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    Jorgerendon Member Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2011 |
Thank you Scott. And thank you to all the members for this service. | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 87 Registered: 02-2005 |
Thanks Edward for trying to answer my question - but I still don't get what you are going on about. I was trying to understand how the people got to hear about the true teachings about Creation, etc - like in the Talmud Jmmanuel - also why this is not in the record books / writings etc. Because when you discuss this to people you know, etc - they have not heard about 'the Creation' and such teachings - although 'universal consciousness' and talking about God in the vaguest sense (is in everything and is everywhere, etc etc) approaches close to it. What we do have are the various world religions which give us some kind of nonsense teachings - which simply does not stand up to critical thinking/analysis etc. Are we to understand that the Bafath is partly (or wholely?) responsible for the distortions - but also the students/followers never understood the original teachings in the first place... ie. Mohammad, Buddha, etc etc. The general public is not ready for the Billy Meier material - when world religions hold their current status in power and position. I would assume that anyone who does think for themselves - would automatically reject world religions because they don't offer serious food for thought and contemplation... Harvey | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 54 Registered: 05-2011 |
Kiwilove, Grasping not just the knowledge of Creational materials, but also incorporating these “coding essence” in order to fully integrate its meaning into one’s unique characteristic attributes that span many thousands of re-incarnations whose knowledge and experiences are all stored in one’s Subconscious is just one aspect of a number of parameters that are all connected in some shape and form, again depending on one’s “force” of discipline in their material conscious to enable access to these knowledge banks takes extreme effort including overcoming the fear of religious oppression that has and continue to negatively influence one’s true evolutionary process. One must understand how degraded Earthly humanity has been subjected to by both evil ET’s and these so called “leaders” that continue to oppress and suppress Billy’s messages so much so that their pineal gland has shrunk over the milieums, therefore both biologically and mentally, humanity has regressed far below their capacity of evolution. In addition it requires very strict discipline to balance these forces while keeping one’s ego in check as not to profoundly affect its outcome. Yes, you have a good point that understanding Creational materials is like a foreign language for the average person and would be practically useless trying to explain to them what it means because they first need to overcome the religious and materialistic bondage which restricts them from reason. It is unfortunate, but the majority of humans on Earth are simply “stuck on stupid” and they will not admit it until some dramatic event happens, then it may be too late for not just them but others who strive for good as well. The Bafath where and still are evil SOB’s, now that all 1200 have died, their spirits are a danger to others if allowed to re-incarnate because to the end, they still tried to kill Billy even though they were millions of light years away. While under the Egyptian pyramid, they utilized telenotic technology to spread and control others with false religious messages and images therefore influencing others to do their own evil. Probably the only effective measure to steer these masses of misguided humanity towards creational reasoning is to experience firsthand events that contradict religious dogmas, like in my case I actually witnessed how erroneous the concept of some jesus christ, the so called “son of god, now an absolute all powerful god of which some Catholic priest used “his name and presence” to “bless” and cleanse a “haunted” house where I lived in and COULD NOT purge it! That is when I had seriously doubted any of these “micky mouse fantasy” jesus christ and to further this belief, I actually told this character who tried to put a crown on my head in a dream to go F^$K off and join the creator overlords. Therefore, not only did I personally witness how irrelevant this whole Christian religion is about, but also committed one of the most serious crime against the almightily absolute god which is blastemy by telling jesus christ to go and “shove it”, yet I am still alive. So any more talk about this nonsense will not get any influence on me…too bad others may not be swayed by their internal material conscious to make a similar decision that I made. The Islamic religions are another matter, because the masses need to first overcome the FEAR factor which the corrupt power lustful clergy has imposed on them for so many