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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 116
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 03:48 pm: | 
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Matthew,
Well you are right in the sense of not taking anyone's word for everything. There are some things that we may never know for sure.
Actually, I don't think that he must always tell his opinions and information publicly, I just think that when he does, he always tries to be as accurate and truthful as possible. Otherwise, since we've all been treated to the article on concealment vs. lies, he could simply conceal, rather than lie about things.
This would apply as well for any situations in which he really did need to act protectively of others. So I think that the defense that he uses for the most part is simply silence/concealment, rather than deliberate falsifications. Therefore, it's most likely that he (and Ptaah, etc.) tell the truth about history and events as they know it. That they may not reveal everything is another matter. |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 310
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Friday, December 18, 2009 - 10:25 pm: |
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In any case Matthew , you have made a assertion of unlikely "facts" ; and yet through it you show a willfulness to force your opinion on a group of people who by nature , regard these type of comments as inappropriate .
A little chocolate sauce for our pizza , in so many words .
You made a typical passive aggressive statement here to Earthling , one that I find to be quite mindless .
I don't mean to insult you , but here's one ,so catch . Now ... we know what you think .... again .
MC |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 117
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 06:19 am: |
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"Maybe the greatest conspiracy is simple the disinformation process and its disseminators."
Michael,
As someone who has been down this path to considerable extent, I must agree with your insightful postulation. Deliberate disinformation is one of the biggest problems we have on Earth.
There are ways to combat this campaign, but they really haven't been developed very well as yet. For instance, one idea would be to put together algorithmic software that reads through databases of news articles, and relates authors, subjects, facts, and opinions, deriving a customizable scale of truthfulness. I am sure such software already exists for the clandestine services (similar to Echelon, Carnivore, etc.), but not for the general population.
Love is always the way
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Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 118
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 06:33 am: |
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MC
No offense, but you also come on abit strong. The pot calling the kettle black... I know I do as well, as do probably many other people. And there is nothing wrong with having deep-set beliefs. It just means that they are slower to be self-challenged.
For what it is worth, I also have a personal stake in knowing exactly what went on at Montauk, since I was there as a babe.
Love is always the way
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Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 354
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 06:25 am: |
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December 16 2009. Santiago Chile.
I count 11 objects. Swamp gas, balloons, conventional aircraft, flares ??? Sure are behaving strangely if that's the case. What do they look like to you ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fn2xAs8ZnI
Cheers.
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Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 52
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 12:01 pm: |
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Matthew said "Although mind-control was indeed done at Montauk, the bulk of what was done to the workers was programming, distinct from mind-control in that it is literally a programming of the human brain and personality instead of a mere influence upon the human senses."
I agree as this is used in the alternative health field, so for some nutjobs to get a hold of the techniques and use it for their own purposes, doesn't surprise me. Earthlings friend may not remember, free run of the facilities doesn't really sound like something that actually happened there. So even that memory brings doubt to my mind. Maybe more people will come forward until it becomes public knowledge. But if you're trying to get the U.S. government to come out and say, yes we've been doing secret ops on our people for years, that's not going to happen. The only thing we can rely upon (other than the contact reports) is more documentation becoming unclassified. I'm pretty sure that Billy is unable to bring information forward that brings up criminality. It's up to us to bring documents to the table. That's where Billy has to be really careful, he cannot finger anyone specifically, other than black ops, New York group and the like. On the other hand, we can!
Sitka, why were you there as a baby, if you don't mind me asking? |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 53
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 12:15 pm: |
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Hi Ramirez, I also counted 11 too. But starting at 2:00 there is a huge structure that looks somewhat like a power tower and looks like the balls of light are moving along the lines? Did you notice that and at the end you can't see that structure anymore. The power tower is a lot higher than the city, would that mean it's in the foreground? |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 93
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 12:34 pm: |
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"MC
No offense, but you also come on abit strong. The pot calling the kettle black..."
I was just about to say something to the same effect as that. |
Gib_niner
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 03:32 pm: |
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hey Ramirez - good post - similar maybe to this one... (same three ships?!)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZAljOE54gA
also just now that i'm at it - another new one of - allegedly a crashed disk on planet mercury.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HpwTXYAYPDE
Ok, Now returning briefly to meaty topic of crop circles if i may - (a subject of which at times becoming nearly as bad as time travel in the sense of being fairly unfathomable!)
and anyway tying in with the whole concealment vrs lies thorny issue perhaps...
