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Michael_horn
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Post Number: 626
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Monday, December 17, 2012 - 08:15 pm: | 
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> Thomas,
We learned the process that Dames taught and were able to do it. But it doesn't interest me that much, certainly doesn't compare in any way to the value of the spiritual teaching. |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 51
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 11:32 am: |
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Chris/'Ferbon' & Edward;
IMO -Your "talking sense", is non-sense, and not related to the time-travel questions asked, FIGU or otherwise. Then you obfuscate the time-travel portion further by 'posing'(questions unrelated to the subject, and more personally attacking people's earnest inquiry) and responding with further spurious matter, unrelated to the subject. Then - you take upon yourselves the role of 'Moderator'. I am of the thought, that, that is Scott's job here.
Scott: how about creating the section to this Forum with a cult/orthodoxy/religious responses on the Forum? Some here, a limited few, have found their seeming life-goals in responding to serious and searching inquiries with such diatribe and innuendo.
Most looking here have utilized the "Search" functions and know how to do that.
Many could take a lead from Jedaiah, Michael Horn, and Melissa about how to reply to those initiates into this Meier material.
Again, Melissa, your was a response I had hooped for and then fully utilized in furthering my awareness of FIGU(German section) time-travel data. Thank you, Jedaiah and Michael Horn - and with your style of approach to others here! |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 52
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 11:48 am: |
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For those who seem to continually harp upon 'staying with materials related to FIGU":
The history of this section on "time-travel" (supposedly to be from solely FIGU materials) - is replete with commentaries from many, MANY, outside references(and as 'Edward's favorite saying, 'use the 'search' function rather than just asking your questions' (paraphrase mine) )
any use of just looking at the archived sections reveals much more of a wide perspective approach to time-travel data sources.
Hmmmm . . . IMO there is something 'rotten in" (can't say 'Denmark' anymore) 
. . . the reasoning listed from those certain few
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Melissa
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Post Number: 64
Registered: 01-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2012 - 05:43 pm: |
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Hi Thomas57,
Your words are too kind.
If if you would ever like to chat further, you can contact me via melissa.swem@creationaltruth.org
-Melissa
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Abdiel
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Post Number: 90
Registered: 11-2010
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 03:29 pm: |
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What do you thinks of john titor's case?
A guy that come from 2036 in a time travel? |
Michaelhelfert
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Post Number: 359
Registered: 09-2011
| | Posted on Tuesday, October 08, 2013 - 07:59 pm: |
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John Titor was probably a trial balloon. Perhaps CIA.
Life
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Billwilson12
New member
Post Number: 2
Registered: 07-2013
| | Posted on Thursday, October 24, 2013 - 06:36 pm: |
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Following the info about being within a 1% time would suggest that the Red comet from 2029 finds its target. Once again free minds look forward to another set back or cleansing. Titor is just push to what can be. If the free man an sons of creation do nothing to project a change with our knowledge. Soon should see if the will power is to be found within the hearts of the ones who already know how once given the where to start, an a finish target date to stop the slavery of power then a comet shield would be a simple shift in space time in the 4d algebra math. The hardest parts are already in place waiting for heart mind connection to work with all humans being willing to work without thought of reward. A lot of hate started in the Americas long long ago, but it can be stopped and reset a new. an Africa can also be restored from the scores of wars, that need to be no more. My dreams are with Eden and Creation. The greed for gold there help set all in motion and must be fixed there to. Adams temple should sing again.
123 OM |
Pendrake
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Post Number: 8
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 18, 2013 - 05:51 pm: |
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hi Abdiel ,
I was skeptical at first - but the more you get into the Titor story the more compelling it actually gets -
one thing i take from it is that even though in John titor's timeline there was a terrible destructive nuclear war , nevertheless still there were some quite positive outcomes resulting from it..that john was always very quick to point out on forum posts. in fact he seemed to hold a lot of contempt for the way live was being lived out - at the time when he made his (alleged) time trip back to the 90s. Saying that people were extremely spoiled and not behaving in the way that humans ought to be behaving , not being communal, people not helping each other out, also he was always amazed that we would be eating foods that we did not know too much at all by and large where it was coming from, etc. makes you think that one!
