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Borthwey
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Post Number: 165
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 04:34 am: | 
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What is valuable deserves mentioning, even if it comes from Israel. At least, if one is discussing technological progress.
Unfortunately though, the same inventivness and zeal with which they improve and protect their lives simultaneusly serves to destroy the lives and earthly possessions of their neighbours.
Bullet and grenade proof bulldozer designed to destroy palestinian constructions. Image taken from the “Peace, Propaganda and the Promised Land: Media & the Israel-Palestine Conflict” documentary:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6604775898578139565#
Biased media reports on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOC1RReb6gc&feature=related
I agree that perpetual revenge leads nowhere. Or, it just leads to things like this:
Israelis kill a Palestinian family in cold blood
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVENJ_Urs1w&playnext_from=TL&videos=X3Q85v590T8
David
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Ramirez
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Post Number: 438
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 07:20 am: |
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Hi Kingman,
If you read General Order Four these folks (Guardians Of The Free Republics) are demanding diplomatic immunity and immunity from arrest for ...... themselves.
So in effect they are proposing that anyone who is a member of or somehow becomes a member of these Guardians Of The Free Republics is held in a position above common law ...... how interesting. I thought only the folks at Trilateral Commission, Federal Reserve, CFR and their stooges were privileged enough for that sort of status 
It appears to be a scam with the intention of instituting mob rule .... just a different mob than the one presently running the show behind closed doors through their elected puppets.
And yes ..... plastering God all over their document adds suspicion regarding motives and agenda.
Cheers.
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 227
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 11:25 am: |
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Borthwey,
You won't find much of an argument here about the negativity, damage, etc. in the official policies and conduct of Israel.
But just as Meier and Ptaah have been careful to not tar all Americans with the brush that paints our policies, aggression, etc. in the dark light that they deserve, so we must not do the same to others. There are good and bad to be found everywhere. And one thing I can say is that encouraging the good where there is receptivity is invaluable, as it will help it to grow.
Those who may be the exceptions to the prevailing negative beliefs, conduct, etc. of a society also need to know that they are noticed, appreciated, etc., that they are indeed part of a much wider, though not as often acknowledged, network of positive, like-minded individuals. |
Hunter
Member
Post Number: 302
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 12:35 pm: |
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Hi Shawn,
No, the Restore America plan is not a ploy of the elite. I've followed the "careers" of some of the principals in the plan for several years now. I've never seen them engage in any actions that I would deem dishonest or unethical. This plan would demolish the plans of the elite and stop the New World Order, as guided by the Bilderberg group.
On Democracy - we've never had Democracy in the U.S. - nor should we want it. We were founded as a Constitutional Republic - and that's best form of government presently available to us. The substance of the plan is a restoration of liberty - which is the right for adult individuals to engage in actions that are peaceful, honest, and voluntary. It limits government to its only legitimate role - punishing those who initiate force, fraud or coercion.
I obviously disagree with the use of God in their declaration, but Obama professes to be a Christian also. Did you vote for him? Have you ever voted for anyone who believes in God? We have to be pragmatic and accept that this is a Christian majority nation at the present time. But if we have a real chance to restore a limited government bound to principles of neutrality and non-invention - then that should be the prize - and we shouldn't sweat over the mention of God in the plan - since pretty much every politician out there is also mentioning God.
You ask where were they when Bush was destroying the country - they were fighting him tooth and nail and attempting to educate everyone they could. The Patriot movement is a very different animal from the Tea Party movement. If you think they're similar, then you haven't researched them. Tea Party members believe that voting is the only means of political change. The Patriot movement has been fighting the government in the court system for decades now - and many of them are in jail as political prisoners as a result. They view voting as virtually useless - and protest as irrelevant. They've uncovered numerous legal frauds that the government is engaged in and seek to directly confront and challenge the state in court. |
Hunter
Member
Post Number: 303
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 12:53 pm: |
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Ramirez,
You totally misread the declaration. What's up with you guys?
They seek diplomatic immunity FOR ALL AMERICANS from the color of law statutes of the corporate United States - the one created by and for the elites.
They are not held above common law - they are subject to arrest and prosecution under common law if they violate the rights of another individual or group by initiating force, fraud or coercion against them.
