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Badr
Moderator
Post Number: 520
Registered: 12-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, March 14, 2010 - 12:31 pm: | 
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Hi Mahigitam,
There is a thread for discussing the contact notes, instead of writing your questions all over the forum.
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/8872.html?1266666266
Peace |
Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 186
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 03:51 pm: |
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Since this does concern Billy, I thought I'd move this question here to the Mucilaginous section. Hopefully Dyson is ready for this now:
Dyson,
Since we're all about the harsh language of truth here, why do you continue to maintain that Meier is effectively lying to us all regarding: the crop circles not being of ET origin, his emphatic declarations that the PoZ is a hoax, and his comments about other conspiracies with which you clearly disagree, etc.?
Since he's creating a record for these times, and it seems to be a mighty truthful and consistent one, what does it serve him/us to suddenly go cryptic, or even to outright disinform about such specific - repeatedly asked - questions?
When I was with Billy and Christian several years ago and personally asked the question about the PoZ, he took less than a millisecond to respond about the nature and source of the hoax. So either he was telling the truth, or so afraid that the Israelis were going to descend on the center that he had a lie well prepared to protect from such an invasion.
Somehow I don't buy the latter.
My point is that you are still giving what he has clearly stated the old wink-wink, nudge-nudge and effectively calling him a...liar.
We certainly don't have to accept anything/everything he says as the truth. But so far I am unfamiliar with any evidence showing that he has chosen to lie, to actually repeatedly, emphatically lie about things, instead of issuing his quite familiar responses to the effect of, "I don't know", "Figure it out yourselves", etc.
I think it's time that you either come right out and say that he's lying, and explain how you know (not believe) that to be true and how your knowledge of the truthfulness of these conspiracies trumps his, or maybe admit that you are the one still holding on firmly to unsubstantiated information.
Whichever the case may be, since this issue colors your own thinking about a few things, since you are holding it as inner truth to which the rest of us are either unknowing or willfully blind, it's long past high time to clean it up. |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 1220
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 04:07 pm: |
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Dyson & Michael,
A great hush falls on the crowd; all are turning blue holding a breath.
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~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 187
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 04:13 pm: |
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J_rod7,
Well it's definitely time to do some CPR and breathe some life into this puppy, or bury it in an anonymous grave. |
J_rod7
Member
Post Number: 1221
Registered: 10-2007
| | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 06:03 pm: |
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Puppies grow into dogs. We hope they like children.
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~~ TRUTH finds WISDOM finds LOVE finds PEACE -- Find What You Seek ~ Rod
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Gaiaguysnet
Member
Post Number: 1073
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 06:20 pm: |
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Dear Michael,
I've got about 5000 (!) words coming onto the forum, in a major and (hopefully) final reply to your publicly stated concerns about me and my thinking, as soon as I finish the urgent translation of the 4%* (?) CO2 thing, also as a result of one of your initiatives, and can catch my breath.
I've had unprecedented demands made on my time this week. I'll be away again all day tomorrow. Hang loose.
"Blessed is he who has learnt to wait joyously." (OM)
Cheers!
Dyson
*How did the "4%" figure arise?? |
Markcampbell
Member
Post Number: 422
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 10:10 pm: |
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Dyson ;
Could you edit it down to 3000 words please ?
When this is made into a motion picture I don't want to miss this part when I go to the restroom .
Rod , would you please supply your source of information regarding your claim that puppies turn into dogs ?
salome arkadas |
Johnnybalmain
Member
Post Number: 110
Registered: 11-2007
| | Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 07:08 pm: |
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Sorry I just cannot stop laughing, I nearly nearly fell of my lounge.
Peace John |
Thomas
Member
Post Number: 876
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, March 26, 2010 - 11:05 pm: |
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TO THE MODERATORS:
I would like to make a serious request that can only do good for the case as far as shedding light on the actual truth. To be clear, I am biased because I believe the case to be authentic. However as one of the moderators who knows me personally can attest, I sometimes have moments of doubt about the case. This is normal since I am not in a position to verify many of the facts myself.