N.B before i do the cut/paste - these posts were done in very early internet days much before there was any wireless - to the best of my knowledge at least.
some extracts from the info. to illustrate what he was saying about it...
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"People raise a great deal of their own food and do more "farm" work. Yes, compared to now, we do work long hours. After the war, my father made a living selling oranges up and down the West coast of Florida. My closest friend raises horses and another works for a company
that maintains "wireless" Internet nodes.
Life has changed so much over my lifetime that it's hard to pin down a "normal" day. When I was 13, I was a soldier. As a teenager, I helped my dad haul cargo. I went to college when I was 31 and I was recruited to "time travel" shortly after that. Again, I suppose an average day in 2036 is like an average day on the farm.
Yes, there is a post office. The Internet is still alive and well in the future. People spend more time talking because life is more centered on the community. I've noticed the same type of effect here when the power goes off. People tend to come out of their homes and actually spend time with their neighbors. There is a lot more personal trust and less paranoia.
When I'm with my parents, I live in a community made up of "tree houses" on a large river in Florida. The river floods sometimes and we have access to the Gulf. Most of our neighbors make a living off the sea or in moving cargo by boat.
One of the biggest reasons why food production is localized is because the environment is affected with disease and radiation. We are making huge strides in getting it cleaned up. Water is produced on a community level and we do eat meat that we raise ourselves.
Yes, genetic engineering is used but it's like any other technology. It can be good and bad. One thing we did not do was create more hybrid seeds.
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anyway just thought that was an interesting aspect to it all.
Also curious in the way that even though john was American - in spite of the fact that there was a third world war - yet however in respect to the side that he was on (in the then-happening US Civil War) - the Russians ended up being allies of his - thus helping/aiding his camp to be the victors. (the city-folk get defeated by the rural-groups) or something along those lines at least from what i remember. is a funny old world always. :]] |
Markcampbell
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Post Number: 856
Registered: 10-2008
| | Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 02:07 am: |
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The Titor story seems to have some realistic tones to it . Thanks for the insights . |
Ardie
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Post Number: 92
Registered: 02-2000
| | Posted on Saturday, January 04, 2014 - 04:25 pm: |
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I was really interested in the John Titor story several years ago and it's similarities to Billy's prophecies, but he has been asked about this and here is the response from the Questions to Billy Answered: Truthseeker
Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 11:58 pm:
Greetings Billy,
Comment: There appears to be a lot of talk lately about a time traveller from the future known as John Titor who made a sudden appearance back in around 2000 or so, who also had warnings for the USA in regards to world war 3, etc, in much the same way as did the Henoch prophecies.
Answer
The time traveller fantasy is rubbish. |
Pendrake
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Post Number: 10
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 07, 2014 - 11:00 am: |
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Hi there Ardie,
yeah i knew that that was what billy said about it.
but there's not much detail there in that really it has to be said. hmmm, rubbish based on what exactly..? - does billy even know the details about this case?, (or does he just want to get going outdoors planting trees or whatever, sorry just small joke, hopefully nobody looses their mind or something!)
Ok obviously in respect to spiritual values, lessons - what billy is saying is gold and is utterly profound etc.
But for something like this, or topics like these , i have just got into the habit of taking something/content at face value, and scrutinizing it for its own worth - (rather than billy's very dismissive outright rejection with not much more elaboration on it, i am simply forced to add!)
I am have encountered more than a few folk - who take billy's word on things to be sacrosanct to
the point where their own thinking faculties are not being employed! not sure if thats what billy is asking of us in the general run. just saying, i am sure that you and most everyone else know this.
but maybe some that are forgetting about it.
Now its not that i am so into the Titor story even, that i am a big believer or something - but just when you listen to the guys interview , is at least a little bit compelling, when you take it at face value and not come in with any bias or anything. More particularly because a lot of things that are made mention of do indeed fall into line with many things billy is talking about in his info. (like that diseases such as CJD is going to be a big problem , like that in john's timeline the WW3 wiped 2 billion people, more than a few other things too.)
