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Phenix
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Post Number: 343
Registered: 07-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 - 10:41 am: | 
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Peace in wisdom be with you,
Zhila, Michael, Mark Campbell, Mgilbo1, Kingman,..., regarding the 'contribution' of professor Hawking in the 'alien debate':
With all respect for the tremendous knowledge and scientific achievements of Mr. Hawking, i also think, that his views on this one are rather limited, 'contracted', locally anthropocentric. id est, Earthbound. Pure, rigid determinism.
Although the scenario he drew, reflects the historical course of events in most of cases of past contacts between earthly civilizations and although the same often happened also as a result of 'alien' contacts/activities on Earth (as taught by Billy and the Plejaren in 'Ancient Earth History') and elsewhere in the vastness of the universe and even taking into consideration the information and logical conclusion, that not all human and/or other forms of intelligent life are peaceful (a warning from Billy and the Plejaren), this scientist solely projected the worst that could happen, while ignoring/denying evolution and the historical perspective: things do not always stand still; is it not of all necessity, that the past necessarily determines the future - and even on Earth and between Earthlings alone, it is almost inconceivable, that a contact between our different civilizations (or, hypothetically, with a given newly discovered, hidden civilization/society on Earth) today or in the future would be such, that "the outcome would be much as when Columbus landed in America, which didn't turn out well for the Native Americans"
Columbus landed in America, where Native Americans lived/live; thus the Aliens are Columbus and we, Earth humanity, are the Native Americans.
I then wonder, how we would manage that 'avoiding contact with them', as suggested by this otherwise bright mind:
Should we erase all traces of our existence and hide in deep caves - with the hope, that these Aliens didn't spot us, before heading to Earth, and that their 'search and destroy' devices won't detect us??!!
Truly amazing.
On another note
An interesting development is infolding in the battle against global warming - courtesy of the 'Care2' community:
A PRAYER CHAIN FOR MOTHER EARTH - Rupert Murdock of Fox News to join the Global Warming Camp
http://sen4earth.org/articles/2010/04/17/a-prayer-chain-for-mother-earth/
Briefly: "Rupert Murdoch, the multi-billionaire libertarian whose News Corp is the world’s second largest media conglomerate and owns Fox News, has announced that he has been persuaded by an Al Gore presentation that Global Warming is a serious threat to mankind.
We don’t think it a green-washing ploy, as Murdoch has directed the investment of many millions to get the senior executives of his many corporations trained in the facts, and has committed News Corp to achieve a neutral carbon footprint in a short period of time.
Fox News has routinely ridiculed global warming and promoted the Tea Party, and Sara Palin who has called global warming “snake-oil
science”.
Murdoch said that Fox News should not be endorsing the Tea Party.
News Corp executives have since said that News Corp will not impose its will on Fox News editorial decision-making. However, upon learning Hannity was going to broadcast his Fox News program from a Tea Party rally in Ohio last week, News Corp executives intervened, cancelling Hannity’s broadcast from Ohio and ordering him back to New York on short notice [...] "
May reason and wisdom prevail.
Salome. |
Imaginosdesdinova
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Post Number: 7
Registered: 02-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, April 27, 2010 - 11:57 am: |
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Earthlings are lucky to been visiting by aliens who are at much more spiritual development level... Native Americans didn't been so lucky.
The comparison is good if you ignore the spiritual component, like Hawking did.
Peace!
Ervin
I'm a truth addict... ahhh Sh!t I got a head rush!
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Hunter
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Post Number: 353
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 - 02:44 pm: |
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Great article on Hawking's alien comments:
The Alien Menace! We're ready for it
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2010/04/25/the-alien-menace
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident" ~ Schopenhauer
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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 1170
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, April 28, 2010 - 08:02 pm: |
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Hi all,
Anyone who is halfway familiar with Billy's untranslated work will surely know that, in his view, scientists fare no better than other professionals in general, and Hawkins is a tragic example of the classic "Fachidiot" (specialist-idiot) who Billy holds in such low regard and sees as responsible for a lot of the customary catastrophes, experienced by developing or degenerating planetary societies, which are brought about by the unbridled arrogance of these egocentric, pig-ignorant, would-be gods.
