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Joe
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Post Number: 168
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2011 - 06:16 am: | 
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Quote from Tosin "I thought Billy mention that each time you travel to the future it will slightly be different than the last time."
Tosin, I had already asked this question to Billy and he replied the following:
Q: Billy, if you were to time travel to the future again, to the San Francisco earthquake for the second time with Quetzal then would you see buildings collapsing in the exact same manner, the same number of casualties and so forth? In other words, would you see the exact same scenario as you did the first time or would it be different?
A: Since it was a real travel into the future, everything would happen exactly the same way. Logically! |
Memo00
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Post Number: 528
Registered: 03-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2011 - 06:58 am: |
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Hi Tosin
I doubt it, of course i could be wrong, but what i said is what logic tells me today according to all the explanations i have read on time travel and cause and effect.
Billy sometimes answers in an ambiguous way on purpose (and this could be because of many different reasons, like not having to give long explanations or because the person who asks is not prepared to understand the truth). An example of this is when somebody asked him how he could have left a flashlight in the middle ages during a time travel he made, that if this wasnīt against the law that said that the past canīt be changed and he answered that he didnīt changed the history of France. (and it is true, in fact he didnīt changed anything, the story about the flashlight he left already existed in the book "the history of magic" before he was even born). Ultimately the past, the present and the future are all one like everything else in the universe and beyond.
Salome |
Teesoft
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, October 01, 2011 - 11:55 am: |
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@Joe and Memo u are both right Billy as ways of talking especially if he doesnt want to answer it and moreover even if there is going to be a slight different it will be hardly visible......Thanks for your point!
Salome!
Tosin |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 70
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, October 09, 2011 - 04:03 pm: |
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I do have the very strong feeling, that the Billy Meier material, simply will not go mainstream - for some considerable time. That there are very serious issues - which the general public, cannot agree with, that is present in the Billy Meier story. And with the Plejarens not wanting to be seen anymore - makes Billy Meier seem to be someone of the 80s'.
If Billy Meier is to be taken serious by the public, and those people of critical thinking mindset - then, time travel is just one of the many 'impossble' things present in the Billy Meier case.
Another is that of meeting 'Jesus' - and the details concerning that real story, ie. the original story told, showing how much error is preset in the Christian version of events.
However what is in favour of Billy Meier- is the blank admission that religions all lead us onto a false path, with false ideas, etc etc - that they cannot be trusted to tell us any kind of truth at all. Because they are always politically motivated - because of gaining power by proxy, by speaking for 'God' all of the time. Which any logical thinker, will know this confirms that 'God' does not exist at all, but lies in peoples' imagination.
The Plejarens should have realised from the very start of their Billy Meier mission - that with a world (ie. this Earth) that believes in so many lies as being true - with our various authorities corrupted in all different kinds of manners - that to establish Billy Meier as a believable prophet - very considerable evidence needs to be provided for this. To have only the various photographs that Billy has taken, cine film, audio recording and metal sample - is still not enough 'proof' as such.
I do think that a lot of people can agree with the Billy Meier material - but they simply would not start reading it, unless it is brought to their attention?
Having a few people (that the general public has heard of) recommend the material - would be a start? But who would do that?
It is the greatest story ever told - and should be told to all, ie. There should be some kind of presentation made in the general media - which will publicise the Billy Meier story - whether it be a movie, book, television, song, etc - that finally reaches the masses - in which previous attempts have failed. Erik von Daniken made a hit with his book and film "Chariots of the Gods" way back in the 70s' - and the Plejarens say he is only about 4%? right with his guesses.
Harvey |
Teesoft
Member
Post Number: 56
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Monday, October 10, 2011 - 09:47 am: |
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Hi Harvey plublicing Billy information like the way you put it is against Figu rule cus it a way of preaching and this will only make people {The masses} hate Billy/Figu the more cus everything Billy/Plejaren teach is against everything we have ever known or taught including the new age sect and everyone who claim to know everything......For example its difficult to accept Billy was the past incarnation of Jmmanuel aka (Jesus) and Mohamed cus according to the bible he is suppose to come back like a god and you have to remember the majority of our planet are still religious minded they are not ready to think for themselves yet and for the new ager who claim they aint religious their teaching as i think you know is full of error which they are also not ready to acknowledge so publicing like you said will only curse more harm than good.... The best way that will work is when people slowly start waking up themselves and start realising Billy and the Plejarens are correct though it will take a long time but its the only way we can finally get out of this delusion....Pls i do not mean to attack your idea but i am just stating my point.
