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Blake_p
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 07-2012
Posted on Thursday, September 06, 2012 - 08:19 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

If anybody gets a chance,and or is interested in this years election,which they should be for many reasons, watch Pres Obama's speech at the DNC last night. The first time i have been moved and actually proud of one of our political leaders. Finally, a thoughtful,rational,logical,caring individual who happens to be, the, or one of the most powerful people in the world. It pretty much sounded like a speech right out of the Figu playbook. I'm not implying that he hasn't been such the whole time,just was good stuff,worthy of superlatives. For all our sakes and the rest of the world too,i hope he is re-elected. It will be a greek tragedy of epoch proportions if not.
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Treason
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 08-2012
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2012 - 08:59 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

deleted unnecessary language...... so many things posted since last time I came...all right here it goes

@Ferbon you yourself are making no educated argument by disparaging me. Anyone with imagination can come up with stories like Billy's. Its called Fiction and all it has to do it to connect some grain of reality with a theory. Conpiracy theories are popular especially if they base themselves on facts.

@Joe Those corroborations are not proofs because Meier have been accused of plagirizing material from scientific and other scholarly articles, pretending as if he knew them.

@Kiwilov You say Billy doesn't profit from his teachings, as evidenced by "you dont see Billy Meier travelling in luxury cars and planes, etc"
-Not everyone desires money. I believe some mentally ill people (Billy Meier did go to mental) just want fame and sense of self-importance. His "proofs" did just that

Also close mindedness have nothing to do with slowness of people's understanding of real world. Its just that they are UNAWARE of alternative media and they have been told big lies by education and gov. If someone as socially credible as president came clean and told truth then people will start believing.

@Abdjilos You say "I personally try to rid my self of my opinions because opinions contain within themself bias views."
That sounds as if you ignore your intution about sense of right or wrong. It sound as if you believe in everything BIlly says, even if it contradicted your previous belief, just because Billy is prophet and HE CANT BE WRONG. Do you agree? Maybe when that happens you jsut find info that agrees with what Meier says and ignores mountain of other info that disagrees (like Billy saying pets do more harm than good).That is not logical and I will never do that.

Amidst these arguments and counterarguments for hoax Billy meier, all of this could be resolved if Billy could show conclusive eviddence examined by credible scientists. He didnt do that so I am inclined to believe Billy is liar.

@ Blake_p Some people do not care about financial profit, they only want fame and recognition. There is no proof that there were assassinations. Some mentally ill people develop illusions and lies to make fake reality that appeals to them. That can go for many many years

I DO AGREE that Mass media and government often manipulates public. That doesnt mean I should trust Meier over Alex Jones, Victor Thorn or Steven Quayle, who always backup their theories with facts and doesnt present useless contact notes about planetary movements that have no relevance to earth whatsoever.

You say "it would literally turn their world upside down,crushing everything they've ever known, so it has to be slow and steady". NO it doesnt, there are hundreds of millions regularly listening to Alex Jones--truth (about manipulative nature of gov at least) doesnt have to go slow and steady, it just needs to be out to public.

(Message edited by indi on September 08, 2012)


(Message edited by indi on September 08, 2012)
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Treason
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 08-2012
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2012 - 09:32 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

The most compelling reason why I think FIGU members like Obama is because Billy thinks of him as greatest president of all times. His opinion made people tried to look for Obama's best achievements and neglect anything else.

