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Pendrake
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Post Number: 18
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 03:55 pm: | 
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Ahh a few responses there, my internet was down for a few days..
So first to say - this is most interesting indeed to hear some of the ideas put forward by Shark-mode (Anthony) - very astute indeed i must say...and certainly for a fact, this is as i had suspected. Namely that there would be at least 1 or 2 on this forum that held the basic conviction that actually no - looked at squarely the Titor case is not to be dismissed so readily out of hand. For reasons that were outlined (which one would have thought would be a given, i.e. that is to say that there are a number of facets that remain very striking, thought-provoking, and therefore then certainly not deserving of such a speedy sleight of hand style dismissal. And to reply directly to at least one of the points by T57 – well any picture from billy serving as something more concrete or substantive (testable, & pertaining to existence of DAL universe and such like) – well for arguments sake there IS that photo of the Titor time machine – that nobody has been able to account for in ANY respect…and so therefore on that front remains to be once again at least enigmatic. But this kind of thing surely one would have thought to be a given. The overkill-like style of dismissing of the titor case again just seems well…a bit overwrought….or just plain overkill ….imho
Ok T57 you have the sturdy science-background one would be inclined to suspect. Ok we'll give you that one. And on most other counts that would be an immeasurably good thing. Yet however in this case i can't help but think that it is tying you down or locking you into some a kind of constrained Nay-saying-to-the-finish academical strait-jacket of sorts.  I mean come on, with all due respect T57, listing off how many decades of study, as if this in and of itself counts as something absolutely end-game or definitive, hmmm , to be honest, it makes me smile just a wee bit. – do not forget that we are all just really ‘kids’ compared to the Plejaren - and they themselves don’t actually have a real handle on the time-travel question to any great degree by their standards ....as they have OPENLY ADMITTED. {they say it's pointless to try to understand it…….. their words! } so just on this line of thinking I just can’t help but suspect that those few extra decades give you any of the big real advantage that you claim for yourself ,...again i am just forced to say...this much trumpeting of this knowledge level of yours! hmmm.
{Weirdly, and really not in any way to be remotely antagonistic here i swear as we are all of course on the same team here on this forum, but engaging with you is a bit reminiscent of engaging with BM sceptics. For example when it comes to something that is outside the realm of the 'normal' or 'quantifiable' - something pertaining to an issue of total high-strangeness e.g. specific example being the tree's time having been changed...well here at times like that… the sceptics moan and lament, cry and weep ...baying no, no! this is just possible - this is absolutely ludicrous to even contemplate, to suggest such a thing...and so in this context can't help but sense there is a parallel here when i hear you devoutly declare that no,… no! the Titor case is just out of bounds so definitely and completely! } but anyway just something else i was thinking is all, no biggie.
And nonetheless, we'll give you that one, that you maybe have the science background, I'm not at all desiring to be so at odds with you, this is not the case, however, to be fully honest...to say one more time and be done with it, i remain just a wee bit concerned overall about this 'attitude', or this 'tone' of yours that props itself up repeatedly so. Declaring things to have been set in stone, so just from my point of view, with all due respect I’ve encountered it many a time that folks may hold this idea about the certainties they clung to , but then in the end actually it turned out they were misplaced about it in the end. But also to add… surely one shouldn't have the feeling or sensation of walking on egg-shells on the forum...that will not be of service in the grand scheme.
The forum is for everybody , not just those folk who feel they need to be married/locked to the testable only, to be locked to this and to this alone, to my mind there should be free-thought, as much as is relevant and focused to what may be. Maybe it takes someone ‘new’ to bring about more of that, who knows.
. And so with that thought in mind...going for something that is
Legitimate to pursue. as much as is possible & permissible, something i have been wondering about..T57 or whoever else may feel Free to chime in if they so desire...It's all about the learning ...if my level of understanding of time-travel may seem rudimentary to others i both apologize yet at the same time reserve the right to exist at this level of understanding...as it is the one that i am currently on! - and can be on no other!
In contact 039 - there is the following. About there existing simultaneously two Billys. One in the beamship and one down below in the house.
220. You now live twice, namely once here and once down
there on Earth.
Billy: I really don’t understand that now.
Semjase:
221. Understand yet
222. We do, indeed, live here
224. You understand everything very well; you just don’t want
to accept it because you find it too fantastic.
Billy: ................................ Now, according to your
statement, I would actually have to exist twice, namely down
there on Earth, where I’m going straight to bed, and once here.
Thus, I could now visit myself down there, eh?
Semjase: 225. Sure, if we would now return to the Earth, then you could
– theoretically or practically, depending on the case – talk with
yourself.
