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Jgarbush
Member
Post Number: 47
Registered: 09-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 04:21 am: | 
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Lmukiraine
From what I've read Billy states that conspiracy theories are not real but made up to strike fear into man to create mob mentality and make money. On a personal note, since I've seen that documentary, I think there are some valid facts that may have misconstrued into something they really aren't. Here's a link to something I think really nails it on the head with what's really going on http://fora.tv/2009/04/22/Conservative_Comedy_with_Political_Satirist_PJ_ORo urke |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 695
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 04:52 am: |
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Hey Lmukiraine,
You've given many here a great opportunity to answer for themselves whether Obama, or I should say, President Obama, is all that, as the enthusiastic proclaim. Take all the demographic, economic, historical, worldly, etc., info, an decide for yourself. Here, I'll help you....
Of course you've actually asked for an opinion, an informed opinion at that, so I won't disappoint.
Now,
There's chess, and there's checkers. Two different board games based on thinking, and developing, a winning strategy as the only repeatable way to create wins. Chess is a more advanced game, with levels of power, that can easily showcase ones abilities at comprehending what's needed to finish on top. Checkers, well anyone can get lucky and win as the depth of comprehension isn't as necessary.
So, back to your request.
There's Bush, and there's Obama. When Bush was President, he could do the most awkward things and the MSM(main stream media) would not draw your attention to such events. And remember, Bushes decisions are a main factor for the USA being in such dire straights.
And now, if President Obama so much as bows a little to low to a leader of an important nation, the media nearly presents that he has sold out the USA to some foreign interest.
Also, the Federal Reserve is not an element one should use as a barometer to size a person, or claim, up against. There are no equals to examine or question the Federal Reserve. This monster has an unequaled appetite for distorting history.
Another point of needed open discussion is this: After being away from this forum as long as your post would seem to imply, one would assume your first question to be asked would center around the spiritual teachings, or, events that verify the reality of its truthfulness. It's a very odd approach your using to re-associate yourself here.
So, ........ drum roll please..... my opinion is this: (because you asked for it, right?!) The predisposition of your thoughts in regards to this pondering of the "OBAMA Deception" truthfulness is blatantly presented as a loaded question to 'stir up the pot' regarding the idea of an "EVIL OBAMA NWO" fallacy. Sorry, I don't buy such cheap products being pedaled about by 'nostalgic forum members'.
I didn't just fall off the turnip truck, I was pushed!
Hint: More homework finished properly generates better outcomes, I'm just saying!
a friend in america
Shawn
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 83
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 06:14 am: |
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I, too, am curious how Barrack Obama can be less than vilified by people who are paying attention. Although he isn't doing everything that his zionista puppetmasters have directed him to do, he is doing enough to keep them placated, and everyone else on path for ever more consolidated world domination by the IOJ (International Organized ___ - if you don't know who they are, I am not telling on this board). Anyway, yes, do tell - why is Obama an upstanding character - my ears are open.
Love is always the way
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 285
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 01:48 pm: |
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Another armchair expert .
Please save us , and give a solution to the problem .
Until then , you ARE part of the problem . |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 319
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 03:37 pm: |
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Sitkaa ... imo, Obama is a human being of 'upstanding character' because he is willing and open to learn and to change . He hears his critics, considers their views, can learn from them, will address their concerns, unlike his predecessors 'my way or the highway' mentality. I am not saying he's perfect or that I even agree with what he is doing. I don't like many things but he is a quick learner from his many mistakes and he isn't afraid to change course when he recognizes his mistakes. |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 697
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 03:16 pm: |
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Hi Sitkaa,
None of us here can truly comprehend the challenges of being the leader of such an intricate and complex country. To this I can add that following after Bush's 8 years of turning the government into a tool to enrich all his handlers beyond their wildest dreams, President Obama is faced with a tsunami-sized job of repairing a sinking ship, full of truck-sized holes, that is already sitting on the bottom of the ocean. I'll make it shorter, a disaster.
Now, before he was President, he had to become President. This means that he needed to crush, what seemed to all observers, Hilary Clintons guaranteed selection for the Democratic Party's Presidential nominee. Mrs. Clinton had everything in place and could never imagine losing to Obama, no one early on did either. This didn't even figure into Barak's thinking, it couldn't of our he would of never won.
