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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 846
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 01:59 pm: | 
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Dear Poth,
The age of belief is drawing to a close. The golden age of knowledge dawns.
Wer die Wahrtheit nicht mit seinem Verstande, sondern mit Glauben erfassen will, der kann die Früchte aus ihr nicht ernten. - OM 53:26.
"He who will not comprehend the truth with his reason, but with his belief, cannot harvest the fruit from it."
Have you seen this? http://theyfly.com/New_Photo_Analysis_Shows%20.htm
Prior to the above analysis, Michael Horn invited me to write to Chris Lock, for whom I have a great deal of respect. Here’s a slightly edited copy of what I sent him. It might help you sort out some of your current confusion.
One thing that has always concerned me about science-based investigators of the Meier case is that the ideas described by Jim Deardorf’s brilliant article about semi-plausible deniability www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm don’t seem to be adequately understood or accepted. Reductionism has insuperable logical shortcomings which the Plejaren obviously exploit.
It’s also been my experience - as an intelligent person with a technical background - that intelligent people with technical backgrounds are often the least able to come to grips with the ETs’ wise/loving enlightenment methodologies. I suppose this has something to do with smart people not being accustomed to being so easily outsmarted. Similarly we are all somewhat habituated to terrestrial marketing ploys which naturally try to win the customers’ faith as quickly as possible.
As I’ve often said, these ET guys are not selling hamburgers. They state, right from the start, that they are trying to engender much-needed controversy, and the Wedding Cake ship is one of many deliberately controversial examples. We are told that these three ostensibly identical ships, measuring, 7, 14 and 21 metres respectively, were purposely built for these photo-op flights on Earth. The spaceships’ pop-up extensions were to accommodate shower facilities. And the ships were ruined by their short-term exposure to our corrosive air-pollution. Similarly, the mind-boggling putative history of these bizarre-looking ships extends – in my opinion – well into the realm of humour, which seems universally to make fun of human stupidity and gullibility. As the Plejaren say, “Stupidity will never die out, especially among Earth humans.”
Try to read this with a straight face. http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.v7p406,7&460,1.htm
At this point, please let me draw your attention to one of our most recent translations, which has not yet been widely read, but which – I think – provides a real key to understanding a lot of the ET agenda and supports Jim’s theories about the ETs’ non-dogmatic attitude towards truth. It can be found here http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_028#Should_One_Always_Tell_The_Truth_No_Matter_What.3F
Below is an introduction which I initially wrote for the FIGU forum readers, but ultimately decided not to include when I posted our translation. Please bear with me. It’s important.
Dear all,
I've finally made the time in my life to go back and thoroughly read all the FIGU bulletins which were published before Vivienne and I discovered the renewed teachings of the truth back in 2002 - via "Crop Circles", leading to the Disclosure Project, etc. There are some real eye-openers in these old bulletins, and I wanted to share the below May 2000 "Reader's Question" with you because we all (should) know that number nine of the Twelve Recommendations (previously known as the 12 Directives, 12 Commandments, 12 Bids and so on and so forth) states: 9. You shall never, never speak an untruth, and sometimes this has been hard to understand in light of Billy and the Plejarens' bizarre proclamations about some of the currently most sensitive and iconoclastic events and incidents we are confronted with here on Planet Suicide. A list quickly springs to mind, and the more destabilising (to Billy and the Plejarens' difficult salvage work) these items seem to be, the more vehemently these blatant truths are howled down as deplorable lies, charlatanism, lunacy, stupidity, egoism, or various combinations thereof, etc. etc.
Ethicists call this ethical teleology, also known by us morally challenged, primitive, not-yet-quite-human Earth people as "the-ends-justify-the-means". But don't get me wrong. I'm the first to show my gratitude for all the help that this advanced ET protocol, by Billy & Ptaah & Co, has granted me, both generally and quite personally.
I also understand that it might even be debatable as to the advisability of making available the below translation at all. But it's been in German for almost a decade and I know there are a lot of computer "translators" out there, so I know it was only a matter of time before some horribly mangled and confused version of the below appeared, so I thought I'd get in first.
Suffice it to say that any of you who still have not already successfully back-engineered the advanced, unearthly ethical stance, outlined below, from your private study of the FIGU material, just try to remember that it seems to be saying that it is morally correct to conceal the dangerous fact that certain dangerous facts must be concealed with what are still generally known as on this planet as "lies".
This also touches upon the explosive topic of the meaning of words.
