Archive through October 01, 2011

Author Message Derrick Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 01-2011 Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 05:03 am:        Thanks Edward, I guess we have all been dragging our knuckles around here on earth far too long. Derrick Salome Michael_horn Member Post Number: 451 Registered: 07-2009 Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 07:32 am:        Just a note regarding free lectures. Most lectures pay very little to begin with. I would be glad to lecture almost anywhere in the world just for the cost of transportation, food and lodging (providing it isn't sponsored by a well-funded party, or that the charges for the lecture wouldn't allow a fee). Michael_horn Member Post Number: 452 Registered: 07-2009 Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 08:00 am:        Also for Erik: http://theyfly.com/newsflash93/Jeremia_Elia.htm http://theyfly.com/Meier_on_the_Truth_about_Mohammed.html Alagna Member Post Number: 40 Registered: 07-2011 Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 08:32 am:        Hey Erik, As far as your 10-point list, you might want to consider something from Billy Meier. The Seven Steps to Education taken from Beam’s book, “The Way To Live.” I) At first the human must seek the truth, find it, gain knowledge from it and expand on it. II) As second step the human must correct his thoughts in a controlling manner and align them with the truth of his gained knowledge. III) As third step the human must, through his knowledge and his thoughts, create his inner harmony. IV) As fourth step the human must, based on his inner harmony, correct, straighten out, form and harmonise his own character. V) As fifth step the human must correct, straighten out, form and harmonise his direct environment, his family life and relatives' life. VI) As sixth step the human must correct, straighten out, form and harmonise his near environment of friends, mates and acquaintances. VII) As seventh step the human is then capable to correct, to straighten out, to form, to harmonise and to lead a group of humans, the mass of humanity, the state and the world in a wise, humane and creational-just and law-like way. The point I'm trying to convey is that we must learn to first help ourselves, before we can effectively help others. So my friend, as Billy's list goes, start with number one. Nice talking with you too, Erik. Thanks for your reply. All the best, Anthony Kiwilove Member Post Number: 66 Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Monday, September 19, 2011 - 11:48 pm:        I think the Science Fiction conventions set the role model, for anyone wanting free travel/sponsorship/etc for lecturing - but there is a problem with any kind of New Age / UFO / Ancient Aliens kind of convention/gathering - which are never as popular as say Science Fiction convention(s). That you can have guest speakers - who do not agree with one another's material, which to the audience would be confusing. Not like with Science Fiction conventions - in which they know it is all made up, ie. fiction. There can be lecture circuits, you can go on (Michael Horn), say possibly with the Theosophical Society, which in this part of the world (New Zealand - Australia), which seem to cover the same kind of territory as the Billy Meier / Plejaren material, but their emphasis/viewpoint may differ... As far as the general public is concerned - Billy Meier will initially appear no different than say - Erik von Daniken, Adamski and such like - and it is only when they know the full details regarding Billy Meier in some depth, then maybe they'll see the difference. But skeptical people could then say, Oh - surely he can't cover that vast range of topics with such incredible details? Can he? When they become aware of the details, then Billy Meier is another one of those truly hard to believe life stories, along the lines of: Nikola Tesla, Ed Leedskalnin and John Searl... And Meier may not be with us that much longer? Likewise with John Searl? Harvey Kiwilove Member Post Number: 67 Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Tuesday, September 20, 2011 - 02:01 pm:        I do think the truth should be freely available and freely distributed - and when people first read about it - they'll most probably say - Oh, I can agree with that, because it makes plain simple sense. Or common sense - and it'll reaffirm what their own common sense have told them all along. It is a simple fact - that English is an international language - that more people use English, than say German. There are many German speaking/reading people who are fluent in English, so I am rather surprised that the Billy Meier material wasn't automatically translated into English as a matter of course - done regularly, since the contact notes began... And if getting the Billy material was a first priority of giving it to mankind, it does necessitate it being translated into English. You can still acknowledge the important German connection, for those who wish to be 100% aligned with the correct original meanings, etc. It is of course, the matter of this world having accepted so many old incorrect myths as being true - that makes the