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    Michael_horn Member Post Number: 91 Registered: 07-2009 |
As some of you may know I am involved in a project where Kal Korff will make his best case against the Meier material and I will present mine for it, to be made available in a double-DVD set. Please feel free to send me what you think are the best pieces of evidence, i.e. prophetic, scientific, etc. for the case and I'll look through it for possible inclusion, if I haven't noted it for inclusion already. Thanks. | ||
Jgarbush Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 09-2009 |
Michael, Thanks for letting us put in our requests for evidence. I think you should bring up Jim deletoso's letter that he wrote (I think it was to scientists) and James Deardorff's letter as well. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 70 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Michael are you going to call korff out on his fabricating evidence in the Meier case? His paying an illustrator to draw in lines in Billy's pictures for example, or will this be purely based on two sides giving opposing opinions for and against? Ps I just saw a new video where Korff states that Gary Kinder has retracted his book "Light Ships" and is now ashamed of it, do you know if this is true? Thanks. Salome Tony. | ||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 55 Registered: 02-2009 |
i found this hansebol photo alittle more clearer than rest showing UFO behind tree,picture taken from wendell stevens,Preliminary investigation report Mr.horn if possible cud u plz explain the picture which i posted in my last post ...it talks about energy fields around ship in analysis done by JIM Dilettoso...its a very good proof and ufo models cudnot produce energy fields around it...why cant we use this evidence...may be wendell stevens knows more on wat tests were done on it as marcel vogel adviced them to do so...thank you  Fear not what is not real,never was and never will be.What is real,always was and cannot be destroyed. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 759 Registered: 03-2004 |
Kinder wrote a book called LightYears so that might give you an idea about = the accuracy of Korf's info :-) patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Phenix Member Post Number: 309 Registered: 07-2008 |
Greeting the moderators and all members, Michael Horn: "Please feel free to send me what you think are the best pieces of evidence, i.e. prophetic, scientific, etc. for the case and I'll look through it for possible inclusion, if I haven't noted it for inclusion already." What about this - courtesy of Achim Wolf of the German forum: Slower Population Growth To Help Environment: UN study By Richard Ingham – Wed Nov 18, 2009 http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/unclimatewarmingpopulation Excerpt: "PARIS (AFP) – Braking the rise in Earth's population would be a major help in the fight against global warming, according to an unprecedented UN report published on Wednesday that draws a link between demographic pressure and climate change. "Slower population growth... would help build social resilience to climate change's impacts and would contribute to a reduction of greenhouse-gas emissions in the future," the UN Population Fund (UNFPA) says. Its 104-page document emphasises that population policies be driven by support for women, access to family planning, reproductive health and other voluntary measures. "It really is the first time that a United Nations agency has looked hard at the connections between population and climate change," lead researcher Bob Engelman, vice president for programmes at the green group Worldwatch Institute, told AFP. "People are at the root of the problem and at the solution of it, and empowerment of women is the key." The report, the 2009 State of World Population, paints a grim tableau of the peril of climate change and the likely impact on humans, in terms of floods, drought, storms and homelessness. But it notably puts distance between a decades-long tradition in the UN arena whereby population growth and its part in environmental destruction were rarely -- if ever -- evoked."[...] Truly a beginning of a possible breakthrough on this issue - and, hopefully, also a step towards a full and everlasting revendication of Billy, for the good of Earth mankind! Billy has indeed been warning us about overpopulation and its dire consequences for our societies, the environment/climate, on the sustainability of the planet since at least the open letters of 1951-1958. Thank you for your good work, Salome. | ||
Bodhran Member Post Number: 71 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Thomas, sorry thats my mistake, of course it was "Light Years", I was mixing it up with Korffs book title, anyhoo, he says that Kinder is ashamed of his book and retracts it, how can he get away with saying these things in public about an author without being sued? I'm presuming it's not true. Salome Tony. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1879 Registered: 12-1999 |
Hi Michael, If your free to discuss it, could you tell us how this project came about? I wonder if Mr. Korff could be using this opportunity to promote himself again? I don't find any thing of real value coming from him other than more distorted logic and dishonesty.....Would you include Kal's mis-dealings with Garret Moore?...I know Garret and I think he deserves some credit for the work he did for Kal. www.theyfly.com/newsflash93/KorffShort.htm Thanks Scott | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1303 Registered: 02-2000 |
Scott, I agree. I'm not seeing much upside from this Korff debate. Korff's career is on a major downswing. Most of the UFO community is against this guy now. He was their star years ago but not anymore. I feel he's doing it for publicity & publicity only. Michael, What does Billy say about this debate? My Website | ||
Stephen_moore Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 01-2009 |
