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Johnnybalmain
Member
Post Number: 98
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 04:40 pm: | 
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Ramirez,
There is a lot more Aussies than that.
Peace John |
Techieatwork
Member
Post Number: 65
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 04:45 pm: |
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I am in Sydney. Keen to participate more actively and visit regularly for any help works required.
In "Ashram" terminology they call the voluntary works "seba" (smile)
Please advise what is required to become a "passive" member.
It should be called the neutral-positive membership (joke)
Trying to keep it brief and concise.
Salome
Carlos
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Darren
Member
Post Number: 171
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 04:52 pm: |
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Ramirez,
You forgot me (and many others), because I'm from Australia too!
If you read the archives from the start(like i did), you will discover that most people here are from Oz. |
Darren
Member
Post Number: 172
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 05:07 pm: |
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......people that have been here and gone;you missed. But you missed many aussie's that are still presently posting here. |
Matt
Member
Post Number: 129
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 12:41 am: |
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Ramirez, Johnny is right. There are a lot more Aussies here than that. I'm one, and I can think of few others too but I'll let them decide weather or not to make themselves known. |
Victor
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 01:48 am: |
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allo, robyn moderator from australia too. |
Techieatwork
Member
Post Number: 66
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 04:33 am: |
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Hi Michael: I liked your entire article.
these words: "...Do something radical with your free time..."
remind me of something I call: brain-time.
Our Spirit form animates a short (limited, constrained) length of brain-time on this current body
So let's make the best of it.
Trying to keep it brief and concise.
Salome
Carlos
(Colombian by birth, Kiwi by adoption, in Australia by choice, World Citizen by right)
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 385
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 03:33 pm: |
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"No worries" , Dyson , to respond in your own adopted Aussie dialect ( a lively and humorous one , a favorite of mine ). Thanks for your concern and dedication . The FSUSA is also due for praise , since they've been mentioned . As in all things ,there are gaps in progress , and subsequently floods of progress .Marc Juliano said it all in just a couple of posts .
I thought I would mention here that there are MORE than 6 FIGU members in the USA , but only 6 in the FIGU Society USA , which as a land group , would indicate that the members are about procuring land for the purpose of establishing a Center here in the USA . Also , membership requires attendance to the meetings , bringng all members from all points , to one . There are probably 30 to 50 Passive members in the USA , I'm not sure . It keeps growing . Still a small number , per capita . But what is this , the FIGU Olympics ? Just kidding !
I can't remember who said it , but I agree ; better to remain silent than to issue aggressive mistakes . I won't compete with anyone for heroism here ; I'm a student , and with that ,to the topic about speaking up and educating your fellow humans ; anytime you start to back up your argument (statements) with sources , better think ahead (and cleverly) when bringing the Plejar or a Prophet into the support sources .At that point, the conversation, whether it was about overpulation or religion/politik takes a turn into the cosmic question of whether we are alone in the universe, or just alone in being interested in the idea .
I actually do bring this subject up pretty often , and well received most of the time . Younger people perk up and listen, as if they are already at the stage of understanding that is ready for real information to come along and complete their inner picture . Some that I know got to be 40 or 50 years old and never really learned anything about the dominant religion of our region . Lordy ,lordy ! How did that happen ? I'm in Texas , so you would think it would be different . Depends on the company I keep , I suppose . Even some of the the religious ones now know to listen , specially when I tell them that Jmmanuel's father was Gabriel , it strikes a chord in their minds .
Mit Frieden , meine freund , Mark |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 386
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 09:18 am: |
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Hello Amanda ;
I know that you wouldn't have shared that with us unless you felt us to be a collection of benevolent souls . Thanks for your trust . Best wishes for you and your family .
Carlos , I think we might be cousins . Have you ever been to Houston , Texas ?
Kind Regards , Mark |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 1199
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 01:23 pm: |
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*****
Hello Amanda,
After I read your post, I felt a great sense of relief for you. I did write a longer post to you at the time, but it seems that it got "lost in the queue" somewhere. Anyway, You and your beautiful children should be able to find greater peace and happiness now. I am glad to see you back on the Forum.
Love and Blessings for you.
