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Adysor
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Post Number: 217
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Monday, December 21, 2009 - 06:28 pm: | 
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Thanks Michael,
I do remember Billy saying this. There is no present because it is constantly "moving". Our thoughts can't capture it.
Whenever I say this is the present, it has already "transformed" into the past. But if the past is only in our memory, it doesn't really exist does it?
Adrian.
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Earthling
Member
Post Number: 336
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 03:22 am: |
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Adrian ... since you like to engage in existential, philosophical musings/discussions ... if there is no present, then it follows that there is no past or future; since the past was once the present which never existed and the future will some day be the present which doesn't exist.
Which means that there can be no time travel to the past or future if they don't exist, much less if the present does not exist ... hence all such talk is bs. |
Memo00
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Post Number: 396
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 07:24 am: |
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hi
the past must exist in a way otherwise we could not be able to travel to it
it has been mentioned that the Plejaren live in a dimension that is shifted from our space and time configuration a fraction of second, and since it is also said that there exist innumerable dimensions in each universe there must exist many dimensions that are "in our past or the future" right now even if its only for a few fraction of second
as i understand it "our past" is there just that in another dimension, the vibrations of all that exist there are different from all those that exist today because of the expansion of the universe, when you go there you remain in our dimension in a sort of bubble and you are like a invisible ghost, unless you travel using the powers of the consciousness in which case you can really interact with the past but you can´t also change anything, because whatever you do there it must have happened already in the past (which means the future also already exists other wise how someone from there could travel to the past? or to our present time)
i hope this helps and doesn´t cause confusion
and if im wrong say it please
take care |
Adysor
Member
Post Number: 218
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 08:52 am: |
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Yes, Earthling
I don't really believe the present doesn't exist at all. It just doesn't exist for us as a thought. It is always as "past", as in memory/thought. The time for the impulse from the sight or touch or hearing takes a few fractions of a second to get to our brain and "recognize" the experience...no? If that's so, we are always in the "past".
Does that mean that whenever I feel the wind on my face, it is not a real experience but a recollection of a past movement? I don't know...
I begin to wonder if the "present" has a time of its own at all...since every time I want to "look" at the present it has already become past. It is like a fast train moving in front of your eyes. You can never make it stop. In philosophical terms, I can't say this is the present. I can't make it stop to show it to you or to myself; I have to go along with it...
That is probably why Billy said there is no present. The present has not a time of it's own like the past or the future. Right now, in this moment there is no time; there is only life.
But that doesn't mean that there is actually a past or a future. This doesn't mean that life is like a movie, where you can roll it backward or forward. It seems the past only exists because we acknowledge it and the future exists only because we expect other things to come.
Memo00,
"because whatever you do there it must have happened already in the past "
How can things happen in the past? Or did you mean the present?
"which means the future also already exists other wise how someone from there could travel to the past? or to our present time"
That is sound logic...But you assume that you have already traveled in the past. Have you?
Adrian.
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Balkan_spirit
New member
Post Number: 4
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 11:58 am: |
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Hi, guys
How are you doing?
I haven't post my comment for long time since I joined the forum (about a year ago). You've probably heard that "funny" Kal Korff is going to produce his own DVD video finally to "debunk" Billy and his mission. Since I received an email , the answer from M. Horn yesterday , that they are waiting until Kal and sceptics finish their material. After that they will provide clear answers for all his claims.
Here is the latest "sceptic" video and suppostly there are more to come pretty soon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyB_ORjS0do
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GphyWX2bAk
What is your opinion about this "sceptic" try?
Saalome!
Hi Balkan,
What does your post and video links have to do with Time Travel? Please make an effort to research the many topics to locate a suitable area to post.
Thank you
Scott-Moderator
(Message edited by scott on December 22, 2009) |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 339
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 12:31 pm: |
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yo Adrian! ... by your same logic, if one lives in Hoboken, New Jersey; Russia does not exist except as knowledge, as memory, as thought.
