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Vb28
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, January 17, 2010 - 08:28 pm: | 
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> i have heard of the case about i don't know too much about it... other th= an > the video and stuff like that
- even you try you can not think out side the box.
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Syn
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Post Number: 256
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Monday, January 18, 2010 - 12:24 pm: |
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after i looked into it more it seems like this is a genuine case. his story is never different its always nailed down and the same story.
i think we should ask him about it.
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority
-Gerald Massey
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Marksmanr
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Post Number: 140
Registered: 02-2008
| | Posted on Monday, January 18, 2010 - 03:52 pm: |
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My conclusion about the "Jonathon Reed/Rutter incident" after watching 2 videos of it is that it's false.
Reece Stiller
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Chem
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Monday, January 18, 2010 - 07:31 pm: |
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So it appears at this time that the incident has not been discussed in much detail on the FIGU forum or by Billy? (correct me if I'm wrong)
I suppose like any reported case of encounters with non human looking beings, evidence is usually lacking. However, this one does have a few different types of physical eveidence, that being video, photographic, sound recording, pysical artifact and non tangible like the assasination attempt, harrassment, collegues dying/dissappearing etc. In some ways, Dr Reed/Rutter's evidence may be comparible to Billy's evidence as explained above, although only in the variety that is presented.
I'd reccommend looking at all the available material, as it is quite compelling (the coast to coast interview known as 'The Alien in the Freezer' would provide the bulk of the story) and a direct website is odysealink.com.
As a note of comparison, is there not a mention by Meier of a blue skined lineage of beings on our planet in a concealed environment? I wonder if this humanoid is indeed one of those people. If that is the case, then respectively, it would not be an 'Extraterrestrial' for reverences of accidental contact with us humans. |
Indi
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Post Number: 381
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - 05:47 pm: |
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maybe if you read some material exposing Rutter as a fabricator in many ways, may change your minds.
http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 335
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 19, 2010 - 11:58 pm: |
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I can't make myself look in my freezer |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 370
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 02:33 am: |
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Hi Indi,
Thankyou ..... an interesting read containing valuable feedback regarding Jaime Maussan. All is not squeeky clean in UFOlogy circles.
Seems someone has been doing their homework with due diligence regarding the very extensive report at http://www.ufowatchdog.com/exposed10.html
What some folks will do for publicity and money  .... is amazing.
Cheers.
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 97
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 08:26 am: |
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LOL @ Mark's comment.
I don't know, I'm still not totally convinced either way. The sound recording of the alien scream brought tears to my eyes. I guess that means I'm using my emotions instead of my head. It would be a good question for Billy though.... |
Matthew_justin_deagle
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Post Number: 248
Registered: 05-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 03:41 pm: |
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There are many different kinds of humans upon Earth, including several hidden folks, such as the blue-skinned race and the Nagas/Draco, but I would say that this 'alien in the freezer' story is just anti-Extraterran propaganda. I have heard part of the interview, and this Reed character was affecting an angst-mongering tone of voice, among other things.
Salome,
- Matthew |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 135
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 05:15 pm: |
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Right, the Christianized relatively primitive Nagas tribespeople are actually somehow connected to the imaginary Dracos, i.e. "Reptilians", which our storyteller here reminds us are actually "Zionists".
Now I am hesitant to say this but say it I will, I have come to agree with...Dyson that we have in our midst a time-wasting disinformation specialist who has squandered not only his opportunity to contribute translations but the good will of many, myself included.
I will further agree with Dyson that this is effectively a hijacking of the forum and its true purpose, whether "deliberate" or not.
And so long as it is tolerated it will drain away good and vital energy and an actual maturing of both the conversation and the participants here. |
Bronzedesk
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Post Number: 59
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 05:48 pm: |
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The Sleepers Must Awaken !!!