Salome
*****
~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 977
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 05:45 pm: |
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Dear Mark,
Thanks for the kind words.
This bit threw me. Can you elaborate a little for us please? Thanks! :-)
" anytime you start to back up your argument (statements) with sources , better think ahead (and cleverly) when bringing the Plejar or a Prophet into the support sources .At that point, the conversation, whether it was about overpulation or religion/politik takes a turn into the cosmic question of whether we are alone in the universe, or just alone in being interested in the idea ." |
Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 983
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 08:44 pm: |
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Dear Shawn,
re: Your post @ http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/863/10891.html#POST47450
You DO like to make me blush! But thank you very much, as ever, for your kind and thoughtful words. And I think, in the important way, you DO know me personally. And thank you also for the most appropriate box of CAFFM (Certified Automatically Forgiven Future Mistakes) Where can I obtain bulk quantities?
You wrote, "Farther back in your past your steadfastness on a very precarious situation, which you stood firmly and proclaimed your thoughts on such, did come back and bite you severely."
(Much more than just my thoughts, or the thoughts of others!) But, yes, having Vivienne and me put in among Australian maximum-security prisons' open criminal populations, and losing our rural homestead of 31 years, naturally do not count among the nicest experiences we've ever had, but the relatively little (not severe) bites to our backsides quickly resulted in rich fruit (forgive my horrible mixed metaphor!) simply because we always tried our best to serve the elemental power of truth, and Creation has strange and wonderful ways of rewarding that very, very, very unpopular activity.
One of the many rewards is, indeed, increased self-awareness and the better decision-making that accompanies it, in my experience. Another is a much truer appreciation of simple freedom. Really, until you've had it taken from you - especially dishonestly - you don't know how precious it is. But if you truly identify with your spirit as opposed to your body, then true freedom can never be taken from you because only your body can be chained, not your spirit. Knowing that simple truth helped us a lot.
But please know, my good American friend, that I've never shoveled gems at the "dumb" English speakers, nor do I cast Billy's pearls before swine. I shovel his gems and cast his pearls at the "intelligent" (defined by Billy as the strength of consciousness) English speakers here, who are clearly the great majority. The small minority of deliberate troublemakers and (other) fools are just part of life, and as long as we don't sit back and let them reach a critical mass (no pun intended) again, then the gems and pearls from the German texts will keep coming, as long as Vivienne and I are allowed to do it. And she's much harder-working and ambitious than me. She's got whole BOOKS in mind to "officially" translate! Stick around. :-)
But fools are useful too.
"Listen to others, to the bright and intellectual individuals, and also to the obtuse, the foolish and those who lack learning, for they, too, have opinions and statements to offer. But distance yourself from aggressive, boisterous and obstinate individuals so as not to become embroiled in their pointless disputes, for such people insult one's consciousness, humaneness and refinement; and yet, at the same time, forget not that they too are beings of Creation, whom you, as a fellow human being, must show appropriate respect, even though you may find their thoughts, feelings, deeds and actions unacceptable. Should you draw comparisons between yourself and others, you will inevitably realize that others are either stronger or weaker than you in certain matters; this, however, is no justification for you to feel superior or inferior to them." Billy - http://www.theyfly.com/spiritual/desiderata/desiderata.htm
But yes, Shawn, at 60, I feel myself growing faster now than ever before and, as I grow, I take on ever greater challenges, which is how it's supposed to work. Billy reckons that - in GENERAL - if you don't "get it" by the age of 40, chances are slim that you EVER will. That has also been my personal experience of people. The stupid expectation of reprobates' reformation is a despicable religious delusion, IMO, deliberately and cunningly inculcated to engender our grossly inappropriate tolerance of naked evil.
I once wondered what the final truism would be that Billy would have written in the OM, because he's smart enough to have finished the book with something uniquely important for us all to consider. Here it is, on page 455: K77:18 "Und wer böse ist, bleibt auch im Alter böse; wie eine saure Gurke niemals süss wird." ("And he who is evil will also remain evil even in old age, in the same way that a sour pickle will never become sweet.")
Cheers!