Hi Michael If you have or can get hold of the original copyright details of the publishing dates of Meier's early letters:- Open Letter to all Human Beings of Earth - July 5th, 1951 Warning to all the governments of Europe! - Prophecies and Predictions - 1958 Prophecies and Predictions - 16th September 1964 I think Korff could not argue with legal copyright documents as to the publishing dates of these letters (if available) Other then that I think you know more then me Michael so I myself am lost to find anything to suggest that you may not know already. Good luck with the debate and the DVD. Thanks My new Website address - www.ufofacts.co.cc | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 92 Registered: 07-2009 |
Thanks all for the suggestions and questions. My position so far is to do my part of the presentation, let Kal do his and let it be available for any and all who want to hear the two sides presented. Rather than this be a fight between us, I think it should be cordial and direct, with both of us taking the high ground and demonstrating that two people who disagree don't have to be disagreeable or disrespectful. I don't mind giving Kal the benefit of the doubt, as I think that he's also smart enough to know that any other kind of presentation will not create the desired effect for him. I also hold the notion that he too is in search of the truth and is playing a rather difficult "role" in this drama, if you think about it. And maybe on some level he has thought about it too. So, I don't know much more than that but I will simply do the best I can to make a clear presentation of the information in the format that we're working with. Also, I have thought about including the thermal image, as well as the info from Vogel. Regarding Light Years, we have to remember that the publisher of the book made sure that Gary Kinder got releases from all the experts quoted. And they said what they said, which was mainly supportive of Meier. I don't think that it's important what Gary Kinder may have said since then. there was a lot of pressure on many people who were favorable to Meier, such as Wendelle's imprisonment on false charges, etc. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 761 Registered: 03-2004 |
People seem not to pay attention to Kal I guess ;-) patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Gib_niner Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 06-2006 |
for Michael Horn, Ok see that this coming in a bit late - and could be that the format serves to negate this suggestion ie that there wont necessarily be a direct exchange - nevertheless on the chance that there is after all some kind of direct interchange/exchange..then maybe the following.. and is probably a basic one, one that you know full well - but maybe bears repeating over and over just in case nonsensical skeptics ever forget it - but With respect to the sunshot photo - and in relation to Korff's original debunking 'theory' - if its definitly the case that he was saying that there were miniature trees involved here - then perhaps to pin him down insofar as exactly how he ever came into that exact theory or hypothesis in the first place..i.e. exactly what basis was there for it?? Would be curious to know mysef. After all, if he is going to be making any statement about the case as principal debunker then surely everything he states (everything he has ever stated or claimed) must surely have, or had to have had...at some stage or other.. some kind of backing - i.e. to be substantiated or backed with something or other! Or did he just pluck this 'idea' itself out of thin air because it suited him. (thus maybe for him to be absolutely cornered on this one - therefore just one idea focussing on this point specifically) as surely it's a given that any suggestion in this direction - seems fairly preposterous no end. a cruel & injust insult to intelligence even. For the neutral observer, blessed with at least the bare modicum of common sense even, who then takes the time to look into it - A claim in this direction, especially without anything solid to back it up with, must surely serve to shoot or tear down his credibility and then some. miniature trees just dont, alas simply can't, figure in respect to sunshot photo. end of. (and anyway he kept changing his general opinion or theory of how sunshot photo was done - whats with that? - very conjectural - these skeptics tend to be - bad philosophers) and especially dogged & sticky/slippery customer is this one...in spite of the fact that most of the time he doesn't have a leg to stand on! which is ironic..guess to give him some credit - he seems to play his 'role' very well! | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 1535 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Norm and Michael.... Interesting input you mentioned, there Norm! Yes, I guess...many whom once were associated with...now finally have their EYES OPEN! And, can now perceive his agenda, if you will. Perhaps, he does need/want some attention?? To boost his profession? He should know, that in the end....NOTHING...not even the greatest lie..can out live: TRUTH. Michael, well put. He, just as everyone else has been - Mislead -, and perhaps...his Conscience....is eating away, so to speak? Any/every human can turn Inward, and see the light...so to speak. And when it starts 'eating away' One is indeed...in search for Deliverance, so to speak. Guess, it is for him just as many on Earth: a step-by-step processing. As you may know, we are not all at the same Spiritual Level. One day, Ignorance and Unknowingness will vanish...and TRUTH will prevail. [Yeah, sounds corny, eh...but, as Billy would say: that is just how it is!!] In the end...Power is nothing in comparison with (Creational) TRUTH! They all have to walk over that 'threshold', one day..... Edward. | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 531 Registered: 10-2005 |
Since this concerns Michael's debate with Kal Korff it falls under the heading of FIGU Miscellaneous Discussions... As Billy previously mentioned... negative press only works against the negative party and actually helps get the word out... Light Years, by Gary Kinder was written and copyrighted in 1987... it is still protected by copyright laws... There were a few mistakes in the book but it was well written as far as I've read (am on Chapter Six page 91). There are ten chapters in the book. As with anything, treating each situation as Billy suggests... with a neutral-positive attitude by not imposing rules and regulations but instead... questions to help the public and Kal Korff think... are aligned line with Plejaren and Arahat Athersata concepts and policies. | ||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 02-2009 |