Most especially in connection to time travel - where i think also there might be some common ground. Billy says that time travel is possible but yet at the same time you cant change things in the past , this is hard to make sense of - of course. Nevertheless in the following interview , one that pretty much covers all the bases on the case in general..a possible explanation is provided that may help towards accounting for this strange paradox. is worth a listen for this if anything else.
anyway just a few more thoughts on it. Could be that the Titor story is like the fringe of the fringe so to speak , that very few people are willing to entertain the possibility of it being valid , however not sure that it should be so objectionable from the viewpoint of the Meier case - as we know from Contact 251 that future humans will develop the ability for time travel. Also the explanation given doesn't seem even all that complex - the way in which the micro-singularity is created and to inject electrons onto it, in order to then arrive at a gravitational field that can be manipulated to move either forward or backwards in time. Doesn't seem so out of order if one is to deliberate a bit on it.
in any case, for anyone that is interested in it here is the link --- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccPLOCx_h1w
enjoy  |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 758
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 07, 2014 - 05:15 pm: |
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> Let's nto that whoever John Titor may have been, he certainly also had access to…Meier's information (so let's not be too surprised about any similarities).
And if I recall correctly, a third word war is not a certainty at this time, according to the Meier material. Now I'd be more interested in the JT story if, for instance, he had spoken about the huge imact on the world from the BP and Fukushima disasters, specifically. Since I haven't followed the whole story, I don't know if he did though. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 916
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 08, 2014 - 09:21 pm: |
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Hi Michael
Didn't Billy talk about the solar flare as possibly causing a greater catastrophe through bringing down the nuclear power plants all over the world along with the electrical and satellite grid?
I mean the enormous ramification of downed power grids alone would be enormous.
Matt lee |
Michael_horn
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Post Number: 759
Registered: 07-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, January 09, 2014 - 09:38 am: |
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Hi Matt,
Yes, see:
http://theyfly.com/Sunspot-Activity.html |
Pendrake
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Post Number: 12
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Friday, January 10, 2014 - 06:25 am: |
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hello forum moderator(s) - i want to Retract my previous post - as i think it is possible to post- edit a blog - in which case the 'qronos1' blog of 2005 that i was referring to , (which did exist originally) ....may have been amended over time - to appear more accurate! - oh well it was interesting for a little bit ....for just a little while there! - a short lived excitement about it. :] but not sure if it can be trusted now at all.
ok then, in hindsight - if i do another post on this...i want to concentrate on the original titor story, and the theories pertaining to time travel , as this is the one that is the much more credible now in hindsight.
ok that is all. thanks.
Pendrake,
Please mean what you say the first time, there are many steps involved to delete a post you didn't want posted. Thanks
Scott-Forum Moderator
(Message edited by scott on January 12, 2014) |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 73
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, January 11, 2014 - 11:13 am: |
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Whew! What a load of undigested hoax data to wade through! 
Anyone with an ability to think logically, critically and analyze data can see the numerous postings , some from this site, most from spurious sites where, 'carrot-stick' methods are used.
To understand, from Meier's own words, see the bulletin:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Special_Bulletin_38
Many questions about the abilities of an evolving consciousness and SRV, 'Time-travel', OBE's, 6th and 7th sense development can be self answered(by your OWN mind when it is working).
(you have)Great patience, Michael!
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Pendrake
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Post Number: 13
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Sunday, January 12, 2014 - 05:18 am: |
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hi Thomas57, Lol, ok is one way of looking at it, little bit harsh though - no, i have done some good detective work here!, that could be of help for those that want to separate the wheat from the chaffe on this topic,
in any case, Moderators , what gives??
i asked you to not go ahead with the post,(as is shown), I dont want to distract with information that is spurious and distracting from what may be the more credible.