This extract alone raises a few issues I think. One there is the point that surely it is an aspect of Creation that multiple instances of the same spirit-form can be simultaneously existent , that there is no big problem in respect to the question of ‘uniqueness’ – that Creation has a way of handling it somehow.
Thus surely to my mind resolving that point at least.
Secondly, this whole thing, whether T57 or anyone else actually likes it or not has a ‘Titor-like flair’ to it. And by that I mean there often we will hear Titor expert (archiver of posts) Oliver Williams is talking about multiple versions of Titor….or that when or if titor would ever come back yet again… that it wouldn’t be the same Titor but rather instead …’another version of him’ …so anyway it just rings a few bells on that level.
Thirdly – insofar as this whole scenario goes…there just had to be a very first time of playing out…when there was not two Billys in existence. But just one. And so in a nutshell in that first time of playing out {where Billy is down on earth straight on the bed and not also simultaneously up in the beamship} – the overall contents of this original timeline DIFFERS from the subsequent one where there then is a yet further Billy up in the beamship..and so to deduce from this ….that surely world-lines cannot then be fixed or locked in such a closed way…that instead there is the possibility for variable-ness to unfold…and this is exactly what is contained in the original Titor posts…for arguments sake at least…and added to which for me helps to try to make sense of things a little bit more..
Extract from the original postings…
TimeTravel_0 : Actually... world lines are not fixed.
TimeTravel_0 : They are all different.
TimeTravel_0 : There is no one "time".
G° : but you have a past... you remember things, and if one changes...?
TimeTravel_0 : Yes...
TimeTravel_0 : but they are different.
TimeTravel_0 : The fact that I am here changes this world line.
Also there is more from Semjase on this in general.....at another point in the contact notes...relating to dimensions...should the concept of parallel dimensions be so shocking for T57...something to be negated out of hand as something so out of order…or does this extract fit in some way with his line of thinking…if so then maybe that can be further illuminated upon. Would be interested to know. If that was so…maybe is so…in some way that I am unaware of right now.
Semjase:
329. We are now at the exact crossroads of the vortex; thus, you can
see both dimensions.
Billy:
What type of dimension, then, does it concern with the other one?
Semjase:
328. In that dimension, the world is already suspended in the distant
future, but the inhabitants on the Earth of that time very rarely
penetrate from that.
Well done to Shark-mode again for having his own thoughts on the matter, I for one salute him for having the courage of conviction to express these thoughts/ideas irrespective of the fact that they might be quite so challenging for some others. The line of thinking that has been expressed is something that I have been growing into a suspicion of..(that there could be actually something more to this Titor case…and this growing suspicion in developing in a way I must add again to be a surprising thing, to come back to it now and then) but also the added element of the reasoning as to why Billy may not have thought of the (what is to be found in the Titor case…" stationary mass, temporal displacement unit manufactured by General Electric.” as not really measuring up to embody a true ‘Plejaren-standard’ time travel device in the very strict sense…This makes sense as for one thing the Plejarens imo are immense sticklers on a variety of things…they have discounted various fields/practices here on earth on the basis that the science may be a little ‘off’ and so there can be at times this kind of whole sweeping negation as it were, however to my mind debatable enough imho as to whether the science in question was not in fact at least partly use-able if not in whole. {I don’t take anybody’s word as sacrosanct be they Plejaren or not, or even whether or not they may have those extra decades of alleged studiousness, ‘due-diligence’ under their belt! Lol and a bit of lording about on it, but heck ..not to worry too much , a bit of lording about can be an ok thing I suppose now and then, in a Lord Byron kind of way! }
A few links for Titor-defamers in general to ponder on…
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/72244
The coming on stream more so of the Z-machine…which was particularly singled out by Titor as the means to generate the necessary X-rays required by the device overall.
http://phys.org/news11538.html
And finally the aforementioned highly enigmatic cut-away schematic of the time travel device itself…
http://tinyurl.com/oanl5n2
Warning though… to anybody who goes to build and to ‘Test’ this device out, checking to see if it ‘testable’ etc.….without the necessary working ‘Cesium clocks’ coming into play – in the right manner…well I’m afraid that one runs the risk of ending 10 to 20 miles up in the air or worse again…to wind up inside of a mountain ….this as the earth spins away whilst the displacement-unit itself is all fired up and directly itself taking effect!}} |
Pendrake
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Post Number: 19
Registered: 06-2013
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 04:01 pm: |
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BTW…Most have seen no doubt the new analysis of the Beamship , involving the hyper jump ‘hidden in plain sight’ all these years…
Here is the blog from theyfly site about it…
http://theyflyblog.com/mindboggling/01/07/2014
which was great, however I wonder could one actually add to it that – here we have in this instance the first actual celluloid recording of a time-travel leap ever to be in existence?? (Just on the basis that in the info it seems to be a correlation generally between these ‘jumps’ and time leaps as it were. In any case it would give something further for the sceptics to get bothersome/peeved about!