Here again, no one here can honestly imagine what it would be like to take on such a task as this undertaking. Yet, with a solid plan that he deployed he dismantled his competion against all the odds. Remember, he is an African-American. I didn't want to mention this part but since it adds to the challenges he faces I did. After winning the nomination, he now needs to crush the Republican/Corporate juggernaut of corruption that is in complete control of every level of our political system. Our system of checks and balances to protect our country of laws had been eviscerated and replaced with a country with a repressive leader that didn't answer to the people. Yet this monster was defeated, handily I may add, by the leadership of Obama and his organization he created on the way to the battle. Truly impressive if analyzed from a neutral point of view.
Ok, now he's the President. Just because he won doesn't mean the monster is dead. This beast has tentacles, land mines, agents, tripwires, boobytraps(blue dresses, hehe), time bombs, subterfuge, screaming yellow meanies, dog haters, and black helicopters all aimed at him, all the time. If he has a decision to make, say something like having mustard or grey poupon on his sandwich, it doesn't matter which one he chooses, the screaming yellow meanies will say he chose the one that proves he's trying to destroy America(when it's their job damn it!) and scream this while smashing their heads against the wall in some crazy ceremony only the TeaBaggers understand.
So, why is he such an upstanding character, (another drum roll please.....thank you)..............because I say so. Do you like my OPINION? I do. Why? Because I can reason. Human's have this amazing tool to discover reality, but some of us just refuse to properly operate this great feature we all possess, even you my friend.
Of course we need as much information that surrounds a potential discovery to accurately receive a clear response when using the tool of reason. I would check the chapter in the operators manuel that describes its proper use, care and feeding. If yours is an outdated edition(biblically speaking here) Billy can set you up with the proper, eternally correct, edition.
Surf is up, my work is done here, and the talker is leaving....good day.....
a friend in america
Shawn
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Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 26
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 05:43 pm: |
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Like Billy said, Obama is better than the others, so I'm sure he is. But what standard is he being held to? The saviour coming in to liberate America or the real one where he can only do the best he can. He's only human and bound to make mistakes, hopefully the mistakes he makes doesn't lead to WWIII. |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 27
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 06:43 pm: |
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"Yes, I am familiar with your posting. Was mentioned at the PAR/Pl'sRREal
board.
I also thought it to be an incidental occurrence. And which would not mean,
that all vaccines were produced in such manner(?).
But, in how far it is linked to the Gulf War I Illness components is made
clear, but perhaps...there is still a difference in the producing of it; i.e.,
whilst they improved it this will result that these upgrades are somewhat
different in it's composition? Which I think we also have to take heed to??
Edward."
Hi Edward, not sure what the PAR/Pl'sRREal board is, maybe you could enlighten me 
Yes it was an incidental occurence, and yes vaccines are produced in that manner but since those who work there are human, what are the chances it may happen again?
Health Canada has recently recalled over 100,000 doses of the swine flu vaccine because of severe side effects and a few deaths. The WHO has already come out swinging saying there is no causal association between the deaths and the vaccine. Now how the heck would they know that, so soon? I'm assuming it's the adjuvant type which has the added ingredients for your body to absorb it quicker.
PHAC's reply saying that it came from Mexico only affirms my belief that the laws governing patents and intellectual property is far more important (money wise) than the lives of many. They can't just come right out and say the virus was man made. If they did that, what confidence would we have in the pharmaceutical industry? None? And what would happen to their stocks? It might trigger another stock market crash. |
Lmukiraine
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 09:06 pm: |
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Hi Folks,
I haven't been on the forum since 2001 actually, and now I think I remember the reason for leaving to begin with!
Kingman, the choice of what subject I wish to enquire about is entirely mine. For you to suggest what I should and should not be asking is very condescending in my view. For you to further speculate that I am trying to stir up things when I seek explanations is patently unfair. I suggest you carefully consider what you wish to say before you post the first thing that comes to mind!
As inhabitants of this planet, spiritual matters should be our primary concern but not our only concern.
Jgarbush, I'm familiar with BEAM's comments on conspiracy theories but I think it is incorrect to label all so-called conspiracy theories as fantasy as sometimes they can be founded on the truth. We must learn to judge for ourselves using our own intellect.
