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    Mqhassan Member Post Number: 79 Registered: 06-2006 |
Rod, Behzad, Islam meant to desribe Allah as Creation, no doubt. It is the only religion from the Abrahamian root , that began its verses with " Bism Allah al Rahman al Raheem ". this means : In the name of Allah , the Compassionate, the Merciful . Now I would like FIGU members to return to OM and the translated opening of the verses with " In the name of Creation, the Wise , the Rightful". It is Interesting to note that Wise and Rightful in Arabic " Al Hakeem and Al Haq " are actually from the 99 names given to Allah. However recently the Al Azhar in Egypt mentioned that only 77 names corresponded to Creation in its true sense. There are names that I find falsified like the " Revengeful " or in Arabic " Al- Muntaqim " . That is far away from what creation should be. So Islam was the First to Introduce Allah as Creation to return to true OM teachings. A basic Verse mentions what means : Say that Allah is ONE, he was not born nor gave birth to anyone and had no one. The problem is that it mixed up with the Old Testament falsifications, and repeated the story that MOSES spoke to Allah over the hill where he got the commandments. This Allah is definitely not Creation but an IHWH. Salome Mohammed | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1014 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** For my current lack of full understanding of the German Language, I'm now then eagerly awaiting the publication and release of the OM in English.  This translation is expected shortly, soon after the final completion release of The Goblet of Truth as in the book-form. Donations made to FIGU in excess needed for the GoT have been applied to the OM book project. Here then my thoughts: An official translation of the OM should also be done in the Arabic Language. What will it take to accomplish this? If more donations are needed, I will be happy to contribute again to such a worthy project. I am looking for additional feedback from:  Christian Frehner Scott Baxter Badr Meeman Brenda Winkler Stephan To move this Project to translate the OM into Arabic, will most likely require the assistance of someone fluent in both the German and Arabic languages. IMO, this Project should be given a high priority. I am sending copies of this post to the above named individuals for serious consideration. Any and all additional opinions, thoughts and suggestions are most welcome. Set Truth Free on the Earth, for Truth Must Come Before Peace Salome ***** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 235 Registered: 10-2008 |
From the OM , earlier translation had it as : " In the name of Creation, the Wise , the Just". I think it's just as appropriate , there should be no misunderstanding what is meant , and it just sounds better . Notice , I used the word "just" in another context twice , still it should convey the same as "rightful" , or " righteous " , which for me , " righteous " sounds a bit religious , tied to the previous overused association with the word in religious terms . | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1842 Registered: 12-1999 |
Rod, Why did you post this post in this section? You have already sent this e-mail to the individuals mentioned and now you choose to make that same e-mail public. Granted the OM is an extensive book, but within the context of the spiritual teachings, it is another book rich in information as are all of Billy's Books. The OM has already been translated into English, but with errors and needed corrections and updates. In my opinion it will be sometime before it is released in its corrected version. Scott | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1015 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hello Scott, The post, which was written first, then copied into the email, was initially intended as a response to Mohammad, where he wrote, in #79 above ...: [ "Islam meant to desribe Allah as Creation, no doubt. It is the only religion from the Abrahamian root, that began its verses with "Bism Allah al Rahman al Raheem". this means : In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. Now I would like FIGU members to return to OM and the translated opening of the verses with "In the name of Creation, the Wise, the Rightful"." ] -- (Emphasis added /Rod) While writing the response, I decided to also make the proposed 'Project' an item for serious consideration at FIGU, Switzerland. It would seem MOST appropriate to proceed with this Project next in order, as the OM may touch the Heart of Islam directly. The Spirit of Nokodemion which walked the Earth and taught the Truth as Muhammad, is with us now again in the person of Billy (BEAM). There is no better opportunity, no better time then NOW, for every people to have Truth from the Prophet himself. IMO, there will be a need to translate these most important works from Nokodemion / Billy into EVERY MAJOR LANGUAGE on Earth, eventually. I could ask: Why did you choose to post your question, rather than email back to me? I say: The Chicken came before the EGG. Let Truth be Free on the Earth Salome ***** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 01-2009 |