salome, regarding the "force field" pic where jet fighter and beamship can be seen,i just read from the supplementary investigation report page no:302, "In one of our compter analysis excercises while testing one of these 14 April,1976 Schmarbuel photos with the jet airplane in the same photograph with the spacecraft,we were going through computer steps in ""cancelling known data" in the computer in a search for any harmonic effect of frequencies beyond the visual range,when suddenely in one of the steps,Jim Dilettoso discovered that he had revealed what appeared to be a field of some kind radiating from the UFO under attack by a Mirage jet Fighter of the Swiss Army....That photograph Dilettoso was studying was one of the four Meier photos that was analized exhaustively by every known process.It was during this same computer work,in a series of steps made using "Color Filters",that we discovered that we could reveal the heat plume from the exhaust tailpipe of the jet aircraft and profile its heat envelope contours,when nothing of this could be seen in the original photograph."   [1] IS it not a valid process to evaluate the object in the photograph?[i assume this because,Wendell Stevens in his reports,didnot elaborate anything more on this nor in any IUFOC conferences] [2] "harmonic effect of frequencies beyond the visual range"...is it a known method to find frequencies beyond visual range with that Jim's equipment? [3] Only 1 person commented on my "Force field" pic,and the rest didnot..Am i disussing an already known,recognised topic or just that u guys have no adequate info on this process? p.s: if the process done to find out the force field and the plume behind jet fighter is valid..then it is one of those impossible things to fake...with a small model..[or can it be made with a small model?]. Fear not what is not real,never was and never will be.What is real,always was and cannot be destroyed. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1119 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** * Hi Mahigitam, [1] YES [2] YES [3] "...an already known,recognised topic..." = Yes Salome * *** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 762 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi JRod, you answered question number 2 YES. I am very interested in this and haven't seen any info on it aside from Stevens' books. Can you tell me where you have your info from so I and others can also look into this technology? Thanks for your help and have a great day :-) Thomas patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Jgarbush Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 09-2009 |
Rarena Since you are reading Gary Kinder's book I would guess you know a little more about him than I do. Kal Korff stated that he debated Gary Kinder's on a radio show (which I've never been able to find) and caused him to lose his faith with the Meier material and he pulled the production on the book as well. I was hoping that you might have some insight on that. | ||
Sanjin Member Post Number: 74 Registered: 06-2009 |
Mr. Horn, you're probably familiar with this article, but if not, here are some good ones: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Best_evidence_article,_Internet,_January_2009 I would also add to that the amount of information that Billy Meier has put forth. There is probably no other person on Earth, who has provided so much valuable information, and still about 35 years after the first contact with Semjase, it is gaining credibility and support on a daily basis. Some quotes from the spiritual teachings should also be quite good to add. Just my three cents... 36.The human is another person, when, surrounded by the rays of the heavenly creational sunrise, the pure delight of awakening nature streams through him. | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1120 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** * Hi Thomas, The Field surrounding the BeamShip, extending out to the Fighter Jet, ultimately burned-out the jets' targeting console electronics. The Field itself was found by scanning the photo(s) in the Infra-Red, which is a simple harmonic of the light frequencies. The description of the advancement in computer scanning and software for exponential analysis (originally developed by NASA for photos sent back from Mars probes), is found in the Photo album book: UFO...Contact From The Pleiades, Volume II, by Lee and Brit Elders, published 1984 by Genesis III Publishing of Phoenix Arizona, on page 62 of this beautiful photo album. I have the certified #4994 copy of the publishers first-run production. I hope that you may be able to find a copy of this, or some collector willing to part with one, as this is a true treasure. Salome * *** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Elreyjr Member Post Number: 77 Registered: 01-2009 |
Greetings Michael, please see if we can mention/highlight that contact reports/written materials/evidences (photos,video) have copyright. the burden of establishing authenticity is shared with the issuing Swiss authority. Jun | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 287 Registered: 10-2008 |
Mr. Kinder was up against alot , being a neutral reporter of the case . The negativity that one encounters in such a position must be enormous . In my life , I have experienced certain coldness fom individuals that I will describe as acquaintances , in regard to speaking about the geisteslehre , in an observed neutrality , not going too far in the description. One will really feel the heat when they speak on the radio or television . Michael Horn seems to be the exception , cool under pressure because he's always well prepared . I wouldn't take KKK's version of Kinder's attitude to heart , who seems to use his silence as a "Judas/Juda" example , against the mission . He probably has had his say , as well as his write , and lives his life in his own way . You can't revoke someone for that . MC |
