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    Darren Member Post Number: 167 Registered: 07-2009 |
"Billy contends (and I agree 100%) that only when a festering problem can be brought to an intense stage can it be adequately recognized by most people (as a real problem) and then appropriately solved." Its acute stage. (i know coz i just read it other day but forgot where  ) | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1190 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hi Bronzdesk, I've been meaning to comment on your last post here> In the many things which you brought to light, I think this is most profound: ... [ ... try to explain what spirit is to a man of clay!] If the clay is open to reason, to thought, to sense, then that clay may yet entertain Truth Peace *** ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1191 Registered: 10-2007 |
*** Hello Michelle and MarBar, To recognize our mistakes, to take responsibility for making them, then correcting them, is the essence of Evolution. Perhaps this is why the Evolution takes 60-B to 80-Billion Years(?) *** ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Msmichelle New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2010 |
I think some of us are not recognizing our mistakes, that's why we continue to make the same mistakes over and over again. Some people may also think that if it's going to take 60-80 billions years, why bother?? | ||
J_rod7 Member Post Number: 1196 Registered: 10-2007 |
***** Hi Michelle, [... if it's going to take 60-80 billions years, why bother?? An interesting question, which deserves an honest answer. First consider these words from Billy: ... [[The OMEDAM] is an independently existing life form with its own individuality and personality in an impulse, instinct or conscious consciousness-form that is specifically directed towards all possibilities of evolution, and with its own physical, psychical , conscious, part-conscious, unconscious, impulse- or instinct-related development-forms (the Human Being is the OMEDAM, which means to carry the Laws of Creation forward into the Material Universe ... this teaching of independent life forms does also include the naturally developing Flora and Fauna, which are not OMEDAM but are "the instinctive life", and evolve in their own realm of existence/Rod).] [The Creation Universal Consciousness is a natural production of its own evolution just like the human being and all other living creatures as well as the entire universe, and everything existing in it corresponds to the causal forms of evolution given by the creational-natural laws.] These quotes are from: "What Is the Creation? Creation, what it is" ...by Billy, found in the essay at the link here: ... http://www.theyfly.com/spiritual/creation/creation.htm In the allotted time-frame for the Evolution of all species, there is no guarantee that every Spirit or life-form will attain to to its fullness of Intelligence, Knowledge, Wisdom, Love, Light, or Powers in complete balance of the Polarities which it encounters. Those Spirit-forms, whether they be Human or otherwise, which through their own lack of Self-Responsibility, fail to Evolve in adequate measure (the measure of the Spiritual Vibration Frequencies) to pass forward into the higher levels of the WE-Form, will have effectively surrendered the right for union with Creation. Such ones will be dissolved into the primary essential Energy, along with the accumulated Consciousness-Block, and the primary energy of the once-was Spirit will be reabsorbed into the Creation without any further contribution thereto. NOT a happy ending -- to cease to exist when the goals and guide-posts were so clearly given along the way. No one will mourn the loss of one so foolish. This, then is the be-all and end-all for every Spirit-form = to accept the Self-Responsibility for ones mistakes, for ones own learning, for ones own growth and progress through the given lifetimes. And it is true, that the greater knowledge you gain in this lifetime, the more clarity you achieve, the closer to a true Neutral-Positive Balance achieved in respect to the polarities, will make it more easy for you in the next, and the next... In Peace for your thoughts = Salome ***** ~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 969 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi all, (sorry for the delay. I've been translating) (Any answers to my (now) archived questions on this thread would be appreciated from whoever they concern.) Dear Thomas, thanks for your respectful suggestions, but I know that the sort of work I'm doing now is infinitely more efficient and productive than would be trying to organise an Australian study group here in Tasmania, which (as far as I know!) boasts one FIGU member (Vivienne) in the entire population of about a half a million, (in spite of the fact that - per capita - that's about a hundred times more than the 6 per 300,000,000 in FSUSA). :-) And I had to laugh out loud when I read, "If instead of listening to me and everyone else, you look to BEAM as an example, you will notice that he nevers attacks anyone and never rebuts." This is just so silly, in light of the recent "Hundesfotte" debate. Billy has often used the "dog's c..t" remark preceded with the word, "greasy". I also mentioned that Ptaah called G.W. Bush "Scum-president-Bush" in vol 10. These guys tear STRIPS off of people. FSUSA is another glaring example. I've copped it too. So has Christian and