Hawkins' views are straight party-line, directly from the half-century old Brookings report.
"Anthropological files contain many examples of societies, sure of their place in the universe, which have disintegrated when they have had to associate with previously unfamiliar societies espousing different ideas and different life ways; others that survived such an experience usually did so by paying the price of changes in values and attitudes and behavior."
p. 216 - THE BROOKINGS INSTITUTION - Final Report
“Proposed Studies on the Implications of Peaceful Space Activities for Human Affairs” (1960)
Yeah. " ... changes in values and attitudes and behavior." I like that bit. Anyone here watch TV news? I reckon any change would have to be an improvement.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/brookings.pdf
But times are changing FAST. Imagine my shock, while waiting for my dentist yesterday, to see a double-page aerial photograph of a huge and complex Swiss crop circle in the staid National Geographic magazine (Nov. 2009).
"Switzerland—Curiosity seekers stroll inside a crop circle etched in a Corcelles-près-Payerne wheat field in 2007. More than 200 feet in diameter, the pattern was spied by a Swiss military pilot flying over the Broye region."
http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/visions-of-earth/visions-earth-2009
(4th thumbnail from the left)
Ridicule Factor? ZERO!
:-O
(Signs and wonders!)
Cheers!
Dyson |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 259
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 02:08 pm: |
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Dear Dyson,
The following was just received today from Christian. In light of His and Billy's comments, may I request something LESS than 5,000 words (4,876 okay?) when you bring me up on my gullibility, lack of critical thinking, "blind acceptance", etc.?
Hi Michael and Norm,
Last night I was finally able to talk with Billy about the issue mentioned below. His answers are very clear and absolutely unambiguous:
The PoZ are a falsification to bring the Jews into disrepute and to sow hatred against them. The book is a pure and blatant falsification. There is no need to protect FIGU or its members from anyone by stating this. A falsification remains a falsification, even if there are people around who would see it the other way round.
Regarding the crop circles, Billy once more confirmed that it is the truth that no extraterrestrial persons are involved in the making of the many so-called crop circles. Contrary to what the many "conspiracy-prone" (my expression) people and the "I-want-to-believe-crop-circle-pseudo-researchers" (my expression as well) want to believe or "believe to know" (what a contradiction, and another expression by me). You see, nowadays we have to be very clear if an expression is made by Billy or me. :-)
To disclose information in order to keep the Plejaren from leaving the Earth and Billy for good is really far-fetched and built on some kind of thinking that not founded 100 percent in reality, to say it mildly. :-) In other words: wishful thinking.
Btw: Billy also told me that about one week ago he saw a film in TV where about 6 persons designed a very intricate pattern on the computer and then, during one night (between sunset and sunrise, and with the farmer's permission) they applied the pattern into the cornfield.
Regarding peculiar effects that have been found in the corn fields and on the plants: For clever people with a scientific background it is not a problem to evoke all kinds of effects in plants and on the ground with different kinds of chemicals and radiation devices etc. And another comment by me: It could very well be that there are some disguised wolves among the crop-circle researchers who are investigating/researching crop circles they have made themselves.
Well, I stick to the Plejaren's explanation that the creative energies that are flowing throughout the universe play a role in the entire issue (being the sole "extraterrestrial" influence). And these energies and forces or impulses can be, and are used and drawn off etc. for artistic and creative works etc.
Conclusion: 1) The PoZ are a slanderous concoction. 2) The crop circles are made by terrestrial human beings.
Salome,
Christian
PS: Billy never said that all crop circles are or have been made with poles and a string (just the ones he observed during the making. Of course there are various feasible ways to press down the stalks/stems. |
Memo00
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Post Number: 421
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 02:47 pm: |
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hello
If i remember correctly Billy has also mentioned that we should be careful about having contact with other civilizations and that it will come the time when we will have to defend against aggressions from ET´s. Event though outside our globe MOST humans may be much more friendly than here, Billy has said that one should be careful and that there exist for example races that could enslave persons and keep them in a cage as animals or like in a zoo.
Also it was mentioned for example that sending the Voyager space probes to outer space including information from our planet and it inhabitants was incredibly irresponsible and it could cause our extinction if certain ET´s were to receive this information (if my memory doesn´t fail the Sirius "creator-overlords").