The bottom line is: try to think for yourselves.
OM 53:26 Wer die Wahrtheit nicht mit seinem Verstande, sondern mit Glauben erfassen will, der kann die Früchte aus ihr nicht ernten. (He who will not comprehend the truth with his reason, but with his belief, cannot harvest the fruit from it.)
Salome!
Dyson
The upshot of all this is that the difficulties with accepting the Wedding Cake ships as real seem to have been quite intentionally designed into them, and their photographs, for the reasons described in Jim’s article about denial.
An adequate understanding of the holistic plan is a prerequisite for any reductionistic technical investigations.
I hope this has helped.
Cheers!
Dyson |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 757
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 03:44 am: |
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Dear Poth,
I guess I should of introduced myself and welcomed you first before presenting you with a helpful common courtesy. If you feel that was rude by me, it was not intended that way. Now if you had explained, 'I've searched through the forum archives and I am unable to discover the answer to my questions', then surely I would be a rude one, but I must of missed that posting describing that event...
You state this in mid sentence,
",your post to me was rude,"
Rude, no. Cynical would be closer to my perceptions of people sometimes. If I was rude, then maybe I was misunderstood, cause how could I possibly be wrong. 
I've just read Dyson's reply to you Poth regarding the WCUFO controversy, and can say he did some homework for you. He's very accommodating and forthright.
I've also just read Michael's post to you as well.
"Relax. Don't be desperate about any of it."
At least I didn't make you out to be a desperado! Michael is an extremely nice an knowledged person in many things, and I'm almost sure he also meant no mean-stuff.
I understand your desire to know. And asking questions are a proven method to finding answers. Manuals, history books, dictionaries, menus, signposts, graffiti, and all other written materials offer stuff to know, oh, and archives.
Sorry, I just felt a little picked on and had recently shed my thicker skin, so I'm sure you can understand my understanding on my first post to you.
In reality, I was stepping on the foot/feet(?) of the moderators here and I should be feeling shameful for such actions. Forgive me.
And please, do not state as fact that I said for you, or any new person, that they can't ask questions. This forum is all about questions. The more in depth the question, the better our learning grows. The newest members many times ask questions that have been overlooked by all the "experts", or not. We are fortunate that we have moderators that are very lenient, or not.
New members and regular members that begin interacting here all gain from such energy. But it can be said that you'll be helping more if you spend your time searching what has already been discussed and thus generating greater questions for all to learn from.
I accept my apology in full.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 852
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 02:12 pm: |
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Correction!
I made a mistake in the above posting, when I said that the Wedding Cake ships were 7, 14 & 27m in diameter. What I SHOULD have written was 3.5, 7 & 14m in diameter. Sorry about that.
Salome,
Dyson |
Poth
Member
Post Number: 15
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 01, 2010 - 10:56 am: |
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Kingman,Thank you very much for your reply! I feel much better having read your explanation and I want to apologize if I came off too harsh,I also was having a hard time that day and may have taken your words to the extreme and am truly sorry!I am now in the habit of doing even more detailed searches before posting and have you to thank for this,it was good advice and has helped to get the answers I need! I have so much to learn and have so much catching up to do! Thank you once again! Be well!! Peace to you and all!! Sincerely.....Poth |
Jokoveltman
Member
Post Number: 19
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 11:42 pm: |
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Justsayno,
You said:
Hi Tim, ok, ok, I get your point. Would it be fair to say that after WW2, the Japanese hated the USA government?
No I wasn't making a joke when I said "everyone also hated the Jews during this time". Sure it looks silly now, but back then (WW2), things were different. A boat load of Jewish people were turned away in the Montreal harbour simply because they were jewish. It was common knowledge that our government turned them away. Like I said, we love to re-write history, that atrocity is never talked about in our classrooms today. I remember it was talked about once in a local school as an open conversation in the classroom (never taught). The teacher was fined and lost his job.
Everyone can also trace their geneology back to a criminal - and marrying first cousins too, lol. If you're on the auto bahn (?spelling), you have to drive fast, don't the slow drivers get fined?
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To answer your first question, no - and while this is can be arrived at logically, I also know this for a fact from Japanese friends of mine who "were there".
My whole point is that blanket statements in regards to the thoughts, feelings, character traits, etc. of human beings (as opposed to your example of genealogies with criminals) - are not truthful.