First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns
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Techieatwork
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Post Number: 24
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 06:12 pm: |
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About that Reed guy, I was listening on a program they did in Spanish (Spanish is my first language) with Jaime Maussan (a bit of a sensationalist)
...and it was all "ok" until the moment they produced the bracelet, and they told that Reed did disappear when he used it.. and he was suddenly inside a room full of light and in the presence of a been of light
that was it for me, it doesn't make sense
I am not saying it's not possible, everything is possible, but not until I see it myself
nano-technology is already a reality and I've seen (youtube videos) nano-technology fabric that makes you invisible, in use by advanced armies on this planet (used when they go to obliterate arabs and rob them of their arable land and oil, sadly)... but not something that takes you from A to B and that sort of thing... it's too much
if there's anything I've learnt already while reading all these posts here, is to apply logic first, don't leave emotion take control
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Salome
Carlos
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Chem
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Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 06:21 pm: |
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Thanks for the link, very interesting! The article on ufowatchdog makes a lot of good points about the people involved and their credibility. There still are some issues about the evidence not covered, or glanced over (a common occurance when it comes to debunkers).
So I guess this one for me is another 'I Dont Know' story. |
Smukhuti
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Post Number: 167
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 06:30 pm: |
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Hello Matthew,
I am not aware of any information regarding 'Draco' people living in earth. It is possible that in the Universe we have reptilian-humans (Reptileoids), but according to Billy, there's none in earth, especially as the conspiracy theorists says that they are "hidden in the government planning to conquer earth". This has been extensively discussed in Billy's material.
The Nagas are not another name of Draco. They are living in a small North-Eastern state in India known as Nagaland and are still known by that name.
Salome.
Suv
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Mahigitam
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Post Number: 71
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 20, 2010 - 09:33 pm: |
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The entropy force: a new direction for gravity.
...gravity is a phenomenon emerging from the fundamental properties of space and time...
..consider the concept of fluidity in water. Individual molecules have no fluidity but collectively they do....
..force of gravity is not something ingrained in matter itself, but something of an extra effect...emerging from the interplay of mass, time and space....
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According to contact notes, we will find in future about the real nature and origin of gravity.and said that this effect was an interplay of two opposite but 1 force....Is there any where in contact notes about particles of gravity called gravitons existing....as far as i remember i think yes,it was mentioned....
Fear not what is not real,never was and never will be.What is real,always was and cannot be destroyed.
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Justsayno
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Post Number: 100
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2010 - 07:48 am: |
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Hi Matthew, couldn't an angst-mongering tone be used when you are truly scared? Listen to the alien scream and let me know what you think that could be. |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 1149
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2010 - 04:04 pm: |
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Hi-Yo Matthew_justin_deagle,
As I've just now got myself back to reading these Forum posts, I came upon your post-201 response:
[ "Nature-worship is no different than the culture that the Draco/Nagas have. Nature is just part of the therelihood/Dasein/present-existence of Creation, and not in itself dignible ('worthy') of worship. Even Creation should not become worshipped as is done to gods, tin gods, idols, etc."] -- Matthew
A> Where was Nature worship implied.?
You may have MISREAD my post: "I think the notion that "nature can replace religion" is spot-on."
Nothing here says anything about "worship".
Neither Nature nor Creation call upon OMEDAM for worship, but only for honor and respect.
Granted, there is salve in your reference to "tin gods, &c."
However so be it, Your attempt at 'put-down' falls flat.
B> Whatever do you know about [" the culture ... (of) the ... Nagas"].?
I will extend to you = Not Much.
To even associate the Nagas with the illusory, delusory "Draco" is to dishonor the Naga.
Could we all return to reality here?
C> Whatever does this word mean = therelihood.?
.... Whatever does this word mean = dignible.?
These may have meaning only in context, however not in any Dictionary I know.
A made-up form of self-aggrandizement? -- For shame ... I had hope you would get above this.!
Fine, if you want to create your own language, then absolutely NO-ONE will understand you.
D> You can Baffle some people with B.S., but many of us here do think for ourselves.
So you would be enjoined to stop putting out so much B.S. and get real.
The 'smoke-screen' is getting thin, you stand revealed.