many others. That's their job, and I'm very grateful that they do it so well. Besserwisser, Stänkerer, Kritiker und Antagonisten sind sich den wirklichen Tatsachen der Beweisführung nicht bewusst, denn sie negieren aus eigenen intelligenzmässigen Unzulänglichkeiten und infolge ihrer Unbedarftheit prinzipiell alles, was zu einer Beweisführung notwendig ist, ja sie sind sich nicht einmal der Voraussetzungen bewusst, die zu einer Beweisführung gehören. Know-it-alls, mischief-makers, critics and antagonists are not conscious of the actual facts of the argument, because, due to their own intellectual inadequacies, and as a consequence of their clueless nature, they negate principally everything which is necessary for a demonstration, indeed they are not at all conscious of the prerequisites which belong to a presentation of evidence. Kleine arme Irre, die ihre Dummheit, ihre Unkenntnis, ihre Weisheitslosigkeit und fehlende Ehrlichkeit mit unlauteren Angriffen und Verleumdungen wettmachen wollen, um damit ihr angeschlagenes oder schwaches Image und ihre unterentwickelte Intelligenz aufzubügeln. Poor little idiots want to offset their stupidity, their lack of recognition, lack of wisdom and deficient honesty with dishonest attacks and defamations in order to thereby iron out their damaged or weak image and their underdeveloped intelligence. Truly, an effective presentation of evidence through reason and understanding is an enormous challenge that arouses all know-it-alls, antagonists, critics and eternal mischief-makers to opposition, who are the humans who already want to strike back before they have begun with their vicious, antagonistic, defamatory, mischievous, mendacious and critical attacks." - Billy, March 2007 http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.sdw142.DerfalscheWeg.htm (GO BILLY!) The English-speaking world has a religiously slanted view of Billy and Co., due to watered- down pap like "Star Wisdom", the Stevens' books, and, consequently, even our non-German-reading friend Michael Horn's selections. Almost everyone here is not fully aware of how harsh Billy's attacks are to those who have earned them. We saw recently what FIGU did to "Hundesfotte" - they didn't translate it, and many people here argued that it should also be sanitised. It's human nature to try to prettify ugly truths instead of facing them honestly and fixing them. And here's one of many many rebuttals: http://us.figu.org/portal/BillyMeier/HisWork/ClarificationofaDefamatoryClaim/tabid/58/Default.aspx Dear Sonik_01, "Only you would know the obscure, illogical reason." If my reasons are unknown to you, how can you say they are illogical? I've made my logical reasons known and supported them with quotes, etc., from Billy's teachings, which, I think, I am more familiar than you are. I mean no offence to you by that remark, but please remember that 95% of it remains untranslated, but I'm working on it. (BTW, best not to guess answers to questions on the forum if you don't know. If you learn from MY mistakes, you won't have to make them yourself.) Dear Michelle, Welcome! You wrote, "I agree if it's in the Contact Notes it should be published but without commentary on our parts." As mentioned above, I'm hard at work translating to try to bring this German language material into the English-speaking word as quickly and accurately as possible, although those two qualities often work against each other. Billy says that, when communicating these facts to interested parties, it is always preferable to put them into our own words. Of course I also like to provide direct quotes wherever that seems prudent, as confirmation of the correctness of the position, etc., I've taken or the point I'm trying to make. Since we cannot actually make substantial translations on the FIGU discussion forum anymore, commenting upon them or discussing them, or arguing about them, is why we are here. And, since it takes so long to get where we are going, I take the position that there is no time to waste! :-) The knowledge and love/wisdom you achieve in this go-around, only limited by your death, is quite good in the here and now too. I know. "Tatsächlich ist das Gros der Menschen in ein Stadium verfallen, in dem sich das kommunizierende Sichauseinandersetzen mit dem Nächsten sowie das Diskutieren ebenso kaum oder nicht mehr finden lässt wie auch nicht das Sichauseinandersetzen mit den globalen Geschehen, denn diese Notwendigkeiten sind bereits vielen verlorengegangen." (Actually, the majority of humans has fallen into a state in which disputes participated in with neighbors, as well as discussions, are just as rarely or no longer to be found, as neither are quarrels with global events, because these necessities have already been mostly lost.) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.56.ratgeber.htm argument (plural arguments) 1. A fact or statement used to support a proposition; a reason: 2. [NOT THIS DEFINITION] -> A verbal dispute; a quarrel. 3. A process of reasoning. 