Dyson |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 389
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 02:36 pm: |
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Hi Dyson ;
I'm not sure which part of this isn't clear , so I'll guess .
" anytime you start to back up your argument (statements) with sources ....."
....(to the general public , religious people , friends who don't think as you do)......
", better think ahead (and cleverly) when bringing the Plejar or a Prophet into the support sources ."
(...unless you want to argue whether or not we are alone in the universe , or whether a prophet is someone who is connected in some way with aliens from another world , in any case proving , convincing , etc, be smart about it , otherwise known as clever ..........)
"At that point, the conversation , whether it was about overpulation or religion/politik takes a turn into the cosmic question of whether we are alone in the universe , or just alone in being interested in the idea ."
( .....in other words , the initial conversation was about population or politics , etc. and now your source of information is Billy and the Plejar , so now , your conversation is about E.T's and why they should know better . "Being alone in the idea" , as I said , would mean that if they don't think like you , then you are alone in the idea of not being alone in the universe.....)
I'm sure I could have worded it better , but I couldnt word it wordier .
Cheers , Mark |
Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 394
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:12 pm: |
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Greetings to the Ausies.
Johnybalmain ... Far north coast NSW
MarksmanR ... Sunshine Coast north of Brisbane.
Ramirez ..... Sydney suburbs
Bianca .... Melbourne suburbs
Dyson & Vivienne ... Tasmania in some outback town.
OK then can be added Darren, Techieatwork, Indi, however 9 is not many.
From what Scott mentioned there is another hurdle ..... being passive members which imposes substantial limitations on Australians because of our geographical location.
Not exactly sure of the rules but isn't it a requirement of passive members to visit SSSC at least once then regularly visit for 3 days of voluntary work every 2-3 years. From down under this would be a huge financial burden .... airfares, accomodation, local travel, food plus a week minimum away from home.
Personally I think if an actual physical location could be obtained & developed in Australia this would provide an excellent base of operations from which to expand a local network.
Also what seems badly needed are more English language translations of the contact reports plus various books - pamphlets from Billy.
As a major language English even with it's limitations is likely to remain a long time so we need to accomodate that reality into the equation.
Techieatwork ...... ET Ashram 
Even in very preliminary non binding fashion we can explore ideas & options. Some day it's likely to become a reality of sorts if enough interest can be generated & maintained.
Ramirez,
People who become Passive Members have the option of paying 210 Swiss Francs for their 3 days worth of work. It is not required when a person becomes a Passive Member to visit the Semjase Silver Star Center.
Scott
(Message edited by scott on February 24, 2010)
Cheers.
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Techieatwork
Member
Post Number: 69
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 05:18 pm: |
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Hi Markcampbell:
"Carlos , I think we might be cousins . Have you ever been to Houston , Texas ?"
(smiles) no, I haven't been to north-america
Were you born in south-america? Where did you learn the spanish language?
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To all Australian based reading this:
I wish I could meet in person with you guys and gals living here in Australia, reading this forum.
Imagine how nice it would be to be in the same place with so many like-minded people? ecstatic!
In comparison to the usual feeling of: "am-I-the-only-one-here-who-is-aware-of-all-the-bunch-of-lies-in-front-of-us?"
LOL..!!
I was last night at my son's school "meet the teacher's" assembly.. and man.. what a load of lies the religions have dumped on everyone, and they just go-along like ignorant sheeple..
I was in between wanting to fall asleep and wanting to get sick (vomit)..
In my current marriage bond, my wife is unknowingly religious person (how odd), believes anything she's told (by her mum, LOL), and by those ill-informed guys who are deceived themselves into the religious deceit..
I have chosen to go-along, for another while, not placing any time constrains on the relationship, just ticking along in my role as father, but definitely taking the opportunity to educate the children and keeping them as healthy as possible.
I think that is the right lesson to learn at my age (38).
By the way, can anyone offer some advise health wise? (no liabilities to be held on anyone, hehe)
My 6y/o daughter has a cough for a while now, and I have tried (non-consistently) with a few options:
- lemonades (no sugar) - attempting to shift her system into alkaline PH
- avoiding having too many sugars, chocolates at home, again, to reduce the amount of acidic foods available at home
- olive-leaf oil (I've read it's good to help the system fight internal formation of bacteria and fungi)
- colloidal silver (which I mostly use just on myself and for external bruises on them)
- breathalyzer, when the cough is too strong..