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TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE
Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 808
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, January 21, 2010 - 05:45 pm: |
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" ... he (Matthew) is a crazy know-it-all who understands nothing about the meaning of the 'Goblet of Truth' and the German language therein." Billy Meier, August 6th, 2009
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/10337.html#POST42544
"UNDERSTANDS NOTHING ABOUT THE GERMAN LANGUAGE"
That's being charitable. Just look what (also) non-German-speaking Benjamin is doing with HIS translation software.
Here's what I wrote on this forum on January 1st, 2008:
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/8698.html#POST30743
"And while I’m here on the translations thread, I do NOT want anybody to think that I’m “back on the forum”, but I cannot maintain my silence when I read Matthew “Deagle”, previously known here as the notoriously disruptive “Matthew a_jyb”, poisoning the truth with his WRONG translations and WRONG information about Billy’s precious teachings. He is why I left the forum the first time (to return when he was eventually kicked off) and he is one of the main reasons why I will not return now. In spite of the fact that I told him in no uncertain terms that I would no longer accept his revealing, time-consuming emails [to me], he persisted. Ask him about his occult connections and ask the forum moderators where in the Talmud Jmmanuel it says, “Turn the other cheek.” I will neither debate nor respond to replies to this one-off posting. Salome, Dyson"
(personal correspondence, August 2007)
> ... what he (Matthew)
> tried to do was very degenerate. It could be true what says that he
> has learned from it. In the end of the day seeing as we moderators
> approve posts before it gets to the forum, as soon as there is
> something suspicious we then could instantly delete his account and he
> can forget another chance to get back on the forum.
>
> Salome, Badr
Further reading:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/figuforum.htm |
Earthling
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Post Number: 358
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 05:17 am: |
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Gaiaguysnet/Dyson: If you are lumping (if not, please disregard) "non-German-speaking Benjamin with HIS translation software", in there with "UNDERSTANDS NOTHING ABOUT THE GERMAN LANGUAGE" and is therefore incapable of doing a respectable job at translating; please note:
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=386805075&blogId=525936206
'The following is a statement from Christian Frehner, which was e-mailed to a reader of my page and then forwarded to me. It was originally sent by Christian on January 14, 2010 at 5:17:22 PM EST, and it concerns my ongoing translation effort:'
"I have visited that website quite some time ago, and just now again. In my opinion Benjamin does a good job. Even if the translations are "not perfect", they convey the meaning of the German original. And this is surely helpful for all those people who are eager to learn about the Plejaren information.
As long as he does not give the appearance - or claims - that he's an official or affiliated FIGU website, we don't have any critique against him.
In short: There's nothing that I could say against it. And I think it is clear that anyone who reads the translations is aware (by noticing the style etc.) that those are not perfect translations." |
J_rod7
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Post Number: 1150
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 01:12 pm: |
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Hello Dyson and Vivienne (Gaiaguysnet),
I Just want to thank both of you for the HUGE amount of translated into English material from Billy which you have done over the years. It seemed like I spent endless hours reading all that was on your original website, each link a new discovery. Such delight then, before ever I had found the English FIGU Forum.
I must ask -- why leave the translations to "amateurs," when you do such a great job. There is so much more to do, to bring Truth to the English-only Humans.
["The immutable truth, vital for our future survival, is of PARAMOUNT importance and must be fought for and sometimes delivered harshly because diplomacy is the equivalent of mendacity.
["Creation is truth."] = source =
= http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/figuforum.htm
Salome
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TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE
Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 809
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 03:38 pm: |
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Dear friends,
Let me just say how good it is to be back after a long time waiting in the wilderness.
But times have changed. There is a lot to get on with in the English language now, so the somewhat frantic early translation efforts I made some years ago, to be joined by Vivienne as she got up to speed, are no longer required. When we found BEAM some 7 or 8 years ago the English language seemed to be mostly about flying saucers, and we wanted to give our friend Michael more to get on with – like the core message, being the consciousness-instructions (spirit-teachings). Similarly, I cannot play cop here, and the Dark Order’s hyenas will - once again - keep me so defensive of the truth here that I wouldn’t be able to do the translations I want to do if I tried to play policeman. So I won’t let that happen.