Back to Obama, has anyone noticed how many of his pre-election promises he has actually kept? For the most part he seems to be doing the OPPOSITE of what he promised. Guantanamo Bay, troop withdrawal, negotiated peace in Palestine. etc etc ad nauseum. |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 86
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 21, 2009 - 09:22 pm: |
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Justsayno: yes, that is the standard by which I am measuring Obama as well. He ain't perfect, in fact he is pretty far from it. But hopefully his antics won't lead to WWIII.
Still nobody explained why I should believe in his audacious hope. The man is just another criminal, one of a long line of them in public office. But hopefully his antics won't lead to WWIII.
Actually, I do believe that he is trying to make the world a better place, regardless of how he got to where he is. However, he is manipulated behind the scenes (and not so) by an arbitrary tribalism. But hopefully his antics won't lead to WWIII.
We deserve the elected officials that we settle for.
Love is always the way
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Phenix
Member
Post Number: 310
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 05:14 am: |
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Greetings,
Dear moderators,
Regarding this Obama issue and other topics, which keep bouncing back every now then and repeating themselves, isn't time to regularly remind/indicate to members, new and old, that there is a 'Search Machine' at our disposal on the forum? - the way it is being done at the German forum.
It would help spare time and attention, and hence allow us to move forward.
Wishing a neutral-positive smooth Peace Meditation to all,
Salome. |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 698
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 07:04 am: |
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Lmuk,
Thanks for your reply. It's not always that the first thing that comes to mind that can be troublesome, it's usually second guessing that comes out wanky. What can be part of intuition is imbedded in ones first impression.
As for your new question, which points exactly at what I said in my last post, stirring it up style-wise, no I don't notice anything even close to what you, and Sitkaa, bite at the bit for, Obama is puuuurfectly working diligently at his NUMBER ONE campaign promise-HEALTHCARE REFORM. I realize there's no cure for blindness, but I'll try my best even though I'm not a doctor.
Difficult as it is to work against the absolute determination of a Republican Party to fight every stinking inch of progress, he has still moved forward. But obviously you can only see through the eyes of such resistance like the party of "NO!"(Republicans) and pronounce imaginative negative visions of President Obama. FIGU is not the place for this type of phishing for Obama-bashing. Not if you come here bleeding and the sharks never left. Note: Sharks have lived unchanged for 200 million years or more, obviously nature requires this beautiful animal for its balance. Chomp!
Now I remember the reason why you left too! Bush had stolen the elections and your work of subterfuge wasn't needed anymore! I'm sorry, wait, no I'm not sorry, if you think I'm unfair. Such a statement by yourself is telling.
As inhabitants of this planet, this planet should be our primary concern. Not trying to correct everything your saying, just clarifying things around here. No planet=no people.
Words such as, " ad nauseum", used by you, or, "criminal, antics(3 over used times LOL!)", used by Sitkaa, just show the pre-disposed nature for Obama-hating, as well as agenda. Yah, I said it, agenda. I know, I'm being unfair. It's more fun. My bad. Tooth hurts!
Quote of the day: "If you can't have fun in life, try a thicker skin."
How about some suggestions for improving this world instead of the gloom-vision sulking. Just a thought. Take care and have a nice day!
a friend in america
Shawn
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 87
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 04:00 pm: |
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"How about some suggestions for improving this world instead of the gloom-vision sulking. Just a thought. Take care and have a nice day!"
This is the second time I have been given an admonition to help the world instead of being part of the problem. I like this talk !!! - it is action talk, hopefully not empty grandstanding.
Okay, I have posted a couple of things in the section "How to Improve the Mission" (which I read as how to raise the vibe of the world), as well as elsewhere on this board. I got lot and lots and lots of ideas about that.
The Obama dude does not concern me that much, he is mostly just another zio-ornament anyway. Yeah, lets talk about stuff that can move past that - dealing with putting together a better economic system, addressing overpop in a way that people will adopt rather than run from it, working to integrate religious thinking (like Catholicism, Scientology, Zionism, and even the Religion of Obama...) with the grounded reality of creational thinking.
Perhaps in 25 or 30 years we can have a single religion, Earth-wide, that points the way to directly perceive reality. Perhaps in the same time-frame we can set the stage for a society based on better planning/economics. Perhaps we can help bring about sustainable population numbers.
I mean seriously, am I the only one here who thinks these things are possible? I don't think so. Life is too short, so go ahead, focus on something real instead.