Salome!
Tosin |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 71
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - 03:19 pm: |
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There is a very thin line between informing the public, and preaching to it.
Perhaps many of Billy Meier's followers (and I would have to count myself as being one) would like to publicly acknowledge what Billy Meier brings to the world - but that he just does not stand out enough, to be noticed from the rest - the 'new age' field is so crowded with many different points of view, that can be said to be like 'Billy Meier' in their own way. eg. Lobsang Rampa still has followers, and covers material so much similar to Billy Meier - that it's comparison cannot be overlooked, and Rampa composed prayers for his readers, that expresses much the same as the Talmud Jmmanuel's Lord's Prayer. But I had to conclude that much of the Rampa material is simply in error, though it's telling of ancient ancient earth history, is still similar to the Plejaren account. It's similar yet different. I would recomend that the Rampa followers swap onto that of the Billy Meier material - but they are simply unwilling to let Rampa go (and admit that he was in error - eg. he endorsed the Hollow Earth idea, the Philadelphia Experiment, that there is an aladdin's cave of ancient technology under the Potala in Tibet - and referenced to a Japanese account of Jesus being buried in Japan, and that his brother was the one who was crucified and died. ie. Jesus escaped to Japan.
But there are also many positives he wrote about. But you know that any truth teller would not have a 50/50 rate of truth/lies to tell the world. Which is why the Billy Meier material is so different. Although with Billy Meier, there are things so unbelievable he/the Plejarens say - of which there is not official confirmation of - and their withholding information on certain matters can be frustrating...
I would like the Billy Meier / Plejaren response about - Nikola Tesla (were all his ideas valid? possible?). What was that black box he attached to a motor car and powered that vehicle?
Ed Leedskalnin - this appears to be a legtimate case of an amazing inventor/scientist? Why can't his knowledge/expertise be resurrected and be of service to our modern world? Did he have a revolutionary power system, via his flywheel apparatus?
Viktor Schauberger - was his ideas at the heart of the German Nazi flying saucer project?
John Searl - this appears to be a legimate British inventor, who built and flown levity discs prototype models, that took off and flew out of sight and were lost. The Plejarens should have taken note of this? Couldn't his invention (his searl effect generator) supply our power needs now?
It seems obvious that we need to move from fossile fuels to a clean 'free' energy system - and the above could answer this?
Part and parcel of this, is of course acknowledging that we have to own up to the damaging effects of fossile fuels - and we should halt that destructive (and self annihilating) mode of energy) that does our future no good at all.
And I have many other kinds of questions ...
Harvey |
Edward
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Post Number: 2234
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2011 - 01:35 am: |
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Hi Harvey....
interesting summery.
Just to mentioned that Rampa was not the only individual who said the Earth
was: Hollow. Ruthy Norman and her husband said like-wise. She/they said they
had contact with ETs through Tape Recording. And they even said, that when
the Aurora phenomenon appeared, it was the Earth opening up conducted by
those ETs of theirs. Which I knew was not correct due to our common scientist's
explanation of this phenomena. Pity, some family members of mine fell for
Ruthy Norman's explanation. So, I had to discourage my family members. They
still despise Billy Meier (and ME) and, cling on to Ruthy Norman, Adamski,
Menger, etc..., alas.
Nikola Tesla, was discussed here in the past; I think Billy mentioned he was
an 'average' scientist, or something. Just as others. But, he had some really
good ideas.
Tesla was focused on a CLEAN living environment, with no use of fossil fuels;
his ideas with a central energy source which was very easy to 'extract' from
around us...would have been his dream. He did envision, us in a world of
Miserable Pollution, if we utilize fossil fuels. From knowing this, he was
quite far in his thinking; I gather here-and-there....
You may want to utilize the Search Engine, for details? He was discussed as
far as I know.
Well, you have enough questions to ask Billy?
Just ask him in the next rounds?