But I am back on line after a year and a half without WWW access, and throughout most of that time I never looked at the forum, but I do know we’ve lost a lot of good contributors. Let’s hope that they can now find their way back. Excuse me please if I don’t do emails anymore. I let that get right out of hand, back in the dark domain master days, with 8 hours a day of personal correspondence, before I started another 8 hour day working on the website. Never again.
I’m still translating as well as trying to get up to speed again with current events. I think David Copperfield starts by stating, “It was the best of times and the worst of times.” That seems to sum up twenty-ten.
Anyway, Earthling, I didn’t make myself clear. I was TRYING to demonstrate that it is no wonder that MJD could so successfully fool non-German-speakers that he could actually read/speak the language, since Benjamin – who admits he has no German – can crank out reasonably accurate “gist” translations like sausages simply by using software and dictionaries. And to say that a translation is “not perfect” is misleading, because NO translation is perfect, especially Billy’s work into the English language. Similarly, a very deep and proficient ability with the English language (as well as the teachings) is required to make an adequate judgement of a translation.
J_rod7, thanks for the kind words. Let me just try to briefly explain the translation process. Oscar Wilde once proclaimed that he spent all morning adding a comma and all afternoon deleting it. And it’s a bit like that with these critically important texts of Billy’s. We spend hours and hours doing the MOST intellectually demanding work imaginable. We have to try to remember every usage of every word and/or expression we’ve ever heard and/or read in both languages, and then also try to remember the “Figuese” neologisms (lit. “new words”) for those words which they improve upon. It is VERY time-consuming, and a good translation as opposed to a machine “gist translation” represents the difference between a meal which is good for you (and sometimes even tasty!) and a meal which might even make you sick. But we also recognize that a major problem is the readers’ often inadequate English, so we just do the best we can as the amateurs we are. To that end, Vivienne studies HARD about 50 hours a week in order to one day be competent enough to be an official FIGU translator of Billy’s precious books. I’m less devoted, and spread my interests further, as well as (in spite of an uncorrected erroneous public statement by FIGU to the contrary) not being a member.
So we’re doing our best, and continue to encourage everybody to make the effort to achieve a “primary comprehension” of German. That means; get to the point where you don’t have to mentally translate everything into your mother tongue. Ultimately, that is what you need to start to fully understand the texts. And it is also required to make a start to making worthy translations.
Cheers!
Dyson |
Gaiawingz
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 03:38 pm: |
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Dyson;
Since this matter appears to concern you so much: Matthew has no 'connections to the Occult' -- he simply studies such matters, on his own and in his own time. Your paranoia about this matter is misplaced.
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J_rod7;
Do you speak fluent German?
For that matter, do you have a comprehensive grasp and understanding of the English language?
If the answer to either (or both) of these questions is no: who are you judge who is an 'amateur' translator and who is not? Whence does this implied-judgment that Matthew is an 'amateur' come?
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Forum-members at large;
Now that Matthew has been banned from the forums, I think it is appropriate that those who wish to discredit and otherwise smear his character should cease their commentary.
Peace;
- Gaia
gaiawingz.wordpress.com
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Gaiawingz
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Post Number: 86
Registered: 01-2008
| | Posted on Friday, January 22, 2010 - 05:25 pm: |
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Dyson;
Please tell me what you mean by the following statement:
'I was TRYING to demonstrate that it is no wonder that MJD could so successfully fool non-German-speakers that he could actually read/speak the language...'
To me, it appears that you are blatantly inferring that Matthew cannot speak or read German. This is absurd to the highest degree. As anyone who cares to look in the German-language FIGU-forum can learn, Matthew is quite fluent in German at this point.
You are behaving very unwisely in this regard.
Peace;
- Gaia
gaiawingz.wordpress.com
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