J_rod7 I'm heartly sorry for having offended thee with this sin, for which I am about to commit !!! re: "I say: The Chicken came before the EGG." My response is "Then the Yolk is on you !!!" Sorry.... couldn't help myself !!! Love, Light and Life  First you forget names, then you forget faces. Next you forget to pull your zipper up and finally, you forget to pull it down. George Burns | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1017 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Thanx Bronzedesk, Actually, since it was some Dinosaur which grew Feathers, I think Kentucky Fried Dinosaur makes a fine meal. Now, go say three "Hail the Ducks"   ***** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Norm Member Post Number: 1292 Registered: 02-2000 |
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Smukhuti Member Post Number: 36 Registered: 06-2009 |
From "Message from Pleiades Vol 2" Asket's explanation section 202. From this , our spirit's development is truly the same in my present and your normal time . (There results, the spirit-level of Immanuel is the same in the year 32, like Billy keeps in the year 1956, without his further development of 300 years, he is in advance to Immanuel.) What I can deduce from this statement is that the sprit form belonging to Nokodemjon experienced 0 net spiritual growth between 32 AD and 1956 AD (without his hard learning from the Plejarens). But in another sentence, 208 ...In the time of his rebirth in 20th century Immanuel will show a spirit evolution level, which is only for 128 years in advance of the realtime (the world's time). This time yet increases by hard-working learning while the next decades up to some hundred years, by what his evolution level in spiritual height already past 20 years lifetime will be for 359 years in advance of his time, to end at a level of 400 years when he again leaves the earthly world, to go repeated into the other world's region. From this sentence I gather that at the time of re-incarnation of Nokodemjon's spirits in 1937, the evolution was at 1937+128=2065 level. If this is true then in 1956 his spirit form, without the additional learnings from the Plejarens would have spiritually de-evoluted 109 years (refer 202). With all the learning as a prophet would do, the evolution of Nokodemjon's spirit in 1956 was actually advanced by 109+359=468 years vis-a-vis its natural progress and by 109+400=509 years at the time of death when it comes. Is this possible for a advanced spirit form like Nokodemjon's spirit to de-evolute or am I missing something? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Earthling Member Post Number: 295 Registered: 05-2008 |
interesting stuff smukhuti ... sure, I suppose any human can devolve if we get complacent and hence, fat and happy | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1040 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hi there Smukhuti and Earthling, Peace Be With You I beg to differ, re: "Is this possible for a advanced spirit form like Nokodemjon's spirit to de-evolute..." NO Spirit ever devolves (de-evolute).! Everything the Spirit gains from one lifetime to the next is always stored in the CCB, and the Spirit continues to Evolve with every lesson learned. The only exception to this 'rule' must come from a special dispensation from the WE-Form Spirit levels, as Nokodemion had to do with certain 'reprobates' which way beyond Breaking the Laws of Creation. Smukhuti, I have tried to find the section of Asket's explanation, and cannot find it written in my original books -- Message From the Pleiades. But, then again, the lines immediately before and after those you referenced ARE there. So it looks like Wendelle Stevens simply omitted them from his original publication. I think you are "doing the math wrong," or have mis-interpreted something in the logical sequence. Especially Nokodemion, you can be sure, could not devolve in the lifetimes from Immanuel to Muhammad to Billy (with a few 'ordinary' lifetimes in between). Salome ***** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Rarena Member Post Number: 486 Registered: 10-2005 |
As to Asket's explanation it is Semjase Contact Book 1 pages 300 to about 322 and beyond. As a note, these are not really contact notes, although my late friend Wolfgang Froese wrote, contacts 00-03 - 00-13 for these notes... so maybe they could be called pre-contact notes. As to Smukhuti's exact passage it has to be checked there Contact Book One... Don't remember reading it in Wendelle's book Messages Number 2... | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 06-2009 |