- crushed garlic & olive-oil & salt, half tea-spoon, (I've read it's good to help the system fight internal formation of bacteria and fungi)
I haven't stick to any of those because the cough goes away and then returns.. and I want to keep it within logic and reason
I am sure I can get it out of her system without traditional (medical) advised antibiotics, etc
Would anyone please offer any comments on those things I've tried.. ?
I know that this is not a medical practice forum, and I am not holding anyone liable for a few words of advice. (smiles)
Salome
Carlos
(Trying to keep it brief and concise)
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 391
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 10:19 pm: |
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Hola Carlos ;
I asked, because I have a cousin in Oz, named Carlos , who is a native Colombiano .
My mother was Colombiana , and Spanish was my first language , since she had not been in North America long when I was born. She didn't keep me to it , as she was very sharp, and wanted to get to know this new country and it's people . She was naturally wise and never believed in religions , especially the native catholicism . She was also an avid reader of a certain South American writer in the vein of Von Daniken ; J.J.Benitez . Naturally , by the time I became interested in the unknown and mysterious she was already there . She used to say that Jesus never existed , because "no one is that good" ! My interest in Spanish grew naturally over the years , but I was born in the USA .
As for your antibacteriological needs , you are well informed . Oregano oil is also potent , "y caliente tambien" . Ironically , mushrooms are beneficial in boosting the immune system , especially reishi and maiitake . Colostrum from first milking is high in immunoglobins . There is also a product called Occicollininum ( I almost spelled it right) and a natural cough suppressant called Pelargonium Sidoides from Africa, commercailly sold in the USA as Umcka Cold care . I hope this help your little one .
Paz y Salud , Mark |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 1696
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 12:45 am: |
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Hi Michael....
You did mentioned before that you DID NOT vote for Obama. Which is your Free
choice, of course.
Yeah, the rising of insurance rates as you mentioned should not take place, at
all! And do not think that is to be put in the shoes of Obama. I think, when
he notice this difference he will indeed take steps. Do not think he would
agree with those rates, which the insurance companies raised themselves, and
not Obama. Here, where I live it is all being monitored by the government,
which is positive. If you leave it up to the Right Liberals, and what not,
they would just let such rising take place, in the sense for them Capitalism
is what it is all about(: GREEDY people)! Thus, very Positive we have
excellent Left Social orientated parties which put a stop to such inhuman
practises!
I do not think that Obama would let the insurance company 'squeeze out'
their/his own people....
But, it is still all at a very early stage. Will have to take a bit more time
to realize such appropriate Healthcare for all Americans.
"Rome was not built in a day", Michael! [I think you realize that/this...]
Let us give Obama 'room' to breathe, I would say.
I would agree with what Billy and Christian said, to give him a Second term to
fullfill his work in office. Let him finish...what he started...?
Thank you for sharing your e-mail with us all, btw.
"May Barack Obama...Fullfil....his Mission!"
Edward. |
Techieatwork
Member
Post Number: 70
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 02:04 am: |
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Hi Mark.
Thank you for the advise in regards of the Oregano, Colostrum, mushrooms, Occicollininum, etc. I will read on about all those.
Please tell me the last name of your cousin, since I know another Carlos also from Colombia here in Sydney.
Thank you!
(Let's open email via private email, so we can chat in Spanish too mi amigo! (smile))
techieatwork@gmail.com
Salome
Carlos
(Trying to keep it brief and concise)
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Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 990
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 07:49 pm: |
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Hi Carlos,
Thanks for all that. Nice to get to know you better. :-)
Billy says that most illnesses are psychosomatic. It sounds like your little girl might be physically manifesting her perception of the tension in her home. Be conservative in your treatments, is my best advice. Good luck.
"Dyson & Vivienne ... Tasmania in some outback town."
Correction: "Dyson & Vivienne ... Tasmania between remote, rural localities."
