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Calenwath
Member
Post Number: 53
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Friday, November 11, 2011 - 08:38 pm: | 
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Hey welcome to the forum Retchie.
Shane |
Savio
Senior Member
Post Number: 690
Registered: 07-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2011 - 03:07 am: |
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Hi Michael
It is a very bright decision that you wanted to keep the bit in where Billy laughed at your response.
This is one of the best episodes within "The silent Revolution of Truth".
I felt warm, comforted and moved when I saw the man who suffered and endured a whole lifetime that is full of hardships, misunderstandings, dangers and conspiracies laughed his heart out and not even a shadow on his face.
More to come please 
Salome
Savio |
Michael_horn
Member
Post Number: 474
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2011 - 02:10 pm: |
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Hi Savio,
Yes, when Billy laughs he laughs with all of his being, so I just had to have that in. |
Retchie1973
Member
Post Number: 5
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 08:16 am: |
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thanks Shane! looking forward for more sharing of knowledge in this forum
retchupax
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Eduardo
Member
Post Number: 9
Registered: 11-2011
| | Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 08:44 am: |
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Hello everyone,
I have three simple questions about the plejaren:
Do they make movies, theater or any kind of acting?
Do they laugh like we do, I don't mean a simple laugh but a very hard and extensive, like one of those that we have when we watch a very very funny movie that sometimes you lost your breath?
How many times do they eat in one day, how much time do they sleep in one day?
Thank you all for this amazing opportunity. |
Elreyjr
Member
Post Number: 274
Registered: 01-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2011 - 04:39 pm: |
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Greetings,
relative to the news that the FIGU Society USA having been dissolved, will it affect the continuance of this particular English discussion forum?
Jun
My will be done |
Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 794
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2011 - 05:26 pm: |
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Hello Jun,
No, it will have no effect whatsoever on this forum.
This is the English FIGU forum which is directly governed by FIGU Switzerland, its function is to cater the needs of all people who can't read/understand German.
Therefor this English FIGU forum is NOT an American forum, but a forum for all people who have English as their first, secondary or tertiary language, regardless which country they belong.
(Message edited by jacob on November 19, 2011)
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Andres82
Member
Post Number: 41
Registered: 08-2011
| | Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2011 - 11:09 pm: |
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HI!
- What happened to the FIGU USA?
and why did it close?
Regards
Andres
Lyrian Spirit
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Jacob
Moderator
Post Number: 796
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 03:05 am: |
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http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/sonder-bulletin/2011/nr-64/figu-society-usa-engl
FIGU Society USA dissolved
On August 6, 2011, during its General Meeting, the Kerngruppe der 49 (Core group of 49) at the SemjaseSilver-Star-Center has decided to dissolve FIGU-Landesgruppe USA or FIGU Society USA, respectively. The decisive factor was the fact that the members of the national group were not capable to build – during the last nine years – a community functioning according to FIGU's standards. It is very unfortunate to realize that the people in the USA – during the last 35 years – have not recognized their own responsibility to build smaller or larger groups, in order to achieve good progress in spreading the spiritual teaching.
The decision also means that for the time being no group of FIGU Passive Members will receive the status of an official FIGU-Studiengruppe or Landesgruppe (Study or National Group) in the USA.
It's now entirely up to the Passive Members – and further persons interested in spreading the truth – whether they want to accept their self-responsibility and self-duty etc. and unite as groups in the USA and become active. And they will have to achieve everything without the external assistance of the Kerngruppe der 49.
If it should turn out in a few years that – in the USA – one or more groups exist in which FIGU Passive Members are persistently working together in a motivated, reliable, civilized way and in mutual esteem and respect etc. and are achieving real progress, then there remains the possibility that the official status of a FIGU-Landesgruppe or Studiengruppe may be granted again.
It goes without saying that all U.S. American FIGU Passive Members will continue to have equal rights and duties as all other FIGU Passive Members in other countries, and they will be held in equal esteem, too. Christian Frehner, Switzerland
Salome,
Jacob
Saalome gam naan ben uurda, gan njjber asaala hesporoona!
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Ramirez
Member
Post Number: 635
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 03:57 am: |
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That lays it out in plain language .... hooray FIGU.
Now for a different approach with regard to communication.
Speaking of USA ..... only 1 minute 47 seconds.
US Congress in action ..... you will soon realize why that country is what it is ......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kur36SWZhsA&feature=related
Cheers.