This alternative time travel story - surely crumbles within the space of a few hours or a half a day at most. So you see here is the difference between this and the Titor case - this one (the qronos1 blog) which is quite easy then to debunk or discredit so easily. Thus the water being muddied in this way,
There was a momentary brief-moment of thrill to find possibly a prediction that catered to Michael's desire, ha, so hopefully people will not be judging too harshly if i was a bit trigger-happy with clicking of the post button :]
It is clear now, that in respect to possible time travellers, there is Billy of course s the real thing, but there is also still Titor as the one who lays as potentially being the one and only alternative other... [Titor was referring specifically to extremely advanced technology by name/exact-term many years in advance of their coming on stream.]
when the post went through i was like , oh ok well whatever it could be of benefit if someone wanted to use the forum to try to riddle something out. - but if this is the response - that is maybe a little bit in the way of being a smug/self-congratulatory! then heck moderators - can you not just remove/delete the last three posts - so that maybe in 6 months time we can go back and have a look at some of the Titor Time travel theory which really is utterly fascinating to explore, looking at it from the perspective of what billy says on the subject in general , ok that is all.
its not always about being completely right, thats a small way of looking at things, surely , no? |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 74
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 12, 2014 - 12:22 pm: |
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Pendrake(?actual name??)
Yours seems to be that assumption that others have not done their own homework on the Titor story.
The posting #73 was for those who wanted an insight into "how" Meier thought/experiences travels into time-space.
Simply reading another's words(ANYONE'S) doesn't correlate to 'knowing'. That's something that requires a very personal experience, is repeatable, and explainable. Any 'reality' that is to be useful to others requires more than a 'salted piece of pork'(bacon). (a colloquialism for those not familiar with the term).
While anyone's or Meier's work/words/history are extremely useful to any cognitive life form, those stories must be processed and experienced to form any basis in a shared system of usable data.
Most I have met, written, or read about, do NOT take those steps - those that do have results that can be shared and helpful to each other.
Titor's stories - or those about him, lack many elements required to be verifiable(truth seeking).
Or are you attempting to define "Truth" to be something other than that actual process of verifying = its Latin definition and descriptor?
T57 |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 75
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Sunday, January 12, 2014 - 12:36 pm: |
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Also, those studying this section might improve their understanding from this link:
http://forum.figu.org/de/messages/3/2144.html#POST2326
Hans explains his understanding of time/space relationships and Creational Laws. |
Pendrake
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Post Number: 14
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Monday, January 13, 2014 - 11:21 am: |
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Ok that is all well and good, an improvement at least..
However there is still a somewhat barbed-tone coming from you that is bit un-called for to my mind, admittedly at one point a bit too much of an extraneous divergence, but actually at no point was i being illogical, i was just being overly candid/honest with my (in real-time) fleshing out of the authenticity of the other time-travel story, one may go through a process of indulging in or entertaining the reality of time-travel case or story for a brief time in your head, to test to see how it fits in your psyche. But i was actually not wrong per say in any of my posts. Thus the over-derision is misplaced, (school-yard-stuff, something tells me you are better than that, and have entered into that a bit more so, so hopefully we can stay in this frame of mind.) .
That is good info there coming from Hanz. cheers, however, still in spite of that, there is now a little bit remaining of perhaps the ... 'Truth has been spoken' kindof vibe which can rear its ugly head at times i have perceived on this various forums - {insofar as being privy or having arrived at ultimately the final word on it all. what i have been wondering of late...is there too much certainty in this relation, and something i will get to in just a moment....}
But first of all, just to explain where i may be coming from here (maybe i should, hopefully without too much preamble, admittedly i did go an extraneous divergence there for a while, however definitely not deserving of the over-derision (most especially since i did ask for the retraction, it would be different otherwise) , and besides it may be the case T-57 that you will never be a time-traveller with this kind of attitude that you have everything wrapped up in its entirety! Thus closing yourself off to further insights that may in fact be gleaned , if one really did want to go there with due diligence.
but anyway where was I on this , oh yeah...it was entering into my mind of late the possibility that more insights could be gathered (hypothetically) - is one is to factor in some of the data from the Titor case , which could shed some further light on these things...is basically where i was 'going' and just to 'explore' it is all (if that was permissable!). The reality is that quite a number of times the P's have flatly stated that - they have to be at times reserved with the information that gets provided to us.
However in quite stark contrast to this...John Titor was uniformly open and freely expressing of all of his time travelling datum.