4. (philosophy, logic) A series of statements organized so that the final statement is a conclusion which is intended to follow logically from the preceding statements, which function as premises. (Wiki) Now please read: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.sdw142.DerfalscheWeg.htm The truth must be fought for. It will not prevail all by itself. "I think some of us are not recognizing our mistakes" You'll get no argument from me about that! In fact, not only do we (in general) not recognise our own mistakes, we often don't recognise the mistakes of others either. Dear Mark, Yo no sabía que hablaba español. Por supuesto que me refería al alemán. Perdón! (BTW, I think you meant to say that those words are idiolects, not slang or colloquialisms. There's a lot of jargon associated with linguistics! Dear Darren, "Acute" or "intense" - we're both barking up the wrong tree unless someone can find the original German, for which these two words are merely English hyponyms. (inadequate synonyms) Until then the matter will never be settled, but the the two words are pretty close in this context. If you find the same passage translated by two different people, it's interesting to see how different they will be from each other. Cheers! Dyson | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 131 Registered: 03-2006 |
By the way, I said: "You're just demoralizing these people, and if you know of their difficulties, why don't you help out rather than hurt them through encouragement or offering of real solutions, instead of a public shaming campaign in order to lambaste them into shame in order to accomplish what-----?? Only you would know the obscure, illogical reason. Just my opinion." "In order to accomplish what----??" is a rhetorical question. It means you accomplish nothing by your actions (public shaming of FSUSA), therefore, only logically, the reasons behind this (your thinking) would HAVE TO be illogical, because you accomplish nothing by it. Just to be clear. By the way, keep up the good work with the translations. Sonik_01 | ||
Darren Member Post Number: 170 Registered: 07-2009 |
"Dear Thomas, thanks for your respectful suggestions, but I know that the sort of work I'm doing now is infinitely more efficient and productive than would be trying to organise an Australian study group here in Tasmania, which (as far as I know!) boasts one FIGU member (Vivienne) in the entire population of about a half a million, (in spite of the fact that - per capita - that's about a hundred times more than the 6 per 300,000,000 in FSUSA). :-) " Not only FIGU membership but what about also comparing where most forum posters here come from and it still don't look good for America. Australia is by FAR the best represented country posting at this forum according to population percentage ratio. (Oz 22 million/USA 300) But there are more aussies posting here on the whole then from anywhere else anyway! Australia really put America to shame in this respect. | ||
Bianca Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 03-2009 |
I veer a bit but, this is just a word regarding the formation of a Figu group here in OZ: While at SSSC last year and the year before, Christian asked me " Why dont you organize and form a Figu group in Australia?" I said that I will try, and I did twice but NO one here is Truly willing to come together and many have their reasons. So the case is such that when people will finally begin to look beyond the IFO phenomenon and all the political intrigues and malice that distorts and skew and twist our consciousness and intelligence, then the learning of the Spirit lessons and not only in German, will then become a priority for personal growth and evolution by which only then people will come to the fore. German is a huge obstacle but for my own evolution and progress I am inquiring with various people at Figu and here and am learning and evolving in matters of Spiritual evolution regardless. All it takes is the Will to move beyond this created Non-reality. Salome, B. | ||
Gaiaguysnet Member Post Number: 971 Registered: 03-2004 |
Dear Sonik_01, Thank you for the kind words about our translations. I'll do my best to keep getting them out to you. You also wrote, ""In order to accomplish what----??" is a rhetorical question. It means you accomplish nothing by your actions (public shaming of FSUSA), therefore, only logically, the reasons behind this (your thinking) would HAVE TO be illogical, because you accomplish nothing by it. Just to be clear." Billy says, "Von nichts, kommt nichts." (From nothing, comes nothing.) He also says, "He who is silent is not only cowardly and not neutral, rather also absolutely irresponsible." http://www.theyfly.com/gaia/meier.sb26.israellebanon.htm Don't be so sure that you are correct when you assert, without qualifications, "you accomplish nothing by your actions". That remains to be seen. I can at least still recognise simple logic when I see it in front of me, and I'm not going to sit quietly, knowing what I know, even if everybody else is - ESPECIALLY if everybody else is. Salome, Dyson | ||
Techieatwork Member Post Number: 64 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi Bianca et all. How coincidental. Just a few days ago, I wrote a message to info [at] figu... asking precisely that. If one being here in Australia, would have to adhere to USA's FIGU, which I find illogical, with so many of us here interested in this. You can count me in. Trying to keep it brief and concise. Salome Carlos | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 774 Registered: 07-2004 |