Love is always the way
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Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 32
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 06:55 pm: |
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Shawn, I understand how you feel, it seems that Obama has given the U.S. a new lease on life. But if you were to refer back to my very first post on here, it says that Jeremy Scahill (author of Blackwater) said that there are now twice as many hired mercenaries in Afghanistan, than there are actual troops. I don't think he's lying about that. Do you think Obama knows this? Of course he does and what is he doing about it? Yeah, I don't know either. Every time I hear a politician is a lawyer, I realize that every thing they say cannot be trusted. Lawyers have to be pretty greasy to defend people who they know are guilty of crimes. Plus they know the law so well, they will be unable to utter anything that would be detrimental to their career. But I do wish you well with your new President and I really don't think he's a bad person.
Improve the world, you say? Smile more!!! |
Lmukiraine
New member
Post Number: 3
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, November 22, 2009 - 10:21 pm: |
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Ok, I can't actually waste another moment engaging know-it-alls who believe they can read our minds & should think for us!
Is there anybody else more objective who has any useful comments to offer on what seems to me to be changing agenda's of the Obama administration? Most recently is the about-turn relating to the Israelis and their continued building of settlements in the occupied territories. These acts of provocation by the Israelis, which guarantee the failure of any peace process with the Palestinians, go uncensured by the U.S thereby eroding the U.S's credibility as a peace broker.
Furthermore, is there any credence to the claims that a New World Order totally dominated by a banking elite is the primary agenda of an alliance made up of the Bilderberg Group, the Trilateral Commission and the Council of Foreign Relations?
PS - The recommended searches were performed but nothing I found satisfactorily answers my questions |
Jgarbush
Member
Post Number: 50
Registered: 09-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 23, 2009 - 03:35 am: |
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Lmukiraine
Thank you for the correction. You are right they are made on facts. My point was that people take the facts and twist them around. I'm still doing my research on topics like this, but I'm learning to tread lightly. |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 33
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 23, 2009 - 08:18 am: |
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Hi Lmukiraine, check this out:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16111
I think when people realize what's really going on, they may have a change of heart (like I did).
I believe the Bilderberg Group can only try and influence the nations, but public opinion may differ from what they're after. As my old premier Ralph used to say find out what direction popular opinion is heading and get out in front of it. |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 292
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:34 am: |
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Sitkaa ;
"zio-ornament" .
Please provide reference proof to support your comment . |
Jgarbush
Member
Post Number: 51
Registered: 09-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 23, 2009 - 10:21 pm: |
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Justsayno,
I think you are a little paranoid. Every military has to train and part of being an elite military means you have to train in all terrains. The person who wrote this article forgot to mention that we also bring foreign troops to America to train in the same way we go the their country. There is no conspiracy here in this article nor anything out of the ordinary. I come from a long line of military (10 generations) and this is normal for just about every military in the world (French Foreign Legion trained in Vietnam during the conflict). Also, in this article they state that the US is spending 45% or so on the military which is the highest percentage of the budget ever. Your writer must not know about the cold war or WWII days when they spent more than 65% of the budget on the military and around 10% on social programs. Since the 70's that has flipped and during peace time we spend somewhere around 35% of our budget on the military and 65% +/- on social programs. If you want to talk about control and conspiracy you are looking in the wrong place. You should look at the social programs being offered today such as welfare, free healthcare, and many other handouts. As my grandfather used to tell me, if someone gives you a dollar they own you until it is paid back (i.e. you can't get SSI if you smoke or the hoops you have to jump through to get help once you've received assistance). If there is any type of control going on it would be through social programs not war. |
Lmukiraine
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Monday, November 23, 2009 - 11:13 pm: |
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Thanks for that Justsayno, that was a most fascinating article which seems to support the allegations of Obama's duplicity. What worries me is that President Obama has this messianic effect on the masses worldwide whereby they totally overlook his contradictory words and actions.
As for the architects of the New World Order their tools seem to be very subtle and insidious so that the masses will unwittingly accept their terms and end up enslaved before they even realise it! If you look at the financial institutions and their control over debt for example, this itself renders the debtor a slave to the institution. The masses can resist if they are vigilant, unfortunately history has shown that the opposite is the case. One must expose these power-hungry controllers for what they are, if the masses revolt against their tyranny then they cannot maintain their control.