Billy Meier material very controversial. Many people do not wish to re-examine what they believe in, and throw it out in favour of the Billy Meier material. Also add to this, that many people will incorrectly think that Billy Meier's material is New Age - and don't realise that it is different from that, disagreeing with a lot of it. eg. That Billy talks of reincarnation being true, and that karma does not exist. And saying that God does not exist - would upset a lot of people too - particularly those who are convinced that 'God' is real. Harvey Teesoft Member Post Number: 31 Registered: 01-2011 Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 09:00 am:        HI Harvey I totally agree with u honestly most people are simple not ready to re-examine their believe like u said,but surely we will succeed someday in the far future which is not too far in anyway to me only the amount of destruction we wil bring on our planet before that time hurt and saddens me, and about translating all Meier document into English i want u to remember that English language has alot of primitive and religiouse term alloted to it which is on one hand lies and on the other it it cant be coded which is the main reason why English language or any other terrestrial language, This is why the German language is unique and this language isn't just a language Billy just picked up, its has been choosen more than 13,000 years ago when the mission started. So dear friend it has to do with ancient plan not of today! Salome! Tosin Kiwilove Member Post Number: 68 Registered: 02-2005 Posted on Wednesday, September 21, 2011 - 02:23 pm:        It would surprise the general public, that they should learn German, so as to read 'The Spiritual Teachings' in it's original form - and those who know German already, would be very surprised to know of this. I have not read nor understood all of the Billy Meier material that details reincarnation. But from what I understand of it - it is not like that of the New Age view of reincarnation, which in comparison is rather a romanticized version of reincarnation. That we are always bound to this Earth, and do not normally reincarnate onto other worlds, planes or planets, etc. That 150 years was the normal turnabout time period, but this is shortened due to overpopulation. That a new personality is created, each time we reincarnate - meaning I guess, that our current personality 'dies'? Maybe that is not the correct term/action. But gone is the view - that there is a reunion with past loved ones on the other side, etc etc. I don't know what is the Billy Meier view about 'Near Death Experiences' - re: meeting an entity in the white light, etc etc. There is a bleak future painted for mankind, as the simple law of cause and effect catches up with us all. That we reap what we have all sown. That due to overpopulation, and the consumerism, etc of modern civilisation - the running out of oil, the consequences of such mining, leading to the instability of the Earth - that earthquakes will become more frequent and more severe. The same kind of effects being seen from the demise of the world wild forests - upon our air quality and quality of our weather patterns, etc etc. That if the world waked up to these consequences now, and take drastic actions to minimise their effects - they could be lessened. If reincarnation was accepted, as being 'real' - that we'd reincarnate into our future - maybe that would bring the matter home to everyone's senses - that Mother Earth, is our Mother and should be treated in kind - for our own future benefit, instead of this blind using up the worlds' resources, like there is no tomorrow, and there would be none for us - with such action taken. The only way to get that into the public psyche, I think - would be a movie made, which illustrates all too clearly these concepts and consequences - and say that this movie is not really fiction at all, but a near future projection. Harvey Edward Member Post Number: 2202 Registered: 05-2002 Posted on Monday, September 26, 2011 - 03:58 am:        Hi Derrick.... I see I mistakenly mentioned Harvey, to you. Apologies. I would like to add that in the FIGU Materials, it was also mentioned of the American Indians, whom were also forced away from their fruitful land which resulted in the many many needless deaths; thus, a Starving scenario was here at hand, so to speak. So, they had a similar scenario as the Mayans, as well as other Indian populations. And at one point in time, the American Indians were sent cattle for their consumption from Washington but the cattle was intercepted by high ranked criminal cavalry staff, and for their own consumption....which resulted into the death of the many Indians. Not to forget the number one food chain for the Indians which were the Buffalo....which also became extinct due to 'Buffalo Bill' type of scenarios with extinction of the mentioned animals, alas. They were made extinct 'just for the fun it'....by these scrupless individuals/ criminals/trigger happy fellas. But, fortunately....some did survive and are now well preserved on reservations for them to live and to beget offspring, and to deliver them from any extinction what-so-ever. Edward. Calenwath Member