(Tasmania is not big enough to have an "outback". We do have, however, a vast, untouched and hardly explored, hardly penetrable, wilderness area, about a third the size of the entire island state, which we live on the very edge of. With living thylacines.)
Cheers!
Dyson |
Enlightenedatlast
Member
Post Number: 32
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 04:39 am: |
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Good Morning All:
I have to thank you all for being so supportive. I do truly appreciate it! I have been busy going back to college after eight years. I am majoring in Environmental Science as I feel that it is very important to take care of our planet and our human race(s). I have to say that I was impressed when I met my Professors. They are all suited for well for me and my studies. My Biology teacher often talks about the possibility of life in the universe and when I heard him speak of this for the first time, I was relieved. I felt he was meant for me, as my professor that is. Then, my English Composition teacher focuses on Nature. He feels that our society, this generation, has taken themselves away from nature and now our children do not get the same experiences that we did as children, and he is absolutely correct. We go on Nature walks every two weeks and have to write about our experience, which is wonderful. He too was meant for me. Then my Biology Lab Professor really gets into it about Religion being a big joke to control the human population, the existence of life in the universe and the possibility of changing the definition of life based on science as we know it. He touches on the effects of global warming as well. I was truly intrigued by him the most. I have never heard someone, other than Billy, be so open and blunt, especially in a school setting. He even stated on my first day, why not teach children about Creation. Boom, there it was for me. I shined smiling feeling a true sense of relief knowing that my timing was perfect to enter back to school and that all of my professors were in some way, meant to teach me. I feel compelled to do my best each and everyday and I am excited and happy going to school to hear them speak more. So, enough about that. Last night something not so unusual but in a way, it sort of was, was this: I stopped at a small store last night because my daughter asked for a lollipop, since she has been sick for the last week with Bronchitis and really weak, last night she felt like herself again, so I thought it would be okay to treat her. As I came out of the store, two men approached me, one asked for a quarter or two. I said, sure. I opened my wallet and had no quarters or dollar bills, so I gave him five dollars and told him, think of it as a gift and do something good with it. I do not live in an area that is poor. He was certainly not homeless, I just felt compelled to help a fellow human being out and his eyes lit up real bright, knowing that any other person would not have done that for him. I smiled, he said thank you. I said you are welcome and told him not to stay outside for too long as it was very cold out last night. Then I drove home and a man was standing on the other side of the road from my house. I pulled into my driveway, got out of my van, and started to get my daughter out of her car seat. He ran across the street limping. He came to me and said, ma'am, do you have ten dollars to spare? I am hungry and I have no money. This man truly did look malnourished, so I took out a $20.00 dollar bill and said, Now listen, you go and get some food, do something good with it you hear. And he grabbed my hands and said, "Oh thank you ma'am, thank you." I said, "it is okay, now go get some food!" Once again, not everyone would do that, but twice in one night is what got me. There was something that I needed to do. I almost felt as if I were being tested to see if I would be greedy or if I would be giving. I am giving and so I did give. I am not sure why these two incidents happened last night, but to me, they meant something and I felt good again and I made two human beings happy and now they could eat. It was meaningful. Last night after all of that, my soon to be ex-husband called to talk to our daughter. She was upset, she did not want to talk to him. She saw what he did to her mother and she is, I think, angry with him for hurting her mother. So I told him how she has been doing and that she was getting over bronchitis and she can write her name now (She is 3) and he cried and said, that's awesome. Then he said, "I am so sorry" . I knew he was sorry, he was feeling guilt in a tremendous way. I said," I know, thank you." And left it at that. He was only to talk about our daughter and only our daughter per the restraining order. But he wanted to inform me of some important things, he said, "I'm paying your rent for March and all the bills are all paid including the van", Wow I thought. A man who once controlled everything and was really mean and paranoid in every respect, now is telling me sorry, he sees what he did and he's feeling guilty. Wow. I am not going to back down. The abuse was too much for too long and the children do NOT need to see it or hear it, I accepted the apology and I do not hate him, I want to be fair and civil. And I have been for a long time. A little bit later he was able to talk to Kira (our 3 yr. old daughter) and first thing he said was, "I love you peanut, I am so sorry hunny." She cried and cried and said, "No", then she said, "I Love you too". She understands what happened and she is scared that I am going to leave her because he had kept telling her that mommy was leaving (The night on 1/23/2010 when he became physically violent), it all came back to her and she said, "Mommy I don't want you to leave, you have to stay." I reassured her that I was not going anywhere and that I am always going to be with her. I hope that I am doing things right with my children. I am not going to take my husband back because he could do it again. And hey, we are a much calmer household now as well and happy. That is all I have ever wished for. So, in sending my love out there to all of you... have a great day even if the weather is not so wonderful!