Edward. |
Sonik_01
Member
Post Number: 241
Registered: 03-2006
| | Posted on Sunday, October 16, 2011 - 11:26 am: |
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Hi Edward,
I didn't say anything about Jim, or the process of calculating pi. I said I thought Guido Moosbrugger had already calculated it. What i wasn't sure of, was whether he had published it or not. |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 72
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 07:46 pm: |
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I did read about Tesla, in the Billy Meier material a few years ago, but my memory is such that I cannot recall the exact details thereof. Something to the effect, that Tesla wasn't the great inventor, his followers think he is...
I don't think the questions I like to ask Meier, would be answered - but they are the type of questions and material, that the public is prohibited from knowing about, at this point in time. Everyone wants to know if there are captured Flying Saucers as such, and whether there are alien technology being studied by scientists, etc? Is the Colonel Corso account 100% correct?
When people learn of the account of the Talmud Jmmanuel - they like to know more and more details, concerning it. But no more details will be forthcoming about it. The same regarding other Great Pyramids around the world - when will these be found?
Those who are searchers for truth - are stuck between a rock and a hard place. The Plejarens are not going to reveal themselves in future, and they will have little to do with us. They say they will not meddle in our affairs, that we have to find our own evolutionary path, etc etc. But already they have - they removed the Bafath from this planet, destroyed the Great Destroyer comet - and of course, allowed their ships to be photographed by Meier, and provided various evidence for him. And stopped short - of appearing on the White House lawn.
Things may not change all that much in the future? Will it be only when Man lands on Mars? Or will what will be found there, be kept secret still, just like with the moon missions, and what they found? What is really on the Moon? Richard Hoagland makes all kinds of fantastic claims, but as far as I know, the Plejarens haven't confirmed any of that? But they have said, interesting things are on Mars. But as far as the public is concerned - nothing much has been sighted on Mars yet - and with a Mars rover roaming Mars - nothing out of the ordinary was found...
Harvey |
Corey
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Post Number: 44
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - 08:51 am: |
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Dear Harvey,
the only thing left on Mars are natural artifacts, all the un-natural monuments, pyramids, stations, and beamships were removed by the Sirians.
Salome
Corey |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 407
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - 09:41 am: |
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Hi Harvey, or so nasa says.....have you ever looked at pictures of mars?
http://photojournal.jpl.nasa.gov/targetFamily/Mars
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Joiningthedots
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 12-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - 05:16 pm: |
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Hello good people
not sure if this has appeared yet on the forum about the CERN faster than light neutrino news?
http://io9.com/5843395/physicists-explain-controversial-finding-of-faster+than+light-particles
A friend told me about this and he seemed surprised that I wasn't as surprised as he was! - thanks Billy 
found the original published paper here http://arxiv.org/pdf/1109.4897v1
Tom |
Calenwath
Member
Post Number: 48
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 18, 2011 - 07:25 pm: |
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Hey welcome to the new folks! and so great to hear about the Australia FIGU group really taking off!
Salome,
Shane |
Andres82
Member
Post Number: 32
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, October 19, 2011 - 12:52 am: |
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Oh Figu Australia?
HMM...
Id rather have one just in Switz. hehehe
But I've managed to spread the Spiritual Teachings and a lot about BEAM to 6 carefully selected people within the space of 2 months!
so... CHA-CHING hehehehe!
It's also helped me Strengthen and further cognizise what I already know!
Salome
Andres
(Who lives in Australia)
Lyrian Spirit
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Thomas
Member
Post Number: 9
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2011 - 05:33 am: |
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This is for Christian Frehner: Hi Christian, I just noticed an important discrepancy in some information about the Talmud Jmmanuel and I was hoping you could clarify it with Billy. Just to let you know, this is not to accuse anyone of fraud or anything similar. I just want to clarify this since it is important.
In a response to a question, Billy said:
"As a matter of fact there was a copy(of the Talmud Jmmanuel), prepared at the time by the Plejaren, of the records made by Judas Iscariot, consequently, the lost, respectively burned, example was not the only one."
However in another later response to someone else, Billy responded:
"The complete, original writings were no longer available even to the Plejaren since a transcript or a copy had never been made of these due to the destruction of the original scrolls by a fire in one of the refugee camps, in which, at times, Markus Isa Rashid stayed, together with his family."
This seems to be a contradiction but I understand that there may be more information needed to resolve the apparent conflict. I would like to ask if you could clarify this with Billy at some point when you have the opportunity please.