Thus to arrive at the point directly….
When a ship makes a "jump" it is very fast. There is an instant paralysis of the protection screens, a tremendous increase in velocity which creates a enlarging of the mass. This means that this process, which is caused by a mechanical process, happens so quickly, that matter gets distorted within a millionth of a second and becomes fine-matter, which is able to pass through hyper-space. When the small Beamship breaks into hyperspace, this is a form of time travel where time and space become paralyzed. A better way of saying it might be that time and space push against each other, causing a complete standstill of time and space. Just at that point, timelessness and spaceless-ness are passed by at immeasurable speeds in a part of a second, without any shift of time in the real world. In effect, this is time travel in stagnant time, whereby the Beamship appears at its destination at the same time it leaves its starting point. For a brief part of a second, it actually exists at its destination and its starting point at the same instant. This process is nothing more than a technically generated dematerialization and rematerialization process, where no time passes because of shifting or distortion. You could say that this is time travel without any time actually passing, because it happens outside of the timeframe of this coarse-matter dimension.
Link for precise video containing the analysis on where the jump occurs….once again,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8BI-pt3L9I4 |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 945
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 05:57 pm: |
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Hi Blake
Yeah I would have to agree with you Blake
The sense of the present is really the future meeting the past in perpetuity
The concept of time is such a complex subject the more you delve into it.
Where I was coming from in respect to time was in accordance with what Billy and Semjase talked about in that whether you are traveling beyond light speed inside a beamship or live far away in a different part of the universe, the same second just gone past right here and now on earth for a person is also the same second that just went past for a person living elsewhere in the universe.
To give you an analogy I am in China at the moment and the clock indicates 9:01pm so subtracting 16 hour difference from where you are in California would be 5:01am but irrespective of whichever time zone we fall under, a second gone by for me would be a second gone by you simultaneously.
In respect to what you said about the time constant my analogy would be an album full of photos from since the time you were born right up to today put in a linear fashion but only for the person to be able to flip through any page they want or even multiple pages at once.
Having said that I still hold the view that the dominant flow of time is uni-directional with small branches of multi-directional time streams otherwise there will be no birth-becoming-death cycle nor finiteness of time duration for Creation/universe of 155 trillion years times 2 and to think that even time itself would end after the big contraction of this universe indicates to me that time is just like one big room full of smoke and mist permeating everything within it but which will eventually evaporate.
cheers
Matt Lee |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 95
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 06:35 pm: |
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Matt; Again, you've written a well-thought through response(the illustrious "Pendrake" perhaps ought to take a few notes from this! )
Pendrake - the note of studies was NOT written for your levels of understanding, but as a reply to a friend who understands the value of research - even though he/she may have excellent ideas.
ANYONE can read - few understand and comprehend. Some just seem to have a consciousness block - as in blocked from provenance and concept - IMO, as I see only the continuations of Sci-fi imaginations in their words. (previously addressed by many posters)
Cease to assume that these are written 'at you'(Pendrake), and begin to recognize that posters here are addressing many points well-past others "stage" and choice to 'believe'. Without provable testable statements in any 'ideas (sic), - and IMO, for anyone to make such - the postings NOT addressing points logically testable or repeatable = beliefs; are just spent air=filled with CO2 and little usable chemical content.
Titor's stories - are just that=stories for believers. PERIOD. (as are Meier's - excepting that he has given testable, repeated-over-time accounts of activities that have measurable results=scientific process- over the past 50 years that anyone can research)
Even TMI and SRV have testable processes. Many participants-posters-readers herein have already started their own personalized research processes(BEAM's meditation techniques, altered-states training, cosmologically sound excursions and lab-level data logs filled with experiences) We may not all have instant access to phase-shifting devices, beamships or are even fully comprehending the results - we ARE out here processing, and sharing our discoveries with those showing evolution and capacity to use such without harming others.
Those thinking that there are UFO=beamships that are Skunk-works-made that have traveled to Mars, off-planet and appear in the night skies - that might have a possibility of gravitation-repelling wave engines, perhaps dark-minded humans that combine with 'aliens' bent upon human enslavement-scaly insectoids that eat us . . . .  Heinlein, Bradbury and Asimov write better works than Titor. His stories contain excerpts from Meier, Adamski, Berman, 'John Carter', Veliskovski(sp) Tom Swift(Scf-fi stories) - none of which are testable.
Just because logic may hold sway in many posters, does NOT condemn the same to the ignorance of the uninformed minds posting unusable children's stories.