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Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 78
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 01:39 pm: |
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What the Plejarens fail to understand...
That the general public has heard of similiar kind of stories, like that of Billy Meier, and has heard such stories over many decades, in which case - those kind of stories have been false. Say back to the foundation days of the Theosophical Society, in which Madame Blavatsky made claims about the Tibetan ascended masters, etc etc. Lobsang Rampa is another case - who still have a following that believes in his material. And the likes of the Eckankar who makes claim of astral travelling experiences. The New Age area in bookstores, libraries, etc are full of such accounts in which - Billy Meier/Plejarens say that much of that is false, which I tend to agree with.
Anything which is true after all, will have the evidence to support it, in our everyday reality. A serious problem is when all such physical evidence is gone forever, such as the ancient history of all of Earth's past civilisations, the likes of Atlantis and Mu. And when such things are mentioned, of which we know so little (ancient races still with us, living underground and having nothing to do with us, above ground) and of extraterrestrials races and worlds - beyond this Earth - such colloboration/evidence for that information, will be a long time coming - many generations later?
There must be the understanding and acknowledgement that the desire for evidence/confirmation is always present and desired - and is a natural part of us. And to simply say to us - is that you have to be satisfied with the Contact Reports only (and such material) - and that is all you are going to get - is of course, bordering very much on what religions have been doing to us, all along.
The Plejarens should clearly understand this, if they intend not a cult to be started around Billy Meier.
A side note - it should be obvious to the reader of the Contact Reports, that when Billy Meier uses only a few sentences to cover what had happened over a couple of days (on one of those fantastic journeys onboard one of their beamships/etc), that he was only giving a brief summary only. I don't know how good his memory is? Most people tend to forget the details over time... My guess is that he won't be revealing any more (ie. more details) because this is simply not in the publics' best interest (although they would want more and more detail(s) all the time) and to also not reveal information that would do more harm than good for us.
But it should be very obvious to all, that the Billy Meier case is very different to every other - because he gives/releases a lot of very specific details of exact information, on a whole range of subjects - and no one else has ever done this before - because these kind of details can be checked out, and compared with. It is not like the Adamski case - who made the claim of being in contact with Venusians, in which we know now, no physical life as we know it, could ever live there, permanently because of how inhospitable that environment is. Because the critics of Billy Meier, who would label him as a fraud, liar, etc etc do not bring up, ie. repeat the details he has mentioned, to verify he is a fraud. And the amount of details Billy Meier has mentioned, must rank in the thousands? or more? |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 79
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, November 20, 2011 - 12:35 pm: |
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I do think there is a fundamental problem in setting up a FIGU group in a local area overseas - in that it is not the reasonable and logical ideas that FIGU promotes, that is not a problem in getting people interested in the Billy Meier / Plejaren material - but those parts which are fantastical, and which there is not the evidence present, to support it (say time travel, Nazi UFOs, Atlantis and Mu construction/destruction, the Gizeh Intelligences and their work, etc) that will test anyone's believabiliity.
To my knowledge, I have never come across anything anywhere that adequately supports the Gizeh Intelligences handiwork. There has been some stories about robots seen under the Gizeh Pyramid at some remote time? The same can be said of certain regions of the world where there are local legends of a race/beings living under a mountain, etc. (The problem of a secret group such as the Gizeh Intelligences, is that if they are so effective at being 'secret' - that they have covered their tracks so well... that like with Plejaren beamships, that photographic proof is very much required, to convince the general public of it's existence - otherwise it sounds too much like the great reveal, behind Scientology's secret info. - which seems to be some kind of version of the Gizeh Intelligences story...)
Anyone who has maintained the fact that there has been a continued contact with an ET race for many decades, and have exchanged a lot of information with them - would have to reveal knowledge and technologies far greater and more advanced than ours - and this would have to be expected in the Billy Meier / Plejarens material, and it is. Along with the obvious plain stating of how this current civilisaton of humanity, is their own worst enemy in it's mad pursuit of materialism and warmongering, etc etc.
