Beamships have a living, organic Brain, by which the pilot interfaces with for total control. The Ship itself is an extension of the organic Brain, and the Power, Drives, all Sensor Arrays, the Skin of the Hull, and all the Field controls, are like the limbs and organs of a living Being. Is it possible that any "Insignia" might be a projection from the mind of the Ship itself?
As to the "aliens" reference, does Ron and his team understand that the Plejarens are Human Beings, just like ourselves?
If Ron would "clean-up" his hypothesis, to be more aligned with that we know to be Truth, his findings would be some of the best evidence yet to smack the skeptics.
Salome
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TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE
Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 83
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 04:57 pm: |
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Hi Thomas, no problem.
Hi Rod,
Any "wishful imagination", should it be the case, doesn't add credibility to the analysis. However, if the technology used is truly able to detect the electrical field, that alone should end the claims about a hoax (unless I'm indulging in wishful imagination).
But can you imagine the problem for the patently dishonest DB and his crew if this too is shown to be credible? Wow. |
Villatlf
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 08:10 pm: |
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Michael,
I think it is very interesting this investigation about the WCUFO photo, no matter a bit of speculation. The electrical field talks for him self. To be honest with you, I did not see the Crocodile mouth symbol, probably it is more in the imagination of the investigator. No matter that, I think it is a great result from the X ray images.
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And I have found quiet interesting the photograph of a fake model done by the debunkers, with what looks to be a plejaren beamship in the background. Were the Plejaren monitoring the debunkers´ experiment as the investigator conclude? Or this is also the investigator imagination. It would be a good question for Billy if the Plejaren did this.
Francisco |
Smukhuti
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Post Number: 81
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 08:19 pm: |
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Hi Rod,
Where can I read about the information about living, organic brain of the beamships?
Thanks. |
Smukhuti
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Post Number: 82
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 08:44 pm: |
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Michael,
Billy never told of such thing as beamship insignia. IMO there is no reason why it is never told other than such things are not there. The pictograph may simply be light shining off the metal skin of the beamship distorted due to enhancement. But it would be worthwhile to ask Billy about that.
The "crocodile head" term is what of more concern and I wonder where are they leading this to?
The analysis may be of some value, but since a long time a truths have been mixed with falsehood to deceive mankind.
I would be happy if I am proved wrong in this.
Salome |
Mahigitam
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 07, 2009 - 09:54 pm: |
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truly amazing except the pictogram part...it cud be as j_rod7 told...or cud be the thoughts[electromagnetic energy] of people of the earth that are filled through out the entire populated places or entire earth...may be they are using this radiated thought energies for propulsion...or it cud be simply nothing....
to know more about technology APEP used,visit this
http://www.profindsearch.com/planet_in_another_solar_system.htm
Fear not what is not real,never was and never will be.What is real,always was and cannot be destroyed.
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Jgarbush
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Post Number: 38
Registered: 09-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 07:28 am: |
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This article is so simple to read that it almost seems complicated. My question is who had these guys analyze these photographs and why? Also, how can this guys credentials be backed up. It almost seems too good to be true. |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 1107
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 01:42 pm: |
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Hello Smukhuti,
Since I read your question, I've been doing searches and researches to find the specific reference to the Organic Brain of the Beamships. It's been nearly Thirty-Years now since I read the complete Contact Notes -- these are where the knowledge comes from.
The closest certainty I have, is this reference was in Volume-I of "Message From the Pleiades - the Contact Notes" produced by Wendelle Stevens.
This is where to look, but I just keep flipping through sections, getting side-tracked with other bits of the discussions between Semjase and Billy. I'll keep looking 'till I can "home-in" on the reference.
If anyone else here has a sharper memory than mine who knows the specific section, please -- don't hesitate to post it.
Salome
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TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE
Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 84
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 02:40 pm: |
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I am leaning more in the direction of this analysis/report NOT being completely legitimate for a number of reasons. I am awaiting word from Switzerland of course and will put up a full commentary as soon as possible. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 08, 2009 - 06:27 pm: |
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Jgarbush,
I am the person who asked these guys to do a report on the WCUFO. I had already had a lot of correspondence with the in which I made it quite clear that I didn't buy a whole lot of their claims about their technology ,etc. The main thing I wanted to find out was if they could prove that their technology could detect the electrical field around the WCUFO, as they had claimed.
I have also been in discussion with a couple of other people since the report was posted and, more and more, there are too many things that are suspect. As I mentioned before, I hope to write something about this with input from Billy, if possible. But now it may not even be necessary, we'll see. |
Jgarbush
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Post Number: 40
Registered: 09-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 03:49 am: |
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Michael,
Thank you for the clarification. Are these guys biased in any way? What are you considering suspect? |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 07:53 am: |
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Hi Michael, what were the other symbols in that picture, other than the crocodile? One seemed to be a triangle. Will you and Billy allow the release of the inside of the craft?