And before anyone 'goes off on' levels of education, remember that this forum is for post-grad research, as-well-as the playground for the uninitiated students.
Though - Titor seems to have provided the backdrop for sifting those who just read to titillate their senses - over those who process. |
Ramirez
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Post Number: 979
Registered: 06-2008
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 07:10 pm: |
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Hi Pendrake,
Regarding this:
"Billy: ................................ Now, according to your statement, I would actually have to exist twice, namely down there on Earth, where I’m going straight to bed, and once here.
Thus, I could now visit myself down there, eh?
Semjase: 225. Sure, if we would now return to the Earth, then you could – theoretically or practically, depending on the case – talk with yourself.
This extract alone raises a few issues I think. One there is the point that surely it is an aspect of Creation that multiple instances of the same spirit-form can be simultaneously existent , that there is no big problem in respect to the question of ‘uniqueness’ – that Creation has a way of handling it somehow. Thus surely to my mind resolving that point at least."
This sort of issue has always bothered me because it indicates a spiritform is able to exist in multiple dimensions simultaneously and if a person enters another dimension it's sorta like "copy" to a file on a computer where an identical file can be created and exist but not in the same folder as the original however if the original's identity is altered even just a bit then it can co-exist with the original.
So maybe by leaving a dimension an identical spiritform comes into being then later dissolves and re-integrates back into the original including out of dimension experiences being incorporated as part of the "spiritform unconscious"
But ..... i have no idea as to how this might work from the perspective of understanding it through laws of physics .... which must exist to accomodate such things if it's accurate.
Example: Billy Meier visiting himself going back 2,000 years.
So the spiritform from the 1970's being different to the one of JC was able to co-exist in the same folder .... seems a crude analogy but it makes sense .... sorta, but without any known physics to back it up.
Cheers.
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Shark_mode
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Wednesday, February 05, 2014 - 09:51 pm: |
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Dear Pendrake,
You my friend are a breath of fresh air to this forum. I too look for credibility, and learn from it. But in the end, when we make a decision or speak or write, we are thinking for ourselves.
To be fair, as long as we are speculating about the Titor case, and how it finds support in the Meier case, I want to present the other side. I too think the Titor diagrams, pictures, explanations, add up to more than "fantasy and rubbish" from a Billy Meier perspective. But to be fair, here are the problems Figu and Billy Meier would have with the John Titor time travel case:
First John Titor is religious. He talks about his faith, "I am a Christian Agnostic (HOST: Did John mean Gnostic?). I do not believe faith alone is enough to get us back to God. I'm not sure what happens when we die but I'm pretty sure it's not a walk in the park."
Remember Figu is on a mission to get humans to think and become self responsible, and give up religion. The last thing Billy wants is to bring attention to the John Titor case when it could draw people away from the truth, to a REAL case -- but to a 'lights-in-the-sky spectacle' that is going nowhere; the JT case although full of great physics ideas for CERN and GE, drives focus away from spirituality and then lands on religion.
Second, you bring up good examples with contact 039, "220. You now live twice, namely once here and once down there on Earth" with regard to multiples as a result of using mini black holes to stir up a localized space to warp through space, space-time, or time and MEET yourself. So according to Figu your future self, for instance, would not have the SAME spirit-form even though they SEEM like the same people. But in my opinion, the reason that it does NOT break the Creational law of unique spirit-forms, is because they really are NOT the same people. One is older and one is younger. They are existing at different vibrations and THEREFORE their spirits would be different vibrations(swinging waves?), identifiable as two different FORMS. Remember the past is happening at the same time the future is happening. So 'everybody' already exists simultaneously anyway, let alone during the times you are meeting yourself!
Third, it is hard enough for people to get their heads around the idea of time travel, and how this really works according to the Meier information, let alone multidimensional warping into a new universe relative to yourself, WITH also the ability to move in TIME in your alternate, parallel, twin, etc. dimension/space-time configuration/universe too. This is all fine and dandy to think about Titor time travel, but from a Figu perspective the first thing the earth humans need to do is shape up themselves and their world. Figu could care less about ANY outside UFO cases it would seem, real or not; the Figu is on a mission to share the wisdom of Billy, the Plejarens, etc., with the people of earth, and John Titor just gets in the way.
And fourth, John Titor claimed that, "You do not rewrite history. I can only affect what happens here just as easily as you can. Why do people in this time period worry so much about time traveler's destroying their worldline when they have no problem doing it themselves every day?" So Titor confirms somewhat how time is set in stone. But keep in mind, according to Titor, he is slipping through another universe to achieve a time travel once inside the new universe. John claims, "Certain types of black holes also exhibit the "time travel" abilities of Tipler cylinders. Kerr was one of the first to describe the dual event horizons of a rotating black hole. As with Tipler's cylinders, it was possible to travel on a "time-like" trip through a Kerr black hole and end up in a different worldline without being squished by the gravity of the singularity."