If a cold wind hits your face, is the pain real or not? If one is starving, would they engage in philosophical discussive games, or would they be actively searching, in the non-existing present, for food to satisfy their hunger, which does not exist except as an experience recognized by thought? |
Memo00
Member
Post Number: 397
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, December 22, 2009 - 05:19 pm: |
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hi Adrian
we haven´t travelled to the past but Billy and the Plejaren have, there exist a book that was written before Billy was born about the history of magic in which is it is described an object that is a lantern that Billy left
to the future maybe even some of us have travelled, if one travels in a very fast vehicle like plane then you arrive in the future even if its only for a millionth part of a fraction of second (this has been proven using atomic clocks)
take care |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 340
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 03:32 am: |
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Adrian, regarding your postulations and musings about 'thought', and as it may or may not pertain to, or allow time travel:
207th Contact
Monday, March 17, 1986, 9:11 AM
http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=386805075&blogId=523128585
Billy: "For my part, Sfath taught me that there are various forms of human intelligence and, thus, not just one type. Thus, he explained that there is an emotional intelligence, a thought-feeling intelligence, and a creative intelligence, along with a musical intelligence, an intellectual intelligence, an individual intelligence, and a general intelligence. Further, he also mentioned idea intelligence, fantasy intelligence, and character intelligence, as well as consciousness intelligence, but these are not all of the manifestations. All forms of intelligence taken together, namely in their full value, result in the actual intelligence quotient. The higher the quotient is, the more intense and the higher the speed of thought is, with the maximum speed of thought being the speed of light. And the higher the person’s speed of thought and combination is, the higher his intelligence should be." |
Adysor
Member
Post Number: 220
Registered: 03-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 08:56 am: |
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Earthling,
"if one lives in Hoboken, New Jersey; Russia does not exist except as knowledge, as memory, as thought"
You are talking about space, not time. So I don't think this applies in the same way. And in a way it is true. But let's talk about the planet Ferfel(invented name)...Right now this planet exists only as knowledge and thought; all you know about it is its name and probably a few characteristics. Unless you go to it and see it, it doesn't really exist. And the planet may truly not exist. Your assurance that Russia exists is because you have either been there or seen TV images recorded from there or have met people who come from there.
I am not denying that you feel pain when I hit you in the head with a baseball bat.
You may have misunderstood me.
If...ok? If the past and the future exist only in our heads as recorded thought and memory, it means there is no possibility for time travel. That's all...
If the whole discovery with the atomic clocks proves time travel...I have nothing agaisnt it...let's go to the past and future.
Adrian.
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Rarena
Member
Post Number: 550
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 23, 2009 - 12:02 pm: |
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Michael,
Very interesting about that because that would make it possible to go outside of time/space and allow hyperspace travel. Our Swiss friend is very intelligent with the wisdom imparted from and even higher source... |
Jonzie
Member
Post Number: 31
Registered: 04-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 24, 2009 - 03:52 pm: |
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related to explaining past, present, future. I wonder if this true?
New Model of the Universe Says Past Crystallizes out of the Future
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What do you get when the past crystallizes out of the future? According to a new model of the universe that combines relativity and quantum mechanics, the answer is: the present.
What's the difference between the past and the future? Not a great deal, if you take a purely relativistic view of the universe, say George Ellis from the University of Cape Town in South Africa and Tony Rothman from Princeton University in New Jersey.
The standard spacetime diagrams used in relativity accord no special status to the past, the present or the future. That's because they assume that everything evolves from time-reversible local physics.
In fact, it is possible represent such a universe using a kind of spacetime diagram in which space and time merge into a single entity. "The universe just is: a fixed spacetime block,"say Ellis and Rothman. In this view, no instant has any special status ...
http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/24497/
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth."
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1586
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, December 25, 2009 - 12:36 am: |
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Hi Michael.....
Concerning:
Actually, I recall once hearing Billy say something like, "There is no
present, only the past and the future."
Yes, correct. I am also familiar with what you mentioned.
I think some boardees, here...gave some interesting insights.
I think I explained it also, here in the past, but will not repeat, myself.
Edward. |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 119
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, January 02, 2010 - 02:24 am: |
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Interesting to see Dr Michio Kaku says that most of our theoretical physicists (and him) believe that the past CAN be changed. He describes how it can happen and the consequences of it happening too at about the 3 min mark. They're wrong!
Dr Michio Kaku on Time Travel:
5 mins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFLzV5ziWDI&feature=related |
Earthling
Member
Post Number: 363
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 07:05 am: |
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http://amazingsnews.blogspot.com/2010/01/new-single-seat-vw-car-for-600.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+amazingsnews+%28Waoo0oo...!!!%29
What does this car signify to you? |
Stephen_moore
Member
Post Number: 209
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 10:32 am: |
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Earthling
To me, two words spring to mind.
