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    Memo00 Member Post Number: 431 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Borthwey by travelling to the past you don´t necesarily become part of it, in certain forms of time travel you are only witness of it and cannot interact with it because you stay in a different dimension (in a sort of "bubble"). In other forms of time travel in which you can really "be" there more than "becoming" part of history it could be said that you are fulfilling your destiny, it is already a fact that you will travel to that time because it has already happened. ............................. Norm, we can know that we are in the present because we can do anything and change anything, we are making history and shaping the future. | ||
Norm Member Post Number: 1383 Registered: 02-2000 |
Thats my point. I'm not sure. For all we know could we be in the Ps past? But in our present. My Website | ||
Indi Moderator Post Number: 509 Registered: 06-2006 |
Memo's post reminded me of a movie I may have mentioned on this forum before called 'Grand Tour - Disaster in Time' starring Jeff Daniels from 2002. Some of you may enjoy the idea put forward in this film, as when trying to understand time travel from reading Billy's accounts and other authors efforts, it can become quite confusing. Norm, your question is one of philosophy's many questions. I remember when doing a subject at Uni called 'The philosophy of Reality', which fascinated me so much as a teen that I studied as much philosophy as I could. How do we know that what we are seeing is real, or the same reality another sees etc....... it can be mind boggling, but it opens up the area of quantum physics as well. Robyn | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 433 Registered: 03-2004 |
hi again Norm it is all relative, the present is where you are. We are the past for those who come from the future, they can know exactly how it all will happen but we don´t because it is happening now. take care | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 195 Registered: 09-2007 |
Memo00, With the “bubble” possibility you mention, travelling to the past would probably not be the best description. You would just be witnessing it, as in a sort of remote viewing. When you physically travel to the past you interfering with it, and changing it according to your actions. But at the same time, you are fulfilling history. This is not unlike what happens in the present. Whatever you do, you are fulfilling your “destiny”*. You have free will but whatever you do is a part of the continuum of time which if viewed from the outside, could be said to be pre-determined. *Destiny in the sense of what actually happens, not in the sense of what could happen (there are references in the contact notes to “unfulfilled destinies”, a notion which only makes sense if we use the word “destiny” to mean something that is possible (or would have been meant by Creation to be possible) but may or not be chosen or come to happen due to several circumstances). | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 434 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi again Borthwey nothing from the past can be changed, and nothing means nothing, which means that you can only travel to the past (in the way in which you can really "be" there) if you were already in it when it happened. Thats how i understand it. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 196 Registered: 09-2007 |
Hi Memo00 You are correct in your understanding. I did not mean that one can change what has already passed. Those interferences and changes which I have mentioned would already have occurred before the time traveler undertook his journey, even if for him they hadn’t yet. | ||
Borthwey Member Post Number: 197 Registered: 09-2007 |
The past can't be changed. But the present can't be changed either, and neither can the future. All that has happened and will ever happen is just the way it is and it can't be in no other way. Just like Edward has put it, the totality of time is like a huge roll of film and no part of it can be replaced. There exist though, other “rolls of film” which may have only slight differences from our own. I think these are called “space-time configurations”. Even the Plejaren don’t know how many of these configurations exist. | ||
Joe Member Post Number: 113 Registered: 11-2008 |
Could someone please, if possible answer the question I had posted earlier? | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 508 Registered: 10-2008 |
Hey Joe ; The dimension door in the Bermuda Triangle no longer exists , but it would be the only dimension door of it's kind . >Billy would have to access it from a Plejar ship , which could take him anywhere on te planet , I suppose . The "Triangle door" was produced by two stars that shone their light at a cross-beam which met underwater , causing the anamoly . The stars have moved out of that pattern for some years now . Mark | ||
Kingman Member Post Number: 819 Registered: 07-2004 |
