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Johnnybalmain
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Post Number: 167
Registered: 11-2007
Posted on Sunday, November 10, 2013 - 07:49 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Matt
Yes you are correct but each to their own pace. I have no wish to prove anything to anyone about Billy. I am content within myself that what little I know has helped me greatly in living my life. It is a work in progress but I now cope better and enjoy it more, life that is. If anyone enquires I ask them if they think they have an open mind first then suggest Billy's writings.
Have a nice day.
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Celesco
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Post Number: 67
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Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2013 - 07:11 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have an idea to help improve the quality of learning that is able to take place here on the forum. To be sure, it is fortunate that Billy is willing to set aside the time to answer our questions, however I am noticing a trend where the questions posed to Billy are of little value even to the person posing the qustion, and instead only serve to satiate somebody's curiosity regarding some obscure thing which, frankly, has little to no relevance to the goal of learning, and living by, the spirit teaching. I see many good, sincere inquiries lost in a sea of non-sequitors, and there is little doubt in my mind that the members of Figu are aware of the trivialness in answering so many questions about things simply for the sake of somebody's earnest curiosity.

I don't want to propose that the mods here start censoring others because everybody deserves an opportunity to be heard - so, rather than call for an aggressive filtering process, can we all please be more aware of the intent behind our questions to Billy? Please be aware that many people turn to the prophet because they find themselves at a crossroads, and therefore intend to speak, be answered, and then get on with their learning, Yet many such students must now wait for an incredibly long time because there are so many questions that are not relevant to anybody's personal progress. I have made the mistake of wasting time on trivial topics here on the forum myself - but please, everyone, consider that Billy's time is sacred because it represents a great opportunity to resolve any uncertainty by addressing simple, sincere concerns in an acute, readily accessible form. Therefore, it shouldn't be used as an outlet for scholarly pursuits since the Figu archive is more appropriately structured for this purpose instead. Furthermore, all of the information that we need to evolve is already contained in the archive, so it is pointless to pester Billy because somebody desires some obscure, in-depth information.

Perhaps, if people here cannot restrain themselves, a second grouping of questions can be created, to sort between those questions which are truly relevant to somebody's spiritual progress as compared to questions which only serve to increase school knowledge or trivia knowledge? This would require some willingness to discriminate, and some people may feel inapproriately shoved aside, but really if they cannot respect others enough not to recognize when they are unntentionally clogging up the forum with nothing of good value even to themselves, then it would behoove them to spend more time processing the pertinent material and less time pondering about the irrelevant bits of information.

Peace as always,
Tyler
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Votan
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Post Number: 151
Registered: 12-2011
Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 01:08 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Tyler

I agree there is a lot of selfish questions asked which has nothing to do with humanity as a whole.

We should all be asking questions mainly which benefit mankind.

Which brings me to the point that there is something very odd going on. Like a calm before a storm, I think that Billy knows what I am talking about . A major catastrophe whether man made or nature created.
joe
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Celesco
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Post Number: 68
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Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 01:47 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

i would also like to remind others that Billy is not immortal, and, considering his advanced age and typical human body, is suceptible to dying at any point, just like the rest of us. Does it make sense, then, to make others with a sincere question on their mind wait for years to be heard by Billy, or possi ly not even be heard at all due to the immense requirement of time that it takes Billy to answer everybody who is waiting in line for their turn?

If this attitude does not change toward the better, it will result in an increasingly mad dash to be heard as time runs out as can already be witnessed on the forum - and the end result will be that we lose this wonderful opportunity to be heard by a truly wise prophet. We will squander this resource, wasting it as effectively as a politician wastes tax payer dollars if nothing is done, and we do not all make the effort required of us to be conscious and discerning of our intent.
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Corey
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Posted on Wednesday, November 13, 2013 - 11:51 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Speaking for myself, scholarly knowledge (such as the procreation of Adam) as it comes from teaching is important to clear up now because once Billy is gone, there will be no way for present and future generations to verify the information until time travel is developed, because contacts with the Plejaren will not happen for thousands of years. There are also some discrepancies and mistakes in the material (millions instead of billions), so ironing out those is also very relevant. If this were not the case, then FIGU would not re-write and correct their information. I always try to keep my questions about the teaching and feel my questions are relevant today, as they could still be relevant in 1000 years, as future generations could have the exact same question about Billy's books, with no one to ask but the descendants of the core-group and descendants of the various Landesgruppen. There are a few of us who follow these principles with our questions.

