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Abdjlos
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Post Number: 9
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2012 - 02:59 pm: | 
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Ferbon it is better to offer words of truth even if only a part of what was being told was accepted than to have kept quiet and spoken nothing.
But I guess the value of silence could have been chosen since all of the other posts that were directed toward this person had fallen upon deaf ears.
Salome
It is Creations invisible and massive influence which as an unsolvable mystery brings about endless continuity and transformation.
-ARAHAT ATHERSATA
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Kiwilove
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Post Number: 116
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Friday, August 31, 2012 - 06:13 pm: |
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While I find certain parts of the information given to us from the Plejarens, via Billy Meier, very difficult to believe in - I would recomend Meier as being the prophet of our times, over any other, eg. Edgar Cayce, or any others...
That he (and the Plejarens) do say very sensible things, and give us dire warnings of our near future problems.
I would expect from an extraterrestrial source of information - that many startling pieces of information will come to light - that will challenge what we are taught already (via our normal earthly sources) - and certainly they are present within the Plejaren information.
And I would agree wholeheartedly that our religious people (leaders and followers, etc) and politicians tend to mislead us in the wrong direction altogether - and what they say are 'facts' are hardly facts at all...
And while our scientists try their best - even they can fail to admit their own lack of information - and they are merely guessing a lot of the time...
Anyway - the Billy Meier / Plejaren information will take a lifetime? to be familiar with, and to gradually understand what is given to us.
And I do recomend it over any other source - that is out there.
I already had to discard two previous sources - whom, I thought were enlightening, but no - they turned out to be red herrings, and misleading information (such as Lobsang Rampa, and Delores Cannon).
And I tend to agree with the many things that Meier has pointed out to be fights of fantasy and imagination, than anything real and genuine - eg. Philadelphia Experiment, Hollow Earth (although there is the admission of there is people (a race?) that lives underground on this Earth) - heaven and hell, etc etc).
Harvey |
Kiwilove
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Post Number: 117
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2012 - 03:45 pm: |
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For me, it is clear why our world religions are holding the world back from advancement and true knowledge, etc etc.
That they all fail to acknowledge the basic humanity in all of us, and acknowledge we are the same as each other - equal.
Religions divide the world, into believers and non-believers and conquer us.
Their foundation stones - are so obviously false, full of false ideas and misintrepretation. I was reading the testimony of Monsignor Corrado Balducci - who is a Vatican theologian, close to the Pope - making clear his Christian ideas and thoughts - courtesy of Gaiaguys, available on the futureofmankind.co.uk site. This makes clear why I have always been unimpressed by Christianity, and never wanted to join any church, even though I live in a Christian country.
To believe for example that angels were of a spiritual nature (and not of a physical form) - is but one of the many false ideas fostered by Christianity. And for 'God' to be the creator of the universe - another. Likewise for Jesus to be elevated to the status of Son of God, etc etc.
There are so many false ideas embraced by Christianity (and other religions are just as bad) - that people have to be brainwashed into believing these things are being true.
All religions break the basic humanity rule, which I have outlined above. That we are all the same, and all go to the same place, no matter what we have done. And for a peaceful planet - we have to get along with each other. Killing each other off, does not make any difference in the long run.
Harvey |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 783
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2012 - 10:53 pm: |
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When you think about the vast difference in thinking between the student of the Geisteslehre and the religeous person , it becomes evident that one is stuck in the past with the tide of the future smashing against the tiny vessel of tradition , while the other has evolved far ahead , somewhat like a beamship that travels in an unconventional manner at overwhelmingly fast speeds .
So , a 'working smarter not harder' , more efficient way of dealing with trolls and arguing skeptics ; a 'skeptic tank' , if you will .
Mach |
Treason
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Sunday, September 02, 2012 - 10:36 pm: |
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I am not here to troll but speak candidly about my thoughts on Meier. Initially I was very thrilled to learn about him because he actually provided evidence to prove his legitimacy--something religion failed to do.
But I learned that ALL of those evidences are disputed. Meier is even accused of plagirizing scientific magazines in his contact notes as if they were not known beforehand. So much for "corroborated evidence". If he has done it before he could still be doing it today (and not just in science)
Therefore I see that trusting Billy Meier is not logical; FIGU is no different than religious belief because amidst this controversy you either take Meier as prophet or you dont. Since there is no solid, undisputed evidence so decision on Meier's identity is NOT obvious.