I remember reading a conversation where it is explained to Billy that off the coast of Japan there was a similar event like the Bermuda Triangle that involved dimensional distortion, and it also has ended its activity. I don't recall if this one was caused by two stars. Wasn't a magnetic rift in the mantle at the location of the Bermuda Triangle also configured in creating the dimensional anomaly? The emanations from the planets core may have been intersecting with the other stars radiations, if I am remembering correctly. Events such as these are probably partially responsible for advanced civilizations in their development of their technologies. a friend in america Shawn | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 589 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi everyone... Being a person who never travels in time... well other than the normal cronological progression... it is my understanding the future can be changed by correct consciousness. The present can possibly be changed as well, for example... by what you choose to point your camera at... as in the celluloid film example as described by Guido. The past, that is... the already exposed film... in this analogy... can NOT be changed. Otherwise we would not have free will and the ability to create our future with our thoughts and consciousness. The idea of meditation was my pleasure to observe one day. My friends and I had just finished cleaning up the Semjase Silver Star Center roadway of debris etc... and some sheep got loose and were defecating all over our recently cleaned road on the way to Billy's residence... We had been working all day and I... for one, was rather angry that the sheep had messed it up... Billy was approached by one of the children who were running all over in pandemonium trying to capture the wayward sheep and he just smiled. He said something to the kid and instantly all the other children put up their arms like a fence and the sheep stopped instantly. Wow. It appeared Billy used the meditation method he writes of by quickly considering his possible reaction to this situation, which BTW I failed miserably at... eh eh... and showed a smile and correct solution to the problem which indicates consciousness of the situation thereby changing the result (the future) to a correct (desired) solution. Of course, this could have been his past experience... he is... after all... a Swiss farmer... If he had prayed to someone (I won't mention any names...) the sheep would get under control and the dung would be cleaned up... he would probably still be experiencing the chaos a half dozen sheep running amuck for several moments and maybe longer... afterwards. What he did instead... was use the power we all have... of directed consciousness for a desired solution. We have the power to find the desired result in a split second rather than to react with the bevy of negative human emotions many people react with in a robot like fashion... This small experience was very revealing to me and I think of it often. It proved that finding a correct solution instantly or taking from past experience can make a situation work out for the better. | ||
Memo00 Member Post Number: 436 Registered: 03-2004 |
Hi Randy we have free will, and what we do (or don´t) is what shapes the future, and still from all the endless possibilities that exist only one can happen and only one will in the end. If the future would not exist now then how could someone from there visit us? Also one can travel to the future as Billy did and from what you see there nothing can be changed once you return to the present (and nothing means nothing). It seems like a paradox and still it isn´t, it seems like we have no free will and yet we have. Life is happening right now, the whole purpose of all is right here right now. It is a mystery. We are like thoughts of an infinite mind, we are its creations and at the same time we are part of it. As one advances and realizes how is that things are one has to accept it and live and strive to do what we were we created for, to learn, to experience, to become knowledgable, to grow in wisdom and love. By the way, thanks for sharing your experience with Billy. Salome | ||
Mahigitam Member Post Number: 231 Registered: 02-2009 |
Taming time travel New work solves paradoxes by making the impossible impossible http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/61301/title/Taming_time_travel "One model, put forth in the early 1990s by Oxford physicist David Deutsch, can allow inconsistencies between the past a traveler remembers and the past he experiences. So a person could remember killing his grandfather without ever having done it. “It has some weird features that don’t square with what we thought time travel might work out as,” Lloyd says. For instance, a bullet-maker would be inordinately more likely to produce a defective bullet if that very bullet was going to be used later to kill a time traveler’s grandfather, or the gun would misfire, or “some little quantum fluctuation has to whisk the bullet away at the last moment,” Lloyd says. In this version of time travel, the grandfather, he says, is “a tough guy to kill.” Without love & compassion, meditation is meaningless - Jiddu Krishnamurthy | ||
Ramirez Member Post Number: 490 Registered: 06-2008 |
Note how a scientific discussion is mixed with negativity. Does someone really need to consider killing or weapons to contemplate the possibilities of time travel. Rather than going back with a weapon couldn't more be accomplished with a medical breakthrough which has the potential to save a life ? Taming time travel .... taming the minds of researchers & scientists obsessed with violence might prove more productive. Cheers. | ||