Justsay no - you posted the following
" In the 328th contact of July 20, 2002, Ptaah explained that ETs are not involved in the making of the crop circles. They (the P’s) first suspected this to be the case, but then detected that cosmic influences are involved instead (influencing the ideas of those who are creating the pictures on computers or by hand-drawing). The crop circles are man-made (terrestrial).
There have been UFOs flying above sites where crop circles were made; but they were not involved in the „construction“. Some of those UFOs were coming from our terrestrial future."
Couldn't find that contact as of yet, would like to read more of it. Is there more on exactly what kind of 'cosmic influences' we are talking about here? I can kind of see where the above post is going in that thus all circles are man made - but some however are ET 'inspired' you might say - but also stretching it a bit more even, one could be perhaps forgiven for saying..'indirectly created by them' - as opposed to us in the end...in that they are the real instigators.
nevertheless, just for arguments sake - in contact note 255 - there is definitly the suggestion of the ETs taking a much more direct hand in the affairs of this, ie there is mention of the fact that regarding the crop circles - the P's had made certain 'clarifications' ie the following...
Billy:
"......Many more unknown flying objects make distinct, those equivalent pictograms in great quantities, created from the sky.....Credit these features now in any case with the really genuine grain crop circle pictograms, which therefore mean there is a connection, right?"
Ptaah:
"That is actually so, at least in several cases, with which we concluded our clarifications."
hmmmm just to my mind the word 'clarification' - would seem to be qute a fair bit stronger that 'suspected' - Bit hard to pull back from this word itself - in that maybe is it tending to convey rather more of a degree of overall certitude if you will.
also - to add to what i was saying in a recent post - about David Cayton, Robert Hulse and their conclusion saying that the MAyan circle was not a genuine one - well another thing i noticed in the same contact note of 255 was the following....
Ptaah:
"......The genuine pictograms however, may not be surveyed correctly in that many falsifications are added which alone are the work of terrestrial charlatans and cheats."
Thus, keeping this in mind, conceivably the Mayan could still be a 'genuine' one - yet with indicating factors pointing towards illegitamacy (ie that being board marks as such) being added into it afterwards by the charlatans and tricksters themselves.
anyway just an addendum or afterthought to previous post.
(btw found reading the translation of the info. on the circles to be frustrating - definitly one of the times when felt that some of the real essence of the message was getting lost somewhat from not being able to read the original german text - bit frustrating indeed)
ok Salome. |
Gib_niner
Member
Post Number: 79
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 04:22 pm: |
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hey Ramirez - just noticed something
re: south american clips - hmmm could be conventional aircraft after all.
http://www.youtube.com/./watch?v=HH4yzudcCJk |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 311
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, December 19, 2009 - 10:54 pm: |
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It's always nice to be addressed by new visitors , Darren ; welcome to the forum .
Cheers , Mark |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 355
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 05:06 am: |
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Hi Justsayno,
The towers you mention appear to be cranes .... huge ones used for constructing buildings.
At the start of video the light objects seem located way beyond any foreground structures and towards the end they move right into the distance beyond the cranes. So I dont see any wires or lights moving along wires.
Also remember this is Chile where the government does not put on night displays of conventional aircraft and has no aircraft capable of manuoevering in the manner filmed.
Also from the way they first appear to hover about then rapidly pick up speed and head off in 3 separate formations these cannot be helicopters.
Gib_niner,
This video you linked is obviously a military display but nothing like the 11 objects.
http://www.youtube.com/./watch?v=HH4yzudcCJk
Besides which government would fly conventional military aircraft in formation over a city area at night .... what for ? Displays like that are for air shows.
Chile doesn't do weird stuff like that.
However yes these appear to be the same craft in the same area though closer to dusk and far more than 3 as you mention. So with that I agree and the cranes previously mentioned are now clearly visible .... do you concur Justsayno ?
So if correct the craft spent quite some time hanging about the city ..... must be a reason.