Thanks in advance and thanks for everything else you and the other members do for the mission.
Thomas Hall |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2193
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2011 - 09:06 am: |
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Hi Thomas,
Although I can't speak for Christian and I'm sure he will respond to your request, I thought initially perhaps the information was updated from what was assumed to be correct..
Scott |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 73
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, October 20, 2011 - 01:59 pm: |
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I would find the explanation, that what will be found on Mars, will only be what is natural there. In that, if it was a civilised world in the ancient past, and it suffered the worst of catastrophes, then debris would scattered far and wide - and that any clean up / removal of these man made objects would be too enormous and time consuming to remove. That much of it lies buried, under centuries of dust, etc etc. All for what? So that mankind remains in the dark about Mars history? It simply does not compute or make any kind of real sense.
This can be what is difficult to accept of the Billy Meier material. Any person of reason and logic, requires proof all the time, for what they believe in. The Plejarens have given tidbits of information - and believers would require these to be proven to be 'real' and not merely right guesses of an overactive imagination.
We can say that Billy Meier has released all kinds of information, from many different areas of knowledge - history, archaeology, technology, etc etc - and we can say - has Billy Meier/Plejarens have said anything, that is truly a lie, or false information? Anything false, say as Adamski's claim that his aliens were from Venus (which is now to be known to be so inhospital, that no human life could live there). And to my knowledge he hasn't. Though mention is made of incredible technology (which we have not designed also yet, or even thought of) that appears to be 'magic' or 'science fiction'.
Harvey |
Andres82
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Post Number: 34
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2011 - 02:26 am: |
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The mad Hatter as we speak! hehehe
Look at what I found.
This woman claims to contact "Ptaah"
http://www.ptaah.com/Welcome09Aug.html
Salome
Lyrian Spirit
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Thomas
Member
Post Number: 10
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2011 - 07:30 am: |
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Hello everyone, the following quote seems to go along with what I have understood from the materials BEAM has written and it corresponds to my own thinking as well so I thought I would share it here.
"Every cause has it's effects and the past cannot be escaped. However the past is the past and noone is required to continue as they once were. It is a fact that, even though the results of past deeds may still need to be dealt with, noone is required to continue living a way of life that was previously kept if that way was the wrong one. Each day is a new one and a new opportunity to live life anew. Misdeeds and errors of the past cannot be ignored, this is true, but they need not determine one's day nor their future, when unresolved effects of the past are not included. So it can be said that, yes, the effects of the past must be dealt with if they have not already been resolved, but the past is not the present, nor the future. If some deed from the past haunts a person, then they must face that fact, take responsibility for the misdeed, and then let go of it as far as guilt is concerned once the effects of that deed have been resolved. Errors are normal and as long as the misdeed is not repeated, and the lesson has been learned, embarrassment and guilt no longer serve a purpose. Guilt is the tool of learning but becomes a degeneration if one dwells on it beyond learning the lesson needed and moving onward in life. No person is the same as they were in the past. Each day produces a new person who results from the previous ones.
Today is a new day. Learn from the past but do not live in it." -anonymous |
Bronzedesk
Member
Post Number: 36
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, October 22, 2011 - 10:21 am: |
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I fear that there will always be those who wish to get in on a piece of the action!
I pray for you all to gain an overall perspective for the days that are to come.
The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.
Douglas Adams, The Salmon of Doubt: Hitchhiking the Galaxy One Last Time
"Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new."
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Edward
Member
Post Number: 2246
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2011 - 12:34 am: |
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Hi Scott.....
If I remember it correctly, someone mentioned it was in the Plejaran databank/
computers or something at the time. Thus, if this is the case, it would have
never gone lost.
Edward. |
Edward
Member
Post Number: 2247
Registered: 05-2002
| | Posted on Sunday, October 23, 2011 - 12:39 am: |
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Thomas....
As Billy once said: Well, let us make Mistakes! [i.e.- "Let us LEARN"...as you
may know: we LEARN from our mistakes...]
Edward. |
Andres82
Member
Post Number: 35
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Monday, October 24, 2011 - 03:05 am: |
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I have a simple question Friends..
When do we get our responses from billy?
Thanks =]
Salome
Andres
Lyrian Spirit
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