San-francisco and earthquake
Thanks
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Techieatwork
Member
Post Number: 29
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 26, 2010 - 11:40 am: |
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What that car means to me:
- governments wont put as many stops on the imports, because still uses petrol
- it may be the no-side-mirrors type of car that will be rolling by the time things will get ugly in California, i.e. larger earthquake (just a conjecture)
- it also means that I (and many others) will be using the concept to put electric motors into them
but cheap, through away the ICE (internal Combustion Engine) and recondition still for cheap
Or even better, IF possible, do the reconditioning by buying the frame & cabin alone
--
Salome
Carlos
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Mahigitam
Member
Post Number: 85
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 11, 2010 - 09:11 pm: |
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Friday January 29,2010, coast2coastam and the guest was Michio Kaku,
somewhere he mentions that the russians have this theory about time traveling into past...that we cant influence the past even if we go back in time...now according to plejaren that is true..
MIchio Kaku says, we can influence past but when it will not be the same time line..it will create a new timeline...According to plejaren ,is this creation of new timelines wrong?
Blinovitch Limitation Effect
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blinovitch_Limitation_Effect
Novikov self-consistency principle
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novikov_self-consistency_principle
"..the idea of preventing disasters from happening in the past and the potential paradoxes this may cause (notably the idea that preventing the disaster would remove the motive for the traveller to go back and prevent it and so on). The Novikov self-consistency principle states that a time traveller would not be able to do so. An example is the Titanic sinking; even if there were time travellers on the Titanic, they obviously failed to stop the ship from sinking. The Novikov Principle does not allow a time traveller to change the past in any way, but it does allow them to affect past events in a way that produces no inconsistencies—for example, a time traveller could rescue people from a disaster, and replace them with realistic corpses seconds before it occurs. Providing that the rescuees do not re-emerge until after the time traveller first journeyed into the past, his/her motivation to create the time machine and travel into the past will be preserved. (See Millennium.) In this example, it must always have been true that the people were rescued by a time traveller and replaced with realistic corpses, there was no "original" history where they were actually killed, since the notion of "changing" the past is deemed impossible by the self-consistency principle..."
Fear not what is not real,never was and never will be.What is real,always was and cannot be destroyed.
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Smukhuti
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Post Number: 202
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 08:12 am: |
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Hello Mahigitam,
Very interesting subject. People will have a variety of opinion on this. Not sure about the Plejaren take on this. But here is my best effort.
Consider the below sequence of events -
- You have travelled in the past; precisely to 1912 to save a passenger from Titanic and replace it with a realistic corpse.
- According to Michio Kaku, this should give rise to a separate timeline B which should have events similar to timeline A till the corpse was switched and from then on, a separate reality. *
- Actually, you would be living in timeline B the moment you have switched the corpse (intervention moment).
- Now you come back to 2010 thinking you have done a good job, but suddenly remember that you have forgotten your favourite watch in 1912 after you have switched the corpse but just before you boarded the time-machine back to 2010.
- Naturally you now configure your time machine to go back and fetch your watch from timeline B. You now need to not only go in the past, but also to jump to timeline B, which is having a distinct reality of its own, i.e. a material world in a material Universe with its own history separate from timeline A since intervention moment. This would be akin to travelling to a parallel earth or a parallel Universe in the year 1912.
To support all the above statement, we have to now infer that whenever you would travel in the past and change something, that would give rise to a parallel earth/Universe with its own material existence and evolution path. Does existence to parallel earth(s) depends on human free-will? NO. Therefore, is this theory correct? NO.
*(Lets for simplicity, not take into account whether in timeline B the corpse switch was later detected, in any case - reality in timeline B would be different for at least some amount of time.)
Salome.
Suv
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Darren
Member
Post Number: 160
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 05:46 pm: |
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I seen Dr Michio Kaku in other documentaries say that its possible to go back in the past and change something (like kill your dad) and what happens is a parallel universe is created, or it goes into one of the other 11 parallel universes. I never heard him mention anything about a new timeline being created. Maybe he nows means their the same thing? Either way his wrong. |
Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 206
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 09:50 pm: |
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In Asket Contact Reports, Billy travelled with Asket and Jitschi to meet a 13th century Rabbi Jechieli. Jitschi left a 20th century battery powered torch which inspired Jechieli to construct electric powered devices around his house and went down in history aptly as Eliphas Levi wrote in his "History of Magic" on page 206:
"Everything which one can say about this lamp and its magical power of illumination provides evidence that Jechieli had discovered electricity or, at least, knew the primary possibilities for its application, because this knowledge, which is just as old as magic itself, was passed down from generation to generation as one of the keys to the higher initiations."