So in a way Mr. Hawking is not wrong...
take care |
Gib_niner
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Post Number: 108
Registered: 06-2006
| | Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 04:49 pm: |
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hey memo00,
This actually came up in one of the news reports on it - they were joking about how it may not have been a good idea after all - sending out that data.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n_7wLeJ10Jo&feature=related
Little do they know how right they are!
Also just going back to the point about the specialist idiots - there ought to be a pre-requisite (in an ideal world only i suppose) for these science bigwigs to have high degree of expertise in at least 3 or 4 separate areas - before they are given the stage to deliver these big pronouncements such that media outlets are hanging on every word of it - like it was gospel or something - Recently was watching a doc. on Lovelock and Gaia theory etc. - and essentially one of the things with him was that he had expertise in quite many, several different areas - so therefore in a much better position to see the whole picture - to take a wider appraisal of everything rather than being lensed into one particular way of looking at things. Also he came up with the idea of Gaia initially as a result of MArs observations and thus accurately determining that it probably had little or no atmosphere based on those observations. So extra brownie pts one would say for thinking out of the box on this respect - ie being able to see the wider picture, & relationships. Also he had to endure a very miserable year trying to devise a computer generated model/simulation that would serve to counteract the very severe, utterly trouncing critique of his theory - made by one of the specialist-idiots that was around at that time. But he succeeded in the end with that.
Such a shame that he pushes Nuclear though. OVer and over of late i am reading in newspapers that nuclear is now the way to go. Bit soul destroying is this planet at times.
Also, on the current events side of things, prob most on this forum are well past the saucer spotting stage, nevertheless nice catch here i think of a disk in the whereabouts of the recent icelandic volcano. Seems perhaps to be a good one in the sense of maybe a solid structure by virtue of the way that the light is being well reflected.
or maybe at least.
http://www.disclose.tv/action/viewvideo/42233/UFO_Disc_Volcano_Iceland_31_March_2010/
ok thats all.
Giorraíonn beirt bóthar,
Sean.
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Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 1172
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 05:27 pm: |
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OK! :-)
I guess I should just believe Billy, and not the logically deduced hard scientific evidence of my own, and others, independent research. ;-)
"For clever people with a scientific background it is not a problem to evoke all kinds of effects in plants and on the ground with different kinds of chemicals and radiation devices etc."
Given my background in electrodynamics, and in light of the peer-reviewed scientific literature* which refutes this above claim, I'd be interested to hear from our friend Christian where he got his info.
Likewise, if - hypothetically - I (for instance) make a claim, logically, me maintaining that claim when questioned does not prove that it is true.
Cheers!
Dyson
* http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_09_2_levengood.pdf is just an isolated example
OM, Kanon 20:38 Denn es ist dem Menschen entschwunden die Gesinnung der Bemühung, dass die Wahrheit soll erarbeitet werden durch eigene Kraft des Denkens und Forschens und Erkennens. 39. Also hat er sich gewandelt in der Form zum Irren, dass er nur noch das annehmen will als Wahrheit, das er mit seinen Händen berühren kann, und das er mit seinen Augen sehen kann, und das er mit seinen Ohren hören kann. 40. Es ist dies aber der Weg der Falschheit und des reinen Materiellen, der jeder Bemühung des Selbstdenkens, des Selbstfühlens, des Selbstforschens, des Selbstsuchens und der Selbsterkennung jeglicher Lösung und Wahrheit Hohn spricht und spottet. 41. Also ist nicht gegeben dadurch der Weg zur Erforschung der Wahrheit und der Findung der Wahrheit, weshalb durch den JHWH und durch den Propheten keine Zeichen oder nur sehr sparsam Zeichen gegeben sein sollen, die da von der Wahrheit zeugend sind. 42. Gegeben ist das Wort der Wahrheit, und dieses ist genügsam vollauf, um die Lehren der Wahrheit zu offenbaren für jene, die da sind willig, die Mühsal der Erlernung durch eigene Kraft anzugehen und zu tragen.