As for the "everybody" was an anti-Semite ... apparently, you haven't read or seen Schindler's List, nor must you know of any one of the many thousands of people (including my own grandparents) in many countries who harboured and rescued Jews. And while the event you mention in Montréal harbour was an evil action, not only are there other possible candidates for motivation besides hatred, but it also cannot be logically concluded from that event that "everybody hated Jews", or even that "Canadians hated Jews".
As for the German autobahn, there is a lower speed limit (60km/h), and certain vehicles do have upper limits as well. I don't know whether a driver is fined for driving at or below this limit, however.
Peace,
Tim
p.s. What is your given name? |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 1173
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 06:00 am: |
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*****
Hi Tim,
I do know that in the USA the Freeways have a 40-MPH lower limit, persons in vehicles which cannot go at least 40 are not even allowed to get ON the freeway, and yes they will be fined. It should be logical for drivers on the Autobahn to keep-up with the Flow of Traffic, or they will be a "rolling hazard," soon to be toast.
And I LOVE Maple Syrup. I grew up in New Hampshire where we used to make our own. I remember the buckets hanging from the spouts in all the Maple Trees -- used to go out in the mornings, break the ice off them and drink the sap. We had a 40-gallon pot on the old Wood stove in those days, and poured more buckets of the sap in as it boiled down. This made a good thick maple syrup. Then for a special treat, let it continue to boil down to maple-sugar candy, pure and sweet.
Peace
*****
~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 518
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 08:08 am: |
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Can you please get back to the topic.
Peace,
Badr |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 121
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 09:09 am: |
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Sorry Badr, as I feel I need to reply to Tim.
Hi Tim, we all have our own reality, not everyone's reality is the same. If you don't want to believe that jewish people were hated, that's your perogative. Nothing that Steven Spielberg can put out there is going to change history. You say there had to be some other motivation for turning that boat away, so what was it? Logically and historically, I cannot come up with anything other than what I said.
I do feel for you as not only do you have to deal with issues from your current life, but also issues that your grandparents had to deal with. Not an easy road to travel.
Peace
Sheila (my given name) |
Jokoveltman
Member
Post Number: 22
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Friday, February 12, 2010 - 11:11 pm: |
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Sheila,
I will be very brief.
Your response shows that you have accurately understood nearly nothing of what I have said. I'm willing to walk you out of it, but this is probably not the best place to do so. You may contact me at jokoveltman@gmail.com if you are interested.
Peace,
Tim
p.s. Badr, am I off topic? I didn't know where else to put this discussion ... but I felt it important and it was definitely off-topic in the "Third World War" thread ... |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 1178
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 01:44 pm: |
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Hello Tim,
We are ( I am ) interested in following the line of logic of this discussion. Unless you have a 'private issue,' please continue with posting (in the 'appropriate' forum, of course). There will be interest in this topic for the educational value for many younger persons in the Forum.
The Value comes in understanding the Emotions and Motives of involved Humanity through the times of "War and Peace."
<signed> "A 'war-baby' from WWII"
Peace
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~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Jokoveltman
Member
Post Number: 24
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 02:30 am: |
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Rod,
Thank you.
I really don't have much to say except what I did - it is clear to me, from her "turning" of my words into the complete opposite, that Sheila did not understand what I was saying. She also appears to feel threatened by something I said, but I did not want to create any undue vexation (the instruction in KdW 3.35 was rather painfully driven home to me recenty), nor did I want to try to force Sheila into a discussion in which she may not be willing or ready to participate. Hence my message.
But I am more than willing to continue the conversation with you, Sheila, or anyone else that may wish to participate. (But is this the correct thread? I can't seem to find a more appropriate one. Moderator, please advise.)
Peace,
Tim |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 1182
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 03:49 pm: |
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Hi Tim,
To find an appropriate section for any post, use the "Tree View" (above, at the top), and expand each main section to find the relevant 'Sub-sections'. This is a great tool for exploring the entire Forum. The Archives of many sections have some pretty good discussions and information.
For relevance to Human relations in respect to the 'mixed-bag' of Races we have on this planet, my recommendation is: » The Planet Earth » Races, Racism, and Rights.
For relevance to war &c, I recommend: » The Planet Earth » Miscellaneous » Third world war.
You will find some sections 'closed to new postings', but there will be interest in all the others. Discussions in the various sections seem to go in cycles, as one or another 'heats-up' with some current interests. Jump-in anywhere you like.