See what Obama did during his presidency:
1) assassinated American citizen w/o trial (Anwar al-Awlaki), blatant violation of 5th Amendment

2) assault on the First Amendment¡¯s religious liberties by contraceptivve mandate in obamacare
which goes against Catholic teachings

3) obamacaer mandate to have health insurance. Federal Judge Henry E. Hudson said that the government has no power ¡°to compel an individual to involuntarily enter the stream of commerce by purchasing a commodity in the private market.¡±

4) Obama signed global internet censorship even worse than SOPA (which outraged MANY Americans)
To make this work, Obama presented it as "executive agreement" so it doesnt have to be confirmed by Senate. He is using power not granted by Constitution

5) Obama signed executive order which grants eligible illegal immigrants reprieve from deportation and work-authorization papers. A Power not given by Constitution

Read more: http://www.hawaiireporter.com/president-obamas-top-10-constitutional-violations/123
http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/27/the-top-10-violations-of-the-constitution-by-obama-and-the-111th-congress/#ixzz25tdVkNeC

and many more...
http://dailycaller.com/2010/12/27/the-top-10-violations-of-the-constitution-by-obama-and-the-111th-congress/

If Meier originally said Obama is evil many of you would have totally different opinion of him right now. Obama is charismatic, power-hungry speaker who ignored the constitution he pledged to uphold. A true danger to American democracy.
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Ramirez
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Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 02:11 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"If Meier originally said Obama is evil many of you would have totally different opinion of him right now. Obama is charismatic, power-hungry speaker who ignored the constitution he pledged to uphold. A true danger to American democracy."

But not as great a danger as the lunatic nominated by the other party.

The lesser of evils and he is not really an evil, rather frustrated and constrained from achieving many of the worthwhile things he would wish by unseen powers behind the office of president which in reality have greater control and power concerning the direction policy and elected officials than most imagine possible.

If you think Obama is a bad apple .... what will happen if the alternative is elected to office ?
Cheers.
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Scott
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Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 02:44 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Treason,

If Billy had stated Bush was the greatest president the US population had ever elected, do you believe everyone who supports Billy and the Mission would be in complete agreement? Do you think people are capable of independent thought? Billy is a human being and does not claim to know everything, but I would trust his opinion more than most politicians, wouldn't you?
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Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 149
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Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 08:08 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Treason, you make me laugh.

I wish I were laughing with you.
Life
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Blake_p
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Post Number: 16
Registered: 07-2012
Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 01:15 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Don't worry Michaelhelfert i am laughing with u! there is really no reason to address this any more. Treason thinks we are all delusional and because we choose to believe in Meier and we're all walking around like zombies who have been somehow hypnotized by Billy, that we wake up in the morning asking him to grant wishes in our lives like the magicians and genies(god) in the sky everyone else seems to think exists,some puppeteer pulling all our strings.Everyone here is trying to make the best changes in and for themselves that they can in order to make a difference in this lunacy that we call Earth. What could be more valuable than that. I know the truth because i have experienced the positive difference it has made in my life.There's my evidence. I am accepting of all other peoples opinions,so you are entitled to yours,and we will just have to disagree.Good luck with those other people that everyone listens to and i wonder what profound spiritual teaching they have dedicated their life to writing for humanity.
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Corey
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Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 03:58 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Treason,

Is your whole point of posting on this forum to simply sow discord and save people from Billy and Obama? That is illogical and irrational to do that on a FIGU forum. If your "belief" systems can't handle what Billy says don't come on here and make it other peoples problems.
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Ramirez
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Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 07:56 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"Treason thinks we are all delusional and because we choose to believe in Meier and we're all walking around like zombies who have been somehow hypnotized by Billy, that we wake up in the morning asking him to grant wishes in our lives like the magicians and genies(god) in the sky everyone else seems to think exists,some puppeteer pulling all our strings."

The golden calf of figu.
Cheers.
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Votan
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Post Number: 37
Registered: 12-2011
Posted on Sunday, September 09, 2012 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Treason

I agree with Corey stop posting your silly and irrational comments.If you do not like what Billy says and stands for thats fine ,it is a free country.
joe
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Edward
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Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 01:06 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Treason and All....

Treason, I think many on this board have stated excellent insights and KNOW
the Meier Case MORE than you do. Which, should be respected. Many have
studied the Meier Case, much longer than you, and thus KNOW more facts than
you. Ok, sometimes, one may not understand what Billy/Plejarans are trying to
get across to you, but, YOU as an individual must conduct some research of
your own. You have to put the puzzle together, YOURSELF! Billy, Plejarans let
us THINK for ourselves.