Since Meier knows earthlings are so illogical surely he would wanted to show undisputed evidence to persuade sooo stupid and skeptical people like me. Fact that Meier isnt showing more evidence make me suspicious. |
Ferbon
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Post Number: 87
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Monday, September 03, 2012 - 07:05 am: |
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Treason,
I laughed so hard when I read your statements, so thanks for that.
Ask yourself why are you still posting here then?
Does Creation needs you? Do all of us need you? ..or other way around huh?
Why anyone would try to make you understand? Don't you know there is still no cure for the middle finger...
Last time I checked there was one enlightened person per 10 mln worms, so still some number to listen to your ramblings. So keep on rumbling if you missed the logic lessons.
Salome |
Justsayno
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Post Number: 475
Registered: 10-2009
| | Posted on Monday, September 03, 2012 - 07:59 am: |
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One day Treason when you are able to tap into your storage banks, you'll know. I don't think science knows anything about storage banks yet. But when they do, at least you will know for sure, that you heard it before they did.
Like your new name Mach, LOL. What speed of sound are you at now?
Good, better, best. May you never rest, until your good is better, and your better best.
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Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 118
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Monday, September 03, 2012 - 06:27 pm: |
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We all want solid concrete evidence that is irrefutable - but that will not be forthcoming.
Anyone delivering such evidence for any truth - will of course be under intense scrutiny.
It is kind of like the chicken and the egg situation, as to which came first?
Until this world is ready to accept the reality - that ETs exist and they have their technology (spaceships, etc etc) - formal (ie. acknowledgement in public) contact will not be possible.
Presently this world is not ready for it (but certain individuals are).
We can be thankful to Billy Meier - for at least giving anyone the opportunity (ahead of time) to start reading about it (what they always suspected).
We all have to decide what to personally believe in and why. If the Billy Meier information etc - is not to your liking, then so be it. Everyone is entitled to their own personal opinion, etc etc.
Harvey |
Mahigitam
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Post Number: 522
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 12:25 am: |
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Hi Treason, I understand where you are coming from. If you don't have any problem with continuing this with me through email, which I am happy to do it.. Mahigitam@gmail.com.
May be you will find some answers to your questions..
If you can find a path with no obstacles, it probably doesn't lead anywhere - Frank A. Clark
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Treason
Member
Post Number: 13
Registered: 08-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 01:07 am: |
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or oneday you will realize that you have believed in hoax for so many years even though there are plenty of logical findings that discredit ALL the "evidence" Meier showed.
Your belief in Meier is no more logical than blind belief of passionate churchgoers . No matter what evidence against Meier critics show you simply wont believe it because you made up your mind already. You will say that those people are illogical, deevolved, and incapable of discernment. Meanwhile you will blindly believe in everything Meier says. Am I wrong?
Fact that all of Meier's evidence are disproved seriously undermines his credibility. Why not show UNDISPUTED EVIDENCE to the world if he really is prophet? If you want to spread truth to the skeptical world, you should show proofs!
Tell me then, why is Meier not showing more proofs that he is right? |
Villatlf
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Post Number: 42
Registered: 02-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 08:36 am: |
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Hello, Treason.
I think you have the right to be skeptical (as you call yourself). It would be not respectful from my side to try to convince you of something that do not fit in your own experiences and believes. I found this FIGU forum interesting because I can see different points of views, some of them contrary to mine… I think it gives me a wider view of the reality. I have seen UFOS a couple of times, so I feel all around Billy very solid, but I know some people have not had this opportunity, so they see the world from a different perspective (I am no saying you are in one or another position… because I do not know you).
You have pointed out something very important to me: why Billy and the Plejaren do not show a crystal clear evidence to demonstrate that all of this is true? I know some non-ethical skeptics manipulated evidence to falsely demonstrate Billy is a hoax. But more intriguing to me, is why in some cases the Plejaren themselves “do something” to make the evidence less clear? I am referring to: (1) Some trees where Beamships were flying around, were disappeared, so you cannot check the videos or photos with real trees, (2) A beamship is making pendulum movements, so it looks like a model hold in a cable ; (3) In some occasions Semjase damaged the films in Billy camera because the photos were not authorized. (3) When Wendelle Stevens came back from Switzerland with a copy of the video of the pendulum beamship around a tree, some reporters try to film it from Wendelle Steven’s copy, but their equipment was damaged… and Wendelle attributed it to a UFO flying close to his home (see Supplementary Investigation report). And you may find other examples like this… So, for some reason, the evidence has to be not too clear. Why?