For those who say we should only focus on the positive, does this mean you should put on blinders with regard to the realities around you? We should certainly exert all efforts in the direction of universal progress for the Human Race and for the protection of Earth with all its flora and fauna but we must be aware of what's going on around us. Forewarned is forearmed and ignorance is the original sin after all.
Peace & Love,
Louis |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 91
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 10:34 am: |
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Mark, re: the zio-ornament for the christmas tree. Again, under slight protest as this isn't what I want to focus on.
Although he was born in Kenya (according to many, many solid sources), Obama's history begins with him being raised by his Jewish mother primarily in the US (FYI: Jewishness is supposedly passed down through maternal lineage). As he was growing up, traveling abroad as an Indonesian citizen, he was exposed to many things that seemed to provide him with a broader perspective than most Americans. I cannot truly fault him for these things, for he was raised with a genuine American perspective, and is thus, to my mind, American, though not legally allowed to serve as a Senator or as the President, both because of his citizenship in Kenya and because of the same in Indonesia.
From whence exactly his deference to Zionism's cause stems, I cannot pinpoint. Perhaps he feels his Jewish roots, even though Jews (like many people) are often somewhat prejudiced against darker skinned peoples. Perhaps it has to do with his communist tutors and father-figures as he was growing up (Communism is primary a Jewish movement). Or perhaps it was the base of people who funded and pushed him into power into Chicago under strange circumstances just a few years ago, the core of whom are predominantly Jewish.
However, what is certain is that he has chosen more closet zionists (and not so hidden - consider Biden's "I am a Zionist!!!" proclamation) to serve in his cabinet than any previous president. The person he most relies upon is his Chief of Staff, Rahm Emanuel, an adamant zionist. And you can go down the chart and list the zionists in key positions serving right now inside the Beltway. That's gotta have some impact on you.
Indeed, Obama's saving grace, as far as I can tell, is that he isn't following the demands of the zionists as much as they would like. Else we would already have gone to war with Iran, and subsequently Russia, China, etc.
But you want documentation, not just common sense.
Okay, uhm, I guess I will have to use google, just like what you could if you wanted to.
Here is Christopher Bollyn's website - he is an investigative journalist with a relatively objective perspective who has been researching and writing about Jewish (and Christian right-wing) political corruption for years. You should be able to find enough stuff about Obama (and Bush and Clinton...) to you busy for awhile.
http://www.bollyn.com/index.php
Beyond that, I think you should use your own sense of google to find your direction. Warning: once you start going down that path it might take awhile (years) to be able to make sense of what you find. To truly make sense of it all I would suggest putting it into perspective like this author:
http://cliffordshackforum.blogspot.com/
and especially, http://cliffordshack.com/oil_chrono.html
Which ultimately makes it easy to make a connection between some "Giza Intelligences" and the people who have been running Europe for the past few hundred years.
Good luck in your endeavors.
Of course whenever one mentions Jews or Judaism in way that can be construed as slightly racist, there is danger of arrest now. So, allow me to be perfectly clear - Jewishness isn't a race, nor is it a religion. It is instead an arbitrary tribalism developed to serve a purpose. And as such the people who consider themselves Jewish are largely deceived by it - instead, the truth is that they are just people like everyone else. To self-associate with Jewishness (the religion) or Jewishness (the race), is to engage in self-deception for the furtherment of a deliberately obfuscated cause which does not serve the greater humanity, but rather only serves Jews. At least Zionism is an honest political movement in this regard - Jews first, last, and always.
Now that you know what I think about this in greater detail, I hope you don't ask me to prove anything again. If you can't find enough on your own, I can point out some directions - but I would really rather focus on the Plejaren material here. Else, think what you want, I think Obama is a zio-ornament ripe for this year's Christmas tree.
Love is always the way
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 95
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 07:42 pm: |
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Re the birth issue, a CONSERVATIVE radio talk show host today agreed when a caller, who was also not pro-Obama, pointed out that if there was the slightest real chance that Obama was not an American citizen then it would have been HIllary Clinton who would have LOUDLY raised the issue during the campaign. |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 699
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 24, 2009 - 09:31 pm: |
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Siikaa,
Your post is complete rubbish. Oh, and more rubbish!
a friend in america
Shawn
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