Post Number: 45 Registered: 04-2010 Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 06:25 am:        Welcome Patty, you too Thomas! Salome, Shane Derrick Member Post Number: 81 Registered: 01-2011 Posted on Tuesday, September 27, 2011 - 10:42 am:        Hey Edward, Thanks for your explanations. I guess throughout our earth history the same scenario had been played out all over the world and in most native cultures. However, It would be interesting to know which cultures had been left alone for the most part. Probably none I would imagine. If it wasn't native battles, it was foreign ones with their impressive technologies and poisonous beliefs with whom had forced submission among them. Thanks again Derrick Salome Thomas New member Post Number: 2 Registered: 08-2011 Posted on Wednesday, September 28, 2011 - 01:05 am:        Moderators, I understand that Christian Frehner does not read this forum constantly so maybe one of you could pass this on to him for whenever he has the time to respond. Hello Christian, first I would like to say that this in no way to insinuate anything about FIGU nor about BEAM. I just have a simple curiosity that I hope you can address to alleviate criticisms that I have read elsewhere. It is mentioned, rightfully so, that often the contact notes have parts censored and then when the prophecies or predictions come to pass, those parts are added back into the contact notes. For example, I believe it was contact 251 which originally had no mention of the World Trade Center and then this was added back into the public version afterword. I do understand why this is done but there are many who claim this is hoaxing in action. It is my understanding though that the Core Group of 49 gets to read the uncensored (mostly) contact notes soon after the actual contacts occur and then the edits are released to the public. This would mean, if I understand correctly, that the notes about the World Trade Center were available to the core group members well in advance of the actual attacks on September 11. So my question for you Christian is: Have either you or any of the other core group members read this information specifically mentioning the World Trade Center before the attacks occurred? If so, I will not ask any questions about whatever else the core group knows because I understand that those things are not always for the public to know. I would just like confirmation of the above information. Thank you in advance for your response and have a good day. And by the way, my condolences for the loss of Christine Gasser. Even though death is a part of life, I know it is difficult to lose someone you have known for a long time and were maybe close to. Thomas Hall Christian Moderator Post Number: 224 Registered: 02-2000 Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 01:49 pm:        Hi Thomas, No, I did not know about the attack on the World Trade Center before it happened. And I think that none of the Core Group members knew about it before. The same is true for other very important predictions, "important" meaning that politics are very much involved. However, there were a few incidents of which I was informed before it was brought in the news or in the papers, e.g. an earth quake somewhere in the East, I think in Japan (not the big one). Billy just had a contact and came into the kitchen and told me that an earthquake had just occurred, and he went close to the radio to listen, but there was no mentioning of it at that time (at night). Certain predictions and prophecies cannot (or rather may not) be publicly announced before they occur because in the case of a prediction everything happens exactly as "seen". There are still many prophecies and predictions (very often it is not clear in advance whether an information is a prediction or prophecy) around which will be proven, unfortunately, when the catastrophies have occurred, like e.g. the tsunami in the Portland region, or the huge San Francisco earthquake with the American building still somewhat standing, but severely damaged. Regards, Christian Thomas New member Post Number: 3 Registered: 08-2011 Posted on Thursday, September 29, 2011 - 11:28 pm:        Thanks Christian. I have no doubt about the case but it was a valid point that I had read elsewhere and thought about as well. I appreciate your answer. Do you know when the big San Francisco earthquake is coming? We are slowly leaving the period of time that can be considered "the turn of the century" as mentioned in the contact notes about the big earthquake. I understand that this earthquake will definitely happen since BEAM has seen it, but is it possible that it will not occur when it was though to occur, or is that a fixed date that will not change? I am unsure if this date was even known with certainty because unfortunately I long ago read some unclear information from Randy Winters about an "event clock" and I don't know if this was an idea from Randy or something that really exists. Can you comment on these things? I understand that you are busy so I will be patient either way. Thanks again for your response Christian. Thomas Hall Scott Moderator Post Number: 2185 Registered: 12-1999 Posted on Friday, September 30, 2011 - 