The problem is, that there are a lot of "first-timers" who register on the forums specifically to ask Billy a question or two, w/o fertile soil (reading Billy's books) for the answers to germinate, or w/o having studied the archives to see if the question was already asked, then disappear never to post on the forums again. Most of these questions are simply to verify some new age theory or esoteric nonsense or some scientific question that has probably been covered in the contact reports. The remaining problem lies in that there are many English forum posters who are not studying the material directly, be it official translations or in the original German. This is evident in not only the questions posted, but also regular forum posts in the archives.

I honesty wished more people would ask questions about what Billy has written, because time presses. When reading Billy's books, questions should naturally develop, because for the vast majority of us the information relayed is NEW, and if one just assumes Billy's information is true w/o pondering the information and making cognitions that lead to knowledge, then this is no different then religious belief, something that is not recommended by FIGU when learning to live in line with the laws and recommendations of Creation. That is the difference between Billy's teachings and all other sources of information offered here on Earth, the "knowledge and wisom" vs. "belief" paradigm. The bottom line is that it is your evolution that you are responsible for, which is why it is always recommended to study the teaching directly and apply what is learned to your personal life, and if questions develop, post those in the appropriate section to receive an answer. I'm grateful for the questions to Billy section, but the problem is that many people do not approach the situation that way and post questions that have no real benefit of consciousness evolution because of the answer, based on the law of casuality cause and effect.

http://au.figu.org/question_belief.html

Salome

Corey
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Norm
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Posted on Friday, November 15, 2013 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I agree there are a tons of useless personal questions only good for personal consumption to that particular individual. I don't even read them all anymore. Everyone of my questions to Billy over the years will be useful to future generations. And we will be part of those future generations. I some what regret asking the Mods to get that section started years ago.
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Davidmg
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Posted on Saturday, November 16, 2013 - 04:08 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I would have to agree that there should be a some predisposition to the quality and aptitude of questions being submitted to Mr. Meier.

I suggest that questions be reviewed by 3 or 5 people with the assurance of quality, length, and relevance before any consideration for submission. After all an individual has an entire month to formulate a concise question. And yet it has been allowed to continue with just the opposite with very long winded stories stuffed with more fluffy watered down substance. If people look into the history of how Mr. Meier answers our questions with in this forum as well as how he asks his friends, then you can get the general idea of what not to ask. After all Mr. Meier is not a doctor, financial adviser, a politician, scientist, and so on. A well planned out and thoughtful question will surely be of value to you the writer as you have done your homework, as well as an interest to the reader whom sees that the question has been constructed with care and education.

Davidmg
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Newinitiation
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Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 04:27 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

You guys make some really good points and the suggestions you recommended should be more closely examined.

I’ll be the first one here to put my hand up and admit that I am guilty as charged and must ask the inevitable question that ‘if I know better, why do I knowingly make the same mistakes again’ and to this I’ll make some points that may be worthy of consideration but I hope it doesn’t come across as an excuse.

1) Not all FIGU and Billy’s supporters have bothered to learn German and that includes myself even if I tried before, therefore so much information from Billy is still inaccessible and unknown and hence either the repeat questions or mediocre ones.

2) Laziness is another factor which may come into it because as you fellas stated, people don’t bother to search for and read the previous questions asked and the answers given to them.

3) Time may be another factor as not all have the luxury of devoting thousands of hours required to do a proper study of the teachings to the fullest extent to achieve a proper understanding of it.

4) Some people may be new to it to not realise the FIGU forum’s universally assumed rules about the Q&A process and the forum rules itself.

5) I am absolutely confident in saying this that there may be a few students who had mastered German and managed to read every books, articles, bulletins, contact notes, spirit lessons, talks, interviews, brochures, and what have you, written by Billy but not one of them will be able to quote 100% from memory of the material without physically referring to it and hence my point being, the factors of human limitation with memory is also a factor. So you can imagine what it’s like for the majority of us who don’t know German who are limited by the lack of knowledge and must just do with what’s available in English and in ignorance.

6) It appears to be abundantly clear that Billy’s information moves with the time and the constantly changing circumstances therefore the same question, but not necessarily the same questioner, asked several years ago answered with ‘I don’t know’ or ‘Billy doesn’t preoccupy himself with this subject’, is answered several years down the track therefore it appears that when the time is ripe, the Plejaren will update Billy on the matter to enable him to disclose the information and answer the question and so the duplication issue may not be relevant on this occasion.