The Earth human’s sense of effort towards seeking the truth has disappeared. He has lost the inclination to seek the truth through his inherent power of thinking, searching and recognizing. Therefore he has turned to the erroneous form of thinking, that he will only accept as true that which he can touch with his hands and that which he can see with his eyes and that which he can hear with his ears. But this is the false, purely material way, which mocks and scorns any effort of self-thinking, self-feeling, self-searching, self-seeking and self-recognition for every solution and truth. Therefore through this, the way to the searching for the truth, and the finding of the truth, is not provided. And so, through the JHWH and the Prophet, no signs, or only sparse signs, should be given, that testify to the truth. The word of truth is given, and this is wholly sufficient to reveal the teaching of the truth for any who are willing to make and to bear the effort of learning through their own power. |
Stephen_moore
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Post Number: 263
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 07:22 pm: |
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Hi All,
Before I found Eduard and FIGU I was interested in Crop Circles. My only interest was finding out if UFO's or ET's was making them. I wasnt really concerned with the many things said about the designs, I just was searching for evidence or some truth as to if we are being visited by "ET's" after 2 close encounters of my own.
But now I dont really care who is making Crop Circles. This in not a poke at Dyson, who clearly has a much bigger interest in Crop Circles.
For me it makes no difference whether humans make them or ET's. The evidence from the Meier case puts across irreproducible evidence of UFO's and "ET's" that it doesnt matter who makes Crop Circles.
Farmers can get bribed by secret services to let them on their land and keep their mouths shut as to who made them and how many nights it may of took. Money talks for some persons.
There is no 100% proof of ET's making Crop Circles. I have not seen a genuine 100% tested and found to be real photo or film footage of a UFO making a Crop Circle. So until I do. I tend to say Meier is right.
Can anyone prove Meier wrong? 100% without a doubt?
Salome
Website addresses - www.ufofacts.co.cc - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 1979
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 04:07 am: |
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My question would be, why would persons go to the trouble of creating crop circles? Since the individuals involved are not receiving credit for their creations, except in possibly fooling people, what is being gained? Some type of distraction? Many people do not really care or even give crop circles a second glance, so ultimately what has been accomplished? |
Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 1175
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, April 29, 2010 - 10:36 pm: |
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Edward
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Post Number: 1774
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 01:46 am: |
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Hi Michael....
Yes, have heard his take on what you posted. He mentioned it once in a
documentary on one of the Science Channels, and some others.
Well, I am not really that attracted to his thoughts and thinking, or
whatever.
He is too Over Exposed, to me....(as I once mentioned here in the past....;
just like Einstein was with his Unfinished works...)
Edward. |
Edward
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Post Number: 1775
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 01:53 am: |
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Hi Michael....
Thank you, for sharing Christian's mail with us all!
That would stick...just like fly paper....
Edward. |
Hector
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Post Number: 581
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 04:54 am: |
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Hi Dyson, the pure spirit form plane "Arahat Athersata" gives advice to "pure materiell-intellektuell thinkers", "doubters" and "skeptics" that do not understand certain Lessons imparted by prophets, Ischwisch's, truth announcers or pure spirit levels....Such advice won't please many readers....but it will help many others too..Arahat Athersata page 74. My translation may contain errors.
Dies kann nur dadurch ausgeschaltet warden, indem die Jünger die Lehre der Wahrheitskünder erfassen und in sich aufnehmen, ohne nach den ihnen sowieso unverständlichen Ursachen der Wahrheit zu forschen.
This (Geisteslehre-related questions, doubts, confusion) can only be switched off if disciples and followers accept or take the prophets and truth announcers' teaching in themselves, without researching those to them ununderstandable sources of the truth.
Dadurch erlangen sie im Laufe der Zeit enormes geistiges Wissen mit der daraus resultierenden Fähigkeit, die dann in Erscheinung tretenden Fragen durch die Weisheit ihres eigenen Bewusstseins zu lösen.
Thereby they attain in the course of time enormous geistig (spiritual) knowledge, also attaining the ability to let wisdom gathered by their consciousness solve the previously ununderstandable and unsolvable questions/doubts/confusion.
I tried to explain this advice given by pure spirit forms one month ago: The spirit teaching way of thinking = "If my perception of reality does not match Billy/Plejaren/Arahat Athersata's statements, then I will put what I do not/can not understand in quarantine, until my perception of reality grows and evolves.
http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/11020.html#POST48504
Saalome. |
Creational
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Post Number: 403
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 05:47 am: |
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Dear All,
I like to add one more comment regarding the very important recent interview of Mr. Hawkins and possibility of ETs; however, I have not read the entire interview regarding this issue. (My comments are based on the available recent posts.)