Salome
Amanda |
Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 992
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 11:31 am: |
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Dear Amanda,
Welcome back. :-)
It looks to me as if you are finally starting to harvest the sweet fruit which is produced by Creation for those of us who engage in a genuine search for the truth.
Dear Mark,
Thanks for the interesting background info. And thanks for the clarifications. Mention Billy to NORMAL people? You'd have to be brave! :-)
Cheers!
Dyson |
Gib_niner
Member
Post Number: 95
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, February 25, 2010 - 02:36 pm: |
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hi Carlos,
(cont'd from 'current earth events')
Tried a couple more times using some other software progs for the face detection - however, have the feeling that it might be really just a big DEAD-END - Although if you try comparing a head-on pict. of real DM dancing girl (della fave) :- with forged ASket shot. the computer is saying that it is not a match - however if you experiment with say for example a picture of Jennifer Annistan - in different angles - it is only matching some - not all - thus software just not really all that reliable in the end.
one would like to think that once a face goes into the database (get 'enrolled') - that the biometrics of that face would be sufficient such that - even in the case that there is a slight deviation - in an orientation of face (ie different angles that a picture of a same face is taken from) - that the computer would be able to still identify - but alas this doesn't seem to be occuring at all. So guess..software seems only to like faces that are near perfect matches in most nearly every regard - but in regard also to orientation too - which again is a bit lacking to my mind. thus software just doesn't seem to be 'intelligent' enough to get any worthwhile consistent results.
oh well, however if you still want to experiment - with something on MAtlab - i took the liberty of emailing a zipped folder to that email address of yours with code in it that should 'run' on MAtlab.
However cant say for sure that that program itself is exactly the right suitable one for this purpose - (there might be others that are more suited)..but anyway maybe give it a shot for what its worth.
ok thats all for now.
Giorraíonn beirt bóthar,
Sean.
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 393
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Friday, February 26, 2010 - 02:14 pm: |
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Hi Amanda ;
I've had a few of those lately myself , most notably a poor elderly woman in tatters , toothless , who showed me in a very short time that her spirit was stronger than most , and unusually happy . She thanked me , and I told her that she had just helped me !
You sound like a terrific Mom who will find the right way for the both of you . A peaceful homelife .
Cubo, Dyson ;
Cubo , that means 'como te haido' , ( how have you been ). Actually , people will listen to just about anything with an open mind .Of course , I approach the subject through a different opener , such as some newly read writings of Ben Franklin , a Boston Printer .
For example , my treatment of the Arab/Muslim subject would be ; how Ben noticed that the North American Savages ( which he used in the context of how they were spoken of , not how he thought of them ) were eager to listen to whatever the Missionry priests had to say .
When the preist's monolouge was finished , the Chief stood up and said , (unquote)" We have a story of a woman who came from the sky ; we fed her tounge from a calf . She was so touched , that she told us to meet her there the next day , and when we did , she showed us corn , beans and tobacco , for the first time ."
The preist was furious and said ( unquote)" All lies ,all falsifications !" The Chief told him that they were happy to listen to his story , and they liked it , however strange to them .
In complete balance of themselves and in their self-awareness , they were only being polite , indulging the man who gave them his time . It meant something to them that someone would talk to them . They taught him that they had no reason not to believe him , and these storytellings were actually a custom for them .
They didn't know the concept of strangers lecturing to them , in the dictatorial sense . These so-called-savages had a code that was carefully handed down to generations of very precise conduct ; manners .
My point being that Americans like myself are speaking up in defence of mutual respect of all foreign people , and regarding their viewpoint as being relevant and valuable .
Salome , Mark |
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