Dear Dyson, My natural instincts have always told me to pay attention to what you do here at this golden trough. This doesn't say, 'All that he doe's is right and sure'. You, for the most part will see your errors and admit to them. Farther back in your past your steadfastness on a very precarious situation, which you stood firmly and proclaimed your thoughts on such, did come back and bite you severely. The effect was clear back then and I wrote(in your absence) that upon your return you would only be stronger in your thinking and self awareness. Self awareness? What am I talking about? Ok, I don't know you personally, but you have allowed us into your mind at this forum, somewhat that is. Your self awareness, in my opinion, has greatly increased and you may be able to sense the future a little bit better than you did before. Why would I say all this stuff? I'm not sure, but I know(IMO) you are making better decisions than you were before. I could of said all this a different way by including a previous member in the conversation and comparing your values to the forum, but that's a can of worms thats gone its way thankfully. Basically, I don't think anyones going to distract you from shoveling all these gems towards us dumb English speakers. So in closing, I think(fairly sure) we all have your back from here on out and as a token gift I offer you this box of Certified Automatically Forgiven Future Mistakes(CAFFM, bless you!) that may come in handy as a way to quickly get yourself back to those translation treasures you honor us with. I tried to not sugar coat anything here, but your value is hard to put in words and I think your approach to all the recent controversy has been 100% Dyson. How could it be otherwise. Cheers my good friend! a friend in america Shawn | ||
Enlightenedatlast Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 06-2009 |
Greetings Everyone! I have not been on for a while but I've been keeping up on the Future of Mankind website. Today I went there and I cannot connect to the site for some strange reason. I can connect to everything else though. Does anyone know if the site was taken down? I have been busy with school and taking care of my children for the last month. For those of you who are familiar with me (J_rod, Redbeard) I wanted to let you know that my husband and I are getting a divorce. It has to be done because he became physically violent with me in front of the children. I cannot let this happen again and I follow the words of Meier in the Goblet of Truth: Divorce is permitted if there is abuse between the husband and wife. Not to mention that my husband consistently bad mouthed Meier and often tried to hinder my own evolutionary growth, putting me down in many ways and he became very controlling and intimidating. I find that this was meant to happen in order for me to grow in my own spiritual/evolutionary growth. Since January 23rd, my husband has been out of my house (restraining order) and both my children and myself are much happier and the home is calm. I realized that my husbands negative attitude and behavior was causing a lot of stress and anxiety in the home and now, there is none. My children are amazingly doing well. My 12 year old son, the one that lead me to Billy, has been seeing a cognitive therapist to work out his stresses and emotions. (My son blamed himself for my husbands actions, which I constantly reassure him that it is not his fault at all!) My three year old daughter used to draw on our walls and make messes with food consistently, now she is no longer doing those things. I have not been able to do the peace meditation this month because of all that is going on. I miss talking to everyone and from here on out, I will keep active in FIGU forum and Billy's information that comes out. Luckily, I go to Michael Horn's website often as well to see if anything is new. I have been able to talk to three students at my college about Meier and gave them the websites to go to. As I spoke with them, they became more interested in learning about Billy. I feel good about leading them to Billy in a round about way without deluding them. I just simply state, "I'm not sure how to answer, but you can find the answer on the FIGU.org website or Futureofmankind.co.uk website or even TheyFly.com" I don't want to tell them something that I am not sure of or tell them the wrong way. Please don't feel that I am spilling my guts out here for attention, that is not what I want, I actually do not like being the center of it all. I just wanted to update the few humans here that do know me, about what is going on. What is new with Billy? Are there any new postings from him? I have the Goblet of Truth here at home, the downloaded version up to Chapter 9, has there been more as of yet? You are ALL great and I love you all even though I do not know you personally, but it feels like family to me! Have a great day! In peace and Love Always, Amanda | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 813 Registered: 03-2004 |
What does BEAM say about NOT proselytizing? patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 814 Registered: 03-2004 |
Sometimes the wiser are the more reserved and thus do not post, not that th= is applies to any particular nation. patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com | ||
Tripcaptain New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 02-2010 |
can anybody point me in the right direction on viewing the 11 photos billy took of the future? is this the most active forum/chat site there is? i want to get involved. peace, tony | ||
Justsayno Member Post Number: 145 Registered: 10-2009 |
Glad to see that you're doing well, Amanda. I must say I was getting a little worried about you. I'm happy things are working out for you. Sheila | ||
Sonik_01 Member Post Number: 132 Registered: 03-2006 |