years. Their culture is also so dominated by the male ego over women’s rights (if there are any worth mentioning besides being treated worst than dogs). It is the female factor that has the most potential to bring the necessary changes to creational reasoning for this religion which has basically become a barbaric method of control and extortion. In conclusion god or gods and the religions they created along with the clergy that supports this insane madness are nothing but human parasites existing at the expense of others. They are the worst of scum even lower than virus or single cell parasites because they have the free will to determine right from wrong but choose evil because they are barbaric SOB’s. I judge them harshly because until they come to reason and fix the crimes they impose on others, they are sub-humans and not worth having a spirit to evolve in. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2360 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Harvey.... Your: Because when you discuss this to people you know, etc - they have not heard about 'the Creation' and such teachings -.... I think you may be referring to the - Genesis - chapter, which was taken out of the early Bible, as I recall. If I remember it correctly, Creation is mentioned in this chapter, etc. That is why, there is no mentioning of Creation for the people to get acquainted/ familiar with. 'Universal Consciousness' is more of a Buddhist approach, in which Buddha was quite in the correct direction in though and mind. Buddha, may have acquired such wisdom and knowledge from his previous incarnations(: via his Storage Bank, whatever the case may be). Your: Are we to understand that the Bafath is partly (or wholely?) responsible for the distortions - but also the students/followers never understood the original teachings in the first place... ie. Mohammad, Buddha, etc etc. The Ignorance of the individuals as well as any Ishfisch or Bafath, whatever the case may be. NO, the mass is not that ready for the Billy Meier materials. And of course, anyone using their Common Sense, Logic and Reason, would reject any (Cult) Religious Dogmas, etc.... That is why, we should THINK for ourselves and not act through Blind Faith. Edward. | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2361 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Hawaiian.... On the Islam, I agree with you to some point, but we must not lump it on one pile. Not all Islam countries are within your definition explanation. There are Islamic countries that treat their women as content as possible and as equals. They may not have the many rights as here in our western countries, to some point, but, they still have the possibility to live peacefully hand-in-hand with their male companion. I have Islamic family in Indonesia, and the women are far from being treated as you mentioned. A country as Turkey also treats their women with respect; even, others like Indians from India(yes whom can also be Islamic), and so on, whom I know here, treat their women with much respect. It is a pain in their hearts when the Islam is defined as you have and many others, because they KNOW...this is not true. And I see with my own eyes how in balance their relationship is. Too bad, some individuals still have a wrong view of what Islam is all about; in most cases this is due to the(ir) Ignorance of the individual, not knowing such folk whom practice the Islamic Religion, and so they give a coarse interpretation of their own short-coming. So, let us also look at 'the bright side' of the Islam. Not all Christians, Jews, Catholics, etc., are monsters, no? It is the LEADERS whom make misuse of their Cult Religion, through their distorted views...and bring it upon their followers. Just ONE bad apple is needed to mislead the mass into such false indoctrination. The leaderships of these mentioned Religions should indeed take a positive approach... in their speech, and than, surely...their (Cult) Religion would not be as bad as they make it to be. Even though the Giza Boys may have part in influencing the Christian Religion in general, Billy still made very clear that these individuals still had the possibility to THINK for themselves, and to decide for their themselves, which they alas did not do. They still had Free Will, but ceased to use it. Only few made use of their Free Will...to escape the Giza Boys manipulations. So you see: There is always....a way out. Let us 'filter' out the negative aspects and set the positive aspects in light, also? Remember, what Billy mentions about: Pros and Cons. We should try to 'balance' out the context of the mentioned subjects. That is why I admire Billy's writings. He never really speaks of (all) the Cons when he speaks about a country or individual; the Pros he also views. Very - Neutral Positive - man he is, no? Edward. | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 56 Registered: 05-2011 |