And so to come back again to the 'Truth has been spoken' affirming vibe , that at times rears its ugly head,- actually this topic was touched on in another thread, and one of the guys , now in truth i must say .....to be fair to him is always pretty good at the info. that he is giving out, really kudos to him in the main, however in this regard one time recently on the time travel...he was saying (in a 'Truth has been spoken' kind of way) that if a future-time trip was executed - and things seen there etc. - then that was pretty much set in stone, and that not one 'particle' would go differently. However this seems contradictory to me, as now in this (our) timeline , for one example....as a result of the Destroyer comet threat having been removed, things will go a radically different way, there will be no crash collision between that comet and the moon, (also the two moons of Mars) etc. maybe other bodies in the solar system - so one sees here clearly ....i think it is safe to say that more than a mere 'particle' will go in a differently way! - {however again , now to be fair to the guy, again he is always very much on the ball, he was saying that there was different types of travel in the end, and this actually correlates to what Hanz was saying in that extract of yours, however here we see - that the original statement needed the 'qualifier' of that, to be fully exact ...that in order for not one particle to go a different manner...it needed to be that singularly-especial type of time-travel where no other dimension was entered into on any front.
And thus to bring it back to the Titor case... one thing that i had been thinking at the time was that even merely the Titor meathapor of the 2 mirrors on either side of the walls (which at that time i was struggling to actually remember where i had come by learning of that analogy, and then i remembered...that it was from the Titor case! and not some tv-science documentary, so once here again one sees that one returns to some of the basic ideas of that one ...and that there is maybe something 'in' this quite simple (yet perhaps penetrating-enough/profound example to give on it) about how things might be going (in respect to the quantum outlook.) and that it may reflect part of the larger reality, the micro within the marco as such.
So , anyway here are a few aspects, to show wherein the exploration of another time-travel story may actually be quite relevant, to the further gaining of knowledge on the subject. (and not necessarily to be shot down with such initial cajoling type of ridicule, lol, but listen i am thick-skinned enough, so we can move on from it i guess.) , but anyway main point being the discovery of the one case that is strongly veering in the hoax assessment, surely then brings into a more decided crystallization/appreciation of the infinitely more viable credulity or potential-veracity of the main other (case) that is then much more credible, that one ends up still going back to, reflecting on the info that was contained, information that was stored in an ironclad/verifiable way...thus maybe serving to give further insights...perhaps if they were achievable..
is pretty much where i was coming from , in the main at least. ok is all for now. Time-traveller P-100 over and out  |
Carlos
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Post Number: 2
Registered: 02-2012
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Good review, apart from anything else which could be inferred without much difficulty having already thought enough these issues. One of the contacts (if I understood correctly), appears on the experience Meier on letters posted three days before his present, while traveling with extraterrestrials. But it is not mentioned whether or not he received the letters to return to normal. If received, it would be surprising since an extraordinary process would have been generated to connect the operation in two times. I'm surprised not to have found this issue discussed or feel motivated to even ask directly. |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 76
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 14, 2014 - 06:12 pm: |
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Actually, anyone who has read these posts(the broad spectrum) - can easily intuit the actually data, from any language and grammar used.
"Pendrake" - there is a large influence - IMO - from your use of language(or lack thereof, if English is a 2nd one to you) - and I am writing in a descriptive manner, specifically not a condescending one - simply put= your posts contain few statements of testable FACT, a large load of speculations, and - from the POF(points of reference), others posts(plural on both accounts), and an avid curiosity to learn(the best part of your getting involved in something you enjoy).
Any critically thinking mind would most likely reach the same conclusions as I.(in the reading of another's post ).
The Titor story has little verifiable-testable data; and the trail of events doesn't lead into greater understanding. 'His' words, don't contain much beyond speculations and data taken from many who have written upon the subject, prior to him. Some of us here are very well-read upon his story, and not fooled into using unprovable statements as any form of fact. The trail of events doesn't lead to further understanding him either.
While Meier's Contact reports and FIGU bulletins contain written anecdotal data also, the pathways to greater understanding remain.