Fanaticism or dogma, Defined as the strong holding of beliefs, is a mental disease that is not limited to religion or politics.
Unfortunately, it is contagiously widespread where it has absolutely no logical place to do so, and that is within our present scientific realm.
The reason for such a sad disloyalty to true science which hinders the progress of balanced and unbiased knowledge is, and always will be to gain transitory crowns and social authority leading to control of humanity. (It is astonishing how we tend to judge others according to our own thoughts.)
This is going to be the rule rather than the exception as long as scientific minds allow such a disabling disease in the realm of their consciousness in the first place.
Thus, no matter how technically advanced we become, the key to our freedom from all these psychological ailments is advancement in spirituality/consciousness.
Additionally, partial analysis of different probable encounters, and creating only the worst case scenario (Subliminally creating War of the Worlds, all over again!), in a purely hypothetical theorem from a self reflecting window without considering other possibilities, seems to me more like a premeditated set up rather than honest science.
It is true that in some form or another, Billy has revealed the possibility of bad ETs and even warned against the attempt to communicate. But, unlike our praised scientist, Billy has also entertained us with the other side of the coin being the bright and peaceful ETs as well. That is probably one of the most rational and commonsense reason that leads us to realization of the wholesomeness Truth represented by Billy. I think, as a group of likeminded humans, we are tired of all these partial truth out there; whether they are spread intentionally or trough ignorance.
With all due respect to our most celebrated scientist, Mr. Hawkins, I think that his comments are either intentionally or idealistically painting a horrifying picture that may be partially true, while conveniently leaving out other, less severe possibilities.
Keep in mind that there are only a handful of us here on Earth with this thirst for the whole truth. But for the lay person, hearing these comments are enough grounds to create fear based religious type disabling helplessness. I think this may be the underlying purpose of such press release. Otherwise, I can’t help to wonder; why even bother?
Love,
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Bianca
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Post Number: 78
Registered: 03-2009
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 06:06 am: |
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There are many answers to your questions and we will never be sure but if I think out loud, I would say that the D.O. is holding both ends of the stick. By that I mean that the secret services of israel= Mossad and also others which are not so publicly known, the US CIA and the MI5 and others too of course, are not only controlling the social strings around the world but they also want to show their other side. Outwardly, they supposedly are doing 'good', as for example the Tobacco companies who also fund the Quit programs, they are spreading little 'hints' of a possibility that indeed other humans may exist in the vastness of our universe, not just us earthlings, so when the time comes all these hints can be bundled into one big case of ET invading earth and we will have a showdown, but as we know, these will be the military and government puppets. Its like watching movies with sci-fi scenarios that are aimed at those who can't see beyond the facade of hype and gloss. But then, others will call these "conspiracies' and I am sure there are plenty of them on the net and in society too, especially put out by the D.O. themselves to sew some confusion, just as is happening with the scientific community whereby the media plays the vital role of further confusion. |
Hector
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Post Number: 582
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 07:00 am: |
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Hi Zhila great post of yours.... For me, all this debate around ET intervention on earth, created and generated by Mr Stephen Hawking, is quite beneficial for the Mission. People who one week ago had never thought about alien intervention, now has been forced to share his opinion with others. Debate, discussion, controversy has been generated, that's equal to consciousness work. From working hard with our consciusness many positive values result. It doesnt matter if each individual makes little or astonishing progress in relation to discover the truth about extraterrestrial life. Just for a week, Hawking has manage to redirect the spotlight from pure trivial and earthly affairs like politics, economy, entertainment etc etc to more important topics, like extraterrestrial life. That's great. Thank you Mr Hawking, I don't care whether you did this consciously or unconsciously. But you have generated a lot of important and invigorating debate. In yahoo.com alone, 17533 comments have been written about Hawkings statements.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20100425/sc_afp/scienceastronomyextraterrestrialhawking
Read the comments & responses of the people. You will learn a lot of things from examining and pondering them. While most of the comments are trivial, some of them are quite close to the truth, or let's say the truth as perceived by Billy, the Plejaren and Figu. |
Gaiaguysnet
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Post Number: 1176
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 04:26 pm: |
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Dear all,
I found an interesting article on BBC news this morning.