Sheila |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 10:44 am: |
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Jgarbush,
Here is a link to a comments page regarding this report, etc.:
http://www.allnewsweb.com/page2.php
It should be clear from the defensive, non-responsive way that Ron writes that there's something very wrong with their claims about their technology, experts who've supposedly endorsed it, etc. And a couple of the defenders of this alleged technology write suspiciously like...Ron.
I've been in email exchanges with Dan Drasin where I've disagreed with him on some things but I respect his expertise and throughly support his challenges. Chris Lock also is involved in examining the report and claims and, from what he's been able to come up with in examining some of the photos, it looks like there may be some outright fraud involved. |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 88
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 03:34 pm: |
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Please see: http://www.theyfly.com/Why_We_Disavow.html |
Borthwey
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Post Number: 135
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 06:54 pm: |
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Rod,
Regarding the "Organic Brain of the Beamships"...
Something of that kind was mentioned by David Adair when describing the engine of an extraterrestrial spaceship he saw in Area 51.
http://www.greatdreams.com/david-adair.htm
Maybe this is what inspired your concept of a "living" spaceship?
David
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Gib_niner
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Post Number: 70
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 09:22 pm: |
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ok just in case this might be relevant info. (web-page) that might be of use - that some folks haven't seen yet...
sharing of info (for heavens sake - don't shoot/pounce-on the messenger! )
there is more of this kind of thing elsewhere...
http://www.ufodigest.com/news/1009/reveal.php
(crickey just when you think you've seen it all, this guy comes along with this!, for heavens sake those alien heads look like something out of a cartoon!, lol, and anyway in general cant say i've fully looked into it yet - but finding it very hard indeed to envisage how those heads could be hidden somehow in the window section of the ufo craft that by the way he (ronster himself!!) has had the unique and very rare privelege of photographing!!! - really far out stuff indeed to be sure)
guy is probably out to make a quick buck - is my bet anyway.
here you can have imaging results done on your own ufo photo (if you have one!) for the princely tidy sum of 1000 usd no less. (for deluxe package that is)
its a tough job - but someone's gotta do it!
http://www.ufoimaging.com/
again surely all seems too convenient, thinking about it - that he was able to pull off this extreme close up of a ufo - with clarity like that..lets face it - the odds for that alone are pretty slim, as every one full well knows.
unless there is something to it (but i doubt it very much!) ....between the likes of this dude and the grossly incompetent & mind numbingly obstinate sceptics - indeed it is apparent that there are very very many MONKEYS out there in the ufo field - up to all kinds of acrobatic tricks and tomfoolery shenanigans!
at the following... can be found a great group photo of them...all together for the big party! hurah
http://supertremendous.com/Galleries/Funny/The-50-Funniest-Monkey-Photos-Of-All-Time/The-50-Funniest-Monkey-Photos-Of-All-Time_34-59.html#joomimg
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Gib_niner
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Monday, November 09, 2009 - 09:36 pm: |
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also just noticed the following - in the comments section of that web-page - basically BIG question mark being raised over the source of the alleged ufo photo itself -the one that Ron has claimed as his and his alone....
"skeptics claim the Maslin Beach UFO is the same craft photgraphed by Ron S. Stewart. In fact, the skeptics claim the two photos are identical, meaning that Mr Stewart simply used the Maslin Beach photo and did not photograph his own. Why he would do this is a mystery to me. It certainly would not make his claims concerning his PPP photographer anymore believable or notable. Mr. Stewart admits that the same style UFO was photographed on both occasions. The original article and photos is available at: http://www.ufo.se/maslinbeach/. Please read the article and as always decide the truth on your own" |
Edward
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Post Number: 1520
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 02:55 am: |
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Hi David....
That 'living' Organic Brain, is even NOW becoming something of the/our future
to come!
I have seen in the past (decades ago), in docs of the what was called then:
the Fusion of Nano Mechanics and Organic matter/cells. And just some months
ago, I watched another similar science doc, concerning. But, the question was:
Would it be Dangerous for MAN? And HOW he utilizes such Fusion technology? If,
in the wrong hands, it can have disastrous consequences.
But, in general, any such (Mega Super High Tech) computer-like mechanism/
machine would to some point generate an - Artificial Consciousness -, if you
will(; I mentioned this once in the past, here...). And than, this is where
the Organic elements come in to aid the rest of the Artificial 'Mobilization'
Mechanism.