Not so with - IMO - your postings and the Titor/Qronos1 story, and maybe even more so to the spelling and grammar of your recent responses(differs greatly from a few earlier ones where those errors did not appear) shows a wee bit of temper or defensive action on your part??
To learn is to be able to suspend your POV and to LOGICALLY invest in another's. IMO.
You are still hiding behind a Nom-de-plum, use unsubstantiated speculations/spurious thinking, as 'argument' for your positions.
If you are attempting to be a Sci-fi writer, you have a start - though not so much as Asimov, Bradbury, or Heinlein.
If you, or any suppose to represent a logical-critically thoughtful introspection into 'Time-Travel', supplant your defensive words with statements of testing and logic, and you may succeed much further.
How well did you read and understand Hanz statements? Is the process of "truth" you use(the Latin root means=to verify - a verb, not a noun) further enlighten others, or paste a label upon the soap box?
Is your newness to this forum challenging your abilities to think and grow - or shrink and become defensive?
I do like the fact, that in answering your posting(s), my logic section(of mind) got a wee bit of exercise(thank you!) . . . but none here will white-wash undigested spurious statements. If they do, anyone looking at that will see the path created - and its not one I'd choose. . . . but then, that's my choice.
Perhaps, Pendrake - you would use verifiable-testable statements over intellectual confabulations of adjective and adverb in your next posting? (that was an invitation! not a put-down)
Describe the 'laws' of time travel; describe your efforts to accomplish such; list technologies you've employed; write an exegesis showing the research and scholarly footnoting and bibliography; etc.
The FIGU post does all of these: http://forum.figu.org/de/messages/3/2144.html#POST2326
. . and while it is certainly NOT the last words upon the matters, it furthers understanding and sets some guidelines for comprehension.
Hanz seems to have a starting handle from FIGU POV, and shares it openly.
Perhaps a search function in this forum and a thorough reading of the previous posts - especially those upon Titor, would clarify things for you?(I dislike having to write that due to another here who's standard greeting to those seeking, that same action - uugg.)
Best of luck to you, as anything written to assist you seems to fall upon dead/deaf ears.
T57 |
Pendrake
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Post Number: 15
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, January 15, 2014 - 07:09 am: |
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T57 - I am actually more on your side than you may initially imagine. I have been on forums in general for a good bit of time, i am a returnee to this particular one. So you see for me it is not such a big deal that you have hit me with this big striking down as such. I can roll with it. As of course logic is important. I am a realist at the end of day. I know that the forum is a serious place, which i dig in the main, is the reason why I am HERE discussing things and not anywhere else , however all things having to be kept in balance at all times, does it really have to be such a 'Deathly' serious place....that the one time someone may put a foot wrong (in such an incremental minor way, that they themselves then made the proper and accurate correction on, in a very exact and logical way, i must be inclined to remind yet further again!) - is deserving of such a smugly-mocking death blow. If i really had been new to the forum, it would be a bit off-putting for sure. too much utterly needless torturing, ... think Vincent Price in 'Pitt and the Pendulum'  I think the forum should be better than that.
I think percentage-wise...the probability of your average woman coming in with the execution of this typically/innately self-satisfied 'gotcha-moment' like that would be no more that 5% if that, it was bound to be 95% more likely to be the male (bound to the logical reasoning to the nth degree), laddish/loutish one-upmanship etc. , at the expense of just maybe seeing the very obvious bigger picture,
you see women can read between the lines , there are not so bogged down with the endless minutiae of details, if instead there is a wider picture that may take shape. They are not so concerned about three minor spelling mistakes that may lead on to some further as of yet undiscovered flaw, they can multitask - they have babies to feed, homes to run etc.
Thus, what has hit me out of all of this, could it be, there is a larger issue at stake here, that is maybe more important than the subject matter at hand. Let's face it, alas, none of us are ever going to be time-travellers.