You guys need to read and listen a little more thoroughly. |
Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 1119
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 06:19 pm: |
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Dear all,
I think the "Birthright Israel" logo is quite revealing of the fact that the traditional - but historically tested - loyalty to (malign extraterrestrial) Henn (a.k.a. Jehovah, YHWH, etc.) by his "chosen ones" (read "chosen victims") is still evidently being granted to (malign extraterrestrial) Horus, the Egyptian sun (etc.) god.
http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/The%20Gods%20of%20the%20Earth%20Were%20Human.pdf
Left: U.S. Dollar bill. Bottom centre: close-up. Top, centre, left and right: "Birthright Israel" logo and Eye of Horus, respectively. Right: Horus.
Any and all U.S. American citizens who care about the future of their mighty country owe it to their homeland and the future of their children to carefully familiarise themselves with the contents of U.S. Congressman Paul Findley's courageous book about who REALLY sits firmly in USAmerica's driver's seat. I think that it is one of the most important books that there is at this moment in history and is also just about the most shocking and unbelievable book I've ever read (and I don't state that lightly) although my research forces me to accept that it is a true account of a grim, factual situation.
They Dare to Speak Out: People and Institutions Confront Israel's Lobby - by Congressman Paul Findley
http://www.amazon.com/They-Dare-Speak-Out-Institutions/dp/155652482X
Salome,
Dyson
P.S. Michael, I liked and second what you said in your 227th posting. |
Hunter
Member
Post Number: 304
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 01:08 pm: |
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For anyone who doesn't understand the de facto corporations masquerading as de jure governments, this is a good video series to watch:
John Harris - It's An Illusion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0IM7Hobd_k playnext_from=TL&videos=eYgXPCebQDo
Information on the corporate United States:
SUPREME COURT RULINGS ON THREE UNITED STATES
United States v. Bevans, 16 U.S. 3 Wheat. 336 336 (1818)
United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876).
HOOVEN & ALLISON CO. v. EVATT, OCTOBER TERM, 1944. Syllabus. 324 U.S.
“The high Court confirmed that the term "United States" can and does mean three completely different things, depending on the context:” Hooven & Allison Co. vs. Evatt, 324 U.S. 652 (1945) & United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1876) & United States v. Bevans, 16 U.S. 3 Wheat. 336 336 (1818) these examples of case law show that there are three different and distinct forms of the United States of America.
UNITED STATES CORPORATION
TITLE 28 > PART VI > CHAPTER 176 > SUBCHAPTER A > § 3002
§ 3002. Definitions (15) “United States” means—
(A) a Federal corporation;
(B) an agency, department, commission, board, or other entity of the United States; or
(C) an instrumentality of the United States.
CORPUS JURIS SECUNDUM VOL 20 SECTION 1785 DEFINE THE UNITED STATES AS A FOREIGN CORPORATION
TITLE 5 > PART I > CHAPTER 1 > § 103
§ 103. Government Corporation
For the purpose of this title—
(1) “Government corporation” means a corporation owned or controlled by the Government of the United States; and
(2) “Government controlled corporation” does not include a corporation owned by the Government of the United States.
Avalon Project Yale
The 13 colonies were not colonies, but under a corporate charter. Each name was a name of a corporation in England.
Charter for the Province of Pennsylvania-1681
Charter of Delaware – 1701
Charter of Georgia: 1732
The Charter of Maryland: 1632
The First Charter of Virginia; April 10, 1606 |
Hunter
Member
Post Number: 305
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 01:38 pm: |
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More details on the Restore America plan:
http://guardiansofthefreerepublics.com/introduction.html |
Hunter
Member
Post Number: 306
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 03:29 pm: |
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A normal font copy of the declaration for the Restore America plan:
http://againstgovernmentcorruption.org/Forum%20Articles%20Etc/Declaration%202010%20-%20verdana.pdf |
Syn
Member
Post Number: 265
Registered: 04-2007
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 06:07 pm: |
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the restore america plan is NOT an extremist group. they are simply enforcing their common law rights that the corporation known as UNITED STATES OF AMERICA has trampled over. It has come to a point where the military has begun to refuse obamas orders and to inform sam kennedy on what to do to comman the military to protect the LAW.
acts/statutes/rules/regulations/proclamations/declarations/etc. are NOT laws. It is a rule of society given the force of law within a structured society upon the consent of the related parties.
the freeman-on-the-land is happening in canada also as i am also spearheading that effort also.
rest assured that this plan must proceed in order to not cause america to completely collapse.
everyone underestimates the arresting powers of the provost marshall. He alone has the authority to arrest the president.