Crashed disk on Mercury .... doesn't look anything that distinct. Might be a rock formation. It's just too vague to make out with certainty.
Cheers.
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Thomas
Member
Post Number: 780
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 05:42 am: |
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BEAM has named many specific criminals.
patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 314
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 09:18 am: |
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Sitkaa ;
No offence taken , which is in part, a neutral reaction , so thanks for your insight . I can't defend my actions , only make them ; and then try to improve . It's a process .
Kind Regards , Mark |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 55
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 09:46 am: |
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Hi Gib_niner, I found that in the answers from Billy section, not sure who actually quoted that  , sorry. I would love to believe that ET's made my circles, they are so simple and beautiful. But logic makes me believe there is some other factor. Like maybe Grace - the satellite laser ranging technology nasa used to map the oceans, land and electromagnetics of the earth. They don't specifically say what the geological effects are but crop circles may be one of them. Who knows what those sky lasers are capable of?
http://www.csr.utexas.edu/grace/
http://grace.jpl.nasa.gov/
ftp://podaac.jpl.nasa.gov/pub/grace/doc/TN-05_C20_SLR.txt
Around the time mine were made, there seemed to be some sort of screw up, they kept on having to restart the tracker. I'm not a techie (in case you haven't noticed, lol), so I can only guess at what this truly means.
It wasn't until the Plegarens got their new technology in 2006 when they were able to clarify that most alien abductions were actually done by black ops. Billy has been consistant in his answers that the crop circles are not done by ET's, only influenced by them. In Billy's question it says "unknown flying objects". What makes you so sure they weren't these laser satellites? Of course the Plegaren would want us to know what's really going on with our earth, so maybe that's the reason, this mapping of the earth has been influenced by them or others so we may know what's happening below the ground and oceans. Interestingly nasa does not tell you what might happen to you if you were outside while the laser passed over you. |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 56
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 10:20 am: |
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Hi Ramirez, yes that's what they are, cranes, good eye! Gib_niner's link shows them in daylight, yes it does looks like 3 distinct craft. The CIA has been in Chile since the early '70's. My friend was held as a prisoner of war from the time she was 13 until she was 16. When she came here she could not believe how complacent we Canadians were with all the crap going on south of the border. I'm sure the CIA is still in Chile, why would they leave when they have so much to exploit?
What would be the chances that they are testing out cloaked drones?. Do you know of any good video that shows drones, so we can compare them?
The disk on Mercury does look pretty cool. If it was a craft, why is it not melted? |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 95
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 01:11 pm: |
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Thanks Mark! 
Cheers |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 356
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, December 20, 2009 - 04:04 pm: |
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Hi Justsayno,
"What would be the chances that they are testing out cloaked drones?"
The idea of cloaking is to conceal. Here we see craft with bright illumination on public display making no effort to vanish.
Given the secrecy surrounding area 51, censorship of NASA footage showing UFO's why suddenly fly so many craft simultaneously over a city ?
Most likely CIA still have interests in Chile plus several other South American nations so perhaps this display is a not so subtle warning to those same interests by whoever controls these craft.
Remember that most nations in South & Central America are predominately catholic so parading fleets of UFO's is hardly a gesture supportive of big papa's religion's notions regarding life in the universe unless it's a precursor to some sort of planned stage show.
Now if you think about the recent vaticano noises "aliens are our space brothers" these official hints are likely preparing the faithful for a day when it becomes obvious that religious spin and fantasy is a lie. In the meantime, business as usual.
The black projects have enough problems keeping single craft from crashing much less simultaneously displaying 11 over a foreign nation. Imagine if one suddenly developed the wobbles, nosedived into a Santiago park or wherever ..... lot's of explaining so they dont take dumb chances of that magnitude.
Cheers.
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Bianca
Member
Post Number: 46
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 21, 2009 - 04:41 am: |
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Ramirez, Remember Australia had a vocal opponent to Pine Gap? look where he is now? Sitting in parliament as Environment minister, what an irony and sad time for this oppressed people.The guy who lost all his consciousness. CIA involvement is everywhere, look at our political system, no surprise we still have the so called Tall Poppy Syndrome, and a people who drink because they are a sad nation. So called the lucky country you may say...? |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1897
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Monday, December 21, 2009 - 06:10 am: |
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Hi Bianca,
What is the "Tall Poppy Syndrome"?