What I propose is opening a thread on this forum, with strict focus on the evidence of the case, both for and against. This would not be an opinion based section nor a skeptics' corner, but more of a place to present evidence for, and especially against, the case. The reason I say especially AGAINST the case is because there is a real lack on the web of discussions by open minded but rational people about the facts which bring doubt to the case's authenticity. For example, there have been predictions, not prophecies only, which have not come to pass. There is also factual information of other sorts that also causes one to doubt.
From my experience, Mr Meier always clarifies these gray areas admirably and I wanted to know the truth, whatever it might be. So I am strongly urging, and even pleading that you, the moderators, open a thread on strictly this topic alone. It might be well placed under GENERAL or under THE MISSION as headings.
I think that this will serve to 1) forward the mission, 2) debunk the naysayers who aren't ready to discuss the facts without their bias tainting the facts to the point of distorting them, and 3) provide a place for those newly introduced to the case to see the truth and the facts presented, even in those instances which at first appear to show the case as false.
Thanks for listening and hopefully thanks in advance for starting the thread :-)
Thomas
patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1962
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 02:29 am: |
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Hi Thomas,
While I can only offer my own opinion on this, and I haven't discussed this with the other moderators, I don't really see any value/need in creating a new topic. To me, this entire forum in some sense is being used to discuss the validity of the case broken down into various topics. There is no shortage of websites offering "evidence" extracted from the writings of Billy and the Plejarens, as well as various experiences of people attesting to their own truth about the case. While again, I can only speak for myself, I tend to think most people who participate in this forum have come to some sort of conclusion that there may be some truth to what is being presented and want to find out more about it versus still falling into the skeptical category.
If the other moderators want to offer their opinion on this, of course they are welcome to as well.
Scott |
Sitkaa
Member
Post Number: 232
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 03:28 am: |
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I am not so sure further evidence would completely convince that the Plejarens are who they say they are any more than what has already been presented. Short of actually traveling to their planet and meeting people, I still have doubts since all the evidence I have is third-party. I am just honing my reasoning (such as it is) and judgment on the matter the best I can, going with what makes the most common sense to me.
Love is always the way
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Thomas
Member
Post Number: 877
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 04:56 am: |
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I respect your opinion but it seems shortsighted :-l
patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1963
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 09:48 am: |
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Thomas,
I have to ask how would a new topic be any different than any other topic? From my experience it seems no matter how well intentioned a topic may be, eventually people start straying away from the original idea, and then it becomes a run away thread. You mentioned "there have been predictions, not prophecies only, which have not come to pass". Why not post your conclusions/doubts etc. into the Phrophecies/Predictions topic area. This would seem a logical place to post your statements backed with factual information. I think I understand your pangs of uncertainty, but I think we all have to prove or disprove all of this to ourselves in our own manner which makes sense.
Regards
Scott |
Christian
Moderator
Post Number: 201
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 11:57 am: |
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Hi Thomas,
FIGU Switzerland and Billy, as well as the Plejaren, are not willing to lead (and support) any further discussion about proof because it makes no sense at all. There is plenty of proof available since the seventies about the authenticity of the Billy Meier Case and the existence of the Plejaren people and their ships etc. etc. We will not continue to support any discussions about whether or not the photos, the footage, the audio recordings or the metal samples have been faked or not. They haven't (at least not by Billy).
What really matters now, and into the future, is the spiritual teachings, and everybody who reads Billy's books (in German) with an open mind will inevitably find the truth within himself.
And a disappointing information: Proof does not flow into a person like through a funnel, but it must be worked out through hard labour (of the mind).