Lepuniv Member Post Number: 39 Registered: 08-2008 |
Ramirez, This has nothing to do with negativity. It raises a paradox of irreversible acts (performed in the past) linked with the time traveller's history itself. The death of an ancestor is a good example of an irreversible action - having taken place in the past- imposing paradoxal consequences on oneself. There's no issue in imagining visiting someonelse's past. The issue shows up when it deals with oneself's one. To complete a theory which aim is to be general, it must apply to others (no difficulty) and to oneself (paradox in sight!). Paradoxes show limits of theories, problems badly put forward or intellectual impostures. They are good tests. Salome Lepuniv | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 528 Registered: 01-2004 |
he ramirez. i agree with your thoughtfull observation. it seems even "smart" people have serious deficiencies in their thinking. you look at the bigger picture, it is very reassuring that there are inteligent people outside the scientific community, which is generally thought to be the cream of the intelligence crop so to speak, heh heh. | ||
Lepuniv Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 08-2008 |
Peter, Ramirez, I thought I was clear enough. Well, try yourself in the field of Science and see from yourself if it needs brains or not! If it's doddle to sell a mobile phone, it's another thing to manage the eletromagnetic waves to come accross... Most of the time, people take it for granted and tend to think that nobody, no idea are behind any improvement. They just go and buy their new cell phone... Each of us has one's entire life to solve one's own problems and complexes in order to improve onself. Isn't it the goal of life as Billy explained? While taking death and killings in the past as examples of limit cases, nobody actually killed somebody. they're just pure hypothetical cases "on paper"... But they contain a lot of learning and allow to determine the validity of the idea. Regarding scientists as "obsessed with violence" is extreme. What about gangs attacking people on the streets, or some politicians? Are they cute angels? If some scientists are involved in war activities, this isn't the case with the major part of them. Plus, there are huge differences between scientists, engineers and technicians. they're all involved in Science. Scientists are dicoverers. Salome Lepuniv | ||
Peter_brodowski Member Post Number: 529 Registered: 01-2004 |
hey there lepuniv, i can relate to your passion. but i don't mean to challenge your ideas. i simply am saying i know where ramimirez was coming from in regard to the negativity in regards to examples posed by many who often use violent or negative themes to share or explain their ideas. time travel examples being one of the more prominent in that regard. i'm not sure, but something tells me we're starting to stray off topic (a little friendly joke, just incase i am accused of sarcasm  ) | ||
Lepuniv Member Post Number: 41 Registered: 08-2008 |
Hi there! To stay within this actual topic, we can say that Einstein was the 1st to use this paradox speaking about time travels. Was he so negative? Science cannot stay at standstill towards this paradox - which is to be solved "to loop the loop" of the theory - by ignoring it lest it should shock. No matter how you take the problem of time travel, this question must find an answer however shocking it may seam to some people. One the other hand, shocking explanations are the ones we remember the most. They are part of a good pedagogical process. Salome Lepuniv | ||
Rarena Member Post Number: 596 Registered: 10-2005 |
Was reading contact 225 today, so thoughtfully translated by Ben's site: Futureofmankind.co.uk and there is a section where Billy and Quetzel are speaking about the possibility of WW3 happening in 2006 for renderings occurring in years previous. World War Three did not happen when it was anticipated that it would. We did not loose two thirds of the worlds population... It didn't happen, yet there may be those that think it is a lie because it did not occur. That does not mean it cannot occur yet... and that is still on the books as being possible... So watch your thoughts... AND ACTIONS... those in power... It is my understanding that as humans... being... we have free will which does fall in line with the concept of the future being malleable and the past being somewhat static. Put your thinking in line... neutrally yet slightly positively and you set up the most logical, well thought out reality you can meditate upon... and eventually create. So... thanks to our ISHWISCH friends and their advanced intelligence, knowledge and wisdom, it did not play out that very hideous of ways that Billy prophesied to Quetzel in December 31, 1988... we have evolved... but did we learn as a planet? | ||
Lth Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 06-2010 |
> Correction: Futureofmankind.co.uk is not Ben's site although he is a contributor there. Ben's sites are currently on MySpace | ||
Marbar Member Post Number: 159 Registered: 12-2009 |
Since the Plejaren and Asket's people are capable of time travel, I have a question. The question is: Is there a Creational Law that forbids any race with time traveling abilities to travel to the dawn of time? This is a question that may shock a whole lot of people. I know this question was never expected to be asked. |