I know cases of people seriously affected by watching UFOs. If the evidence is too clear, it may cause damage in the mind of several people. (I know cases were it happened). Imagine you are a space traveler, and you go to another planet were people there does not have a conscience level to understand that you exists, and you travel trough the stars. Will you harm these people by presenting your self in front of them?
So my personal answer to these questions is that we are, as humanity, not ready to accept ET life yet. It will take time, and later on the evidence will be more and more clear. It may take 600 years (less than the average life span of a Pleyaren). So the ETs are not hurry. Why we have to be hurry?
The real question here, is why you want to see clear evidence of the ETs existence? Maybe something interesting is moving inside you. May be you want a change in the humanity. I have learned we need to be very patience, even wait several lives to see a real change in humanity.
Please do not go away from this forum. Keep posting, and I suggest be open to hear other people experiences, so, we jointly, we will be learning more and more everyday.
Peace,
Francisco
(and sorry if my English is not clear enough) |
Blake_p
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 07-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 01:04 pm: |
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Treason,
U continue to ask the same questions,but have failed to come up with any opposing questions or answers on your own,meaning, psychologically speaking, why would Billy spend 45 years of his life writing words of knowledge,truth, and hope for the future for others and not try to benefit financially, i mean he makes money,but hardly any compared to what he could do being the most famous individual in ufo circles. Why would he continuously and tirelessly keep getting his message out to the public when he has had someone tried to kill him 21 times. People do not do that,anyone else in the world who is hell bent on living the greatest lie/hoax would not want to die just to convince people he's not lying,that's beyond ludicrous and illogical. He has had many opportunities to cash in and denied them because they would have distorted the truthfulness of his words and or story,doesn't sound like a profiteer to me. Lets just play devils advocate real quick and be hypothetical, everything is fake,the pictures,the videos, whatever, when have you read through something Billy said ,and thought, that was completely wrong,never for me, and i've had many questions about why things were done certain way throughout my time reading everything. And if you can direct me to a book or person that can duplicate or even come close to the exceptional nature of the spiritual teaching,then please enlighten me.
Lastly to answer one of your questions, why is there no undeniable evidence; How about in the 1920's or 30's,not sure of the date, when Orson Wells decided to broadcast War of the Worlds on the radio. People went into hysteria and panic because they really thought that aliens were invading the earth.Some people even died. You may say well that was a hundred years ago but really nothing has changed, just that we have more and better technology now.Most of the world is still unbelievably institutionalized!!! Either they won't believe it, or they can't believe it no matter what's in front of their face,even if you can. It would literally turn their world upside down,crushing everything they've ever known, so it has to be slow and steady so people can come to their own conclusions and revelations that will beneficial to them, not harmful. Hope you find what you are looking for my friend. |
Matt
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Post Number: 264
Registered: 04-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 01:15 pm: |
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Your belief in Meier is no more logical than blind belief of passionate churchgoers .
Treason, you don't know what your talking about. That is NOT whats going on with Billy Meier followers/researchers. |
Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 88
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 01:26 pm: |
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Treason
Did you copy/paste your previous post?
Great many members here could easily list/prove/explain what you're demanding, but it's pointless. Making it easy for you is also unjustified and harmful to many others who spend years studying, ..you know what studying is?
Any mental case in the subway can come up with your horse sh...and make it even funny... can't you at least be entertaining? discover books, make educated argument, learn how to ask questions...till then you really wasting time here mate. |
Joe
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Post Number: 208
Registered: 11-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 10:47 am: |
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Treason,
Here you'll find information reagarding the Meier material that has been corroborated.
Scientific Facts Corroborated (Video): http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Scientific_Facts_Corroborated
More Corroborations: http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Will_Humanity_Wake_Up%E2%80%A6In_Time%3F |
Kiwilove
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Post Number: 119
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 01:46 pm: |
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A truth teller does not profit from telling the truth, but when lies are told, there is profit in that.
You do not see Billy Meier travelling in luxury cars and planes, etc - nor did he choose to seek publicity for his own sake.
But in setting up a spiritual centre - there will be the need for funds for that...
There are a lot of people who pose as being a spiritual leader, but that is all show, and of no substance. Upon closer inspection and inquiry you will get a clearer view.
Sadly Billy Meier is featured on that documentary "The 10 Greatest Hoaxes of the World" or some such title. However with the Billy Meier segment, they did not do their homework, because the Billy Meier critic (who is Billy's well known critic) does not stand up to inspection as to honesty and integrity, and is a hoaxer himself - so you always have to be careful as to whose testimony is valid and accurate...