After all, having doubts has its positive aspects, because it leaves the door open to the path of truth, something which is not possible to the believers (at least as long as they want to believe. Btw: "I want to believe" is one of silliest sentences ever published. |
Thomas
Member
Post Number: 879
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 12:25 pm: |
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Hi Scott, I understand your view but I wasn't thinking just of myself. There are many open minded people that can and surely are run off by contradictions in the info supplied. As for predictions and prophecies, that was only one of other examples. As you know, sometimes the appropriate section is locked on this forum so your suggestion would not always work. In addition, the info gets spread all over. On a different note, it isn't your fault that people don't follow the rules here and post where appropriate. It does make moderating this board a chore I would think :-)
Hi Christian, I would definitely disagree with certain things you mentioned but I will obviously not be able to change your mind nor the rest of FIGU's so I won't try. One thing to think of though for you when you say that proof must be worked for: while sometimes this is true, that isn't always the case. In order to prove the sun is shining, one must only look upward on a clear day :-)
Take care everyone and I withdraw my request...
patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com
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Darren
Member
Post Number: 215
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 05:36 pm: |
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You make no sense to me Thomas. Once I made my mind up that the case is true (after sorting thru all the UFO info and proof) I never felt the need to start questioning the proof again - What for when I already KNOW that the case is TRUE??? |
Thomas
Member
Post Number: 880
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 05:56 pm: |
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well darren i do not KNOW that it is true though i lean toward that and the= post wasnt directed to you in the first place :-)
patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com
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Darren
Member
Post Number: 216
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, March 27, 2010 - 11:59 pm: |
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ok, sorry for that Thomas!  |
Mahigitam
Member
Post Number: 159
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2010 - 11:08 am: |
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BIlly mentioned about the workings of black holes in Existing Life in the Universe (Existentes Leben im Universum),1978...
"Depending on the mass that remains from exploded stars, or stars which have collapsed in on themselves, a "ripper" - a so called black hole - may form, or a so-called white dwarf, which is named neutron star by Earth scientists...."
Did he mention anywhere about our center of milky way galaxy being a black hole?
BUt he indirectly mentioned, "black hole", "dark holes spiral arm" in here
FIGU-BULLETIN No. 9 and
Contact Report 241, February 3, 1992
http://www.theyfly.com/PDF/NewCorroboration.pdf
Until you know yourself, just shut your mouth - mahigitam..
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Thomas
Member
Post Number: 894
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 07, 2010 - 10:28 pm: |
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Yes, they said there is a black hole at the center of each galaxy.=A0 I don= 't recall the contact number but it was stated clearly.
patricksdadinfrance@yahoo.com
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1737
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 12:52 am: |
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Hi Mahigitam.....
Contact 249
A talk between Ptaah, an IHWH from the Pleiades/Plejares, and 'Billy' Eduard
A. Meier, Switzerland
Monday, June 13th, 1994, 11:36 p.m.
Excerpt:
By eliminating the error in pi, and correcting future computations based on
pi, scientists and their amazing, highly developed technology will have the
capability to make unimaginable energies accessible to the people of Earth.
This will be accomplished through the terrestrials' diversion and utilization
of energies from Black Holes from within the Milky Way system. Scientists at
this time, though, will still be unable to travel to the center of our galaxy
to tap the existing Black Hole in that region. Still, it will be unnecessary
to go to the center of our galaxy, at least at that particular time, for
nearby objects will produce sufficient energy to serve Earth's needs...
[Further down, explains alternative energy resources, possibilities....]
Edward. |
Mahigitam
Member
Post Number: 167
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, April 10, 2010 - 10:22 pm: |
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hi Edward...its not contact 249 but contact 251, Friday, February 3, 1995, 12:01 a.m.
So Billy mentioned center of milkyway being a black hole in 1995...Has anybody read "Existing Life in the Universe" (Existentes Leben im Universum), he comes close to explaining black holes and stuff...i wonder he would mentioned milkyway center being black hole in that book...
Until you know yourself, just shut your mouth - mahigitam..
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 1745
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, April 11, 2010 - 01:27 am: |
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Hi Mahigitam....
Yes, very true.
I scrolled upward too far.....
Edward. |
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