So the Titor time travel is obviously NOT PURE, certainly according to superior Plejaren technology. It is so impure that a Titor John never gets back home to their original time-space configuration, they hopefully land somewhere really, really close. A parallel dimension with minimal "temporal divergence." And we learn from Figu, Creation has infinite material universes; it comes to reason that anything could exist. You COULD change things on a time travel, but you would NOT be changing YOUR ORIGINAL TIME, just slipping into a parallel universe with the correct divergence WHERE your effected change exists in the multiverse. Or in other words, if you want to get back home to your original timeline, worldline or whatever you want to call it, you CAN'T MESS AROUND TRYING to CHANGE THINGS on your travel. My thinking is that the more a temporal traveler or driver, even at Plejaren technology levels, tries to change the past and even succeed at preventing someone from being born, for instance, the more the driver falls off course and gets lost in a divergent universe. Remember people, this is all just my opinion. I am not claiming any of this is real or that I am right about any of this.
Best regards,
Anthony |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 946
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 07:17 am: |
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Hi Pendrake
Could you please provide some tangible evidence to back Titor's claims that stands up to rigorous scientific standards?
Thanks
Matt Lee |
Blake_p
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Post Number: 176
Registered: 07-2012
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 09:43 am: |
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Votan- yes we have reverse engineered space craft,but not many races have advanced to the point of time travel,so it's more likely that those didn't have time travel capability,and even if they did I'm not sure why people think that we are smart enough to even understand the applications of other races technology completely,and make them work.
Shark mode- I'm not sure how saying that we are lacking in consciousness advocates some sort of god figure representation. The Creation regulates many things, you would not give a child an A.K.,just like I'm sure that certain impulses sent out by the creation advocates a certain level of advancement before conquering certain universal mysteries. And this is Figu material,by the way, was either said by Asket or Semjase,about time travel.I will check and find a reference point for you.
And the Plejaren are millions of years ahead of us spiritually,and it was like 4500 years,before they had partnered with the Sonaer,now they are something like 8 or 9 thousands years ahead of us technologically. |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 948
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 05:12 pm: |
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Hi All
May be it's just me but I just cannot help but come to the inevitable conclusion that there is an agenda to push this Titor 'fantasy rubbish' nonsense here for whatever reason or purpose and it seems some members here have unwittingly fell victim to the line.
The train of conversation has definitely exited away from the spirit of genuine inquiry into a more personal agenda to prove that 'something' even beyond the Titor story which it seems is used as a fodder rather than the means to an end for the truth.
Why would that be I wonder given that this thread is not Titor's Time Travel but Time Travel according to FIGU.
What will it take for some members here to finally come to their senses and say enough is enough instead of stubbornly and quite unwittingly polluting this forum with this concocted and quite deliberately made up garbage about a time traveler who cannot substantiate his claim with proof material and evidence which can hold up to rigorous scientific scrutiny unlike Billy Meier's prolific materials which has.
If time proves that I was the one who ended up being on the wrong side the truth with this Titor story then I will be happy to voluntarily remove myself from this forum for the next 7 years as just punishment for judging falsely but until the unequivocal truth about this Titor case dawns on my fellow forum members and supporters here who voraciously lap up what to me is utter dog crap I will continue to defend the often neglected 'firm stance on truth from logical inquiry'.
Matt Lee |
Shark_mode
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Post Number: 22
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 05:32 pm: |
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Hello Blake,
My bad; you are right about "thousands" of years ahead of us technically. In the movie "Contact" it says 3,500 years. Go to 53:57 in the movie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vzG6B4uEuwA&list=PLOvRtqZCaZQUXww_DKxBKYxhrUjL-3xO-
But the point I was trying to make is that we are closer to the Ps technically than we are spiritually. But keep watching, at 54:38 Wendell Stevens explains that if the earth humans really applied themselves we could do all the Ps do in about 300 years. This is what caused the confusion about the "hundreds" for me.
Best,
Anthony |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 950
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 05:58 pm: |
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Hi Thomas
I think that your effort induced and hard work gained logical thinking powers should serve as a good example for those of us yet to get there including myself.
Cheers to logic
Matt Lee |
Eddieamartin
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Post Number: 569
Registered: 08-2010
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 07:00 pm: |
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As I understand it, the Creation is an immense egg shaped creation.
A tiny fraction of it is our material universe in which we exist.
When this material universe contracts back to it's flea sized form, this Creation will be evolved beyond the need for a material universe. But it is only the tiny material universe which will no longer exist. The egg shaped Creation continues.