7) Not all student of the teachings are the same nor are they the same people with the same upbringing, culture, race, age, sex, life experiences, interests, personality, level of evolution, knowledge, ability to understand, material and spiritual intellect, thinking, feeling, perceiving, ability to judge, ability to control feelings and emotions, character, capacity to reason logically, and so on therefore the inevitable cherry picking of information (that is so out of this world, comparable to none from any historical preserve, unchanged in its original form) and choosing to focus on a particular topic of personal interest, evolutionary level and relevant to that person’s immediate life circumstances and thoughts at the time may also have a bearing on what kind of question will be asked.

8) For people to feel directly addressed by you fellas message, to give them the opportunity to learn from their mistakes and to reflect, you may need to be more direct and specific by pointing out exactly which questions you were referring to that suffers from duplication, mediocre standards and noncompliance.

9) As Arahat Athersata had mentioned and by my own admission, I am also a guilty party to, it mentioned that even among the FIGU adherents only few people will be genuinely interested in the spiritual teachings and myself having compiled the full Q&A to Billy by Topic and Username in Excel and PDF some months ago, reading the more than 2500 questions asked since the year 2000 in one sitting several times reveals that reoccurring pattern but for me at least, the realisation of the spiritual teachings is a personal thing with each person having their own unique journey and their own language used to learn and understand it because of the reasons I’ve mentioned in point (6) as unlike other information, the ST must be lived through with concrete intentionality and within the context provided by the external circumstances and not just inside the head and so the formulation of insight, cognition, understanding, feelings, wisdom, knowledge, recognition, love, peace, harmony, freedom, reverence, honour, veneration, respect, and so on tied to the spiritual teachings is bound to the individual and personal experience that one cannot readily devise a question to Billy for.

10) Thanks to Norm for making the suggestion to set up the Q&A to Billy all those years ago and thank you to unfathomably wise and patient Plejaren, Billy and Christian for making it happen.
The limitation of one question per round per person per month limited to less than 30 questions per round may also be a factor because you cannot explore further in your line of inquiry with more questions relevant to one’s curiosity although everyone should be genuinely thankful that it even exists, maybe people should be more thankful that they’ve been given the opportunity to put the pieces of this massive jigsaw puzzle together by piecing together all the questions and answers in its relevant topic to get at the answers that they seek so maybe not everyone does this or they don’t know how to.
(Check Q&A to Billy section in theyfly.com, David Chance (FOMK), FIGU Canada)

11) Naturally the questions asked by forum members normally revolves around what Billy or the Plejaren said but a lot of the questions also revolves around the current events of the day but how can it be otherwise.
Billy is the only person on this earth who has an ongoing face to face contact with extraterrestrial human beings (Plejaren, Timars and Federation members) therefore there is no other human being alive within 5 light years let alone on this planet who has access to the unique information that he has access to therefore it’s only natural for the questioners to keep this in the back of their minds and ask questions that they can’t ask elsewhere about topics that they can’t bring up anywhere else on this planet with the chance for it to be answered and also in the way that they ask.
So this may also be a factor attributable to the nature of the line of inquiry even if duplicate questions appear.

12) With the moderators already having so much on their plate, who would set up a voting system filtering out subpar questions and to police it without petty bickering and arguing going on from grievances felt by forum members whose question was voted out by the majority if the standard imposed does not only apply to duplicate questions?
Shouldn’t the nature of the answers given to whatever questions asked by whomever from Billy be the sole authoritative judge as to the significance, insignificance, quality, lack of quality, merit, without merit, relevance and lack of relevance of the question when majority of the forum members including myself do not know how to judge properly by the strict spiritual standards of the Creative spiritual teachings and recommendations due to severe lack of knowledge so that we can achieve 100% consensus needed for it to be a truly democratic voting process?

13) Except for the duplicate questions answered before, shouldn’t even stupid questions (if there is such a thing) be a source for learning and furthering one’s wisdom as there are lessons to be learned neatly tucked away behind all ideas and thoughts written in word combinations which reveals far more than the actual question and answers itself such as the state of mind which devised the question, the consequences of that particular question, our own ideas about what the answers would be to the question and reinforcement of facts previously learned, the subtle effect of the idea of the question and answer to our psyche, Billy’s persona and the particular type of spiritual law adhered to coming through from his approach to the question, how the answers given relates to other facts presented that may become a source of another ‘ah ha’ moment and so on.