These lines were taken from the "unedited version" of Wendell Stevens Message from Pleiades which is available ony in a pdf format (Pleiades_Msgs_Vol2_xAddendum_pp000-414-p09.pdf) where I am finding lot of added information/notes from Wendell Stevens which is not in the printed book. The corresponding German text should be found in "Plejadisch-plejarische Kontakberichte, Gespräche, Block 1" pages 347 and beyond as the lines 1-139 preceeding the quoted 202-208 appear as "Asket's Explanations - Part 6" in the futureofmankind site. I do not have access or have read the Germen text myself. There is little chance of miscalculation, as these are based on numbers quoted by Wendell Stevens, unless he was wrong. But there is a lack of understanding of these lines from my part which is why I posted them in the forum. Primary question that arises if without the wisdom from the Plajarens, Nokodemjon's spirit form (as Billy) could have possibly regressed in spiritual evolution, what about us?  The whole pdf is 58 meg, and the concerned page extract is 1.1 meg which exceeds the limit of size of attachments used within this forum, but I can send these pages to anybody interested via e-mail to have a look. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Indi Member Post Number: 343 Registered: 06-2006 |
Smukhuti wrote: quote: 202. From this , our spirit's development is truly the same in my present and your normal time . (There results, the spirit-level of Immanuel is the same in the year 32, like Billy keeps in the year 1956, without his further development of 300 years, he is in advance to Immanuel.) Comment: There are important differences between the above quote and in the actual Contact notes, book 1, where this sentence can be found in both German and English. In the contact notes the numberings of the sentences are slightly different also, and it says (my rough translation): 205. Thus our spirit development is truly not the same in my current and in your normal time. 206. You have advanced ahead further than me in real life by around 2000 years, and you are already ahead of your own time in spirit development by 3000 years. The next bit you quoted, is also different to the contact notes. The gist of what is being said by Jmmanuel to Billy, seems to be that Jmmanuel has increased the Nokodemjon spirit level to be 2000 years ahead of his time in the year 32, and that Billy's level of spirit development shows that the spirit form has advanced further, since the year 32, now being 3000 years ahead of his time in 1953. Well, that is my interpretation of the passaages. There is a note embedded from Billy, saying that much of this conversation is lost with words, as it was being conveyed in spirit symbols. As Rod said, the spiritform does not degenerate/de-evolve, but the material consciousness can. Please keep in mind too, that there is a material consciousness/brain quotient, and a spirit consciousness quotient. These are both developing hopefully at a similar rate, but not necessarily. That info can be found in English in Guido's book 'And Still they fly'. Robyn | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 37 Registered: 06-2009 |
Rod, Maybe devolve is a wrong word, but "regression of spiritual consciousness" would be a correct phrase. Many extraterrestrials have come to earth with elevated consciousness and much more spiritually progressed than us and became disillusioned by earthly religions and have become affected by them. I see no reason why this could not happen. What is to be noted that if the translation3 from Message from Pleiades is correct, our earthly ways had a great effect even on Nokodemjon's spirit. Here is a revised summary:
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201. In this time, I live here (in the year 32, that is realtime), am I hurried in advance of my spiritual development already for 2000 years (exactly 1924 years, so Immanuel's evolution level accords to the one of the year 1955), while you are in advance of your realtime for 300 years (while Billy went already in advance by evolution for 300 years of the worldtime- position , and accords to the level of the year 2255). 202. This ways is our spiritual development truely the same in my present and your normal time. 203. Before my time am I only within 2000 years, and you have proceeded before your time already for 300 years. 204. Truely , it has to be accounted in the way , you in your time and I in my time keep a common level of spirit' s development. 205. In your real-time you yet live in forme far future . - 2000 years in the future. 206. Your spirit's development yet is truely for this time- difference further developed than mine. 207. When then you return into your time , your well are for 300 years in advance to your time by spiritual development , own yet the same spiritual level, which I own here in my time. 208. At your time I already passed further 2000 years of evolution's time and lived, by that I have proceeded for these 2000 years within all spiritual concerns.  IMO there are some discrepancies in the unedited pdf. Please feel free to correct me. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1041 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hello Smukhuti, Peace Be With You It is exactly as Robyn (Indi) has pointed out. The original German text makes the values and meanings more clear. From the original German, the Translator(s) which worked for Wendelle had obvious biases from their own christian point-of-view. This is seen in other sections as well, by the omission of certain passages. Thank You Robyn Salome ***** TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE Find What You Seek ~ Rod | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 06-2009 |