David Adair's, info was known to be, but I have not yet come across it in the
Notes; but did read it was some sort of Artificial Brain(: Organic was not
mentioned, as far as I know?), but...there is indeed the possibility that the
Plejarans and relations have...made such mechanism become reality, as
mentioned.
Thus: today's scientists ARE working on it! But, when...this technology will
be available for commercial/daily usages, is still the question. Seeing, what
I have mentioned above: the Dangers, etc....; can be very dangerous having
such mechanism which has: "a mind of its own"! And almost - semi Human -, in
Brain capabilities/possibilities/functions.
Thus, I think the Military would have priority here (and the applications of),
when it comes down to her utilization, and all related....as usual!!
Edward. |
Smukhuti
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Post Number: 84
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 07:54 am: |
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Hi Edward,David,Rod
I remembered that the living-organic brain was somewhere mentioned in a "Dulce Paper" article or something connected to the alleged Grey's ship propulsion in a conspiracy site. I could not search for the site though. The Plejar do not mention "living" as above.
However, the organic artificial brain is not a distance dream of earth humans. See: http://www.nanowerk.com/spotlight/spotid=6220.php
Salome |
Mahigitam
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 10, 2009 - 09:03 am: |
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hi guys
in "Contact - An Investigation Into the Extraterrestrial Experiences of Eduard Billy Meier (1978)" movie at 40:50:00[1:38:02] jim.D shows a analysis picture of ufo on the screen explaining that he dnt know wats the special aura
surrounding the craft was..he says it cud be an aura of either "infrared,thermal or some kind of force field"..
what analysis and equipment did he use to find out that force field...and why was it ignored or not talked much on this force field which is impossible for any model UFO?
ALso in 1982 - UFO...Contact From The Pleiades - A Preliminary Investigative Report - Wendelle Stevens,page no:290
it says
"Dr.Marcel Vogel of the IBM research laboratories at San Jose California,looking at one of the color photgraphs of the spacecraft 200 yards away over a grassy field,thought of another new test for photographic validity.He suggested illuminating the original transparency or negative film from beneath with a red light and
then re-photographing the picture on infrared film.He thought that if there was any energy of any kind aboard the object,i.e, light,heat,combustion,etc,that the object would have to radiate something,perhaps even in teh nonvisile range or as a harmonic,which might be detectable.
Performing this experiment,we discoverd a remarkable effect.There appears to be an energy path from the object to the camera very much like moonbeams on water,whicih is reflected from certain grass blades at certain angles.This effect could not be produced by models unless they were made energy-radiant-........
New discoveries in the area of crystal resonance in film,emulsion crystals responding in a more subtle way to harmonics of the frequencies for which they were designed,offer whole new avenues of research in this exiting field of imaging sciences and suggest new potentials in investigation and analysis.We are pioneering some new work in this direction at the present time."
}"Performing this experiment,we discoverd a remarkable effect."what experiment did they perform.are they talking about wat jim D did above in contact movie.or other experiment.wat about "moonbeam" effect.why is it not prsented in the photo-analysis report.
Fear not what is not real,never was and never will be.What is real,always was and cannot be destroyed.
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Gib_niner
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Post Number: 73
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, November 15, 2009 - 09:36 am: |
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Hey Mahigitam,
you might be interested in this video also - starting from around scrollbar 2:00 - there is some analysis done - serving to indicate a magnetic field for the ufo in question.
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/32367/_quot_Magnetic_UFO_quot_____11_April_2008___Part_2/
might be interesting maybe to speculate on what the results would be in regard to the WC video. Wasn't it shot on an early SABA video cam. perhaps there might even be a similarly resulting 'damaged signal' - which would then be indicative of a magnetic field. Not that billy's pics need any more proof or validation though - far from it - but just a thought nonetheless.
One would suspect by the looks of this scientist that he may be at least a bit more credible that the two Rons.
found another one of their gems - i had to endure a certain degree of no small amount of tummy pain from looking & laughing at this about a half hour ago - if you scroll down a bit...of Ronster's (Monster-Ronster's) very devilish looking creature-creations!
http://www.profindsearch.com/storm_ufo.htm
(also looks a bit like Picasso artwork - a little bit)
also my two cents on APEP, for what its worth - reckon they just extracting and enhancing only image artifacts , usually from lossy compression algorithms.
sorry Mod if some of this is again a bit tangential - see the heading on this figu section is for figu material only - guess you people like to keep a tight rein on things, which is ok - anyway just thought mahiagitam would enjoy the first link - so feel free to delete this after a week or so - as maybe its a bit tangential to figu/meier material.
ok saalome. |
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