14) If Billy, Christian and the Plejaren are so unendingly, out of genuine love, shown so much patience with us in the Q&A to BEAM every time, who are we to be impatient with others (of course there are exceptions)? Maybe these invisible yet discernable Creative spiritual values such as patience and forbearance are waiting to be discovered right under our noses that are more important to learn than whatever values the answers to our question is worth and the expression of our selfish desires to want the Q&A to Billy to be a certain way may represent our ignorance of these precious values shown by Billy’s example and our failure to see the forest for the trees not to mention the fact that complaining about why the nature of the question is not more to do with the spiritual teachings is in itself hypocritical and contradictory seeing as all the answers to the questions to do with the spiritual teachings are all contained in Billy’s numerous books and spirit lessons that serve that purpose much better had people learned German and read these books than whatever they can get out of the limited to one question per round Q&A to Billy.
All good things must eventually come to an end and so maybe rather than forcing Billy to hold our hands through the Q&A to Billy section, it may just be the right time now for us to give Billy, Christian and Plejaren and the moderators the opportunity to let us leave the nest and to fend for ourselves by ending the Q&A to Billy section for a while and give them a much needed break to focus on other important things.
Maybe it’ll be better if Billy picks and chooses what needs to be disclosed with a more frequent update via the bulletin which he has done anyway, in place of the Q&A to Billy section and seeing as many questions were answered with ‘Billy doesn’t know’, trusting Billy’s judgment on what he thinks will help us to know via the update would be better than pressuring the man to coax information out of him by putting him on spot with our ill thought out questions.

They are just my views only

Matt Lee
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Godfrey
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Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 07:11 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Greetings;

It has been some time last I visited here. During that time I have been working long and hard on several mysteries that have been presented to me. Of one of the mysteries is that which I wish to speak.

I have spoken to many forms of religious persons to receive their impressions. And I would greatly be honored to understand Mr. Meier's.

This mystery is called "The Secret of Secrets" Soma, Manna, Tree of Life, Food of the Gods, Philosopher's Stone, and so forth. I have labored long and hard and have riddled out the understandings as well as the lab work on the manufacture of this pure product of the animal kingdom.

My interest of question is how Would Mr. meier perceive the release of the information to our species as to its manufacture? I am aware that this product was offered to Mr. Meier through his contacts some time ago. And that he refused based on his wish not to become more then his own fellow species.

Thank you for this wonderful opportunity to pose this question.
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Michaelhelfert
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Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 03:01 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I don't agree that some arbitrary or self-appointed committee should have quality control over what questions other people have for Herr Meier. Suggestions, yes, indeed discussion prior to posting a question is good, but the final say for what a question asks, or how convolutedly it is worded, should belong to the author.

Improving the quality of questions put to Herr Meier is a very good idea, but there is a better way to go about this. Having an area, and using it, where people can post questions for review and discussion prior to putting them to Herr Meier, this is what I advocate. A section already exists for this: it hasn't been used since 2009. Another suggestion is to build a cheat-sheet of the topics that have already been addressed. A third idea is to have a place for people to simply list what topics they think are most important, and why, that other people can cogitate on them. These endeavors might improve the quality of the questioning on this forum without infringing the rights of any author to ask questions others might not like to consider.
Life
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Celesco
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Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2013 - 09:05 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hey guys,

I fear that I've rallied you up too far about this topic. I apologize for speaking so dramatically about it.

I reckon that questions to Billy need not be groundbreaking. All of the information that will lead mankind into the future is contained in the Goblet of Truth or in the FIGU archive, after all - so it is not prudent that we all labor over every question in order to benefit all of mankind, although I may be mistaken in recognizing the magnitude of what was meant by this intent.

Billy may not have the expertise to speak with authority about all of those things previously mentioned; however, as a true prophet, he is adept at talking reason and logic into people who are receptive to it, and more importantly he is adept at setting them back on the straight and narrow path should they become lost, disoriented, or confused.

To become oriented onto the narrow path of knowledge and wisdom is all of our mission, is it not? Therefore, whenever we are facing an obstacle that we cannot overcome using our own reason and logic, it is not a sign of weakness to ask for help. Billy will know how much information is too much or too little because our words are far more transparent to him than they appear to ourselves - yet if we approach him with the intent to bring clarification to some obscure fact that will not be relevant to mankind for decades or even centuries, then we are not allowing ourselves to be oriented back onto the straight and narrow path, and we are not effectively utilizing the this Q&A resource.