Ewdard, Wouldn't be just great if the powers to be just separated these evil ones from those trying to adhere to creational asperations? Unfortunately that was not the case and the primary reasons why Earth is so messed up. To go along your merry way "balancing" the negative and positive forces that in their own regard do not follow creational balance is a form of ignorance of the fact that letting a crime take place on your time is the same as committing it to a second degree, but none the less being part of the problem and not the solution. Just a couple nights ago I had a dream of some muscular guy about 6 feet 4 inch tall and around 245 lbs wanted to sexually rape a young boy and told me so. Therefore I "introduced" a black stallion in this dream that pinned him against the fence for some good animal loving. I don't enjoy one bit seeing someone suffer and it goes for the innocent and guilty as well, but after the deed (which I had no control of) he was remorse and well balanced, no crime was committed, the young boy did not suffer any negative consequences and certainly the stallion did not "inquire" any power lust or other degenerated pleasures that a perverted human rapist would derive from such acts of "positive re-enforcements" That is the difference between animals and so called advanced "evolved" humans. I had the power to intervene and used it humanly to resolve an emerging crisis which I see often lacking in the historical past regarding Earthly affairs. | ||
Michael_horn Member Post Number: 499 Registered: 07-2009 |
Am I missing something here or do you think that because you had a dream that you "had the power to intervene and used it humanly to resolve an emerging crisis", as in actually intervened in REALITY? | ||
Hawaiian Member Post Number: 57 Registered: 05-2011 |
Semjase says that we need to learn from our dreams, so what will do if an situation like what I described happened to you where a decision has to be made to either avoid some crime from occurring or do something about it? Why do you take this so personal since it's a learning experience and I did what I believe was humane and just instead of just being some observor and let things go bust. One has to think beyond the "box" and gain control of your dreams instead of being influenced by others, why not influence the outcome? We all have this "power" to decide on a conscious level to intervene both in the waking and dream state, had I just let this monster go and rape some young kid, then would it not be my mistake to let it happen? I would have been indirectly responsible for such a crime even though it "only" occurred in my dream...whether or not it would have have some influence on these characters is real life remains to be seen. I had more than a few dreams where events actually happened as it did...so I did what I believe was appropriate and have no regrets... Maybe when you or others have the same opportunity in both the dreaming or waking state, then what will you do is your free will to do so. Reality may not be so clear for those who close their minds to things they do not truely understand or have the necessary experience to judge something that often goes beyond conventional reasonings. Dreams are a testing ground for those who have the courage to bring logical reasonings on events not present in the material realms, besides is this realm where influences from the Plejarens are often done to Earthly humans in order to bring about the necessary evolutionary process, then why can a person also influence their own dreams as well unless its a crime to do so? What would you have done Michael if the same situation occurred in your dream let this kid get raped by this nut, then some guilt would have been generated which does damage your psyche in the process even though in your words "as in actually intervened in REALITY"? | ||
Jacobus Member Post Number: 38 Registered: 07-2006 |
Hawaiian, You are joking right? Either you are joking or you are a crackpot. What you are talking about is disturbing stuff. Usually dreams develop as a result of our thinking and feeling in the daily life. May I suggest that you start focusing more on beneficial thoughts and not dwell on such fear and terror based issues. Surely it must make you feel horrible inside. I also sense a lot of anger and frustration from your side. You know as well as I that overpopulation is to blame. and will continue to be responsible for all this degeneration that is spreading like wild fire. Maybe you have personal issues that need to be sorted or something. Don’t get so excited over nonsense. | ||
Teesoft Member Post Number: 124 Registered: 01-2011 |
Hi Jacobus i am not am not a moderator but ( in a respectfull manner) i thinking calling someone a ''crackpot'' is not ok in any form......Though Hawaiin seem to be angry indeed from Michael's question which i see no reason to be angry too but nevertheless he does not deserve to be called names for giving his point of view.......Amd regarding religion i must state the following: No religion preach equality though due to western culture a bit of equality must have been incorporated in some country.....But on an overall look no religion whatsoever can condone with equality to true and honest form.......... Salome | ||