Comparing all that Billy and the Plejarans have revealed with some sort of
Cult Religion is quite hitting the ball out of the field, 'deliberately'!
If you keep the ball in the game...than, you will know what the game is all
about. No use in hitting a home run...when you do not know what the game is
about.

What Billy teachings is the PURE Form of Nature/Creation, and NOT some
distorted Cult Religion Indoctrination, like our mainstream Judeo/Catholic/
Christian, which is Plagiarized from here-to-yonder! Thanks to those self
proclaimed Jewish Priests and many after them. Perhaps, (t)here is where you
see/notice the similarities in both teachings? The Judeo/Catholic/
Christianity STOLE it(Spirit[ual] Teaching[s]) from Jmmanuel, and altered it
all for their own benefit and lies, and what not. And thanks to them: we are
in the Religions wars were are now at/in!! THINK about that!??


Obama, well, I would agree, I do not agree with all things he is doing. I
mentioned this before. But, as the Plejarans have mentioned 'he too' will
make mistakes of his own, which is a part of his Evolving process; just like
every human being, making mistakes and to LEARN from. And, Obama is a change
of Presence. Which the USA truly needed!! First BLACK President: WOW, be
proud you live in a country that made this a reality!! When, the USA in the
past, was ruled/governed by only WHITE Presidents. CHANGE, truly plotted out
destiny! And destiny....CHANGE!

As I once said here before: I would not like to be in Obama's shoes; you have
to try and please everybody, which is quite a big task to do and to fulfill.

So, I think, even though we do not like certain things he does...still we
should respect him. I guess, he is just trying to balance out everything so
that everyone is pleased. There is allot of issues he also had to solve which
are Effects from his predecessors. Thus, we can not push those things in his
shoes, no? Thus: 'give the man....a break', I would say.


Edward.
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Joe
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Post Number: 210
Registered: 11-2008
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 01:08 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Treason,

If you want to be skeptical with the Meier material then so be it. However I do suggest that you do some research.

Read Solar's post regarding 3 scientists and their incredibly inexpensive energy source which I think is indeed interesting.

http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/14/2679.html?1347184613#POST62007
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Elreyjr
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Post Number: 302
Registered: 01-2009
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 05:28 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Treason,

I wanted to give you evidence that someone's name affects his personality but could not as yet. I guess with your resourcefulness you can easy search for it.

just bumped into the following phrases from the Talmud Jmmanuel Chapter 19, so let me offer it. maybe, you are in a very good position to apply it on your behalf because it seems the soil you have around are not fertile enough for your teaching:

18. "If your neighbor does not listen and continues to be enslaved by a lack of understanding, leave that person be, for they are not worthy of your teaching, once you have done everything possible.

"19. "It is better to let an unreasonable person walk on the path of misery than to bring confusion to one's own consciousness.

20. "Truly I say to you, the heavens will collapse before an unreasonable person can be taught reason; therefore, beware of such persons.

21. "Sow the seeds of wisdom on fertile soil where they can germinate,

22. "because only the germinated seed will bring forth fruit.""

hope you are enjoying your sweet time in this forum. Peace and goodwill.

Jun
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Skyrim
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Post Number: 29
Registered: 06-2012
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 04:10 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

"I wanted to give you evidence that someone's name affects his personality"

Hi Elreyjr, what do you mean by this? How could someones name affect their personality?

phil
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Colorado_dirk
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 10-2007
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 05:38 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh Treasonous one,

How aptly you named yourself, well done. Do everyone a favor please and stop posting around here all together. Read more, write less please.

Be sure to leave your luggage at the door, wherever you may go... and do go in peace.

d
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Stephen_moore
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Post Number: 324
Registered: 01-2009
Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 03:41 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Salome all

A passive member and myself are currently working on a French website with French translations of Figu material and other related articles written by Figu members.

We was both at the SSSC in August this year and Billy gave the ok, go ahead, to do this.