Others who speak frankly desire to continue making progress on their path after losing sight of it for whatever reason, so in the spirit of community, it is prudent that we each make Billy as accessible to those people as possible since they are the ones who will truly benefit from Billy's attention. Naturally, they will be more likely to return the favour whenever we become lost - and should more and more people respect this appropriate usage of the Q&A section, then more and more people each month will be steered back toward a positive direction.

Do you understand what I am trying to communicate? I will speak no more about this topic since I feel that there is little more that I can say - and I am aware that I cannot really convince anybody to change their ways.
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Ferbon
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Posted on Monday, November 18, 2013 - 03:28 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Celesco

"To become oriented onto the narrow path of knowledge and wisdom is all of our mission, is it not?"

It's not. And there is no such thing as "narrow path of knowledge and wisdom".
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Celesco
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Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 04:09 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Oh, I apologize and may have misread some information somewhere. I will look through old information that I have dug through to find an accurate reference to what I'm talking about, though I realize now that it may have been in the 4th version of the Talmud that I read about the narrow path, which I then associated with the notion of staying on a wise path. Do you reckon this is partially why the older versions of the Talmud were said to be corrupted by religion still?
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Celesco
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Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 11:44 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

It occurs to me that I've been trying to convince people to make certain decisions instead of just sticking to the facts as I perceive them. In the future I will stick only to factual observations.

Also, since I overlooked the possibility that the "path" that I referenced may, in fact, be tied to the religious undertones still present in the older versions of the Talmud Jmmanuel, I retract the statements in my previous few posts . . . or, perhaps more practically, encourage others to disregard my posts since if I was misled by the 4th edition then I don't want to spread that misinformation.
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Celesco
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Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

No... in fact, I will not waver from my earlier posts so easily - at least not without sound reasoning, or at least some curiosity as to what I meant in the first place.

The path that I refer to is the consistent determination to make progress without becoming side-tracked by nonsense - or, perhaps more commonly, recognizing confusion when it crops up and doing everything in our power to defeat it so that progress can continue. It is not a physical path, but if you spend months pondering about facts which you cannot relate to or which have no relevance to the conditions that fate has dealt you, than you can be said to be wandering in pointless circles instead of moving forward. We have to move forward, all of us, which is why I brought up this topic in the first place. Far too many people piddle around sniffing the daisies here, talking about philosophy and idealism with one another when it's all not worth a damn to anybody and it just goes to prove how stubborn and selfish people can be - wasting their time and the time of everybody else in the meaningless pursuit of knowledge that their minds are still too small to grasp. If they cannot fathom this then I have to wonder how long it will be before they can even see a shred of truth with their eyes because it is proof enough for me that their eyes are still stubbornly shut even though they prattle on endlessly about Salome this and Truth that.

You think that on Erra they just started saying Salome out of the blue and made lasting peace suddenly? No, because hard work comes before peace, and there is no diploma in peace that anybody can obtain simply by hoarding information that is unfathomable to them like a damn packrat.

Out of all of the incredible archive at our disposal, you people really get hung up on the Arahat level, or some other unfathomable concept, like it is some tantalizing fruit that you have to pester Billy about? Damnit, people, you won't get there for millions of years, so scale it back a bit to something that's relevant and clearly blocking your progress, such as how to get over the obsession to accumulate a ton of piddly-ass information!
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Celesco
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Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 01:39 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

That last post deserves a correction since we do not all have to move forward or make any progress whatsoever. We have the freedom of choice. But we also have a responsibility to be conscious of others since we all share a finite amount of time here to bask in the warmth of Billy's light.
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Corey
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Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 09:39 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Celesco,

Speaking of hard work, have you signed FIGU's petition against torture and the death penalty, or the overpopulation petition that go straight to the UN?

Have you considered purchasing "the Might of Thoughts" so you can help support MH and FIGU who try to bring out the truth to Earth humankind, and studying it so you can see for yourself why those that "hoard" information consider the information so precious?
OM 32:2171 Die unschätzbarsten Schätze sind die Wahrheit, das Wissen, die Liebe und die Logik in Weisheit. The priceless treasures are the truth, the knowledge, the love and the logic in wisdom.
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Celesco
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Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 09:12 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I have signed the birthstop petition, but this has no relevance right now.