Since every aspect of existence is composed of, submerged in and engulfed by the Creation universal consciousness; ...After Billy and Semjase time traveled, upon returning to this actual time ...did the Billy and all the observable to him on Earth below (during the time travel) seize to exist upon returning?
Salome,
Eddie |
Shark_mode
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Post Number: 23
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 07:34 pm: |
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Hello T57,
You say, "Titor's stories - are just that=stories for believers. PERIOD. (as are Meier's - excepting that he has given testable, repeated-over-time accounts of activities that have measurable results=scientific process- over the past 50 years that anyone can research)" I have never claimed anything about the John Titor case being real or a hoax. I have tried to present logical arguments based on similarities I find between the Meier case and the Titor one.
I am NOT BELIEVING anything, my friend. I am taking known information and drawing conclusions based on the circumstances. I have been as specific as I can. I am not some academic, well read scholar, like you, but I'm trying to help the forum, and myself, figure out about time travel. Do I think I'm right? I am just trying to present ideas to think about that I came up with in my own head.
T57, Pendrake is also just trying to examine John Titor along side Billy Meier. He has not claimed anything. Both of us are just trying to show interesting things we discovered, with hopes the forum will bounce back with ideas.
But NO, there is no discussion about John Titor on the Figu forum. This is "fantasy and rubbish"... end of story. And like a religious person holding on to his dogma, you take Billy Meier for his literal word and shut down. You my friend do not want to think about even the POSSIBILITY that anything Pendrake or myself have tried to share about Meier vs. Titor might be worth exploring.
You must think that Billy Meier wants you to shut down and stop thinking about Titor Johns, don't you? Well I got news for you my friend, Billy might be sharing a simplistic view of a particular truth to hide a larger truth because we are not ready. Some people go on and on that Billy and the Ps are hiding the truth, and crop circles are extraterrestrial, for example. Well that may be the case, but Billy has said over, and over again that crop circles are made by earth humans. So there has been much Figu explanations for crop circles for people to read between the lines and discover. But Billy, as far as I know, has ONLY covered Titor on this forum questions--answered thread; and he has not had a contact, bulletin, portal, etc., with more information on Titor, as far as I understand. I may be wrong.
You won't consider Pendrake, but consider this:
” … he [the prophet] is familiar with ruses, tricks and ways unknown to the average mortal. However, such qualities enable him, the rogue and arch-crook in the positive sense of the terms, to twist everything in such a manner that he may be frequently explaining the truth and yet only explain a minute portion of the whole truth, should it be necessary to do so. This could be the case when people are not yet ready to grasp and cope with the all-inclusive truth.” – Billy, Ein Offenes Wort (An Open Word), ©1975/1980/1992"
Cheers!
Anthony |
Votan
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Post Number: 160
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 08:00 pm: |
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To all time does not exist in the spirit world perhaps it only exists in the material world.
Time travel is just bending space.
joe
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Votan
Member
Post Number: 161
Registered: 12-2011
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 07:55 pm: |
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Blake_p
With the speed that Ufos travel I am sure that they can.
Also you would be surprised what the brain is capable of doing once we shake off the material distraction.
joe
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Thomas57
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Post Number: 96
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 11:37 pm: |
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Well, Anthony - that last post was more logical than generally written about Titor.
Still - if there are any images, data points or scientifically stated portions of those who enjoy the Titor story - why not just post them. That way others can see just where you have done your 'due diligence'.
The Forum participants do not attack others - just to make fun or ridicule the posts, mostly they just request that there be SOME semblance of rational thought put into writing - without resorting to the proto-BS of story-tellers.
Leave the fictions for the Fiction rack at the book store. Simply challenging Creation, logical, testable thesis with a post that doesn't represent anything but conjecture - get NOTHING. |
Shark_mode
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Post Number: 25
Registered: 01-2014
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 06:58 am: |
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Hey Newt,
You asked Pendrake, "Could you please provide some tangible evidence to back Titor's claims that stands up to rigorous scientific standards?"
I guess Billy's clues about the energy from "black holes" being the source of the time travel technology is just something to ignore?
Let's switch gears away from John Titor, and his mini black holes, and explore what mainstream science has to say about time travel. Enter professor Ronald Mallett. His experiments to use lasers to create a circulating beam of light to rotate a region of space, is not so different from using gravity wells of black holes to warp a region of space. And since we learn from Einstein that time and space are linked, stirring space, like stirring a cup of coffee in Mallett's example, is also twisting time.
Best regards,
Anthony |
Newinitiation
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Post Number: 951
Registered: 07-2005
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 06:25 pm: |
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Hi Pendrake
If you don't mind me asking what was your previous username or usernames on this forum?