Markcampbell Member Post Number: 742 Registered: 10-2008 |
When you've been at this forum for a few years , you learn to just let people be themselves . Once you start getting confrontational with others whom you do not know , that's when you start to learn that all are not actually connected . You are an island , a solitary renegade , fighting against the natural right of everyone to express themselves honestly . Someday that island will change ; it will teach you and you will evolve . Till then , it's the World Federation of posting , and you are it's star . | ||
Kiwilove Member Post Number: 88 Registered: 02-2005 |
I would be sure that there would be many Muslims who are content with their religion and culture - and believe that everything is hunky dory with them, the same with Christians, Jews and other faiths. But if you want the truth - you have to be prepared to look outside of the world, you are in - to be fair and open minded. And to see things as they really are. But the truth is quite often not pretty and orderly, etc etc that mankind today, is generally far removed from that which is true. That it is actually quite simple to get to any truth - go with being fair and open, and don't be unfair and close-minded. But there are nasty things we all have to be aware of, and acknowledge - so that we can all change towards a better future. Over population is one of the key issues that need to be addressed. It perfectly illustrates that man must observe natural laws - otherwise, he is his own worse problem. And we must deal with this in a sane and sensible way - and not end up with a catastrophic event being the solution - and end for humanity. Harvey | ||
Bronzedesk Member Post Number: 65 Registered: 01-2011 |
http://content.hallmark.com/maxine/images/downloads/max_area51_800x600.jpg Seems reasonable to me now a days don't you think? "Creation doesn't give us what we want! We give creation what it ultimately needs! And anyone who never has made a mistake in his whole entire life has never ever tried to do anything new." | ||
Goodmanallen Member Post Number: 13 Registered: 01-2010 |
I've been having random thoughts of what seem to be inspiration lately in both dreams and while awake about writing a book. I would like to get input from the people of figu if using information directly relating to Billy and his life experiences would be acceptable. The material that has been published already has been a direct influence on me in this regard and I don't want to persue this inspiration if it would not be appropriate. I would greatly appreciate any and all input to be sure I would not be out of line with this endevor. | ||
Votan New member Post Number: 4 Registered: 12-2011 |
Mark Campbell You are spot on,people want to have their say.Sometimes they get carried away. joe | ||
Edward Member Post Number: 2364 Registered: 05-2002 |
Hi Guys... Jacobus and some others hit it on the spot. I can understand Hawaiian's frustration of today's affairs, and that he does, have to come over, being angry, etc., and that we must hoist ourselves beyond/ above such feelings and generate the needed: Equilibrium = Neutral Positive, way of being. Thinking of the Negative aspects puts one in the WORRY mode and we know what Billy tells us about 'worrying. Is only Negative Energy, which we should ban from our system, or else, it will 'decay' us even more...up to a point that it degrades our psyche, etc. The Positive aspects we should always accept with open arms. Which defines a positive evolution processing, and which we strive to achieve. No need, in being 'too happy' about it, but...we must be Modest and in Equilibrium and content with such out-come. Thus, the keyword here would be: Equilibrium = Neutral Positive, in manifestation. And still within the framework of Balance. [Not letting the Negative dominate(, you.)] Of course we can not solve all world problems, but we can STILL....create the needed Balance to coexist within the framework of: Equilibrium. Do not get me wrong, Hawaiian, I understand your point of view and frustrations: we all have been there before. And the more we read and study the Spirit(ual) Teaching(s), the more we comprehend and recognize its definitions, in our daily life...and how to cope with it; instead of going mad, so to speak. Edward. | ||
Melissa Member Post Number: 14 Registered: 01-2012 |