It is hoped that the website will be completed and ready to be let loose to the French speaking world in a month or 2.

This website is not an official Figu website but is the first website in French dedicated to the mission and the spiritual teaching.

Salome
www.ufofacts.me.uk - www.thecircleforhumanity.net
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Elreyjr
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Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 01:42 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hello Skyrim,

as I have said I could not as yet give Treason evidence. the least I could do is to relate it with this statement made by Ptaah from cr 236:

"244. The meanings of these names, however, are all very negative, which is why they only find use with humans who live in degeneracy and only exist with peoples whose development and compliance in matters of truth and true evolution are still on primitive levels."

you may wish to read further up to line 248 for some meaning of names. the P's names relate to certain meaning also. please note that there was mention of a Book of Names prepared by Billy which is not available from fom site.

thanks for your interest.

Jun
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Kiwilove
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 04:11 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have been reading on and off the Meier information for almost the past 10 years. It is certainly not possible to assess it within a short period of time - as there is so much wide and varied information within it.

I've only read recently what Meier (or rather the Plejarens) say about Roswell - and it is illuminating.
The Henoch prophecies are a very frightening read - I am puzzled though in which it obviously describes much of what is in the far future - yet some other events are uncomfortably close.

I wonder whether the Henoch prophecies should be widely publicly spread? That the more people know of these specific events - the more unlikely they will come true?
The only way to eliminate the possibility of a third world war, is to be anti-war, and to not glorify past wars and the military. That war is never justified or justifiable - and for peace and harmony to be with us, is that we have to get along with everyone else, no matter what their beliefs are. And to be totally against violence (ie. terrorism and murder, etc etc) in any way.
The assassination of Bin Laden was in no way noble - but a very cowardly way to do it.
Was Bin Laden really behind the events of 9-11 --- or was he simply the scapecoat the US administration wanted him to be?

Harvey
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Votan
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 04:31 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Kiwilove

I still believe that Bin Laden is not dead.Somebody should ask Billy if he knows.The same goes for Sadam Hussein. I read an article in the Nexus magazine how 2 planes took off with a number of vehicles on board before the second war.
joe
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Treason
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 04:04 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I too find it entertaining to come here. Its so easy to paint someone as illogical without offering your own rational counterargument isnt it?

@Blake You say "I know the truth because i have experienced the positive difference it has made in my life.There's my evidence." But consider this...countless Protestant and Catholic Pentacostals who feel that Holy Spirit is guiding their lives for brotherly love and harmony. Or Buddhists who say practicing their religion gives them sense of peace and timelessness. Or Scientologists who believe that Scientology "saved" their lives from drug addiction and alcoholism. Surely they would all agree religion made positive change in their lives. Your belief in Meier is emotional, not logical so that is not different from passionate religious believers.

@Corey lol so my disagreement make you feel like you have problems? I doubt that I can convert any of you to disown Billy, that would be tantamount to converting pro-choice crowd to pro-life. It's not realistic, you and others believe in this material for so long so considering alternative theories would seem threatening.

@Elreyjr Sureee, so just because I rationally argued for Meier hoax mean I am too stupid for understanding right? So is skepticism definition of infertile soil? By the way, quoting Contact Report and Talmud of Jmmanuel seem like you are blindly and passively accepting them as truth. How is that different from quoting Bible to justify one's viewpoints? Where is evidence that Meier actually found Talmud instead of fabricating it? ..and Rose by any other name would still smell sweet, and my name isnt Treason.

@Scott,
Fine I agree people are capable of independent thought. But consider this: if you TRULY TRULY believed in Meier you would agree people shouldnt keep pets. Yet there are so much scientific studies that suggest having pets is beneficial. So how would you reconcile this discrepancy?
(1) assume scientists are wrong since Meier is always right
(2) ignore the scientific evidence
(3) accept Meier is wrong--but wait how could it be since Plejarians themselves told him this? So this is not pleasant alternative

So if you truly, truly believe Meier is who he claims to be, you logically must believe scientists are wrong--because Meier cant be wrong!
I dont trust Meier in politics.