They must find it difficult...Those who have taken authority as the truth, rather then the truth as the authority
-Gerald Massey
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Kingman
Member
Post Number: 797
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 09:23 pm: |
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Hunter,
Yes, I voted for Obama because he was the best choice. His religious position is par for the course to be President. I can't say the same for RAP. Whatever their game plan is I don't see it as well thought out. Just look at their unreadable font. How long did they research that bad idea of a choice?
This movement decides to go public as Obama starts to fix things and was invisible to the masses as Bush rapes our country like no other before him. These are clear basic facts that don't add up in their favor. Bush destroyed so much, Obama, as limited as his power is, is repairing things. Why would I ever want to get behind such a position they chose to operate under.
The only relevant part towards relating to Billy's materials is that such actions as RAP will, if ever acted upon by enough people, help break the country up into separate nations by revolution. A Billy Meier prophecy.
I've made my point clear, I hope you understand my position.
a friend in america
Shawn
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Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 440
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 10:05 pm: |
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Hi Hunter,
General Order Four reads something along the lines of how Blackwater operates in Iraq.
And yes that is correct. The United States is a Constitutional Republic not a democracy. The word democracy in never mentioned anywhere in the Constitution or Bill Of Rights.
What appears most urgently needed most is for the US populace to wake up and re-instate their republic by voting out the puppets on a string, not participate in a scheme to introduce some religio-fascist thugocracy run by the Guardian Elders.
What's this Guardian Elders crap .... who are these people ?
This proposal is treason. As Shawn stated ...... where were these good people of the lord when Bush and his cronies were running America into the ground, amassing a mountain of debt, illegally invading foreign lands under false pretenses ? Where were they ?
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Sacred Certification of Authenticity
of the Guardian Elders for
The unanimous Declaration of the sovereign People of the united States of America to restore and reinhabit the free American republics and all parts thereof herein and hereunder,
We the Guardian Elders
of the free American republics, authors of The Unanimous Declaration of the sovereign People of the united States of America to restore and reinhabit the free American Republics, c. 2010 under God, organizers of the well-regulated Guardians of the Free Republics, architects of the re-inhabitation of the de jure institutions of government on the land known as the free American republics and the United States of America republic, c. 1787, as amended 1791, constitutors of the De jure Grand Juries charged with supercedeas and productive oversight and supervision thereof and with respect to any and all subsequent de jure grand juries which may be formed by the Guardians of the Free Republics from time to time, do hereby sacredly affirm and certify by our hands and seals affixed below the authenticity of The Unanimous Declaration of the sovereign People of the united States of America to restore and reinhabit the free American Republics to which this certification is attached with all contents intact, pages numbering as many as indicated below, in particular a certain Warrant (to the governors of the free American republics), First through Fifth order(s) to the governors, General Orders (to the men and women of the United States armed forces), General Orders One through Seven, a Provisional Bond De jure of Public Indemnification, Self-evident Expositions of Truth, this Sacred Certification of Authenticity and each state’s signatories hereto numbering at least twenty-six souls as the well-regulated Guardians of the Free Republics and respective republics’ De jure Grand Juries, and all copies of the complete and whole foregoing noted as authenticated abstracts when our hands and seals appear where so indicated below, all such hands appearing in original red ink to signify all of the aforesaid as a sacred blood covenant with and in the presence of the Almighty
Creator, this _____________ day of the _____________ month, in the year of our Lord, two thousand and ten.
Duly certified original by
____________________ ____________________ ____________________ ____________________
James Timothy Turner Thomas Bradford Schaults Regan Dwayne Reedy Samuel Thomas Kennedy
Contact at:
Duly certified authentic abstract (single hand and seal sufficient for authentication)
____________________ ____________________ ____________________ ____________________
James Timothy Turner Thomas Bradford Schaults Regan Dwayne Reedy Samuel Thomas Kennedy
Seals:
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Fourth order to the governors
of the De jure Grand Juries
of the People of the united States of America
assembled under God
Provide safe passage through the state republic(s)
free from government molestation
You are hereby ordered by these De jure Grand Juries to direct the man or woman
occupying the office of Secretary of State of your respective state republic to prepare an appropriate verifiable wallet-sized document by which Guardians of the Free Republics will be afforded diplomatic immunity and safe passage through your (our) respective state republic, and by extension, through the United States of America, free from government detention, arrest, hindrance, interference, scrutiny and/or
molestation, such identification to be ready for production no later than thirty (30) days after receipt of this order and without language diminishing the sovereign People to wards of the state or subject-class citizenship; with production thereafter to require no greater than seven (7) days after request.
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Then more interesting things ........