Thanks
Scott |
Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 200
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 21, 2009 - 08:13 am: |
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Hi all
Some of you may or may not know. The northern hemisphere, Europe and USA and possibly others, have been bombarded by snow storms.
Just this month America suffered from a heavy snow storm.
This week it has been reported the washington had 16 inches of snow.
Here in England where i live it as snowed off and on for a few days and today for the past 3-4 hours it has snowed very heavy. About 6 inches of snow already just this afternoon and its still snowing heavy as I am typing this.
Friends in Europe and other parts of the northern hemisphere have said that they are suffering from heavy snow which is unusual for them.
Here is a link to some scientific information.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article598464.ece
What has Billy prophesied for the coming times.
Human being of the Earth
"Worldwide the glaciers and the poles are melting meanwhile, as well as more and more deserts arise. The world's climate rapidly warms, bringing with it even more extremes waves of heat and cold, blasts of fire, droughts, floods, snow and hail storms, and violent storms"
Warning to all the governments of Europe! 1958
"In a few years in Europe and the world climatic conditions will so be crassly altered through the fault of mankind, that all varieties of extreme stormy weather will come into being, from which monstrous material damage will result to land, houses and other buildings, to streets, mountains, railway lines, wild streams, grassland streams, rivers and lakes. There would be many human lives to mourn as a result of the upheaval and storms caused by the climate because already in the next decades a rapidly climbing climatic warming and climatic alteration will result which produces enormous snowfalls, hail, monstrous masses of rain, gales, typhoons, tornadoes, hurricanes and other storms as well as droughts, thunderstorms and forest fires in unimagined quantities, and which would tear over Europe and the entire world provoking gigantic damage"
What is announced comprehensively for the third millennium prophetically and predictively
"Climate change – caused by the overpopulation of your earthly humanity – will entail huge natural catastrophes which will become ever worse and also impinge on your own lives. As a result, in future ever more severe droughts and periods of cold weather as well as vast storms of all kinds, rain storms and fire storms brought forth by forest fires will scourge the entire Earth and bring about destructions full of Gewalt"
There are many more documents from FIGU and Billy telling us what is going to happen to us if we dont change our ways and also reduce our population.
From my thinking we are seeing now the harsh results of what we, the Earth Human, has brought upon ourselves.
Salome
My new Website address - www.ufofacts.co.cc
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Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 59
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 21, 2009 - 11:01 am: |
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Ok Ramirez, how about uncloaked drones? Being that most of South America are Catholics, of course they would think it was ET's because that's what the Vatican is looking for.
Lots of footage of unmanned vehicles:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C62JSgJo39E&feature=related
Spying on their own people in Texas?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BptGsIvEOII&feature=related
(There are quite a few videos, it's amazing how they can hover and move)
Be an advocate for unmanned systems?
http://uav.mckeon.house.gov/
Even Chavez thinks he has unmanned planes flying over his country, and he would have better intelligence on the matter:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/2010554886_apltvenezuelauscolombia.html
On a lighter note, these illusions are incredible:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/puzzles/illusions.htm
It's amazing what my mind saw.
And for those still looking for Jesus, here he is, lol.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/jonah/see-jesus-stare-at-the-four-black-dots-in-the-cen-9fx-b |
Techieatwork
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 21, 2009 - 12:42 pm: |
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> hi Justsayno: > > I don't appreciate being pointed out to an optical illusions page where I would get scared. > > "On a lighter note, these illusions are incredible:" > > I would've thought in this forum, the moderator would filter those ones out. > > How do you handle fear and the impulses it brings to your abdomen > area? How do you chanel it so it's not affecting your day? or your > dreams that following night? > > From my previous experience, fear is a means to control the masses. > Thus why most scary movies are shown at night time, so people remember > the implanted images in their dreams and live fearful > > Your comments welcome. >
Techieatwork, Unfortunately, myself or the other moderators do not have the time to check out every link good or bad. I do occasionally, but not always.
Scott-Moderator
(Message edited by scott on December 21, 2009)
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Salome
Carlos
techieatwork@gmail.com
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