Peace
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~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Jokoveltman
Member
Post Number: 25
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 11:52 pm: |
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Rod,
Thanks for the info. I did look through the list of available threads, but the discussion - it seemed to me - is more about truth and logic ( > "Application of Natural Logic"?) than races, racism, or even war. Those things just happened to come up in the discussion (which started as a result of me pointing out to Dyson how illogical and false the generalisation he made ("No wonder the Japanese hate the USA") is).
To me, the logic is very simple and clear-cut, but of course the same is not so for everyone.
Peace,
Tim |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 129
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2010 - 06:45 pm: |
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Hi Tim, I don't feel threatened at all and would be willing to continue this conversation. You would not believe how many generalizations come up in the contact notes.
Sheila |
Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 956
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, February 15, 2010 - 06:53 pm: |
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Hi guys,
If I can break in ....
I think that all this stems from a simple disagreement about the meaning of words - one which Vivienne and I also have sometimes.
If I say, (for example) "Grass is green." Vivienne says, "No. It's not. I've seen brown and yellow grass, when it's dead and dry, for instance." Then I say, "When I said, 'Grass is green' that doesn't mean that ALL grass is green ALL the TIME!" She says, "Then why didn't you make any qualifications? That IS what you said! You said, "Grass is green"! That means that ALL grass is green ALL the TIME!"
After almost 20 years, we still have these same disagreements, and, obviously, so do others. But getting opposite perspectives lets us see both sides of every issue. It's one of our greatest strengths (of many).
I blame English.
:-)
Cheers!
Dyson |
Jokoveltman
Member
Post Number: 26
Registered: 11-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 08:22 am: |
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Dyson,
You are correct about the origins of the conversation. However, I do not take it lightly nor regard it as inconsequential, nor would I "blame it on English". One is responsible for one's words whether they be Japanese, Urdu, German or English, and untruth is untruth whatever the language. Perhaps you can now deduce why I brought the issue up to you (specifically) at all.
Sheila,
I am at a bit of a loss for what to say, because I don't really have much to add to what I have already said. I have stated the issue quite completely - with examples, even (though there may have been better choices than maple syrup and the autobahn). Yet you do not understand - assertions to the contrary notwithstanding. I can say this with certainty because you have falsely put words in my mouth, and even pity me (which you can keep, by the way) for ungrounded imaginations regarding my lot in life. The resolution of the issue for you must come from within; you must want it - understanding cannot be forced - which is why I was so brief in my last message to you. The only thing I can think of is to suggest that you read my messages regarding this issue slowly and out loud, perhaps that will make my meaning more clear.
I only have one more thing to say (for today). One can only infer from the last sentence of your most recent message to me that you wish to undermine me and to make yourself appear knowledgeable. Kindly stop making such remarks.
Peace to all,
Tim |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 133
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 01:12 pm: |
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Tim, I didn't put any words in your mouth, you did that all by yourself. I don't pity you, but I do have empathy for you because it's a fact that your genetics plays a very big role in who you are now. My only point (which never got posted) was that around WW2 everyone was biased against anyone who was not from their own country. When my grandmother first immigrated here, she said that they had to start marrying Norwegions because there wasn't enough Scots to go around. Pretty silly, huh? That mind set was prevalent in those days. Yes I understand your meaning about generalizations, that is still not going to stop me or anyone else from making them, simply because you don't like it. I am no more knowledgable than you and that would definitely not be a good thing if I made myself appear knowledgable, how does one do that, btw? Are you planning on fighting with Billy's teachings next, because he makes a big generalization about Americans in the latest contact report released today.
So let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that unless you have anything further to say.
Peace out
Sheila |
Sonik_01
Member
Post Number: 125
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, February 16, 2010 - 02:02 pm: |
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Jokoveltman,
I think your "Peace to all" remark is quite hypocritical judging that you are quite intelligent enough to understand what Dyson is saying when he says "No wonder the Japanese hate Americans". Any denial of this from you, I am sorry, but I would not believe. If Dyson said something like that there is obviously something of truth behind it even though it is NOT 100%. I can say "Americans are stupid" and you would jump at me without honestly exploring the finer points behind it. Good work in your lack of thinking. Instead of asking dyson, "Dyson, why would you say this"?, you immediately begin to attack. I see you as nothing much better than an overgrown bully here on this forum and I make no apologies for that. As per my "Americans are stupid" remark, let me say that I have my reasons for it. Americans in general have less education than their welfare state counterparts because a higher education is simply too expensive in the US. It costs double of what we pay in Canda and is not sponsored by government agencies. Therefore, who could afford a $40,000 University tuition bill per child with a mortgage and car payments? In some sense the USA is a third world country with the average worker only receiving a subsistance wage to survive. Another thing is that due in part to this and in part due to historical reasons, most US Americans are held tightly in the grip of religious delusion and the would die for their beliefs, and as we all know, the more religious a country or a society or a person is, the more strongly they fight back against progress and advancement in all fields because they hold in such high esteem their petty religious beliefs. The average American is also inundated and brainwashed by the corporate media in a way that most other countries are not. It horrifies me sometimes to see the vast emptiness and mindlessness of the TV shows available on the US TV stations and their doctored news reports. Some people really believe what they see on CNN. The worse factor by far is the religious fervor of the people in the "Bible Belt" in Dallas, Texas, there are 27 Churches withina 3 mile drive and that is the average. They love their country, and they love their guns and they love their churches i n the Bible belt, and that is no joke.