Expositions of blasphemy unto the Lord
Pursuant to the above, we do not now, and have never intended to abdicate our dominion over all the earth as granted by the Creator to a system of “legal” statutes and fictions of law created, administered and perpetuated by a privileged class of foreign officials known as “Esquire” so that we might be compelled to “pray” as pagans to United States Federal Corporation de facto territorial courts as is required in such courts across the country. The sin of praying to a court as is common practice among attorneys-at-law is self-evident. We do not now, nor will be ever be compelled to condemn ourselves to eternal damnation by “praying” to corporations or other false idols. We do not now, nor have we ever consented to layers of corporate “limited liability” or other usurpations of personal responsibility that have effectively robbed the People of their cultural memory and capacity for self-sustenance and transformed them into wards of the state whose survival depends on voting privileges instead of glorification of the Lord.
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Just read this stuff ..... straight out of the big book of lies mixed in with a load of mumbo jumbo melodrama.
Cheers.
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Smukhuti
Member
Post Number: 309
Registered: 06-2009
| | Posted on Friday, April 09, 2010 - 10:43 pm: |
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Since "ET Intervention On Earth" is closed, I'm posting this here.
There are a host of masonic symbology that is present in the dollar bill that has been discussed in this forum and others, but out of all, only two are of special significance to me ever since I came to know of the Meier contacts. One is that of "all-seeing eye" in the U.S. dollar bill seemed to me to convey the meaning: Eye of Horus over Giza pyramid. Also the "Annuit Cœptis" in the seal which I read means "He has approved our undertakings", that made me think.
Salome.
Suv
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Bianca
Member
Post Number: 69
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 02:33 am: |
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For those who do not live or lived amongst the jews/israelis it is incredibly difficult to comprehend the psyche of the people, if not impossible. And yes, with every good there is more bad and the "superiority complex" of these people every where is rife and breathing fire! So with that complex deeply embedded in their mind since childhood there is also insecurity which is also entrenched from childhood against all and imagined evil (arabs). No logical reason can be put forward in an argument, I tried and failed. But those few who have the courage are shunned and ostracized and others are afraid to speak up amongst friends.
But if in the US especially things are stirred then I think slowly things will begin to change. |
Edward
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Post Number: 1742
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 03:22 am: |
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Hi Michael and David....
You BOTH made some very good points, there.
And, of course, Israeli Science is 'another' stand point of view, than her
(unreliable) Politics. And, our Earthly Survival is also dependent on HOW
Israel Behaves! [See, Prophecies]
The appointed ruling government is just 'too radical' in her ways, as now is
even made known, the building of some units will still become a reality, with
disappointment to the Obama administration and other related parties. [Now,
Nathanyahu backs out, due, to USA wanting to talk about Israeli Nukes!]
Israel (Science), just like many other world countries DO....contribute to
improving or lives, without a doubt, and which should indeed, be seen from a
Positive perspective, no?
You BOTH, made good excellent points.
It is just: the PROS and CONS, of Israeli!
Just, as it would be with some other country, if mentioned.
Edward. |
Techieatwork
Member
Post Number: 101
Registered: 08-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 05:02 am: |
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SMOLENSK, Russia (Reuters) – Poland's President Lech Kaczynski, its central bank head and the country's military chief were among 96 people killed when their plane crashed in thick fog on its approach to a Russian airport on Saturday.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100410/ts_nm/us_poland_president_crash
Salome
Carlos
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Billy: Dann sprichst du eben in geraffter Form.
Quetzal: Das will ich tun.
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Silence
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 09-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 09:29 am: |
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I am from Poland.
As you can imagine - it is a big shock for the people. There is an enormous crowd by the presidents palace, everybody is bringing flowers and lighting candles.
After I heard about what happened I reminded myself of the prophecy that mentioned 4 heads of state dying within one week from each other.
Any thoughts?
Only time will tell. Let's keep our eyes open. |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 248
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 10:29 am: |
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"You won't find much of an argument here about the negativity, damage, etc. in the official policies and conduct of Israel. - But just as Meier and Ptaah have been careful to not tar all Americans with the brush that paints our policies, aggression, etc. in the dark light that they deserve, so we must not do the same to others. There are good and bad to be found everywhere. And one thing I can say is that encouraging the good where there is receptivity is invaluable, as it will help it to grow."
- Michael Horn
A balanced perspective that is very well put, and worth restating.