Harvey |
Peter_brodowski
Member
Post Number: 574
Registered: 01-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 08:07 pm: |
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hey ther kiwilove,
may i suggest that it is not the plejarens that fail to understand what you mentioned rather it is you who fail to understand that the only people taking any real part in the mission are those with the capacity to do so, not those with the tendecy to be influenced (convinced, proven to, appealed to, satisfied with etc) into believing or warming to such and such concepts or goals. |
Sarah
Member
Post Number: 50
Registered: 10-2011
| | Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 11:17 pm: |
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Uh, as long as you know that a person refusal to take anything on faith means that their not serving the mission of completely false. Everyone serves the mission one way or another. There is no right or wrong way to learn. |
Eduardo
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 11-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 10:18 am: |
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I feel very very very confused. I have read and read a lot of information on the Meier case regarding the so called alien abductions and the answer is that is not true is made up by people. I can't remember where I read it that but I'm sure I did and also I visited FIGU about a couple of months ago and I asked the questions if the abductions are true and the answer was no is not true. But now I am reading contact note 2 and Semjase is giving Billy the following information:
40. Frequently, beings from alien races have also come to your Earth and carried out their expeditions here. 41. They gathered various things that could be of service to their investigations. 42. And it will always happen time and again that such beings come here and perform their studies. 43. They come from the most diverse worlds and systems. 44. They are often still new to space travel and perform their expeditions to expand their knowledge and understanding. 45. It can also happen that they unintentionally come into contact with Earth people but then never return again. 46. They are not power hungry or the like because they are glad to finally have serenity and order in their own worlds. 47. It can also happen here and there that they overpower some people from Earth, bring them into their beamships, examine them carefully with their instruments, and conduct a most detailed study of their anatomy. 48. Without exception though, they let these human beings go again, for they do not wish to harm them.
49. They are often more humane beings than man on Earth. 50. Unfortunately however, there are also some rather barbaric beings traveling through space who come to Earth here and there. 51. Many among them are power hungry and evil. 52. It can happen, that they kidnap and abduct human beings from Earth (as well as from planets in other systems) and bring them to their home planets. 53. These poor creatures then lead a life there as objects of exhibition or are used for experiments. 54. Man on Earth and inhabitants of other worlds must be wary of these beings, for in their viciousness they often use great force. 55. Feelings and other human traits and sentiments are often foreign to them; thus, a human life is nothing of value to them.
Please can somebody from the CORE GROUP give an explanation of what's going on? I mean how come there are two different answers to this? |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2215
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 11:49 am: |
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Eduardo,
Have you read this: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv9p131,132Stuhlinger.htm
Regards
Scott |
Bronzedesk
Member
Post Number: 49
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 12:30 pm: |
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Dear Eduardo,
May I add something to this? When they talk alien abductions they talk of the P's themselves not being involved, however, that doesn't rule out the fact that other alien races have in the past and still are on their own conducting certain types of experimentation on the Human Race as a whole.
My own conclusion is that this and other occurrences personal and or otherwise have been happening along Earth's History and Timeline since the beginning of mankind!
However, it doesn't discount the fact that others have falsified these so called experiences for personal gain both financial and or otherwise!
Perspective and Discernment with tough love and faith always and forever!
"Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new."
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Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 80
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 04:53 pm: |
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Yes - I cannot but help notice too, that sometimes there seems to be a contradiction with the Billy Meier / Plejaren information.
That in one part it says that the majority of so-called alien abductions, that the majority are either false or fantasies. (I think there was a CIA effort, to generate false UFO abduction stories - so as to generate negative publicity against UFOs) But still there are a few rare cases, which seem genuine. I am not a core group member, nor have I read all of the Billy Meier material - but the Plejarens have said that the Betty and Barney Hill case, to be genuine. I don't know what is said about the Travis Walton case? And I know of a case in England, about a family with 'missing time' - as like with the Betty and Barney Hill case, that is so similar. There are rare cases in which information surrounding the story, appear to make it sound so genuine.
In one part - it says that the majority of the missing ships, planes, etc are due to the natural or normal conditions present in the Bermuda Triangle area - then another part talks about this area being special, as a dimensional door into other dimensions.
One can make an educated or instinctual guess that with other intelligences and races - there is bound to be conflict, leading to wars, etc as such. The Plejaren recounting of Earth's ancient ancient history (and that of this solar system) is all about such conflicts and wars - and they had their kings of wisdom leading them.
I always have the strong feeling that there is always a sizeable portion of the population, who is very much aware and open to new information - but sadly because of the misdirection and misleading sources out there - many will be misdirected away from truthful sources. The New Age area, present in bookstores and libraries illustrate the minefield that is present. People who are after the truth and nothing but the truth, are not solely those who have read Billy Meier, and believe in that material. Many, of course, would accept what Meier has written - if they had the chance to read it in the first place - and sadly many people of the public won't.