02:57 am:        Thomas, for what it's worth, Michael Horn mentioned a number of months ago he asked Billy about the date of the SF E-Quake. Billy said something to the effect "we will have our Angel Wings when that happens" Thomas New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 08-2011 Posted on Friday, September 30, 2011 - 05:04 am:        Really Scott? Seems strange since the pictures Wendelle Stevens saw had normal cars and some more streamlined ones and I doubt in 100 years (ie next century) we will be driving the same cars, if we even have cars... Strange... Thanks for the info though Scott! Thomas Teesoft Member Post Number: 46 Registered: 01-2011 Posted on Friday, September 30, 2011 - 04:53 am:        Hi Scott thanks for that but do u understand what he meant by "we will have our Angel Wings when that happens" cus i tried to think about it but no luck. Salome! Tosin Thomas Member Post Number: 5 Registered: 08-2011 Posted on Friday, September 30, 2011 - 05:22 am:        Hi Scott, I am now really confused because I found the website page where Michael talks about that (angel wings statement). On that same page, there is a contact excerpt with Ptaah and BEAM mentions that the SF earthquake is overdue. Ptaah verifies that the quake will still happen on the exact date as it always would and that it could not be avoided because it was a future that had been visited. That being the case, how could it be that the quake will be so far into the future, still be at the turn of the century, AND still have cars of today's type driving around??? I know you probably don't have the answers but I am confused on this point. Unless BEAM and MH are going to both die soon (which I am definitely not in favor of) I see no logical explanation. I do know however that me not having the answer does not mean that the answer doesn't exist :-) Thomas Thomas Memo00 Member Post Number: 525 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, September 30, 2011 - 06:54 am:        hello Thomas 2020, 2030, etc is still the first part of the century. Though cars will change they will not disappear soon. Salome Thomas Member Post Number: 6 Registered: 08-2011 Posted on Friday, September 30, 2011 - 08:04 am:        Hi Memo00, I could agree with 2020 maybe but 2030 is nearly a third of the way through the century and could not in any way be considered "turn of the century." Heck even BEAM said the SF Big Quake was overdue and no explanation in that contact report was given as clarification other than to say that it is still on for the original date. Don't get me wrong. I am not calling foul. I am just unclear about the apparent contradictions. I am sure BEAM could clear it up but we can't just ask him anything at any time. Besides, from what a friend of mine told me when they were there, the center is busy as a beehive and I know BEAM has other things to deal with then every little question that arises. I was just wondering if anyone here on the forum had any other tidbits to add other than speculation. Thanks Memo00 for the response :-) Thomas Derrick Member Post Number: 89 Registered: 01-2011 Posted on Friday, September 30, 2011 - 08:19 am:        I had a dream last night... There was a thundering screatch through the air and then a giant mushroom cloud burst. It was here in America. I just stood there chanting to myself " I am one with the creation". there were people running but I knew that I couldn't out run it. The explosion reached me and I waited for the moment of shedding my body but I woke up. Wow very vivid. Derrick Salome Memo00 Member Post Number: 526 Registered: 03-2004 Posted on Friday, September 30, 2011 - 01:31 pm:        Hello again Thomas i think that it all depends on the point of view. When you live 1000 years like the Plejaren, 20 or 30 years are much less than for us. Its all relative. Also they usually do not give exact dates for future events so they could have been ambiguous on purpose. To know that what you see in a time travel to the future will happen exactly as you saw it and absolutely nothing, not even the tiniest molecule, atom, electron or quark will be in a different position, is all we need to know. The quake will happen as Billy saw it when he saw it. Why did he said the "overdue" thing? I´m not sure (it could be stress, excess of work, closeness to the time when he had his breakdown, etc). If you have read enough contact reports you may have noticed also he sometimes "plays the fool" pretending to ignore certain things he knows for sure (for example about his true origin), or with the purpose that Plejaren give explanations (that are not intended for him but for us, the readers of the reports). Salome Teesoft Member Post Number: 48 Registered: 01-2011 Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2011 - 12:04 am:        Hi Memo here is a quote of yours "To know that what you see in a time travel to the future will happen exactly as you saw it and absolutely nothing, not even the tiniest molecule, atom, electron or quark will be in a different position" i thought Billy mention that each time you travel to th future it will slightly be different than the last time, Salome! Tosin

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