Truly, all of these questions to Billy that I have referred to previously amount to no more than pebbles being added to a mountain. Are you all so arrogant that you believe the true prophet has not made the correct amount of information available to mankind? For what other reason do you attempt to squeeze additional turnip juice out of a turnip that has already filled up your glass as far as the brim?

Truly, for every pebble that you people add to the mountain, always in the slowest manner possible so you can relish the moment before it's gone up in smoke, you deny a sincere, modest person the opportunity to seek safe directions to actually climb up the mountain.

The majority of us have barely even started up the mountain, but you are already inquiring about the summit? Why do you not climb the mountain and see the summit for yourself?
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Matt
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Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 02:27 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Celesco,

You seem like a nice person but I want to say something and I don't want you to get offended by it.

I noticed you often say something only to then apologize for saying it and then take it back. I noticed this happening ever since you started posting here. And recently now your starting to sound like a preacher to everyone here who have studied the Meier material far longer then you have.

Study more, preach less my fellow friend.
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Celesco
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Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 09:28 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I do not get offended by what you say, granted my frustration with it is another matter. My reasons for taking my words back are quite personal and not of anybody's business but my own. Yet I will elaborate on it now since you brought it up.

I take it back because I am not of the mindset to spread false information. I am careful to rectify any statements which I am given to understand may be formulated inaccurately. This is something which, because of my own shortcomings, I allow to happen more frequently than is warranted since the majority of you do not provide any logic or reason when you make any observation and instead just make blanket statements. Therefore, it is like you snuff out the candle of my budding wisdom with your blanket statements instead of using your own candle (which is supposedly brighter, as you indirectly claim to be far more superior in your wisdom than I) to guide me to the factual truth and to keep the light going. Yet as far as I am aware, I am not able to edit my posts so easily and then burn the remainder to keep everything tidy, so I create a little mess just like FIGU or Billy or anybody else in the universe for that matter. Why else do you suppose that there are currently five editions of the Talmud Jmmanuel?

Furthermore, after getting past my own initiation phase, I have spent time thoroughly pondering over what I have said in contribution to the forum to see where it is coming from and whether it will be of any assistance to anybody - and yet you accuse me of being the preacher without any consideration for the fact that you will ruin my credibility in the eyes of the others now if I do not stand up to defend myself against your very serious accusation?

You call me your friend when you act like nothing of the sort, which is why I have never revealed the length of time that I have spent with the spirit teaching and never will, since I knew from the beginning that people such as yourself, Matt, would use that knowledge as an excuse to disregard everything that I say based on your whims.

Yes, I can freely admit to being influenced by religious thinking at times, and to possessing some self-doubt which is a definite shortcoming, but who amongst you can say any differently without being completely self-deluded? I am not afraid to admit it, nor am I afraid to correct what I have said once I have gone back to reflect over what has been said later.
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Matt
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Posted on Friday, November 22, 2013 - 01:21 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

I never said anyone here is superior in wisdom then you.

You say you didn't get offended by what I said but your response clearly looks like you did. In hindsight I regret posting my prior post.

I'm not perfect either. I have many faults. I just got irritated of always hearing you say something, then taking it back and then apologizing for it. That's all.

Just forget everything I said in my prior post.
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Ferbon
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Posted on Friday, November 22, 2013 - 01:36 am:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Celesco

I think Matt is only trying to help.

Making mistakes is unavoidable part of our evolution so it is ok to accept them as they come along - simply as lessons. Willingness to learn is in itself admirable and does not need beautiful words or apologies.
Also your present is very much connected and stems directly from your past as well as your future so you don't have to reinvent and you certainly can't erase anything. Just live and progress with it.

Many people here realize this and can help you if you inquire in the respectful manner - and to be sure - edit your posts or store them before publishing and edit in the meanwhile so that your final thoughts are included.

Salome
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Tat_tvam_asi
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Posted on Friday, November 22, 2013 - 10:16 pm:   Edit Post Print Post    Move Post (Moderator/Admin Only)

Hi Newinitiation,

The best way to keep track of the many Contact Notes and further interesting (i.e. Bulletin) articles is to sort them into to different sections (i.e. Historical Data/Earth and Cosmos/ Human and Nature/Health/UFO and ETs/Falsification of Documents/Biblical Information/Space Travel etc) and load them onto a USB stick.

Salome

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