And to continue in this new vein.....(and its something that i've thought about before,, but now i find myself coming back to it as a result of this 'issue' at hand.) honestly over and over on other forums it is often enough an endless succession of blokes having tedious...tedious endless rows about who is really right, arguing about who said what and whose position is logically more coherent. excessive left-side brain usage to the point where its all just a big slaughterhouse - I guess this is a somewhat inescapable part of the process, but still I can't help but wonder if its often the case that it might be sometimes that a woman get admitted to the group , and then on sighting one of these 'exchanges' - they just end up going ....ok sod this...i'm outta here!
In respect to the unfolding of the Meier spiritual revolution could it be that - that this kind of hyper-intense logical wrangling needs to toned this down (if it was the case that it was strangling the life out of things in the general run, on the basis that a balance needs to be kept at all times every time.) , thus from the point of view of the higher good, to not always be so decidedly so, 'Wound' about having to be right and correct at every juncture & turning point. To relax about that a bit more, the way to the truth could be a bit meandering as it is unfolding or 'on the way' towards the full truth for each individual, [my little 'meandering' WAS relevant as it served to lend more credulity to the Titor case irrespective of whether you think that the Titor case doesn't hold/stock which may or may not be true in the end, but of which is another issue] and so to relax a bit more about the trajectory of that (the temporary meandering - if it was the case that it served a further cause) , and that as a consequence 'patience' needs to be brought into play in respect to it...in respect to the slow unfolding of lessons/insights. Look at how cool i have been with my very minor, barely significant faux-pas, not having been necessarily so concerned about having been endlessly right at every turning point during the course of one day of having discovered/explored another time-travel case , maybe i have set a new example in this respect. something to think about. just maybe. I swear, I actually remember a point of thinking that if someone is going to get tightly-wound/Anal about this then that is their problem not mine. and i am sticking to this.
But Look T57 , in spite of all that, I am with you in the main, honestly so, we'd all be lost without billy's info. of course it is so, it keeps us all grounded and rooted to things , rooted to reality, yet however still I honestly and sincerely think you are better than post 73, is the main thing for me. I think there is room for even more improvement on this style of re-actional launching, to keep in line with the very high Figu standards.
There have been any number of times where i myself may have had the opportunity to come rushing in with such and such a big gruesome decapitation ('gotcha-moment'), on other forums wherein the knowledge i may have held served to negate whatever point (that i knew was based on illogic) that was being made, but no i have held off on it. and may have gone instead with the more diplomatic pointing/urging. I try to hold off on being barbed as best i can. These kinds of things are important too. They just are.
Thus on this front, the way of the forum should be more temple like at all times every time, is how i see it. to not ever be needlessly caustic/abrasive. As a start-point, before the logic even gets going.
face it T57 - you slipped up really, but can you , will you accept it? Is really too much of an ATS style kneejerk response not befitting of the figu forum. Anyone who is on the fourm at all should be granted a great big medal for most logical enough to have found their way to the place in and of itself.. By rights there should be a retraction of post 73, in concurrence with my original retraction. and the link that is in it, Gee - wowee like everybody and anybody has read that one. you don't get a medal for that. you cannot cover up this blunder of yours by posting links to sage-wisdom originating from other people. not so fast there feller.
Ok Logic=good, however....Have you become so roboticised in your thinking....that you cannot read between the lines anymore?? the sum sometimes being greater than the individual parts, now and then, here and there?
In the Hollywood film 'Spiderman' there is a quote that goes like - 'With great power comes great responsibility' - Reflect on this T57! and again to repeat is appreciated that folks like you are pointing the way, but i honestly do think that there is yet further learning in this for you. Certainly so. At all times there can be an opportunity for further learning, and maybe here too. think about it.
{haha - btw on the sci-fi , you got me on that one , i had a sci-fi story published one time, just a small thing nothing major, so you see another issue that factors in , that may not be readily apparent. That part of my brain that has the sci-fi leening just just couldn't help but indulge in the prospect of the new time-travel yarn just for a few hours at least, but again to repeat i am a realist in the end, and so of course have to keep things in check, hence retraction as was due and proper as befitting of the forum. so really i am in the clear! }
but anyway, nevertheless, When are the future women of the new millennium (future mothers of the new time) going to start coming on stream?, methinks could do with them at a bit faster pace.
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