Hi Dyson, I'll just let sleeping dogs lie with the implication of your statements. We'll just agree to disagreee. | ||
Johnnybalmain Member Post Number: 96 Registered: 11-2007 |
Hi Bianca, I'm sorry I must have missed it. When was there an attempt to start a figu group in Australia. Count me in. I'm on the far north coast of nsw. Peace John | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1943 Registered: 12-1999 |
At present there are 3 messages in the queue regarding FIGU Society USA. Each one of these messages contains e-mails from persons involved in discussing the issues. As I stated earlier, there is a topic area specifically set up in the Passive Section regarding FIGU Society USA. A Passive Membership is required to be a member of the FIGU Society USA, and to view that section of the forum as well. Unless I get the go ahead to post these messages, they will sit where they are. Scott | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 392 Registered: 06-2008 |
Hi Johnybalmain, Johnybalmain ... Far north coast NSW MarksmanR ... Sunshine Coast north of Brisbane. Ramirez ..... Sydney suburbs Bianca .... Melbourne suburbs Dyson & Vivienne ... Tasmania in some outback town. Unless i missed someone that's the known aussie contingent. I guess we could start a very informal group linked by e-mail though given the huge distances a face to face meeting is unlikely for the moment. Setting up a FIGU Australia. This would take some doing and is more difficult than it appears on the surface. My suggestion some time back was to find an honest solicitor in Australia to do the paperwork using FIGU Switzerland statutes as a model and any of those who might join an informal group could declare an organization (FIGU AUSTRALIA) as the beneficiary of their estate (home etc) after death if they have no-one else to leave it to. In this way in future some funds might accumulate and a suitable outback property ....small farm (close to a country town set on high land 50+ acres on flood & fire free area) could be purchased where the actual future functional group might begin. Eventually some members might move to occupy this property full time and develop it into a self sustaining project with accomodation available for visiting members. It's how Billy started. That's the easy part. Getting together a coherent group able to peacefully co-exist and occupy the same property is the real challenge ..... as Billy would attest and such a group wouldn't have any celestial assistance in the case of down under. Cheers. | ||
Scott Moderator Post Number: 1944 Registered: 12-1999 |
Ramirez, At least in the past, it has been required by FIGU that official group members, must also become Passive Members as well. Good Luck Scott | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 07-2009 |
Since I'm feeling miscellaneous at the moment I'll post these here. My latest short article: http://theyfly.com/Are_We_Really_Too_Stupid.html And an email I just sent out to a few people: Notice that insurance rates are going up drastically across the country, from 20% to 39%, and a reason quoted today from the insurance industry was that "because many people have lost their jobs and aren't paying their premiums, and medical and pharmaceutical costs are rising, the insurance costs have to rise too." And just why have so many people lost their jobs, why are medical and pharmaceutical costs rising? Oh, I know, it's because...Obama became the president a little more than a year ago, right? I mean he's the cause of all of the troubles, isn't he? It had nothing to do with the vicious, anti-humane, war-mongering, strictly pro-business, corporate welfare, bank favoring, Bush administration's policies...would it? Or with the policies of any of the previous administrations, huh? Nope. Now, with any chance of reasonable health care virtually demolished, and with the infantile, uncooperative, easily manipulated population just salivating at the opportunity to put morons and moral midgets like Sara ("Hey, why don't we bomb Iran after lunch?") Palin in office, the opportunity to really plunge the country into strife, dissolution, etc. under unlimited corporate and religiously deluded political control is gathering steam. When human beings are too stupid and selfish to understand that finding a way of providing health care that would be fair, workable and beneficial to all requires cooperation and putting the interests of all above those of lobbyists, insurance companies, politicians and other criminals, then those people will surely get exactly what they want...and damn well deserve. Unfortunately, it's the rest of the people that will suffer for it too. And isn't it just a bit funny that a country that makes such a huge business of perfecting never ending war and destruction of mostly innocent people...hasn't figured out how to provide how to provide life-giving care for its citizenry? But I guess that's "Obama's fault" too. Oh yeah, I didn't vote for him and I don't like a number of his policies. I just like even less stupid, greedy, easily distracted people who primarily seek to endlessly entertain themselves and then blame others for every problem that arises, largely because they abdicated their responsibility, over and over again, by voting for the worst criminals and allowed them to destroy this country. And for those who abdicate personal responsibility for their lives and are praying for their imaginary god in heaven and savior to come and fix everything...oh well, do I really need to say more? MH |