I would urge members here to be more cautious of selecting and then pasting excerpts from Billy's conversations without providing the full context as it inevitably disfigures and heinously mutilates the proper meaning of these texts into blood gore abomination.
Semjase:
212. Sure, I just wanted to explain that to you.
212. Sicher, das wollte ich dir ja gerade erklären.
213. Your way from your house to the contact place, our greeting, and the flight here lasted only 45 minutes.
213. Dein Weg von deinem Haus zum Kontaktort, unsere Begrüssung und der Flug hierher dauerten nur 45 Minuten.
214. You will also need this time for the return.
214. Diese Zeit wirst du auch für die Rückkehr benötigen.
215. Besides this, what you don’t know is that on the flight here from Earth, I leaped about two days into the past.
215. Was du dabei nicht weisst ist das, dass ich auf dem Flug von der Erde hierher um zwei Tage in die Vergangenheit gesprungen bin.
216. You do, indeed, know how easy this is. 216. Du weisst ja, wie leicht das ist.
217. Hence …
217. Daher al...
Billy: Billy:
Girl, now I understand,
I … Mädchen, jetzt verstehe ich, ich ...
Semjase:
218. You don’t understand, because we haven’t done a normal leap into the past.
218. Du verstehst nicht, denn wir haben keinen normalen Vergangenheitssprung getan.
219. It is a time shift that is still unknown to you.
219. Es ist eine Zeitverschiebung, die dir noch unbekannt ist.
220. You now live twice, namely once here and once down there on Earth.
220. Du lebst jetzt nämlich zweimal, nämlich einmal hier und einmal dort unten auf der Erde.
Billy: Billy:
I really don’t understand that now.
Das verstehe ich nun wirklich nicht.
Semjase:
221. Understand yet:
221. Verstehe doch:
222. We do, indeed, live here at present, but we are, at the same time, two days in the past.
222. Wir leben hier wohl gegenwärtig, sind zugleich aber zwei Tage in der Vergangenheit.
223. For us, it is now, indeed, Wednesday, but on Earth, it is now only Monday.
223. Für uns ist jetzt wohl Mittwoch, doch auf der Erde ist jetzt erst Montag.
Simply put they've traveled back into the past full stop.
Just as Billy has met Jmmanuel face to face with his travel to the past, he can also meet himself on any of the days from the time he was born up to the recent past.
Since he and Semjase traveled back in time Billy is definitely not existing simultaneously with his other self in the very present moment.
On a side note and it has finally come a time to say it but back in 2005-2006 or thereabouts Jim Cassidy’s (before he became the other half of Project Camelot) Project Serpo gained a huge following and I think it was because of the effectiveness of partial truth being mixed in with a whole lot of cow poo that this rubbish got a lot of attention.
The techniques of disinformation, misinformation, mis-education, dis-education, propaganda, persuasion, coercion, manipulation, misdirection, decoy, distraction, omission, and brainwashing and so on have been perfected to fine science by the technician and it works most of the time.
Just refer to Edward Bernase, Nazi propaganda machine and the current mass media complex.
The unsuspecting always fall for this kind of crap for some inexplicable reason that is so difficult to understand for me because of the ridiculousness and sheer stupidity of it all.
I mean for God farkleberry sakes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now this Titor story has Project Serpoesque written all over it and it only takes a few scientific type information mixed in with the lies to gain the air of credibility and thus the dirty deed done dirt cheap is pulled off with the help of the gullible and their naivety.
Why oh why do people who should know better continue to keep the conmen of this world still in business with their willful donkey stubborn stupidity and self justified self righteousness that heinously spits and poos on the truth.
I don’t say this out of self-neglect of self awareness and sense of know-it-all superiority over anyone but out of defense of that which is sensible, right, true, valuable and dignified if I may be so blunt and audacious to use such a term.
It makes my blood boil in extreme acidity just thinking about the consequences we are suffering and will continue to suffer as a result of people nourishing the weed of lies with lessons lost on them who should know better by helping to pluck it roots and all.
Matt Lee |
Blake_p
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Post Number: 177
Registered: 07-2012
| | Posted on Friday, February 07, 2014 - 03:01 pm: |
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Shark mode;
Contact 142 Billy and Semjase talk about time travel. |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 97
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 12:53 am: |
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Hey there Anthony;
I 'think' I understand what you are driving at = that open discussion is more important than logics. Perhaps. . . . And this is because I do consider open discussions important. It is important to remember that almost ALL of yours and 'Pendrake's' commentary has been covered here many, many, many times before. Just how many more do you need - to reach a sound conclusion?