Harvey |
Scott
Moderator
Post Number: 2216
Registered: 12-1999
| | Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 05:32 pm: |
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Harvey, according to this the Hill Case was not considered valid: "What has to be said in respect to the married couple Hill, and all other persons who were allegedly abducted or even medically harmed, or who supposedly had implants implanted, and who under hypnosis exposed these occurrences is, that these occurrences have never happened, and are nothing but illusions, imagination, delusions and deliberate lies, as well as also schizophrenic illusionary products and disturbances of consciousness brought forth through the interference of electromagnetic fields of the earth, through which unrealities, unreal happenings as well as unreal memories and unreal experiences are caused, but also unreal pain, fear and unreal perceptions and so forth. The disrupted electromagnetic fields of the earth have been the cause of the untrue memories of the Hills. All these factors will become or could be knowingly or unknowingly manipulated, which means that the hypnotised describe their unreal happenings and unrealities etc. as reality, or that liars and deceivers are able to maintain their deliberate lies and deceit under hypnosis. Hypnosis, namely, is in no means capable of finding out the truth in such or other cases. Altogether, in earlier time, every incident in this respect we accepted as the truth, like contacts between earth's human beings and beings foreign to earth as well as abductions by beings foreign to earth; however, they have been proven wrong through our newest technology according to investigations for such incidents that go back to the early times of the 20th, and the 19th century"
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_424
Scott |
Eduardo
Member
Post Number: 14
Registered: 11-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 01:02 am: |
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Dear Scott,
I read the article that you provided to me on the link but it contradicts Semjase’s first explanation to Billy. Quetzal is saying that everything is a lie and so on, my question is why the contradiction? And if there are a few rare cases of real abductions against humans will why they the Plejaren don’t interfere? After all, those extraterrestrials are more advance than us and they are violating our human’s rights. What I mean is that they cannot interfere directly with us?
Thank you. |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 81
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 12:16 pm: |
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Hi Scott,
Well there is definitely then a contradiction is what is said from the Plejarens, concerning the Betty and Barney Hill case.
While you cite Contact Report 424, then there is the info - under Chapter 6 - Extraterrestrials, from a Gaiaguys text, at the same site ---
6.3.14 Zeta Reticuli
Zeta Reticuli Intelligences - 37.8-18
The Zeta Reticuli are a peaceful extraterrestrial race that have come to the Earth from a planet in the Zeta Reticuli star system, 37 light-years from Earth. They are humanoid in appearance with a small body size of between 126 and 163 centimeters tall. Their spacecraft is similar to the Pleiadian ships and are extremely well equipped for space travel. The atmosphere of their home world is similar to Earth’s atmosphere and the entities are able to breeth here without much difficulty. They wear close-fitting, filter-dress suits, which offer protection for them in some ways.
Zeta Reticuli Intelligences - 37.36-58
The Pleiadians first discovered their presence here when they abducted two Earth humans for the sake of study on September 19, 1961. A married couple by the names of Betty and Barney Hill were taken at night while driving in the mountains of New Hampshire, USA. (See section 6.5.1) The Pleiadians examined this event and have determined that Earth humans have nothing to fear from the Zeta Reticuli entities here because they only perform explorations.
I don't understand the completely two different explanations?
Harvey |
Justsayno
Member
Post Number: 419
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 07:21 pm: |
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Hi Harvey, due to the Plejarens new technology they were able to determine that the Hills had false recollections based on the deceit of hypnosis. What a shock, you ever talk to those people after they go on stage and get hypnotized? They don't remember what crazy stunts they were commanded to do, and did. Maybe the Ps old technology dealt with their examination of the Hill case in the same way as giving a lie detector test? I'm sure the Hills would have passed with flying colours because they believed they were abducted. The Plejaren have admitted before to being deceived by humans.
The Zetas could very well be a race, but not sure if the Ps are in contact with them. This may only have been an observance.
The Ps have always elaborated or make corrections to their previous knowledge when they find out more or are able to transmit more explanations. Check the dates of the reports, the newest are probably most accurate.
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Teesoft
Member
Post Number: 92
Registered: 01-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 11:33 pm: |
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I think i read somewhere that for certain reasons about their directives they do not mentain contact with them and one other thing is i think i read somewhere also that they travel with sub light speed that they havent master space travel like the P's i will find the source if i have to......Which is the correct information pls?
Salome,
Tosin. |
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