Thanks, Michael
Love is always the way
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Mgilbo1
Member
Post Number: 115
Registered: 09-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 11:54 am: |
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Shawn,
I think you may be giving Obama too much credit. Lets consider the good. He has worked with the Russians to enact new missle treaties and reduce nuclear arms. Stopped the missle shield that Bush wanted throughout Europe that China nor Russia would have approved. Has given America a little bit more credit throughout the world, even though I think that has diminished in the last 6 months a little. Passed universal healthcare that may or may not be good for taxpayers in the future(still questionable on the good) Great things! I love that he has done this.
But what has he not done properly? Let the too big to fail banks/corporations survive so they can continue their derivative trading, meanwhile allowing the taxpayers to pick up the tab. Renewed the Patriot Act which gives our secret services endless possibilities of spying on everyone and anyone in the US and around the world. Has declined to limit banks or enact any type of new regulations that would secure depositors money from the hands of the criminals. He hasn't brought one bank executive up on criminal charges nor does he seem too interested in dismantling the Fed Reserves strangle hold on our money. We are still at war throughout the middle east and now attacking sites in Pakistan, ordered by Obama. Printing and spending taxpayer money at a record pace that not only is devaluing the dollar but every other currency around the world. Doesn't seem to have any limits on govt spending nor the size of govt and the # of employees it employs(Greece comes to mind here). Still allows secret service agencies to send prisoners to secret prisons around the world.
I'm not against Obama but I'm not too sure what mission he was supposed to fulfill during his presidency. Maybe it was nuclear disarmament and if thats the case, he has so far succeeded and WW3 has been postponed. My guess is, thats his mission and its the most important one obviously. But as Billy stated, hes not too good and not too bad which means he's a little better than most other politicians that sit in Washington. We all should remember that as his first term continues on. Hopefully he will tackle some of the things I listed in the next couple years.
Mark Gilbo
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Nguyen
Member
Post Number: 7
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 01:11 pm: |
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The head of state Poland die along other military personal, is this the first head of state out of 4 that Billy mention about WWIII, hope this is not it.
This crash seem like it been planned, and how can the most important people in one plane?
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/europe/04/10/poland.president.plane.crash.analysis/index.html?hpt=C2 |
Kingman
Member
Post Number: 798
Registered: 07-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 01:56 pm: |
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As anyone can see now, Ramirez highlights some of the archaic thinking these 'Elders' use with their religious aspects. We are leaving the age of belief, not continuing this weakness.
Anyone is free to choose to FOLLOW along with this spirit dampening path, but I, myself, choose pathways that use logic, not Lords. Mixing the two in anyway just damns it to become illogical in the end.
The Restore America Plan sounds just like so many other Republican proclamations that they use to fool the people. Not here, not now(remember drill here drill now). How about their 'Contract with America' deal, see how well that pile worked out.
In the words of Eddie Murphy, "I'm not gonna fall for no banana in the tailpipe!".
a friend in america
Shawn
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Borthwey
Member
Post Number: 165
Registered: 09-2007
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 04:13 pm: |
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Michael, it happens that I:
- Am not an Israeli.
- Have nothing against Israelis.
- Am aware of Israel’s science and technology merits.
That’s why your post didn’t immediately made sense to me. It’s not a matter of disagreement with what you wrote.
Thanks
David
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Hunter
Member
Post Number: 307
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 09:20 pm: |
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Kingman and Ramirez,
You guys seem to be incredibly paranoid, but in a hypocritical sort of way. Your rights are being trampled on daily by the UNITED STATES corporation, yet you claim a challenge to their operation, which was always under color of law, is treason. I have to LOL, that's so absurd.
The treason was in the de facto U.S. corporation subverting the de jure Constitution. There's a difference between legal and lawful, and the U.S. corporation has never had any lawful authority. If you guys would read some of what I post and watch the videos, you might understand this.
Ramirez, voting is not the solution. If voting worked, we wouldn't be in this mess. Voting would only be legitimate if legislation was passed by a unanimous vote of all people - which is why the Plejaren do it that way. They understand that the majority has no right to control a minority - and the smallest minority is the individual. But in our present system, with the vote buying and the voter machine fraud, it's worthless.
And Shawn, you say you voted for Obama, well then you voted for another Bush, because that's all Obama is. He's increased troops in Afghanistan and is continuing both wars:
Robert Fisk : Obama will be worse than Bush
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DIO4T-OjGU&playnext_from=TL&videos=tudGvHjhTBA
Hopefully, the Restore America plan will be successful and this fool will have his power taken away. |
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