@Edward
You and others may have studied the Meier Case much longer than me. But it doesnt make sense that Meier isnt showing uncontroversial evidence (thru established scientists) to prove his claim as alien contactee.

You say Billy and the aliens want me to think for myself to decide if BIlly is right. Balderdash! Then why did they show the world the "proofs" of UFOs? Meier wanted to persuade the world, so why has he stopped? Convert the world and the people will be on highway for higher development. People readily follow when they uphold their leader unquestionably. So many critics have discredited Meier...Meier is fool if he doesnt show undisputable evidence when he can.

I believe Billy Meier stole ideas from spritual teachings of major religions, alien theories from Erich von Daniken and science fiction.

Religions are beliefs without evidence.
Billy Meier theories are beliefs with heavily, heavily, heavily disputed evidence. That is hardly better. So you need to rely on belief rather than logic to trust Billy Meier. That is parallel I see btw Meier and many religions.

And I DONT need to be proud to live in US, which itself created disgusting racism that haunted the history. Slavery existed elsewhere earlier but it was in US where novel concept of slaves less than human being and racial stereotypes came about. And look what happened to all poor North Americans, Chinese workers prevented from brining women so they can have family, or Irish immigrants considered equivalent to black until their population exploded. Even today racism is masked by American Dream that media so strongly promotes.

As for Obama...so just because he has difficult tasks to fill we should justify his blatant transgression on Constitution? One step toward martial law! Forcing Bradley Manning stripped naked in humilitation is trying to please everybody?
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Corey
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Treason,

You posting here doesn't make me feel like I have problems, on the contrary it makes me glad I followed up my early skepticism with research. Your posts don't threaten me one bit.

Have you even bothered to read the supplemental investigation reports, Billy provided evidence through established scientists a long 30 years ago and Wendell and crew spent $100,000 (late 70's early 80's currency $100,000 was more money then versus today) of their own money following up the investigation. Same thing goes for Wendell's comments on the "Meier case update 2006" which disputes skepticism, Demonstrationsflüge DVD, "Das Zeugenbuch" is chock full of witnesses etc.

The information is all out there you would just have to broaden your sources outside the internet like many off us did when we started. Your not the first person to be skeptical, and you won't be the last. Case closed.

One of the US's biggest athiesm foundations (Freedom From Religion Foundation) is with Obama on the contraceptive issue, as a self proclaimed athiest don't you think you are leading a double standard by arguing Obama's regulation go against the Catholic Church? You would think an atheist would say the church needs to be challenged.

Billy's statements about overpopulation and global warming are verified by credible people outside the "Meier sphere" such as Lester Brown of Earthpolicy.org ("Plan 4.0 B") and "when the rivers run dry" by Fred Pearce just to name a few.

Saying Obama is trampling on the Constitution is just a matter of perspective. If your for him you will say he isn't and if your against him you will say he is, so your opinion isn't truth but remains in the sphere of an opinion.

Thinking that terrestrial scientists can't be wrong when Meier might be right is foolish. Terrestrial scientists are wrong all the time, some say global warming is a hoax, when more and more crazy weather and record heat indexes are happening all the time. Scientists argue that nuclear power plants are "safe" (what about the waste and danger if we lose our grid?). Even though the negative effects of overpopulation are known among scientists, they claim our population will stop at 9 billion in the year 2050 which is false. Not all scientists are alike, and many are hindered by religious thinking, and sometimes scientists retract previous statements when they make new discoveries, realizations, and cognitions. Like everyone, scientists are evolving and many have a long way to go to catch up to Billy.

According to Ptaah, to say Billy's teaching is like a sect or religion stems from religious thinking (pamphlet "Ptaah's Worte" ). People that study Billy's teachings don't rely on belief, but rely on the knowledge of a personal, independent investigation.