Hello Rod, I understand that the translations are not near perfect and no translation can be 100% perfect thats why learning German is important. But numbers and figures are same in all languages, easy to learn and if there are any number quoted which is wrong, then probably there's something wrong with the intention of the translator. Thanks Robyn for pointing out the wrong sentences. I thought Message from the Pleadias was relatively accurate. Well, that prooves it ain't. I would want to know what's FIGU's stand on the 4 volume of Message from the Pleadias - is it Unauthorized, unofficial or authorized, unofficial? Also whats FIGU's criteria for getting a translation a) authorized and b) official because somebody must be peer reviewing the translations for quality where numbering of sentences are wrong and zeroes are omitted from numbers. Cheers | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Marbar Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 12-2009 |
Scott, I hope this section is an appropiate place to post my questions about the life of two of the seven prophets. It took me alot of courage to ask these questions. For many years, it has been said that the prophet Mohammend married his first-cousin. To add more, it also has been said that Jmmanuel's adopted Earth father and his real mother are first-cousins. Is it true that Mohammend married his first cousin? Is it true that Jmmanuel's adopted Earth father and real mother are first-cousins? | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Edward Member Post Number: 1603 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Marbar.... Have read here-and-there in the past what you mentioned of Mohammed, but can not confirm it FIGU-wise. Like-wise, with your second, answer. Never know, with Biblical distortions? Maria, was/is of Lyrian/Vegan descent, her family lineage, as far as I can remember; thus, am not sure of Joseph; probably possible, but as far them both being close cousins, is something I can not confirm. But, both their lineage lived in accordance to the Laws of Nature: Creational Laws....for their times; not (Cult) Religious, involved, as far as I know. Not sure if this can contribute to your question, though? Best to subject your questions to Billy, if you want more detailed, answers?? Edward. | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 214 Registered: 06-2009 |
Does anybody know which characters in Uruk-Gart and Upanishad is being referred to in these lines? OM Kanon 31, Satz 27 Und es ist der Prophet der Wahrheit bei euch ein letztes Mal, Erdenmenschen, und also ist es derselbe Prophet, der bei euch war ehedem, so ihr ihn also erwähnet finden könnet schon in den Schriften der Urahnen eurer Alten, so in den Epen von Uruk Gart und in den Upanischadis, also aber auch in den Zeichen des Tut anch Amon, in der alten Thora und im Qur-an und im Evangelium und in anderen Schriften. And the prophet of truth is with you one last time, Earth human beings, and therefore it is the same prophet who was with you before, therefore you can find him mentioned already in the writings of the fore-forebears of your elders, so in the Epic of Uruk Gart and in the Upanishads, however, also in the inscriptions of Tutankhamun, in the old Tora and in the Qur’an, and in the Gospels and in other writings. Salome. Suv | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 97 Registered: 02-2009 |
Sanskrit text and translation of Verse 5 of PROPHET MUHAMMAD IN HINDU SCRIPTURES http://www.cyberistan.org/islamic/prophhs.html Bhavishya Puran, Prati Sarg Parv III: 3, 3 "A malechha (belonging to a foreign country and speaking foreign language) spiritual teacher will appear with his companions. His name will be Mahamad..." If we reject our own reality, the SELF will war against us - Bhagawad Gita | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Smukhuti Member Post Number: 218 Registered: 06-2009 |
Henok or Enoch belonged to a time that is described as 4000,000 years ago from 2006 (See:http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Prophets) But in http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Event_Timeline, Henok is described to be born when ET Asasel created Ledon in 387,000 B.C i.e. approximately 389,000 years ago. This discrepancy of 11,000 years need to be corrected if anyone has the correct data. IMO, the Event timeline looks more logical because the Book of Enoch (at least some of it might be correct as described in http://reluctant-messenger.com/1enoch01-60.htm) describes Enoch playing a huge role in ousting Asasel, Semjasa and Sartael and their group from heaven (banishing them from their place among ET's to the earth). Also, if I remember correctly, the event timeline was prepared by Billy and reviewed by the Plejaren. Salome. Suv | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
Thomas Member Post Number: 811 Registered: 03-2004 |
It has been explained that there were 2 people of the same spirit lineage w= ith the same or similar names.=A0 Thus the confusion. patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com |