The logical reasoning - (which includes ALL that you have questioned and written about + the actual testable materials - including the many time-travel stories told throughout the years) AND BEAM materials; leaves a simple answer. One that is -it seems- IMO, leaves Pdrks and Shrkmd(including the rest of the aliases) the residue of unreasoned, over-thought, over sci-fi written, spurious-thought-based(a basis of thinking that comes from only the fantasy-minded who rarely test, but believe in many fiction theories) conclusions.
For any reading here - to assume that this poster, as well-as many others, haven't performed 'due-diligence', in sifting ALL available, known data, both sci-fi, fiction and testable functions relating to 'time-travel' - is to fall prey to a fantasy mind, that leaves the wearer without much of a stake, to ground themselves to!
ANYONE can write fiction, spurious thoughts, and illogical meanderings of an untrained mind. IMO - Meier wrote his response, even if within the Questions section, to address this simple fact(see above!)
For you, or any other to ASSUME, that those positions have NOT been vetted, is to make the 'ARSE' of themselves. . . . Just because, logically adept posters, - or even perhaps BEAM (whom is included ONLY because his words have CONSISTENTLY followed logical, ACTUALLY tested mechanisms - NOT because of the untestable story of visitations with non-terrestrial personalities) can rapidly arrive at conclusions that are sustained by testable logistics and research - which rarely or NEVER leaves the readers here with any other 'fictional' ways of thinking, that cannot be tested - - - does not excuse those who seek evolution fro doing their own work.
B-t-w; as I write this, I AM smiling(and NOT in any ridiculing mannerisms) due to having 'been-there, done-that'(made the same steps I write against)
As a preventative caution against those who would make greater horrors - without having evolutionary time to properly absorb Creationary laws - those fantasists are NOT told 'how'.
The easiest thing to see, is that those here who WILL NOT make the growth efforts necessary, complain the loudest. It has always been that way for (especially Earth) humans - across the many trillions of years and ruined solar systems, planets, lives and descending harms of evolving consciousness blocks.
Just remember, when any argue for more ignorance(pathways that are not Creationally supportable, illogical or story-telling without testable data), they create that world where they get locked into their own delusions.=Religion!
A sampler: at TMI, the research teams cataloged many 'belief system territories'; a vast sample of materials from many thousands of participants. That material, when absorbed, shows where many minds end up due to untestable theories. Here again, perhaps, is what BEAM pointed to in his answer.
Here's another sampler: E=MC2. Work out the mathematics, and you can easily see how A. Einstein foresaw 'time-space', and its formations, warps, and Einstein-Rosen "bridges".
Titor DOES NOT include ANY testable data, nor propositions that address tachyon particle physics. HIs "twin-blackholes" are sci-fi over-simplifications (comic book material).
How about those herein begin reading materials on Forum topics, utilizing the search functions of the Forum(to quote 'Ferbon'-Bruce-Chris) and actually do something for yourselves, prior to challenging the posters here who USE logic and repeatability?? AND, then post your source data and logical arguments(debate-level data) where all can reason for themselves??
(that was WAY TOO wordy, perhaps a 'stick-the-bear' approach!; overly insensitive and a great way to vent pent-up energy!?!?
BEAM's short answer seems better!) |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 98
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 12:56 am: |
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Pendrake; concerning your Post #18:
I think Oliver Williams has pulled your leg quite a wee bit now! |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 99
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 01:05 am: |
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Hey there Anthony; On your Post #23:
You wrote "
T57, Pendrake is also just trying to examine John Titor along side Billy Meier. He has not claimed anything. Both of us are just trying to show interesting things we discovered, with hopes the forum will bounce back with ideas.
But NO, there is no discussion about John Titor on the Figu forum. This is "fantasy and rubbish"... end of story. And like a religious person holding on to his dogma, you take Billy Meier for his literal word and shut down. You my friend do not want to think about even the POSSIBILITY that anything Pendrake or myself have tried to share about Meier vs. Titor might be worth exploring. "
Please point out just 'Where" I have taken that "religious" POV. Your opinion upon that statement is a broad assumption that is blatantly FALSE. To make such a reference - tells me clearly, you do NOT know me.
If you'll talk with M Horn, perhaps he'll share with you ANOTHER view of my "religious" nature! |
Thomas57
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Post Number: 100
Registered: 12-2009
| | Posted on Saturday, February 08, 2014 - 01:07 am: |
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Hi Joe - Nice to meet you!
"Votan Member
Post Number: 160
Posted on Thursday, February 06, 2014 - 08:00 pm:
To all time does not exist in the spirit world perhaps it only exists in the material world.
Time travel is just bending space.joe"
IMO- I think you have something there(would say more, but only in private emails) |
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