Refer: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Asket%27s_Explanations_-_Part_3
So it can be inferred that it is possible to be "part of history" but not in a manner of killing myself 10 years ago as there is a "Creative Protection" which prevents such things from happening. I read that in a Hans Lazendorfer post from the German forum. Also it can be inferred that the concept of timeline is wrong.
Salome.
Suv
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1677
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2010 - 12:10 am: |
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Hi Mahigitam, Smukhuti and Darren....
Have also seen some Documentaries concerning Dr. Michio Kaku, on certain
aspects. He still has his own 'views', but which of course derived from the
past and today's Relativity aspects/theories, which should still be considered
as 'flawed' in many areas of research.
Parallel Universes in the making, in the sense as you mentioned Darren, are in
most cases very Fictional. Just as is seen in may Hollywood motion pictures
scenarios. Very Misleading...for those whom are still ignorant to the facts.
Leaving 'objects' behind in the past, as Suv mentioned, would be another case
of processing and less damaging, than when a human is left behind, so to
speak. Just a matter of: a Dead object and a Living object, so to speak.
And the "Creative Protection" Suv speaks of can also refer to the Spirit
Levels, whom do have a hand, at times, to Protect any 'Imbalancement' to
occur, which is not in her place. Eventhough, there is Free Will and Self
Determination, still...the Last Word, is up to the Spirit Levels, if it be and
so be it.
And as Guido mentioned of his comparison, of the Past, Present and Future
being all recorded together on celluloid film; just like a motion picture you
can go/look into the Past, Present and Future, and in a sense that 'all this'
is in some shape or form Protected within the framework of Creational
Collective Accumulation of data. Thus, certain aspects CAN be altered and
certain aspects...NOT(; again, ONLY...through intervention of the Spirit
Levels).
If you conduct a search with the Search Engine, you may encounter interesting
insight, concerning this subject: Asket, Jitschi and Jitschi, and the lamp,
etc. This has been discussed here, in the past.
Edward. |
Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 954
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2010 - 12:12 pm: |
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Dear Edward,
You write "Thus, certain aspects CAN be altered and certain aspects...NOT(; again, ONLY...through intervention of the Spirit Levels)."
I think your conviction that the "Spirit Levels" (Arahat Athersata, Petale, etc. I assume you mean?) play some timeline-protection role are unwarranted. The Plejaern themselves say they do not understand how it works, it just does, as an immutable law of Creation.
And it's just as well!
:-)
Cheers!
Dyson |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 1185
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2010 - 07:30 pm: |
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Greetings in Peace,
Dr. Michio Kaku has to sustain his views of "popular physics" (including 'string-theory', etc.) to keep his own ideas alive before the public. This is a defensive posture for his part, and works the same as the repetition in advertising. Therefore, we see Science, as such, being espoused among the 'common-man,' wherein the debates take on the aspects of truth.
All this 'public science' is in opposite considerations of True advances in Science, which is a dis-service to those who would seek to know the Truth. Michio is well aware of (some of) the revealed Science truths from the Plejarens, and still continues to preclude this knowledge from his presentations. (Can't get his 'head around it,' as it conflicts with his theories.)
As to the Multi-dimensional aspects of the Universe, you only need to look towards the Seven-Fold structure of Creation. The timeline we are on is one of the Seven flowing through and sustaining this material Universe. The 'past' is behind us on the same line, the 'future' is ahead of us on the same line.
The 'Aliveness' of the present is the Energy of Creation Flowing through us from the 'future to the past' on this Timeline. These concepts of time are the illusions we all share in the Material Universe as we measure changes due to the Flow of Creation Energy.
The Reality is that there is only the Everlasting NOW, which is where our Spirit is in respect to 'time.' Sometimes, we may get a sense of the Everlasting NOW when in deep Meditation, or in otherwise 'altered states' of consciousness. This sense comes to our Psyche from the Spirit-Gemuet.
This also being the justification and capability for the travel "in time" = as in the Everlasting NOW, all past, present and future exist simultaneously.
The 'theory' that viewing (or making small changes in) the past or future can "create alternate timelines" is nonsense. if this were possible, then every thought of every Human would 'spin-off' another timeline. ... Multiply an infinite number by an infinite number, raise this result by another infinite number as an exponent ... this will be the number of alternate timelines that would exist. NOT IN MY BACKYARD, PUHLEEZE.
The Spiral of Creation:
Peace be With You All
Salome
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~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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