Harvey |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 786
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 06:37 pm: |
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It's OK , Treason , go back to whatever you were doing before you started to hornet this peaceful group of like-minded thinkers .
ONE SENTENCE. |
Abdjlos
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Post Number: 11
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Tuesday, September 04, 2012 - 04:35 pm: |
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Treason if you have noticed nobody here is trying to deter you from what your own views or anything of the such but rather widen your perspective to see what else is beyond your opinions. I personally try to rid my self of my opinions because opinions contain within themself bias views where no new truth can be found, illogic, hate, and even fear. Im not saying i have mastered the art of neutral-positive thinking but i continually strive for it. All im saying is that you should not confirm or deny any of the Meier material until you have found concrete proof that it is either of falseness or truthfulness. Be observant to what is being presented to you and do not go based off what anyone here who trusts the material says because they have their own reasons for saying its true nor should you base your facts off the skeptics who have their own reasons for saying its a hoax because if you do and someone asks you why it is a hoax all you have is what was told to you and not from your own knowledge and experience. No i am not saying turn either side away but listen to what they have to say and dont subject your self to fall into their words by pure belief because there is no self knowledge in this; you should rather seek, search and question everything presented to you then and only then will you come to your own conclusion of pure truthful truth and confirm for yourself wether it is true or not.
I myself do not believe in the Meier material but rather trust in its truthfulness until i can leave the trust behind and turn it into self knowledge. The difference between trust and belief in my perspective is that trust is hearing what is told to me and while staying neutral find out if it has its roots in fact or falsehood either way I can not lose because if i find out it is true then i can use it in my life as growth and prosperity and if i come to know it is false then i know why it is not true and develope further. A belief is accepting something as true with out trying to find out for yourself wether it is true or not thus you gain no knowledge of how it works why its works ect this is dangerous because if it is false and you bring that into your life it could cause problems and when they arise you have no clue as to why the problem arose in the first place. Lastly if you follow by pure belief you further your self in no way because you lack the necessary components for development.
If you have not noticed I am not trying to persuade you either way but trying to get you to find your own path to the truth.
Salome
Let the light of wisdom permeate through the consciousness so that no shadow of unknowingness may be found.
- Dj Acker
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Ferbon
Member
Post Number: 89
Registered: 05-2012
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 07:04 am: |
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"Everything must be explained and be presented in a rewritten form, whereby the human is stirred to thought and begins to search.
Only through his research does he find possibilities of an interpretation and, in that way, slowly recognises the truth.
...Were he not spoken to in parables and prophesies...he would make no effort to do his own thinking and he would also want to change the future ..." Billy
excerpts from Asket's Explanations part 5,
Salome |
Votan
Member
Post Number: 36
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Wednesday, September 05, 2012 - 10:24 pm: |
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Treason
It is OK to believe what you perceive to be the truth.The more you talk about it the more you know that you are right.Keep convincing yourself.
joe
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Calenwath
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 04-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 06:13 am: |
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Just wanted to give a quick hello. This is Shane from the Friends of BEAM and FIGU Facebook page. Welcome to all new message board members! So good to see you posting Piyali! Welcome Orphelia and others. I still get every message board post sent to me via email and read all posts. Great discussions. Thoughts of Love and Peace for you all. Saalome! |
Kiwilove
Member
Post Number: 120
Registered: 02-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 03:54 pm: |
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It is interesting to note what things Billy Meier say, is false - and that of fantasy.
For example - that mediums do not communicate with 'spirits' as such, and that the information they reveal (those mediums who can bring forth interesting information from a supposed 'spirit') is via ESP or such means.
That the whole idea of those passed on, are living another life, in the spirit world - simply isn't true.
That with reincarnation - there is no karma present. Also we do not pop up on other worlds, via reincarnation, but are tied to the planet you have died on. (Conversely space travellers are the only ones who reincarnate elsewhere...)
And reading the answer to the question - What is the Universal Material Belt? And about 'the Creation' will give you some idea whether you can believe in what Billy Meier writes about, and the information the Plejarens give us...
Time will tell, whether Billy Meier is correct or not? Those of us, who have had the decades lifelong interest in matters of the unexplained, Ufos, etc etc - know that information is slowly being revealed all the time - and that it is a slow, slow process because of how close minded many people are - and of the reluctance of our many establishments (religions, science, educational and academic authorities, etc etc) that fail in their jobs, to keep the world informed, but instead keep us misinformed, for the sake of their jobs and prestige, etc.
Harvey |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 788
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 12:27 am: |
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That's a lot of letters , for a simple mind . |
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