"A nasal spray can make men more in tune with other people's feelings, say a team of German and UK researchers.
They found that inhaling the "cuddle hormone" oxytocin made men just as empathetic as women."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/8653500.stm
Wow! " ... men just as empathetic as women."
That'll be the day! :-(
Now if we can only figure out a method of delivering huge quantities of this "cuddle hormone" into the upper atmosphere*. Perhaps commercial jetliners could be fitted with tanks of oxytocin? Perhaps the chemical could simply be fed into the turbojet's exhausts in such a way that this hormone could be suffused into the air we all (have to) breathe? Aside from the relatively insignificant matter of inducing premature births in that tiny percentage of women who had the tough luck to be late in their pregnancy, it seems like a great way of dealing with the planet's ongoing plague of violence, not to mention Earth's rampant intitutionalised paedophilia.
I know that this idea of mine sounds pretty "out there", and nobody would think that such a thing was even remotely possible, but there is actually intriguing scientific evidence to the contrary.
Search: "United States Patent 5,003,186"
Cheers!
Dyson
*I'm only joking. |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 462
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 06:59 pm: |
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Hi Dyson,
"Now if we can only figure out a method of delivering huge quantities of this "cuddle hormone" into the upper atmosphere*"
Chemtrails ...... new 2010 formula. Woodstock all over.
Very nice cartoon featuring Little Grey with stomping board
Cheers.
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Creational
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Post Number: 404
Registered: 09-2008
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 10:03 pm: |
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Well my dear Hector, as a hard working student of the material, You too have just entertained us with the other side of the coin which is the eventual positive effect of the negative press.
Love,
Zhila
Zhila,
Thank you Billy.
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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 260
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Friday, April 30, 2010 - 10:36 pm: |
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Dyson,
I want to suggest a couple of things. You quote the Meier material when you want to make a point and instruct us with something authored by Meier. Now, when Meier unambiguously, unequivocally states that what he said is what he meant, that there's no double meaning, hidden meaning, obfuscation, etc., perhaps you should try to figure out how what he's saying could just be the truth.
For instance, with the crop circles, have we forgotten that Meier has clearly stated that the CIA (among others) have technologies that we could only dream of? Is it not possible then to put aside your...belief, i.e. that Meier and the Plejaren are plainly "lying", etc. and think about HOW it just may be possible for people in possession of some advanced technology to accomplish these effects?
And can you possibly accept that the VERY "smart", evilly intended people who put in a lot of time, energy and mental horsepower to fabricate the PoZ, was simply a different conspiratorial group doing it than you believe to be the case, i.e. the one that Meier plainly and clearly stated it was? You do accept that there are people who've done some very horrific things, and are still doing them to this day. But I think that part of your problem was that you couldn't prove it, hence your legal situation.
Regarding the last sentence of the paragraph you quoted, "The word of truth is given, and this is wholly sufficient to reveal the teaching of the truth for any who are willing to make and to bear the effort of learning through their own power." Could the word of truth then have been - again - given by Meier and, as I asked above, can you possibly recognize and accept it? |
Earthling
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Post Number: 431
Registered: 05-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 03:51 am: |
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Sorry, but who really gives a $%^& about crop circles and UFO's, for that matter. There is a battle between (and a battlefield for) those who believe and those who don't & don't want to believe. Why must one side try to bring the other over to their side.
And some of us have invested so much time, energy, blood, sweat, tears, and finances, in our points of view, that we can't just let them go; taking the loss and the lesson and moving on to more important matters - the Spiritual Teaching and fulfilling our daily tasks.
The rest is all a diversion and entertainment, as far as I'm concerned.
Just throwing out my two cents. |
Elreyjr
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Post Number: 136
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, May 01, 2010 - 05:11 am: |
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Greetings,
To Earthling, I do not care about crop circles and the UFO controversy.
Oh, how I yearn for the Spiritual Teaching, "dogmatic" I may become.
Tomorrow comes the English version. So be it.
Jun
My will be done |
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