So, in conclusion, the lack of education, the total religiousness of the population and the brainwashing by the corporate media serve to undermeine the population's will for self-determination and independance.
That is the reason why I said "Americans are stupid" Of COURSE not ALL Americans are stupid, but the fact that generalizations need to be explained is not a difficult fact to understand. I wonder why you didn't understand it? Either you a)Have a lack of general education, or b) you have a lack of common sense or c) you are just trying to pick a fight, or d) all of the above
Thank You. |
Marc
Moderator
Post Number: 205
Registered: 10-2000
| | Posted on Thursday, February 18, 2010 - 01:56 pm: |
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Please note: The discussion concerning FIGU Society USA and Contact 423 have been moved to the FIGU Related--Miscellaneous Discussion topic area |
Goldenheart
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 09-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 12:20 am: |
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wow if I were an advanced being reading these notes to each other I would pack up and come back in a 100,000 years. Don't you listen? be kind and respectful..my question, I see the logic in not interfering with lower species but,the end result is the same, the only difference is time, and since the universes time is finite why shouldn't an advanced species show themselves? We have records for thousands of years, probably millions,showing that we have been used by our "brothers". Our brains are the same then as now, the only difference is experience. Many of us are ready to meet our solar fathers, but I fear that the secret one's will prevail and another lifetime will be for naught. The stars are what we seek but the tools needed are not released for us to use. Our goverment has stealth technology and spacecraft, but how can we take the next step unless we have help from outside? Something has to crack so that we can see into the light. As a father teaches his son he could not allow his son to die without giving everything he has to help him if he asks, and many of us are asking... |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 793
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 03, 2010 - 07:17 pm: |
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Hi Robyn,
Even though I use the word 'translation' in this post, I'll put it here as a better choice.
The posts in translation regarding Dyson's remarks towards the involvement of less experience translators highlight a couple of things. Important, hmmm, maybe. Insightful, possibly.
It's easy to sense you have much respect felt towards your efforts in moderating this forum. A well deserved respect by all means. And equally deserved respect goes to our friend Dyson as well.
I responded after your reaction to Dyson's opinion about the communal translation method being employed by Benjamin as I thought Dyson was missing a point in what transpires through Benjamin's open discussion on translation points.
I also now think, especially by the posts of everyone following your response to Dyson, that your reaction was a little strong in a unique way. While I think your point has it's reasonableness and validity, I can sense now that maybe it was a heavier step than what I would expect from a moderator towards someone expressing an actual truth in an area they are highly involved with. Truth from a simple logical viewpoint, at least that is what I think. Dyson pointed out a clear reality seen from his position. He was being Dyson. Nothing new there.
As you can see, your response carried some weight to it. You have a tough job balancing the member/moderator position and there I don't envy you. 
You have my utmost respect.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 299
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 01:36 am: |
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I am not proud of what I wrote in my post #295 in translation thread. I don't know what happened to me. Somehow I interpreted his repeated disdain for amateur translation as a masked message questioning the good intention of many amateur translations offered in the translation thread. Obviously, it was a knee jerk reaction and I know I was wrong.
I understand now that Dyson's warning was akin to dissuading quackers from treating a seriously ill patient which may make things worse even if the doctor is not around.
I have many flaws and I am still learning.
Salome.
Suv
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Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 441
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, April 04, 2010 - 02:08 am: |
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I feel that a neutral positive approach to interpersonal interpolations is nessescary .
One view is diametrically opposed to the other like heat and cold meeting , creating turbulent weather .
Naturally, by now I feel like a Koan writer , but it didnt start out like that ! |
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