As for Billy's teaching being spread to the masses, the people of earth are too far misled and subjegated by religions, governments, politics, secret services, that if Billy's teaching went directly to the masses, the people would take the reigns of earth themselves and liberate themselves from everything negative, and set up everything based on the laws and recommendations of Creation, and the oppressors/suppressors will never let that happen. An example of this is the CIA has known about the Meier case since the 1970's, and switched photographs of Billy's while at the film developers etc., they know it's real but suppress the information.

You close your mind to being more knowledgeable about the Meier case so I don't see the point in offering any counter arguments, what's your plan to counter argue every post directed at you every few days for the rest of your life, keeping the cycle going indefinitely? I don't see what is so stimulating for you to argue this all out and it's a hinderence for me that it's pointless to refer you to any German sources in my counter arguements.

Salome

Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Matt
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Bin Laden was a diabetic who regularly needed to be hooked up to a kidney dialysis machine. Diabetics who are on dialysis generally don't have long to live, say 5 to 10 years maximum. I learnt this from my diabetic step father who passed away from diabetic complications. So there is a chance that those rumours about Bin laden already passing away a while ago could be true.

On a side note (as well as this section being Misc. Discussions on FIGU) I'm shocked to hear about Figu moderator Jacob Smits wrong doings and departure. I learnt so much from his contributions in the spiritual teachings sections. Hopefully he'll overcome his flaws and return in the not too distant future.
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Phi_spiral
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Posted on Sunday, September 16, 2012 - 10:07 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Treason

It has been explained in the material, that the Plejarens have purposely avoided providing indisputable proof such as landing a spacecraft or appearing in a public forum for the whole world to see or any other such, "beyond-a-shadow-of-doubt" scenario as you are pining for, for very good reason. For one, they know they would become a crutch, with earth man expecting them to help solve all their problems for them. Some would even venerate them to the point of idolatry, elevating them onto a god-like mantel. Yet others still would find it an affront to the very stability of their psyche. That makes perfect sense to me.

Mr. T, you write in your previous post, “I doubt that I can convert any of you to disown Billy, that would be tantamount to converting pro-choice crowd to pro-life.” Yet it is clearly obvious by the screen name you have chosen to post under and the context of your posts themselves, that you have had a contentious agenda all along.

If you were to explore the writings of Meier further, you would come to a discourse he has written explaining why you cannot convince anyone of anything. Nor should you want to. Everyone must follow their own path of spiritual evolution at the pace of their own choosing. The free-will of the individual is very important in the spirit teaching. To enter into a forum such as this one with the explicit agenda of creating such contention shows disrespect for that free will.

Not only do you enter a crowded room shooting from the hip but there are no bullets in your gun. The arguments that you think you are making are not even true, leaving everyone scratching their heads. For instance, you wrote that Billy said that having pets was bad. That’s just not true. He simply said if you have pets, its better not to share your living space with them and certainly not your sleeping quarters for health reasons. He also recommends washing your hands after petting an animal. But that’s almost common sense really.

From what I have read of your posts, there is not a single so-called argument presented by you that has not already been addressed either on this forum, in the FIGU Bulletins, TheyFly.com or the FIGU website, so there’s really no point in any of us regurgitating it for you. You really don’t have to believe any of it anyway.

But if you want to read the best book that I personally have read about the power of thoughts, check out Billy’s, Macht der Gedanken (The Might of Thoughts) which will soon have an English translation available by the Australian Study Group. Or read Die Psyche or Introduction to Meditation. Or Billy’s, The Art of Living. Or read his book about rebirth, life, death, and grief. He has one called, Annäherung an die Wirklichkeit, (Approach to Reality) that I think you might like, too. Almost haiku like in its insight, and wabi-sabi in its aesthetic. And if you can read Meditation aus klarer Sicht or Ein Quentchen Wissen, Sinn und Weisheit (A tiny bit knowledge, sense and wisdom) without feeling like the cobwebs have been cleaned out of your cranium, then we are probably living on different planets anyway.

The proof is in the pudding. Everything else is just pablum.

Regards
Bob

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