Thank you Edward, Your words are helping me see new perceptions on this topic. For instance, I have always believed that part of my accepting of good and bad meant that I must also expect and accept the experiences of good and the bad as well. By doing this, I put myself on a roller coaster of emotional ups-and-downs. After reading from Edward, "Is only Negative Energy, which we should ban from our system, or else, it will 'decay' us even more" I realize that it is not necessary for me to experience the bad by choice in order to accept that it exists. And, that it is more important for me to choose, create and experience the good. Not the extreme good for that would resemble the roller coaster effect. But a neutral positive good. Learning to control myself in such a way I think would only grant me more freedom and happiness. It's nice to know that it is OK and encouraged to avoid the negative processes/ideas/creations, but to also learn and practice being content (neutral positive) when presented with such results. And when we are presented with such or any results, I try to remember that choices are infinite and I am responsible for my choosing. -Melissa | ||
Kaiserphoenix Member Post Number: 20 Registered: 08-2011 |
Hi guys, its been awhile since I last posted here on the forums. I was busy reading over the contacts notes again, and doing further studies. I missed the "ask billy" session again, but I have one quick question I hope someone can help me with. Recently, I ran across some lectures provided by billy's friend Guido moosbruger. During the lectures, number 3/3 Guido talks about certain race's features and what they look like. It seems to me that it was a form of slideshow that was given to the occupants of the lectures. Does anyone have the pictures of the races that Guido described during the lectures? For those that do not know what I am talking about, here is the link to the Guido Moosbruger lectures. I can hear the voices but I cannot see the pictures. Can someone provide the pictures or point me in the direction of what these beings look like that Guido described? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=Z_FMU-0EC54 | ||
Kaiserphoenix Member Post Number: 21 Registered: 08-2011 |
Does anyone know? I have ask this question before, but I have not gotten any response. If I can just get pointed into the right direction I could do the research myself. | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 75 Registered: 08-2011 |
Kaiserphoenix it is not a sure thing that there were images shown of those beings during the talk that you refer to. It might have been the case that there were but it is not definite and it seems to me that the beings that BEAM saw on screens during the Great Trip would not be available to us in any case. I have also wondered about how Asina looked. She was the amphibian humanoid that BEAM encountered near his home at one point and again during a later contact. She was described but to my knowledge there exists no drawing of her. If I am wrong then I would like very much to see it! By the way, we are not ignoring you or anyone else usually if there is no response to the type of question you asked. It is just that we sometimes have no answer to offer :-) Have a great day!!! Thomas | ||
Kaiserphoenix Member Post Number: 22 Registered: 08-2011 |
Thank you for your response Thomas. I did not intend for my later post to seem as if I am being impatient, I was just saying that I have asked before but I cannot find any answers anywhere on here or the internet. I myself have also wondered what Asina looked like. I have read the contact notes and It describe her as being Amphibious, but this has only risen my curiosity even more to see pictures of her, her race, or many other races in person. Is it me but it seems the more you read the contact notes the more you just want to know about the Plejaren and all of our fellow brothers and sisters out there in the universe!! I read the contact notes twice, read many of the post on the forums, watch many of Billy's interviews but I still want more!!  I would like to take a visit to the Silver Star Center, but unfortantely money and timing is an issue for me especially living here in America where the knowledge level of many are not so up to par if you know what I mean. One quick question: It is often mention that our vibratory rates are lower than the plejaren in which we are dangerous to them, just as theirs are dangerous to us. How can one raise his/her vibratory rate? Like what steps must one take? | ||
Thomas Member Post Number: 76 Registered: 08-2011 |
I believe that the vibratory rate is not voluntarily controllable and that it raises automatically as we evolve. This is just my understanding however and I don't know if this is definitely correct so keep that in mind. I suggest doing a search on this forum for posts with the author names "Phaethonsfire" and "Jacob", then adding maybe different keywords to the search to narrow it down. There is huge amount of very specific info on this forum of good value and often it is very detailed, depending on the post. I hope this helps a little at least :-) | ||
Godshun New member Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2011 |
Greeting to all on this forum. I have a question which i would wish billy or someone on this forum can answer for me. I was doing research on extra terrestrials encounters and i came across doctor Jonathan reed. I wanted to know the purpose of the link artifact he was given from the grey he video taped and telepathically communicated with. |
